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Passenger Plane Crash In Lagos; 150 Pass

Sun Jun 03, 2012 3:49 pm

Just saw this on the wire and not posted yet but a plane has crashed in Lagos

A Dana Air flight was heading from Lagos to Abuja in Nigeria crashed into a building, casualty numbers unknown,

Other news reports indicate at least 150 onboard the flight.

Terrible pics: http://www.rt.com/news/passenger-plane-crash-lagos-881/

http://wtop.com/220/2395450/Passenge...e-crashes-in-Nigerias-largest-city



Hoping for the best, but does not look good. Anyone have any more information?

[Edited 2012-06-03 08:52:54]

[Edited 2012-06-03 09:01:59]
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RE: Passenger Plane Crash In Lagos; 150 Pass

Sun Jun 03, 2012 3:54 pm

Oh god, I hope there aren't too many casualties, not a good week for African aviation...

By the looks of it the tail looks like that of a DC9 or MD80, you can also see a thrust reverser detached there that looks like a PW JT8D style one
 
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RE: Passenger Plane Crash In Lagos; 150 Pass

Sun Jun 03, 2012 3:58 pm

Some vague coverage on BBC too:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-africa-18316130
 
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RE: Passenger Plane Crash In Lagos; 150 Pass

Sun Jun 03, 2012 3:59 pm

So horiffic!! Praying for their families!
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RE: Passenger Plane Crash In Lagos; 150 Pass

Sun Jun 03, 2012 4:04 pm

Quoting planejamie (Reply 1):
By the looks of it the tail looks like that of a DC9 or MD80,

MD-83s to be exact.

From the pictures I seriously doubt there are any survivors. If so, may they RIP.  
 
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RE: Passenger Plane Crash In Lagos; 150 Pass

Sun Jun 03, 2012 4:04 pm

Certainly from the MD-80 family
 
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RE: Passenger Plane Crash In Lagos; 150 Pass

Sun Jun 03, 2012 4:10 pm

Doesn't look good, and fear there will be casualties on the ground. May they all RIP.   
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RE: Passenger Plane Crash In Lagos; 150 Pass

Sun Jun 03, 2012 4:28 pm

I believe they only have MD-83s in their fleet...
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Sun Jun 03, 2012 4:30 pm

Samsonite, I was way off!
 
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RE: Passenger Plane Crash In Lagos; 150 Pass

Sun Jun 03, 2012 4:34 pm

AV Herald:

A Dana Air MD-83, flight from Lagos to Abuja (Nigeria) with 153 people on board, lost height after takeoff from Lagos and crashed into a built up area at Ijua Ishaga and burst into flames. All occupants of the aircraft are feared dead.

Nigeria's Civil Aviation Authority confirmed the aircraft crashed shortly after takeoff for Abuja.

http://avherald.com/h?article=4508fb60&opt=0

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RE: Passenger Plane Crash In Lagos; 150 Pass

Sun Jun 03, 2012 5:12 pm

Poor people...   Too many accidents in Nigaria recently  
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RE: Passenger Plane Crash In Lagos; 150 Pass

Sun Jun 03, 2012 5:36 pm

Wikipedia's already on the case:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dana_Air_Flight_997

It lists the flight as landing from ABV as Dana Air Flight 997. However, Flightstats lists 9J 997 as LOS-ABV. ABV-LOS operated by 9J 992 around the time of the incident.
Could the flight have been returning to LOS after a mechanical problem or is it a website error? Absolutely horrifying.

Apparently, it was operated by 5N-RAM, a 21-year-old MD-83 delivered to Alaska Airlines in 1990 as N944AS and then transferred to Dana Air back in 2009. Before the crash, Dana Air had a fleet of only 5 MD-83's now down to 4, so we'll probably see some serious route cutbacks and financial problems.

Here's the Planespotters.net link:
http://www.planespotters.net/Product...as/MD-80/53019,5N-RAM-Dana-Air.php

That 'Active' label will probably be gone by tomorrow.

We'll find out soon enough.
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RE: Passenger Plane Crash In Lagos; 150 Pass

Sun Jun 03, 2012 5:47 pm

Spent many years working on that particular a/c. Condolences to all in this tragic accident.
 
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RE: Passenger Plane Crash In Lagos; 150 Pass

Sun Jun 03, 2012 5:50 pm

Quoting CO764 (Reply 14):
It lists the flight as landing from ABV as Dana Air Flight 997. However, Flightstats lists 9J 997 as LOS-ABV. ABV-LOS operated by 9J 992 around the time of the incident.

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RE: Passenger Plane Crash In Lagos; 150 Pass

Sun Jun 03, 2012 5:56 pm

That looks really bad  

Two accidents in two days in Africa. The saying is, "they come in three", hopefully we wont have any accidents tomorrow.
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RE: Passenger Plane Crash In Lagos; 150 Pass

Sun Jun 03, 2012 6:08 pm

Quoting CO764 (Reply 14):
Apparently, it was operated by 5N-RAM, a 21-year-old MD-83 delivered

BBC is reporting on air it was a DC-10, but we know the media gets it wrong sometimes

Also reporting that head of civil avaition in Nigeria says survivors unlikely .. sad
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Sun Jun 03, 2012 6:11 pm


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5N-RAM in 2009 awaiting AOC at the General Aviation Area, MMA Lagos.

May the souls of those killed in the aircraft and on the ground rest in perfect peace. Amen.

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RE: Passenger Plane Crash In Lagos; 150 Pass

Sun Jun 03, 2012 6:17 pm

I hope nobody was hit on the ground.
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RE: Passenger Plane Crash In Lagos; 150 Pass

Sun Jun 03, 2012 6:22 pm

This is completely devastating. My day has just been dampened by this. The crash looks really bad and it is feared that everyone is dead. Was just browsing through twitter and saw an update posted by a passenger before boarding  . My thoughts go out to the families of the victims. RIP
 
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RE: Passenger Plane Crash In Lagos; 150 Pass

Sun Jun 03, 2012 6:54 pm

Quoting KBJCpilot (Reply 8):
More news with pictures:

http://www.bellanaija.com/2012/06/03...agos/

Whoa....that should come with a graphic warning. I think there are photos of dead bodies in one of the photos, a sickening way to die. At least it was quick (I hope.) RIP to all.

Quoting ogepma (Reply 21):
Was just browsing through twitter and saw an update posted by a passenger before boarding

Absolutely awful.
There is a photo of this aircraft in the December 2011 edition of Airliner World with the caption, "This Dana Air of Nigeria McDonnell Douglas MD-83, 5N-RAM (c/n 53019) was an interesting visitor to Malta in September. The carrier operates four of the type on services from Lagos."
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RE: Passenger Plane Crash In Lagos; 150 Pass

Sun Jun 03, 2012 7:20 pm

http://www.bellanaija.com/2012/06/03...agos/
The above link does not work.

[Edited 2012-06-03 12:44:53]
 
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RE: Passenger Plane Crash In Lagos; 150 Pass

Sun Jun 03, 2012 7:20 pm

Quoting KBJCpilot (Reply 8):

More news with pictures:

http://www.bellanaija.com/2012/06/03...uja-to-lagos-crashes-in-iju-lagos/

The comments below that article are a complete freakshow.
 
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RE: Passenger Plane Crash In Lagos; 150 Pass

Sun Jun 03, 2012 7:30 pm

Quoting klwright69 (Reply 22):
The above link does not work.

Here is a working one:

http://www.bellanaija.com/2012/06/03...uja-to-lagos-crashes-in-iju-lagos/
 
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RE: Passenger Plane Crash In Lagos; 150 Pass

Sun Jun 03, 2012 7:39 pm

Lagos at least is not high. It is 41 metres above sea level
 
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RE: Passenger Plane Crash In Lagos; 150 Pass

Sun Jun 03, 2012 8:02 pm

Yeah, and other than Northwest 255 also Spanair flight 5022 crashed because of same reason, crew forgetting to set slats & flaps, though I think in this case warning sounds were actually broken instead of being turned off.
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RE: Passenger Plane Crash In Lagos; 150 Pass

Sun Jun 03, 2012 8:09 pm

This is very sad news   An MD83 of this airline passed CUR last monday on deliveryflight to the airline's homebase in Nigeria. Registration is 5N-DEV. RIP to all who lost their lives in this crash and my condolences to the families and friends  

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RE: Passenger Plane Crash In Lagos; 150 Pass

Sun Jun 03, 2012 8:26 pm

Been confirmed by CNN that the aircraft was flying ABV-LOS.

http://www.cnn.com/2012/06/03/world/...a-plane-crash/index.html?hpt=hp_t1

So forgetting to set the flaps is not a likely cause.

Rumors are also floating about that at least one of the pilots was American.

Not a good day for aviation.  
 
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RE: Passenger Plane Crash In Lagos; 150 Pass

Sun Jun 03, 2012 8:57 pm

What was the weather/visability at the time of this crash? I presume we have no idea yet of the possible number of dead on the ground.

This crash could have been due to factors that could have happened anywhere, not just in Nigeria so let us not just go into the kneejerk responses of some to blame it just for it occuring there.
 
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RE: Passenger Plane Crash In Lagos; 150 Pass

Sun Jun 03, 2012 9:01 pm

Quoting Pvjin (Reply 27):
hough I think in this case warning sounds were actually broken instead of being turned off.

The weight-on-wheels sensor had been deactivated.
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RE: Passenger Plane Crash In Lagos; 150 Pass

Sun Jun 03, 2012 9:39 pm

This is really another sad day for the West African nations Both Ghana and Nigeria. May the lost souls RIP.

On a side a note, I can't seem to get this one of my head as both Crushes involve Nigeria. The cargo plane that crush in Ghana yesterday was inbound from Nigeria. something just doesn't feel right about this with me at all.
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RE: Passenger Plane Crash In Lagos; 150 Pass

Sun Jun 03, 2012 10:47 pm

Was this the DANA aircraft that was at MIA for the last couple of weeks? It would be a real shame if they put her back into service and she lasted just this little amount of time...

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RE: Passenger Plane Crash In Lagos; 150 Pass

Sun Jun 03, 2012 11:08 pm

I guess that this is the aircraft:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ldWheX4pJ7k

Video says 5A-RAM, but that would be Libyan registration and airfleets & airliners.net say nothing about it so it is probably 5N-RAM then.
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RE: Passenger Plane Crash In Lagos; 150 Pass

Mon Jun 04, 2012 12:40 am

Sad to confirm as expected all onboard are confirmed dead, with unknown fatalities on the ground at this time.
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RE: Passenger Plane Crash In Lagos; 150 Pass

Mon Jun 04, 2012 12:48 am

I have a friend who is a first officer for this airline. I wish I could know the names of the crew. Strange coincidence, he went off to flight school with another mutual friend, whose piper crashed somewhere over the Bahamas a couple years ago. Would be really weird if I loose both to crashes..
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RE: Passenger Plane Crash In Lagos; 150 Pass

Mon Jun 04, 2012 1:20 am

It never ceases to amaze me, that after these crashes in third world countries, literally hundreds of on lookers are allowed to swarm over the wreckage ?  Wow!

Why don't the authorities keep everyone well back, as it must make the investigation in to what exactly happened, almost impossible ascertain, once the crash site has been contaminated by foragers looking for anything of value, probably to steal, or souvenir   
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RE: Passenger Plane Crash In Lagos; 150 Pass

Mon Jun 04, 2012 1:30 am

Quoting TheCommodore (Reply 34):
Why don't the authorities keep everyone well back

I have no desire to make unsollicited blanket statements here, but I guess it's a fair assumption that whenever a catastrophe like this one happens in a densely populated area, authorities are certainly a bit overwhelmed. Also, I would expect that in a country such as Nigeria emergency response isn't up to par to what we see in first world countries.

I am deeply saddened by this crash. It is a huge loss of life, and yet another disaster to strike Nigeria.
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RE: Passenger Plane Crash In Lagos; 150 Pass

Mon Jun 04, 2012 1:55 am

The word so far is dual engine failure. Fuel contamination, lack of fuel, flock of large birds, etc. seems likely. Sad being too low and too slow ... with nowhere to set it down safely due to buildings in all directions.
 
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RE: Passenger Plane Crash In Lagos; 150 Pass

Mon Jun 04, 2012 2:03 am

I have a question that is off topic, but related to the sad events unfolding. When something like this happens, there are obviously passengers at the airport waiting to depart on other flights. Witnessing such an event would traumatic I would think. Are airlines sympathetic in these instances where they would allow passengers to rebook their flights?

As much as I have flown around the world, I'm not sure if I would board a plane, especially on an airline (not exclusive to Dana Air here) that I just witnessed involved in a crash.
 
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RE: Passenger Plane Crash In Lagos; 150 Pass

Mon Jun 04, 2012 2:18 am

Quoting TheCommodore (Reply 34):
It never ceases to amaze me, that after these crashes in third world countries, literally hundreds of on lookers are allowed to swarm over the wreckage ? Wow!

It never ceases to amaze me how some people on this forum have all the answers. Your assumptions about 'third world countries' shows a complete lack of understanding.
Firstly, many people would be concerned about friends & relatives. They are not going to shrug their shoulders and walk away.
Secondly, how many times do we have a traffic accident in the 'first world' where there are more accidents caused by 'rubber-necks'? I've seen GA aircraft accidents on the TV in Australia with the authorities having to move on curious onlookers.
As for the Nigerian authorities, one of the press releases says that the army were trying to keep people back. Other members of the public tried to get a fire hose there. Yes, some looters will probably be around, but most of the onlookers are not experts that are going to know that investigators want to leave the site intact. Most probably, people where trying to find survivors of the plane or the buildings destroyed.
In Nigeria, unfortunately, accident investigation will probably be limited by funding, human resources, and in this situation a densely populated slum.
Please don't make assumptions about 'inferior' 'third world countries'. Take a look at some of the issues we have here in Australia (try visiting some of the Aboriginal communities I've been to!). Oh, and if you are wondering if I know what I'm talking about, I spent some time this year working with a Nigerian airline - wonderful people, doing a great job.
 
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RE: Passenger Plane Crash In Lagos; 150 Pass

Mon Jun 04, 2012 2:29 am

Quoting md80fanatic (Reply 36):
The word so far is dual engine failure. Fuel contamination, lack of fuel, flock of large birds, etc. seems likely. Sad being too low and too slow ... with nowhere to set it down safely due to buildings in all directions.

Yep, I read on PPRuNe that other pilots on the frequency reported hearing a mayday for "double engine failure". Aviation Herald is also reporting this.

Although, the A/C would've crashed at a really low speed had this been the case, so definitely surprised to see such a "violent" crash.
 
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RE: Passenger Plane Crash In Lagos; 150 Pass

Mon Jun 04, 2012 2:41 am

If fuel contamination is the reason what are the protocols to test fuel? Is it the captain's responsibility? Or do the fuelers/fueling company test it?
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RE: Passenger Plane Crash In Lagos; 150 Pass

Mon Jun 04, 2012 2:59 am

Quoting jetblueguy22 (Reply 40):
If fuel contamination is the reason what are the protocols to test fuel? Is it the captain's responsibility? Or do the fuelers/fueling company test it?

When I fly a Cessna 172, it is my responsibility to check the fuel for contamination. However, I had the opportunity to accompany a first officer on her preflight of an Airbus A319 several months ago, and a fuel check was not part of the procedure. I would imagine that with larger and more sophisticated aircraft, it is the responsibility of the fueler.
 
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RE: Passenger Plane Crash In Lagos; 150 Pass

Mon Jun 04, 2012 3:00 am

My heart goes out to the victims and their families. It's a terrible tragedy, whatever the cause. As a previous A.netter said, I hope there were no additional casualties on the ground.
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RE: Passenger Plane Crash In Lagos; 150 Pass

Mon Jun 04, 2012 3:15 am

Quoting md80fanatic (Reply 36):
The word so far is dual engine failure. Fuel contamination, lack of fuel, flock of large birds, etc. seems likely. Sad being too low and too slow ... with nowhere to set it down safely due to buildings in all directions.

Near landing after a less than 300nm flight - I doubt fuel contamination. News reports are full of reports of large amounts of unburned fuel at the crash site - so fuel starvation is unlikely.

Birds is a possibility, but I've seen nothing about that possibility.

Quoting TheCommodore (Reply 34):
Why don't the authorities keep everyone well back,

When a jet went down in a Los Angeles neighborhood in 1968 - many people flocked to the site to try and find missing loved ones. Folks fought the fires with their lawn water hoses, just as people did in Lagos in this crash.

A similar uncontained crash scene occurred again in New York City in Nov 2001, in Amsterdam in 1992, In Sao Paulo in 2007. The initial rescues for Flight 191 at DFW were done by motorists from the highway passing the airport before AARF arrived.

Whenever a plane goes down in a heavily populated housing area like this one did, people flock to the scene looking for their families and loved ones. Not just in the 'Third World'

Remember that so far 10 bodies of people killed on the ground have been located, and authorities expect many more to be found as the wreckage is cleared. People are looking for family and their meager possessions.

Quoting Numero4 (Reply 35):
but I guess it's a fair assumption that whenever a catastrophe like this one happens in a densely populated area, authorities are certainly a bit overwhelmed.

No where in the world is prepared to flood a scene immediately with enough manpower to seal off a crash site in a heavily populated neighborhood.

However there is one difference between 'third world' nations and places like the United States - the emergency response infrastructure.

We have a lot more fire trucks, police cars and emergency workers for the size of our population than a city like Lagos. .
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RE: Passenger Plane Crash In Lagos; 150 Pass

Mon Jun 04, 2012 3:15 am

RIP to those lost.

Does anyone know the what routes and times this aircraft flew the day before the crash?

Thanks.
 
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RE: Passenger Plane Crash In Lagos; 150 Pass

Mon Jun 04, 2012 3:23 am

Quoting jetblueguy22 (Reply 40):
If fuel contamination is the reason what are the protocols to test fuel? Is it the captain's responsibility? Or do the fuelers/fueling company test it?

Most contract fuel companies go through specific company tests at the beginning of the contract, unless they are from a reputable provider (ie big airport, etc..) all of which go through stringent tests to guard against fuel contamination. However, if the fuel purchase is at a base, or through a contracted company, then no, the pilots do nothing to check the fuel! While fuel contamination does happen, it is rare! That being said, a duel engine failure could very well be fuel contamination!

Either way, RIP to everyone, sad few days in aviation!
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RE: Passenger Plane Crash In Lagos; 150 Pass

Mon Jun 04, 2012 3:24 am

Very sad couple of days in African aviation and aviation in general. RIP to all who perished.
 
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RE: Passenger Plane Crash In Lagos; 150 Pass

Mon Jun 04, 2012 3:29 am

Quoting outbackair (Reply 38):
Firstly, many people would be concerned about friends & relatives. They are not going to shrug their shoulders and walk away.

It doesnt make it right. The gov't still has to do an investigation and they are contaminating the crash area, not to mention that it is not a safe place to be for them.

Quoting outbackair (Reply 38):
Secondly, how many times do we have a traffic accident in the 'first world' where there are more accidents caused by 'rubber-necks'? I've seen GA aircraft accidents on the TV in Australia with the authorities having to move on curious onlookers.

Not sure what your point is here, and what this has to do with this crash.

Quoting outbackair (Reply 38):
I spent some time this year working with a Nigerian airline - wonderful people, doing a great job.

Is this why you are getting so defensive? If you know anyone in this crash then my condolences go to you, otherwise, I don't see anything wrong with the post. I was actually wondering the same thing.
 
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RE: Passenger Plane Crash In Lagos; 150 Pass

Mon Jun 04, 2012 3:50 am

Quoting COA735 (Reply 47):
It doesnt make it right. The gov't still has to do an investigation and they are contaminating the crash area, not to mention that it is not a safe place to be for them.

Then again, firefighters and other emergency services crew will also contaminate the crash site during the course of rescue operations, but it's a "sacrifice" that must be made. The priority is always on saving lives versus preserving the site for later investigation.
 
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RE: Passenger Plane Crash In Lagos; 150 Pass

Mon Jun 04, 2012 4:05 am

Quoting outbackair (Reply 38):
Firstly, many people would be concerned about friends & relatives. They are not going to shrug their shoulders and walk away.

Do you know if the people I saw in the news clip were friends and relatives ?

Most of the people I witnessed in the news reports, were standing in and around the crash site filming from their phones. They certainty didn't appear to be terribly upset, like you would expect to see in the circumstances, especially if they were, according to you, friends and relatives  
Quoting outbackair (Reply 38):
Secondly, how many times do we have a traffic accident in the 'first world' where there are more accidents caused by 'rubber-necks'? I've seen GA aircraft accidents on the TV in Australia with the authorities having to move on curious onlookers.

Your kidding right ?

Firstly, a traffic accident has nothing to do with this and can hardly compared as comparable to this tragedy.
And secondly, where have you the seen the same sorts of chaos, with uncontrolled swarms of people clambering all of the wreck, at plane crashes, in Australia ?

Quoting outbackair (Reply 38):
Take a look at some of the issues we have here in Australia (try visiting some of the Aboriginal communities I've been to!). Oh, and if you are wondering if I know what I'm talking about, I spent some time this year working with a Nigerian airline - wonderful people, doing a great job.

No relevance at all to what this thread is about.

Quoting outbackair (Reply 38):
It never ceases to amaze me how some people on this forum have all the answers.

Including you apparently, who seems to know more than most !

Quoting COA735 (Reply 47):
It doesnt make it right. The gov't still has to do an investigation and they are contaminating the crash area, not to mention that it is not a safe place to be for them.

Except in this case, according to "outbackair" !         
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Tails and Winglets Tail and Winglet closeups with beautiful airline logos