Moderators: jsumali2, richierich, ua900, PanAm_DC10, hOMSaR

 
Someone83
Posts: 5029
Joined: Sun Sep 17, 2006 5:47 pm

RE: Scandinavian Aviation 2012 - Part 3

Tue Jul 10, 2012 8:29 am

Quoting jlarsson (Reply 96):
According to a pressrelease KSD airport will tomorrow present a new airline that will start flying to/from KSD.

It's Norwegian to Las Palmas.

This is in connection with Norwegian establishing a new base in Las Palmas from October 2012.

New routes:
Tromsø, Evenes, Aalesund, Rygge, Haugesund, Karstad, Malmø, Umeå, Oulu and Billund. All with one weekly.

In addition, we will se the following increase in capacity:
OSL: 6x -> 8x weekly
BGO/TRF/TRD/SVG: 1x -> 2x weekly
ARN: 3x -> 4x weekly
CPH: 3x -> 5x weekly
 
jox
Posts: 119
Joined: Fri Jan 03, 2003 3:39 am

RE: Scandinavian Aviation 2012 - Part 3

Tue Jul 10, 2012 6:52 pm

Quoting SKAirbus (Reply 93):
ARN is similar as Sweden has the rules regarding customs. Not sure about Denmark?

Not sure if you did compare ARN to OSL or FRA there... In Sweden, you can do customs clearance at the final destination except a few extremely small ones. Not all airlines and handling agents are using the possibility, though. But if you for example arrive internationally with SK and are continuing with SK domestic, it works fine. You still has to change terminal and do another security check    at T4.
 
Tristarsteve
Posts: 3684
Joined: Tue Nov 22, 2005 11:04 pm

RE: Scandinavian Aviation 2012 - Part 3

Tue Jul 10, 2012 7:17 pm

Quoting jox (Reply 101):
You still has to change terminal and do another security check at T4.

But Swedavia has plans to fix this. Look on their www.arlanda.net site for details.
 
jox
Posts: 119
Joined: Fri Jan 03, 2003 3:39 am

RE: Scandinavian Aviation 2012 - Part 3

Wed Jul 11, 2012 8:29 am

Tristarsteve - can you point to a more exact location where they say that there will be transfer between terminals without the need for new security check? I can see documents describing combined domestic/international within T5, but that is not the same thing (even if that is a good thing by itself!).
 
Someone83
Posts: 5029
Joined: Sun Sep 17, 2006 5:47 pm

RE: Scandinavian Aviation 2012 - Part 3

Wed Jul 11, 2012 10:03 am

Norwegian is starting 2x weekly RYG-AGP and RYG-ALC from Oct 31.
 
g2scandinavia
Posts: 432
Joined: Wed Jun 02, 2010 8:00 am

RE: Scandinavian Aviation 2012 - Part 3

Thu Jul 12, 2012 10:03 am

Quoting sas767 (Reply 25):
Quoting g2scandinavia (Reply 17):Air Canada to increase their winter schedule on Toronto - Copenhagen with one additional weekly flight.

Toronto – Copenhagen eff 07JAN13 Service increases from 3 to 4 weekly (Additional flights also operating from 16DEC12 to 30DEC12 during Christmas/New Year)

http://airlineroute.net/2012/06/06/a...ate1/
Due to solid performance of the route and to fill the gap after United:

http://cphtraveller.dk/nyheder/air-c...ronto

Air Canada shrinks its planned increase to 4 daily W12/13

Toronto – Copenhagen Planned 4th weekly service will not operate from 17DEC12 to 01JAN13, and from 18FEB13. Previously the airline planned to increase service from 17DEC12 (which includes Jan/Feb 2013)
AC882 YYZ2055 – 1045+1CPH 763 246
AC883 CPH1215 – 1450YYZ 763 357

http://airlineroute.net/2012/07/12/ac-w12update3/
 
cityairline
Posts: 673
Joined: Wed Nov 30, 2005 12:29 am

RE: Scandinavian Aviation 2012 - Part 3

Thu Jul 12, 2012 10:16 am

Starting October 30, Norwegian is launching GOT-ALC twice weekly, giving Ryanair some competition on GSE-ALC on their five weekly during summer (even daily in July).

At the same time, Norwegian is also increasing GOT-AGP from one to two weekly during winter.

/Alex
I don't fly to live, I live to fly...
 
Someone83
Posts: 5029
Joined: Sun Sep 17, 2006 5:47 pm

RE: Scandinavian Aviation 2012 - Part 3

Wed Jul 18, 2012 6:19 pm

SE-REU, SAS next (and 23rd) 737-700 has been spottet in SAS colours in China and is expected to AEN in about a month. The aircraft is an ex Virgin Australia aircraft
 
g2scandinavia
Posts: 432
Joined: Wed Jun 02, 2010 8:00 am

RE: Scandinavian Aviation 2012 - Part 3

Wed Jul 18, 2012 7:20 pm

Qatar Airways to increase to daily from OSL JAN13.

QR953 DOH-OSL 0800 - 1330 1357
QR954 OSL-DOH 1500 - 2325 1357

QR955 DOH-OSL 0125 - 0655 246
QR956 OSL-DOH 1055 - 1920 246

Airbus 330-200/300 to operate.
 
Ideekay
Posts: 277
Joined: Sun Jun 17, 2012 8:18 pm

RE: Scandinavian Aviation 2012 - Part 3

Wed Jul 18, 2012 7:47 pm

Norwegian opens the following new route:

OUL-LPA (Once per week, starting at 31.10.2012)

Than they are updating the Routes:

HEL-AGP (Now 4 times a week)
and
HEL-ALC (They will fly it now the whole year)


All flights are operated by Boeing 737-800

[Edited 2012-07-18 12:48:22]
 
sas767
Posts: 403
Joined: Tue Dec 14, 1999 4:08 am

RE: Scandinavian Aviation 2012 - Part 3

Wed Jul 18, 2012 8:13 pm

Quoting g2scandinavia (Reply 108):
Qatar Airways to increase to daily from OSL JAN13.

QR953 DOH-OSL 0800 - 1330 1357
QR954 OSL-DOH 1500 - 2325 1357

QR955 DOH-OSL 0125 - 0655 246
QR956 OSL-DOH 1055 - 1920 246

Airbus 330-200/300 to operate.

What took them so long......... But good for OSL now when they have been put on ice by EK.
 
Someone83
Posts: 5029
Joined: Sun Sep 17, 2006 5:47 pm

RE: Scandinavian Aviation 2012 - Part 3

Wed Jul 18, 2012 8:46 pm

Current plans for the withdrawal of SAS MD-80 and 737-Classic fleet:

MD-87: last aircraft to leave 20sep2012
MD-82 last aircraft to leave aug2014
737-400: last aircraft to leave sep2014
737-500: last aircraft to leave jul2014

Note that all dates are subject to change
 
EBGflyer
Posts: 637
Joined: Thu Sep 14, 2006 5:05 pm

RE: Scandinavian Aviation 2012 - Part 3

Thu Jul 19, 2012 6:44 am

Gulf Air since 01JUL12 has introduced Premium-Airbus A320 aircraft to its Bahrain – Copenhagen daily operation, 3 months earlier than planned. The airline previously planned to operate A320 aircraft on this route from 01OCT12.

Existing schedule:

GF027 BAH0140 – 0700CPH 320 x256
GF033 BAH1015 – 1535CPH 320 256

GF026 CPH1115 – 1815BAH 320 x256
GF032 CPH1635 – 2335BAH 320 256

More about it here:
http://cphtraveller.dk/nyheder/gulf-...obenhavns-lufthavn-med-airbus-a320

A bit of an increase in capacity. I wonder if they can stay in this game with hard competition from EK and QR. I do like their early morning arrivals into CPH at 7am. Makes it possible to actually have a normal workday.
Future flights: CPH-BOS; CPH-SVG; CPH-PVG-HKG-MNL-DVO; CPH-CDG; CPH-NRT; CPH-MIA; CPH-PVG
 
SKAirbus
Posts: 1545
Joined: Sat Oct 27, 2007 9:18 pm

RE: Scandinavian Aviation 2012 - Part 3

Thu Jul 19, 2012 10:44 am

Saw this on Aviation Herald regarding a DY 738 rejected take off at AAL. Pretty short runway so I guess it must have been in the early stages of the take off roll?

"A Norwegian Air Shuttle Boeing 737-800, registration LN-DYE performing flight DY-1338 from Aalesund (Norway) to London Gatwick,EN (UK), rejected takeoff from Aaelsund after the crew observed a number of birds, one or two of which impacted the aircraft. The aircraft slowed safely and returned to the apron.

Following examination the aircraft was able to depart again about 4 hours later and reached London with a delay of 3:45 hours.

The airline confirmed one or two birds impacted the aircraft".

Also, can they fill a 738 from AAL to LGW?? Surprises me they don't use the 733 on this route.
Base: BRU
 
Someone83
Posts: 5029
Joined: Sun Sep 17, 2006 5:47 pm

RE: Scandinavian Aviation 2012 - Part 3

Thu Jul 19, 2012 6:44 pm

Btw: Aalesund = AES. AAL = Aalborg  

Seems to be another delay prone day for Norwegian travellers. Thanks too Avinor's incompetence ther is a shortage of ATC staff, which especially during summer weekends is being felt
 
Someone83
Posts: 5029
Joined: Sun Sep 17, 2006 5:47 pm

RE: Scandinavian Aviation 2012 - Part 3

Thu Jul 19, 2012 7:16 pm

Quoting g2scandinavia (Reply 108):
Qatar Airways to increase to daily from OSL JAN13.

QR953 DOH-OSL 0800 - 1330 1357
QR954 OSL-DOH 1500 - 2325 1357

QR955 DOH-OSL 0125 - 0655 246
QR956 OSL-DOH 1055 - 1920 246

Airbus 330-200/300 to operate.


Airlineroutes.net claims 9x weekly. Who's right?

http://airlineroute.net/2012/07/19/qr-europe-w12/
 
cityairline
Posts: 673
Joined: Wed Nov 30, 2005 12:29 am

RE: Scandinavian Aviation 2012 - Part 3

Thu Jul 19, 2012 8:18 pm

Quoting someone83 (Reply 115):
Airlineroutes.net claims 9x weekly. Who's right?

According to their own booking system, 9 weekly is what's happening!

/Alex
I don't fly to live, I live to fly...
 
g2scandinavia
Posts: 432
Joined: Wed Jun 02, 2010 8:00 am

RE: Scandinavian Aviation 2012 - Part 3

Thu Jul 19, 2012 8:23 pm

The general impression of all potential IC services are that they all are on hold untill Norwegian reveal their plans.

Quoting someone83 (Reply 115):
Quoting someone83 (Reply 115):
Quoting g2scandinavia (Reply 108):Qatar Airways to increase to daily from OSL JAN13.

QR953 DOH-OSL 0800 - 1330 1357
QR954 OSL-DOH 1500 - 2325 1357

QR955 DOH-OSL 0125 - 0655 246
QR956 OSL-DOH 1055 - 1920 246

Airbus 330-200/300 to operate.


Airlineroutes.net claims 9x weekly. Who's right?

http://airlineroute.net/2012/07/19/q...-w12/

They did apply for 9 weekly for W12/13, however everyone thought it was to secure slots for flying in on different banks to Doha when increasing to daily flights. Rumors of 9 weekly have been around since the release of the slots list and it seems firm with the 9 weekly flight now uploaded. I guess OSL will be formally informed within the next few days.


Qatar airways are doing extraordinary well from OSL. The benchmarking of their OSL service that I've been presented with are very pleasant reading. Especially the numbers of business travelers are far over their expectations along with a fully loaded cargo belly on every flight. Qatar are aiming for 14 weekly from OSL. This has been the strategy from the introduction of the service.

[Edited 2012-07-19 13:29:19]
 
arn777
Posts: 189
Joined: Tue Jul 13, 2010 9:47 am

RE: Scandinavian Aviation 2012 - Part 3

Fri Jul 20, 2012 8:14 am

Quoting someone83 (Reply 115):
Airlineroutes.net claims 9x weekly

That is quite an expantion in under 15 months. QR must preform good at OSL.
 
EBGflyer
Posts: 637
Joined: Thu Sep 14, 2006 5:05 pm

RE: Scandinavian Aviation 2012 - Part 3

Fri Jul 20, 2012 12:25 pm

Quoting g2scandinavia (Reply 117):
9 weekly flight now uploaded. I guess OSL will be formally informed within the next few days.


Qatar airways are doing extraordinary well from OSL. The benchmarking of their OSL service that I've been presented with are very pleasant reading. Especially the numbers of business travelers are far over their expectations along with a fully loaded cargo belly on every flight. Qatar are aiming for 14 weekly from OSL. This has been the strategy from the introduction of the service.

Makes sense. The other MEA carriers have been too slow at getting to the buffet at OSL and increased frequencies will consolidate the QR presence. Probably only a well known brand like Emirates could break into that succesfully.
Future flights: CPH-BOS; CPH-SVG; CPH-PVG-HKG-MNL-DVO; CPH-CDG; CPH-NRT; CPH-MIA; CPH-PVG
 
SKAirbus
Posts: 1545
Joined: Sat Oct 27, 2007 9:18 pm

RE: Scandinavian Aviation 2012 - Part 3

Fri Jul 20, 2012 2:12 pm

Quoting g2scandinavia (Reply 117):
Qatar airways are doing extraordinary well from OSL. The benchmarking of their OSL service that I've been presented with are very pleasant reading. Especially the numbers of business travelers are far over their expectations along with a fully loaded cargo belly on every flight. Qatar are aiming for 14 weekly from OSL. This has been the strategy from the introduction of the service.

I wonder when QR will start sending bigger aircraft like the 77W or 346 to OSL.

Quoting EBGflyer (Reply 119):
Makes sense. The other MEA carriers have been too slow at getting to the buffet at OSL and increased frequencies will consolidate the QR presence. Probably only a well known brand like Emirates could break into that succesfully.

I wouldn't be surprised if EK announced OSL soon with a 332 upgauging to a 777 later on.
Base: BRU
 
Someone83
Posts: 5029
Joined: Sun Sep 17, 2006 5:47 pm

RE: Scandinavian Aviation 2012 - Part 3

Fri Jul 20, 2012 3:14 pm

Quoting someone83 (Reply 111):
Current plans for the withdrawal of SAS MD-80 and 737-Classic fleet:

MD-87: last aircraft to leave 20sep2012
MD-82 last aircraft to leave aug2014
737-400: last aircraft to leave sep2014
737-500: last aircraft to leave jul2014

Note that all dates are subject to change

Some more details here:

- 9 MDs are planned to leave the fleet in 2013, the rest in 2014
- One -400 will leave each year 2012, 2013 and 2014 (leases expires)
- two -500 to leave in 2012, and three in 2013 and the twp remaining in 2014
- Next new -800 to be delivered in December 2012, with more to follow in 2013/2014
- Not sure when next used -700 (after SE-REU next month) will be delivered, or first A320
 
jox
Posts: 119
Joined: Fri Jan 03, 2003 3:39 am

RE: Scandinavian Aviation 2012 - Part 3

Fri Jul 20, 2012 6:41 pm

I haven't seen this mentioned here earlier; SAS is going to fly NRT-KRN (!) 4 times this winter. SK 984 will make a stop in Kiruna before continuing to CPH.

Source; Local press here and http://airlineroute.net/2012/07/16/sk-tyokrn-dec12/
According to the local press, the flights are more or less fully booked already by Japanese travel agencies.
 
Oykie
Posts: 1988
Joined: Sat Jan 07, 2006 9:21 am

RE: Scandinavian Aviation 2012 - Part 3

Sat Jul 21, 2012 10:29 am

Quoting someone83 (Reply 83):
Norwegian is starting several routes to Las Palmas the coming winter with flights from TOS, EVE, AES, HAU, RYG and BLL. All with 1x weekly flights

And now two weeks later your info starts being found on international sites as well  http://atwonline.com/airports-routes...ches-10-new-las-palmas-routes-0720

Quote:
Norwegian launches 10 new Las Palmas routes

Norwegian (DY) is increasing its presence in Las Palmas (LPA), Canary Island, from the end of October/early November.

The carrier will launch one weekly service to LPA from the Norway cities of Alesund, Evenes, Haugesund, Rygge and Tromso. From Sweden, DY will launch new LPA routes from Karlstad, Malmo and Umea. In addition, DY will launch weekly flights to LPA from Billund/Denmark and Oulu/Finland.

DY is also increasing service from 2X-weekly to 3X-weekly on LPA routes from Torp, Bergen, Trondheim and Stavanger. DY will increase its Oslo-LPA service to 8X-weekly; Stockholm Arlanda-LPA service from 3X-weekly to 4X-weekly; and Copenhagen-LPA service from 3X-weekly to 5X-weekly.

Also in the international press today,

West Atlantic looks at different fleet replacements.

Quote:
West Atlantic mulls different fleet replacement route

West Atlantic, Europe’s largest regional cargo airline, is looking at taking more Boeing 737s as it seeks to renew its fleet.

http://atwonline.com/aircraft-engine...erent-fleet-replacement-route-0720

Quoting EBGflyer (Reply 112):
Gulf Air since 01JUL12 has introduced Premium-Airbus A320 aircraft to its Bahrain – Copenhagen daily operation, 3 months earlier than planned.

How often do they need a fuel diversion with the A320 flying such a long sector? Do they have extra fuel tanks?

Quoting SKAirbus (Reply 120):
I wonder when QR will start sending bigger aircraft like the 77W or 346 to OSL.

I wonder about that my self. It was nice seeing the A340-500 from Thai. The A346 and 77W would of course be a welcomed sight for us plane spotters. Not that I dislike the A332. I really like that in the QR livery.
Dream no small dream; it lacks magic. Dream large, then go make that dream real - Donald Douglas
 
co38
Posts: 90
Joined: Wed May 27, 2009 9:32 am

RE: Scandinavian Aviation 2012 - Part 3

Sat Jul 21, 2012 10:38 pm

Quoting g2scandinavia (Reply 117):
along with a fully loaded cargo belly on every flight.

What kind of cargo would that be?
Mostly salmon I guess(?)

But with the amount of salmon exported from Norway, one would think that would help attract more Inter Continental (passenger) flights to destinations that has a market for Norwegian fish. Like Japan, Korea, Miami(?) etc.
Since that would lower the number of passengers needed to make the flights profitable.

Does anyone know how much the airlines earn per ton of freight (i.e salmon) hauled ?
 
Someone83
Posts: 5029
Joined: Sun Sep 17, 2006 5:47 pm

RE: Scandinavian Aviation 2012 - Part 3

Mon Jul 23, 2012 6:46 pm

http://m.estonian-air.ee/en/about-us...ies-in-the-coming-winter-schedule/

Estonian is to start a 4x weekly TLL-GOT service from February 1 2013
 
g2scandinavia
Posts: 432
Joined: Wed Jun 02, 2010 8:00 am

RE: Scandinavian Aviation 2012 - Part 3

Mon Jul 23, 2012 8:26 pm

Quoting SKAirbus (Reply 120):
I wonder when QR will start sending bigger aircraft like the 77W or 346 to OSL.

The 9 weekly are still not confirmed by Qatar, just uploaded into the system. Until OSL receives a formal confirmation of the two additional flights, it could be an error.

As a mention earlier, Qatar aims to reach 14 weekly flights from OSL rather than upgrading capacity to a larger aircraft's (more connections). That would mean 330 and 787 type of material rather than the 777.
 
sas767
Posts: 403
Joined: Tue Dec 14, 1999 4:08 am

RE: Scandinavian Aviation 2012 - Part 3

Tue Jul 24, 2012 6:32 am

And it was an error. QR now loaded with daily flights from OSL instead of 9x weekly. It means that QR will fly daily to all of the three Scandinavian capitals from 01 JAN 2013 with a mix of A332/333.
 
EBGflyer
Posts: 637
Joined: Thu Sep 14, 2006 5:05 pm

RE: Scandinavian Aviation 2012 - Part 3

Tue Jul 24, 2012 6:42 am

Quoting sas767 (Reply 127):
And it was an error.

Not sure it was an error, but it has been revised at least. From airlineroutes.

QATAR Airways Revises Planned Oslo Service Increase from Jan 2013
by JL
Update at 2050GMT 23JUL12

As per 23JUL12 GDS timetable and inventory display, QATAR Airways has updated its schedule, which now sees Doha – Oslo service increase from 5 weekly to daily from 01JAN13. Previously the system was showing increase to 9 weekly and all flights accepting for reservation.

Despite the change, the airline retains its plan to split operation into two banks, providing additional options to other destinations.

Schedule:

QR955 DOH0125 – 0655OSL 332 246
QR953 DOH0800 – 1330OSL 332 x246

QR956 OSL1100 – 1925DOH 332 246
QR954 OSL1500 – 2325DOH 332 x24
Future flights: CPH-BOS; CPH-SVG; CPH-PVG-HKG-MNL-DVO; CPH-CDG; CPH-NRT; CPH-MIA; CPH-PVG
 
g2scandinavia
Posts: 432
Joined: Wed Jun 02, 2010 8:00 am

RE: Scandinavian Aviation 2012 - Part 3

Fri Jul 27, 2012 12:19 pm

Quoting g2scandinavia (Reply 230):

Asiana cargo will operate their GOT service from OSL this summer. A temporary operation lasting 3 weeks due to maintenance work at GOT. This flight is usually packed with freight from Norway (mainly fish) lorried down from the west coast of Norway. Lower operating costs @ GOT (including the cost of transportation out of Norway) has been the main reason for the freighter service to operate from Sweden. Asiana are not able to gain launch support from OSL as Korean are already operating a service to Seoul. Add to that, GOT has very competitive incentives for freighter services.

Therefore I'm glad to See Asiana @ OSL this summer and hopefully their temporary presence would bring the nonsense pricing incentives of AVINOR up for discussion!
Quoting MillwallSean (Reply 231):
There is one company in GOT that books more than a fair bit on that freighter that wouldnt use Asiana anymore if they moved their base to OSL. A company whose products are a lot mroe important for Asiana and a lot more heavy than fish.
They are the reason Asiana flies to GOT and Asiana isnt flying to GOT for Norweigian fish. Better keep that straight.

Add on that this company has a rather large base in South Korea with a huge production facility where Asiana has freight contracts.
The likelihood of Asiana cargo moving feels very very slim...
Quoting g2scandinavia (Reply 232):

Well I've recently been involved in a process in regards to Asiana and another cargo operator, so we obviously share some different information here That being said, my post said nothing about a suspension of GOT, but a swift of capacity to carry out fish directly from OSL with Asiana. Fish are also send with Asiana from other airports than GOT.

Asiana will unfortunately terminate GOT from the middle of September. Asiana will instead move all operations to OSL with the first flight beginning 20.september. Asiana will serve OSL twice weekly on Tuesdays and Fridays.

Asiana accepts almost 40% higher operational cost than @ GOT when they now move to their operations to OSL.
That's a great acceptance of the potential fright yield from OSL! Since Korean already are serving OSL - Seoul, Asiana will not receive reduced fees for the first 3 years of operations.

Press-release due next week.
 
EIDL
Posts: 889
Joined: Wed Apr 25, 2012 7:11 pm

RE: Scandinavian Aviation 2012 - Part 3

Fri Jul 27, 2012 4:58 pm

Have "the new" Cimber started their flights yet? Booked on CPH-BLL-CPH in late September/early October which is SK to be operated by QI. Probably the first time I've booked flights on an airline that I'm not sure actually exists in reality yet...
 
User avatar
larshjort
Posts: 1445
Joined: Wed Dec 19, 2007 6:54 pm

RE: Scandinavian Aviation 2012 - Part 3

Fri Jul 27, 2012 5:01 pm

Quoting EIDL (Reply 130):
Have "the new" Cimber started their flights yet? Booked on CPH-BLL-CPH in late September/early October which is SK to be operated by QI. Probably the first time I've booked flights on an airline that I'm not sure actually exists in reality yet...

Yes, they took over the operations started by the "konkursbo" on May 5th.

/Lars
139, 306, 319, 320, 321, 332, 34A, AN2, AT4, AT5, AT7, 733, 735, 73G, 738, 739, 146, AR1, BH2, CN1, CR2, DH1, DH3, DH4,
 
g2scandinavia
Posts: 432
Joined: Wed Jun 02, 2010 8:00 am

RE: Scandinavian Aviation 2012 - Part 3

Mon Jul 30, 2012 10:06 am

Air France will open a new service to Gothenburg from Lyon from september, replacing City airline (Skyways).

AIRFRANCE from 17SEP12 introduces Lyon – Gothenburg service, with 6 weekly operations on board Embraer ERJ145 aircraft.

Schedule:

AF3224 LYS1500 – 1725GOT ER4 5
AF3224 LYS1730 – 1955GOT ER4 x56

AF3225 GOT1800 – 2030LYS ER4 5
AF3225 GOT2030 – 2300LYS ER4 x56

http://airlineroute.net/2012/07/30/af-lysgot-sep12/
 
Someone83
Posts: 5029
Joined: Sun Sep 17, 2006 5:47 pm

RE: Scandinavian Aviation 2012 - Part 3

Tue Aug 07, 2012 7:04 am

Norwegian flew 1,82 million passengers in July up 14%

RPK: +15%
ASK: +18%
Load factor: 87% -2pp

Punctuality was down to 78,8% due to ATC issues in Norway
http://www.newsweb.no/newsweb/attach...ffic%20Jul%202012.pdf&attId=102180
 
g2scandinavia
Posts: 432
Joined: Wed Jun 02, 2010 8:00 am

RE: Scandinavian Aviation 2012 - Part 3

Mon Aug 13, 2012 6:29 am

July traffic numbers for the 3 largest airports.

Quoting g2scandinavia (Reply 129):
Asiana will unfortunately terminate GOT from the middle of September. Asiana will instead move all operations to OSL with the first flight beginning 20.september. Asiana will serve OSL twice weekly on Tuesdays and Fridays.

Asiana Cargo have today announced OSL as their new european destination.
First flight will be friday 7.sept.

More info presented @ newstodate.aero
 
Someone83
Posts: 5029
Joined: Sun Sep 17, 2006 5:47 pm

RE: Scandinavian Aviation 2012 - Part 3

Mon Aug 13, 2012 6:48 am

Quoting g2scandinavia (Reply 134):

July traffic numbers for the 3 largest airports

Forgot the numbers?  

CPH: 2.313.542 +1,3%

International: 2.188.360 +4,1%
Domestic: 125.182 -31,1%

Transfer +6,4%, international transfer up, domestic down. Collapse in domestic trafikk due to Cimber-Sterling bankruptcy. Oslo, Frankfurt and Berlin increases mot of top 10 routes, while Aalborg, Amsterdam and London are the biggest loosers

OSL: 2.072.534, +5,0%
International: 1.315.465, +6,2%
Domestic: 757.069, +3,1%

Copenhagrn and Tromsø biggest gainers of top 10 routes with 11% growth, while London, Trondheim and Stockholm all has a small decline

ARN: 1.719.042 +2,5%
International: 1.433.903 +3%
Domestic: 285.139 -1%
 
g2scandinavia
Posts: 432
Joined: Wed Jun 02, 2010 8:00 am

RE: Scandinavian Aviation 2012 - Part 3

Mon Aug 13, 2012 7:01 am

Quoting someone83 (Reply 135):
Forgot the numbers?

Haha, must be a hangup form a previous attempt of a post last week.
Thanks for correcting 
 
User avatar
CPHFF
Posts: 220
Joined: Fri Aug 19, 2011 11:03 am

RE: Scandinavian Aviation 2012 - Part 3

Thu Aug 16, 2012 10:48 am

It's gotten very quiet in this forum. I guess most are still on holiday, and the wives won't let you log in?  


So what are you thoughts on SK's financial report last week?

I'm bewildered as to the fact that approximately 10 Billion SEK (900 MEURO) in Pension commitments have "been hidden", and must be levied directly towards their operating result in 2013. This seriously hamperes their cash flow as well as dramatically reduces their funds. I know that many on here would like nothing better than for SK do go bankrupt, but I for one love SAS, but their operationg costs are still way to high.

There's a lot of speculation (especially in Swedish newspapers) that the Governments of Norway, Denmark and Sweden will have to inject more cash in to the airline within the next 18 Months, unless the situation improves drastically. I'm not familiar with the "type of cash injection" they are talking about, but wouldn't this border on "State Subsidy" and thus illegal in the EU?

Cheers,

Per
If it weren't for UAW, Detroit would shine!
 
User avatar
teme82
Posts: 1349
Joined: Fri Mar 23, 2007 6:38 am

RE: Scandinavian Aviation 2012 - Part 3

Thu Aug 16, 2012 11:25 am

Quoting CPHFF (Reply 137):
but wouldn't this border on "State Subsidy" and thus illegal in the EU?

Yes it would. And guess who is the loudest voice to complain about it  

AY!
Flying high and low
 
LN-KGL
Posts: 822
Joined: Sun Sep 12, 1999 6:40 am

RE: Scandinavian Aviation 2012 - Part 3

Thu Aug 16, 2012 10:25 pm

I just want to show you what has happened the last year with the regards to changes in passenger growth.

 
EBGflyer
Posts: 637
Joined: Thu Sep 14, 2006 5:05 pm

RE: Scandinavian Aviation 2012 - Part 3

Fri Aug 17, 2012 9:34 am

Quoting LN-KGL (Reply 139):
I just want to show you what has happened the last year with the regards to changes in passenger growth.

OK, so the graph shows passenger growth. How does that correspond to the million passenger designation on the vertical axis? or is it percent? or accumulated passengers in a 12 month period? Looking at CPH they had an increase of 250.000 pax from Juli 2011 including June 2012. However, that doesn't correspond to the blue line (which is around 750.000).
Future flights: CPH-BOS; CPH-SVG; CPH-PVG-HKG-MNL-DVO; CPH-CDG; CPH-NRT; CPH-MIA; CPH-PVG
 
LN-KGL
Posts: 822
Joined: Sun Sep 12, 1999 6:40 am

RE: Scandinavian Aviation 2012 - Part 3

Fri Aug 17, 2012 10:35 am

As it says in the heading of the graph - 12 months growth
CPH had in 12 months leading up to the end of July 2011 22,474,942 passengers and this year it was 23,209,643. In other words the growth in one year was +734,701 passengers at the end of July this year for CPH. The comparable growth number ARN was +1,135,900 passengers and for OSL +1,262,850 passengers.
 
Someone83
Posts: 5029
Joined: Sun Sep 17, 2006 5:47 pm

RE: Scandinavian Aviation 2012 - Part 3

Sun Aug 19, 2012 9:26 am

Some fleet news this week:

Another (used) 737-700 to SAS was ferried to PVG for modification into SAS standard. The aircraft in LN1226/CN33418 and is formed VH-VBO with Virgin Australia. To become SE-REX, but not sure when expected in traffic

While in Renton, two new -800s to Norwegian had their first flights this week: LN-NGC (LN4157/CN39016) and LN-NGD (LN4161/CN39049) and should both be delivered within a few weeks
 
User avatar
Kiwirob
Posts: 13236
Joined: Mon Jun 13, 2005 2:16 pm

RE: Scandinavian Aviation 2012 - Part 3

Sun Aug 19, 2012 9:40 am

I think it's about time SAS did something with the Scandinavian lounges at CPH, ARN and OSL they are all beginning to show their age and are falling well behind the accepted standard for *Gold lounges.
 
CXfirst
Posts: 3022
Joined: Tue Jan 30, 2007 8:13 pm

RE: Scandinavian Aviation 2012 - Part 3

Sun Aug 19, 2012 9:50 am

Quoting KiwiRob (Reply 143):

I think it's about time SAS did something with the Scandinavian lounges at CPH, ARN and OSL

I don't think it is too bad (at least in OSL), there are many other *G lounges around the world that are worse. But, they might have a good opportunity to do something about it in OSL with the new pier being built.

Personally, I would rather have the same standard of lounge, but access to it from domestic as well, hopefully the new pier can have a lounge with access for both.

-CXfirst
 
User avatar
Kiwirob
Posts: 13236
Joined: Mon Jun 13, 2005 2:16 pm

RE: Scandinavian Aviation 2012 - Part 3

Sun Aug 19, 2012 5:58 pm

I was in the Turkish lounge in Istanbul a couple of weeks ago, it is outstanding, excellent food, fine selection of beverages, friendly attentive staff, I'm not expecting something like this but SAS could at least match the LH Senator lounges.
 
User avatar
CPHFF
Posts: 220
Joined: Fri Aug 19, 2011 11:03 am

RE: Scandinavian Aviation 2012 - Part 3

Mon Aug 20, 2012 12:45 pm

Just out of curiousity, what is the difference between the SK Business Lounge and The Scandinavian Lounge at CPH?
I've been to the Business Lounge several times, but never in the "upstairs"
If it weren't for UAW, Detroit would shine!
 
CXfirst
Posts: 3022
Joined: Tue Jan 30, 2007 8:13 pm

RE: Scandinavian Aviation 2012 - Part 3

Mon Aug 20, 2012 12:52 pm

Quoting KiwiRob (Reply 145):

I was in the Turkish lounge in Istanbul a couple of weeks ago, it is outstanding, excellent food, fine selection of beverages, friendly attentive staff, I'm not expecting something like this but SAS could at least match the LH Senator lounges.

I know, but that one is world class. As for SK lounges, I think SK have other things to spend their money on, but given the opportunity (ie new pier at OSL), they should develop something world class.

Don't get me wrong, SK lounges aren't outstanding, but they're not too bad either, and look quite Scandinavian, which I like.

Quoting CPHFF (Reply 146):
Just out of curiousity, what is the difference between the SK Business Lounge and The Scandinavian Lounge at CPH?
I've been to the Business Lounge several times, but never in the "upstairs"

As far as I know, SK business lounge is for business class passengers, while Scandinavian Lounge is one-up, for gold card (including *G) members. It's a bit like LH, they have business class and senator lounges, where senator is for First class and gold card members (although, obviously SK doesn't have first class).

-CXfirst
 
User avatar
Kiwirob
Posts: 13236
Joined: Mon Jun 13, 2005 2:16 pm

RE: Scandinavian Aviation 2012 - Part 3

Tue Aug 21, 2012 5:37 am

Quoting CPHFF (Reply 146):
Just out of curiousity, what is the difference between the SK Business Lounge and The Scandinavian Lounge at CPH?
I've been to the Business Lounge several times, but never in the "upstairs"

Very little, most of the food and drink selection is the same, in the Scandinavian lounge they have hotdogs on Fridays, the Business lounge doesn't get them.

Quoting CXfirst (Reply 147):

Don't get me wrong, SK lounges aren't outstanding, but they're not too bad either, and look quite Scandinavian, which I like.

There's nothing wrong with the look, it's just the content that's lacking

Quoting CXfirst (Reply 147):
I think SK have other things to spend their money on, but given the opportunity (ie new pier at OSL), they should develop something world class.

I haven't read anything about and lounge developments in the new terminal, I would love it if domestic passengers also had access, unless the govt drops it's unethical stance on earning ffp on domestic services that's not going to happen.
 
Someone83
Posts: 5029
Joined: Sun Sep 17, 2006 5:47 pm

RE: Scandinavian Aviation 2012 - Part 3

Tue Aug 21, 2012 1:44 pm

SE-DIB, another MD-87 from SAS (and ex Spanair) left yesterday for part out and scrap to IGM. While today, SE-REU, another used 737-700 on lease from GECAS arrived at ARN for some last modification before being placed in SAS traffic

Popular Searches On Airliners.net

Top Photos of Last:   24 Hours  •  48 Hours  •  7 Days  •  30 Days  •  180 Days  •  365 Days  •  All Time

Military Aircraft Every type from fighters to helicopters from air forces around the globe

Classic Airliners Props and jets from the good old days

Flight Decks Views from inside the cockpit

Aircraft Cabins Passenger cabin shots showing seat arrangements as well as cargo aircraft interior

Cargo Aircraft Pictures of great freighter aircraft

Government Aircraft Aircraft flying government officials

Helicopters Our large helicopter section. Both military and civil versions

Blimps / Airships Everything from the Goodyear blimp to the Zeppelin

Night Photos Beautiful shots taken while the sun is below the horizon

Accidents Accident, incident and crash related photos

Air to Air Photos taken by airborne photographers of airborne aircraft

Special Paint Schemes Aircraft painted in beautiful and original liveries

Airport Overviews Airport overviews from the air or ground

Tails and Winglets Tail and Winglet closeups with beautiful airline logos