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Has Every 747 (Of 1400) Been To JFK?

Sun Jun 10, 2012 3:42 pm

I had a strange thought yesterday while waiting for my flight at JFK. More than 1400 Boeing 747s were built in the last 40 years and I was wondering if it might be true that every single one of them has landed at JFK at some point in time. With the huge amount of different airlines at JFK in the past and today, passenger and cargo, and the 747 being the flag ship of most airlines that have operated this type, and the prestigious New York routes, and with the slot restrictions and all, I was wondering if all 1400+ might have been here at some time. Maybe some military frames have not, but then again, I'm sure most of the American military 747s have come to JFK at some point.

What do you think? Obviously it would be very hard to prove, but probably easy to find an exception to my hypothesis?

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Sun Jun 10, 2012 3:54 pm

I don't believe that 1400 different 747s landed in JFK, but I would bet my money that more than 1000 have landed there.
One exception: LH 747-8?
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Sun Jun 10, 2012 3:56 pm

How about the 747-400Ds which were operated in Japan. they wouldn't have the legs to operate standard 747 legs, hence I doubt they ever went anywhere near JFK.
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RE: Has Every 747 (Of 1400) Been To JFK?

Sun Jun 10, 2012 3:56 pm

I would imagine the ones configured for Japanese domestic service never did.
 
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Sun Jun 10, 2012 3:59 pm

Probably not, especially regarding the SR-aicraft for ANA and JAL which did not see much service outside of Asia. Also, those 747s which served their whole life with a Canadian airline would probably not be used on services to JFK.

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Sun Jun 10, 2012 4:11 pm

Quoting extspotter (Reply 2):
How about the 747-400Ds which were operated in Japan. they wouldn't have the legs to operate standard 747 legs, hence I doubt they ever went anywhere near JFK.

A couple of the ANA -400Ds were later converted to standard -400 spec so they probably did come to JFK.

The other ones that probably avoided JFK were the 200SUDs and -300s operated by UTA French Airlines as they didn't have JFK rights and when Air France took them over, those 747s were converted for use on the Caribbean network.
 
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RE: Has Every 747 (Of 1400) Been To JFK?

Sun Jun 10, 2012 4:24 pm

Air New Zealand's 742 and 744's, Thai's 747's, Malaysia's 747's, Cathay Pacific's 747 before they flew to JFK. Most JAL 741's and 742's until the specially made 742's in 1983. Saudia 741, Air Canada 747's, CP Air 747 & Canadian 744's. Garuda Indonesia's 747 never flew expcept perhaps when Taking their President to teh UN.
 
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RE: Has Every 747 (Of 1400) Been To JFK?

Sun Jun 10, 2012 5:08 pm

Quoting jfk777 (Reply 6):
Air New Zealand's 742 and 744's, Thai's 747's, Malaysia's 747's, Cathay Pacific's 747 before they flew to JFK. Most JAL 741's and 742's until the specially made 742's in 1983. Saudia 741, Air Canada 747's, CP Air 747 & Canadian 744's. Garuda Indonesia's 747 never flew expcept perhaps when Taking their President to teh UN.

All of the above may be true, but don't you think a good bunch of those have visited JFK on some sort of charter or VIP or government mission?

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Sun Jun 10, 2012 5:29 pm

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Quoting jfk777 (Reply 6):
Air New Zealand's 742 and 744's, Thai's 747's, Malaysia's 747's, Cathay Pacific's 747 before they flew to JFK. Most JAL 741's and 742's until the specially made 742's in 1983. Saudia 741, Air Canada 747's, CP Air 747 & Canadian 744's. Garuda Indonesia's 747 never flew expcept perhaps when Taking their President to teh UN.

I think that is to much of a sweeping statement to dismiss all of these aircraft, airlines maybe but many of these aircraft may have been to JFK once they had been sold to second hand operators or been converted to 747-400BCF's. I think JAL had 2x 747-200's with increased MTOW delivered in the mid 1980's just before the -400's delivered to operate the TYO-JFK service, although many of the other 741's & 742's probably didn't. Some ex CP Air & Air Canada 747's were sold to AAR & PIA & could have operated to JFK later on.

Good original question, wonder which airport in the world has actualy been visited by the most 747's ever built, LHR possibly?
 
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Sun Jun 10, 2012 5:39 pm

Quoting Ned Kelly (Reply 8):
Good original question, wonder which airport in the world has actualy been visited by the most 747's ever built, LHR possibly?

Nope, that would be KPAE where 100% of the 747s have been  
 
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RE: Has Every 747 (Of 1400) Been To JFK?

Sun Jun 10, 2012 5:42 pm

Quoting Birdwatching (Reply 7):
All of the above may be true, but don't you think a good bunch of those have visited JFK on some sort of charter or VIP or government mission?

Soren

No. Certainly none or extremely few of the Canadian aircraft would have ever gone to JFK. Not many nations would require a 747 size aircraft to visit the UN. I would not be surprized if was less than half of the 1400 built ever went to JFK.
 
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Sun Jun 10, 2012 6:19 pm

Quoting extspotter (Reply 2):
How about the 747-400Ds which were operated in Japan. they wouldn't have the legs to operate standard 747 legs, hence I doubt they ever went anywhere near JFK.
Quoting DouglasDC10 (Reply 4):
Also, those 747s which served their whole life with a Canadian airline would probably not be used on services to JFK.

I would guess that at least all except one of the 8 747s operated by CP Air and Canadian Airlines would have visited JFK. The 4 CP Air 747-200s spent quite a few years with PIA which served JFK, and 3 of the 4 Canadian Airlines 747-400s operated for Aerolineas Argentinas. I believe the 4th 744 has only operated for Philippine Airlines after its CP/AC service so it may not have visited JFK.
 
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Sun Jun 10, 2012 6:23 pm

Some of the 1400 747s were also freighters that probably never landed in JFK, also the 747-8I from LH so fas has never landed in JFK. JFK and LHR are probably the airports that have seen the most 747s from different airlines in the world
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Sun Jun 10, 2012 6:33 pm

UPS doesn't have a scheduled 747 service to JFK, so I'm pretty sure the newbuild 747-400's (N570UP-N577UP) haven't been to JFK. N578UP and N579UP are converted freighters purchased from EVA so they may have seen JFK as well as the former Cargolux birds (N580UP-N583UP).
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Sun Jun 10, 2012 6:36 pm

Quoting pnwtraveler (Reply 10):
Certainly none or extremely few of the Canadian aircraft would have ever gone to JFK

I disagree, at least for 7 of the 8 747s operated by CP (CP Air and Canadian Airlines). See my Reply 11.
 
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Sun Jun 10, 2012 7:00 pm

Quoting Birdwatching (Reply 7):
All of the above may be true, but don't you think a good bunch of those have visited JFK on some sort of charter or VIP or government mission?

None of the NZ airframes went to JFK to my knowledge under any circumstance including medical diversion, they have been to Gander a few times. However, the exception is a couple of the old NZ aircraft which became Southern Air Cargo -BCFs. Same goes for the -SR and -D variants that went to UPS/Kalitta etc etc...
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RE: Has Every 747 (Of 1400) Been To JFK?

Sun Jun 10, 2012 7:15 pm

Quoting aerorobnz (Reply 15):
None of the NZ airframes went to JFK to my knowledge under any circumstance including medical diversion

But the question is about airframes, the NZ airframes had long interesting lifes including a bunch which flew for Virgin Atlantic, no doubt they flew to JFK sometime.
I think JFK and LHR are likely to be in the 1000+ club, but I am sure there indeed are, I guess between 100 and 400 which never went to JFK. Probably the new built Iran Air Force 747s (in contrast to the ex TWA ones which no doubt have visited JFK while flying for TWA). Some freighters. And maybe even a few frames here and there from say Northwest or BA which just happened to have never been scheduled on a JFK flight.
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RE: Has Every 747 (Of 1400) Been To JFK?

Sun Jun 10, 2012 7:28 pm

What an interesting question this topic poses. I wonder if there is another airport out there that may have seen most (if not all) of the 747s. Maybe LHR?
 
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Sun Jun 10, 2012 7:41 pm

Quoting MEA-707 (Reply 16):
And maybe even a few frames here and there from say Northwest or BA which just happened to have never been scheduled on a JFK flight

Very unlikely with BA, the 741 was for a long time the workhorse to the Eastern US, the 742 supplemented it and took on the role until the fleet's retirement in 2001. Since then, with up to 7 daily flights I'd say you'd be hard pushed to find a BA 744 which hasn't been to JFK

However the ex Alitalia frames at Virgin have almost certainly never done a JFK, they did briefly fly to EWR in 2001 but the flight switched to LHR after 9/11 and the those planes have stayed at LGW.
 
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RE: Has Every 747 (Of 1400) Been To JFK?

Sun Jun 10, 2012 8:01 pm

Quoting N62NA (Reply 17):

What an interesting question this topic poses. I wonder if there is another airport out there that may have seen most (if not all) of the 747s. Maybe LHR?

I doubt it - all the European 747s (KLM, AF, LH and in better times SK, IB and AZ) would not fly to LHR, only in exceptional cases.

But I agree, it's an interesting question. One could use the picture database to find out which msn in NYC was.
 
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Sun Jun 10, 2012 8:06 pm

Quoting Birdwatching (Reply 7):
All of the above may be true, but don't you think a good bunch of those have visited JFK on some sort of charter or VIP or government mission?

Only time Presidents and Prime Minister come to JFK is the UN once a year. Face it most 741 and 742 west of Japan and east of Pakistan didn't fly to JFK plus those in New Zealand and Australia.
 
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Sun Jun 10, 2012 8:33 pm

Quoting N62NA (Reply 17):
What an interesting question this topic poses. I wonder if there is another airport out there that may have seen most (if not all) of the 747s. Maybe LHR?

LHR is more of a 747 land....but most of the European carriers who operate/operated the 747 would not send their 747s to LHR....

Quoting jfk777 (Reply 20):
Face it most 741 and 742 west of Japan and east of Pakistan didn't fly to JFK plus those in New Zealand and Australia.

That's not true......India is east of Pakistan and AI has always flown to JFK......however, AI had a small fleet of 2 743s that were never operated beyond LHR on regular flights.....they may have flown the one odd flight across the Atlantic, bot not necesarily to JFK....it was the 742s and 744s that flew trans Atlantic for AI....until they gave way to the 777s......  
 
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Sun Jun 10, 2012 8:34 pm

Quoting jfk777 (Reply 20):
Face it most 741 and 742 west of Japan and east of Pakistan didn't fly to JFK plus those in New Zealand and Australia.

Count out all of AI and PK's 747s from your above list. All of them have done JFK.

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Sun Jun 10, 2012 8:36 pm

I have a feeling a slightly larger proportion of the 747 population will have gone to HKG than to JFK.
HK has always been a major 747 hive.

For a start, I'd say almost every 747 freighter ever built has landed there at some point, and a lot of the airlines which operated the 747 flew them to Asia.
On top of that, HK allows airlines from all over the world, regardless of any political issues.
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Sun Jun 10, 2012 8:41 pm

I think it's safe to say that very few Qantas 747's ever saw JFK.
 
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Sun Jun 10, 2012 8:57 pm

Quoting bohica (Reply 24):
I think it's safe to say that very few Qantas 747's ever saw JFK.

Huh? QF has been operating 747's to JFK for years, aside from a brief period through the GFC when the flight was an A332. Their entire existing fleet will have visited JFK at some stage, and many before.
 
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Sun Jun 10, 2012 9:05 pm

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Quoting francoflier (Reply 23):
I have a feeling a slightly larger proportion of the 747 population will have gone to HKG than to JFK.

Yes and no, as we´re talking about two airports here. Remember Kai Tak? Many of the early-built 747s which came to Kai Tak never saw the new airport, and vice versa. I´d say, JFK and LHR would be the no.1 candidates in this thread. LHR naturally saw very few LH, AF, IB, SAS, SR and AZ 747s, though some certainly have been there in the livery of a later operator. And likely LHR never saw a JAL or ANA shorthaul-Jumbo except perhaps the odd converted Kalitta-ex-JAL freighter. Some of SVs 741s have seen LHR, but likely not JFK. NZ´s 742s will mostly have been in JFK in the later career with VS or on a Transaero charter.
 
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Sun Jun 10, 2012 9:12 pm

Quoting qf002 (Reply 25):
Quoting bohica (Reply 24):
I think it's safe to say that very few Qantas 747's ever saw JFK.

Huh? QF has been operating 747's to JFK for years, aside from a brief period through the GFC when the flight was an A332. Their entire existing fleet will have visited JFK at some stage, and many before.

I doubt any QF 742s, 743s or SPs would have visited JFK (while in service with QF). QF only reinstated service to JFK in 2000 after an absence of 26 years. They dropped JFK in 1974, about the time 742s replaced 707s on transpacific services.

JFK had been served by QF from the mid-1950s until 1974, first with the L-1049G Super Constellation and then with the 707, as part of their around-the-world service that continued to/from LHR.

By the time JFK was reinstated in 2000 I think QF 742s were long gone. All 65 A.net photos of QF 747s at JFK are 744s.

[Edited 2012-06-10 14:22:47]
 
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Sun Jun 10, 2012 9:16 pm

Maybe I am off here, but did United Airlines do much out of JFK with 747s? I know Northwest and later Delta brought them in.
 
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Sun Jun 10, 2012 9:33 pm

Quoting Viscount724 (Reply 27):
By the time JFK was reinstated in 2000 I think QF 742s were long gone. All 65 A.net photos of QF 747s at JFK are 744s.


Almost half of all the 747's QF has ever operated have been -400's. So potentially half of the 747 fleet has operated to JFK as a QF flight (realistically, probably not. But at least 20 planes would have.)

The vast majority of their -200 fleet ended up with VS, UA, AC and LY, so it's fair to say that many of them would also have visited JFK at one point.

Hardly 'very few'...
 
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Sun Jun 10, 2012 9:33 pm

There's no single airport other than PAE and MWH that they've all been to (and some may or may not have been to MWH - most do some test landings there during pre-delivery). But I would say that LHR and JFK are probably the top of the list in terms of the number of frames that have visited. Many of JAL and ANA's former domestic 747s ended up as converted freighters, and those are definitely often seen at JFK.

If HKG had not been divided into two eras (Kai Tak and Chek Lap Kok) it would probably be in the lead.

There are some 747s which had very short lives, however (line number 34, destroyed at Cairo by hijackers in the Dawson's field incident for example), and at least one 744 which has never gone into service (line 1416) and therefore never left the western U.S. Ergo, there's no one place other than the factory and Grant County that you can be sure of all of them having visited.
 
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Sun Jun 10, 2012 9:44 pm

Quoting NASCARAirforce (Reply 28):
Maybe I am off here, but did United Airlines do much out of JFK with 747s?
UA used their original 741s JFK-LAX and JFK-SFO in the 1970s and beyond. In the November 1979 OAG, UA had 5 daily 747 departures from JFK (3 to LAX, 1 to SFO, 1 to ORD which continued to HNL).

For a while after they acquired Pan Am's Pacific routes in 1986 they also operated JFK-NRT nonstop with the 747-200. They dropped that route at some point.

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Sun Jun 10, 2012 9:57 pm

I believe some jumbo jet airlines don't fly to JFK, but service NYC through EWR. I suppose those planes would have never gone to JFK.
 
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Sun Jun 10, 2012 10:35 pm

Quoting cargolex (Reply 30):

There's no single airport other than PAE and MWH that they've all been to (and some may or may not have been to MWH - most do some test landings there during pre-delivery). But I would say that LHR and JFK are probably the top of the list in terms of the number of frames that have visited. Many of JAL and ANA's former domestic 747s ended up as converted freighters, and those are definitely often seen at JFK.

If HKG had not been divided into two eras (Kai Tak and Chek Lap Kok) it would probably be in the lead

I would have thought NRT would be pretty high up as well, given at one time JAL had the world's largest 747 fleet.
 
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Sun Jun 10, 2012 10:43 pm

Quoting MEA-707 (Reply 16):
But the question is about airframes, the NZ airframes had long interesting lifes

Yes,perhaps for the 200Bs but the -419s have been with NZ since delivery and have only just been retired for scrapping without ever seeing use by another carrier.
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Sun Jun 10, 2012 10:51 pm

Quoting Vimanav (Reply 22):
it most 741 and 742 west of Japan and east of Pakistan didn't fly to JFK plus those in New Zealand and Australia.
Count out all of AI and PK's 747s from your above list. All of them have done JFK.

I am counting all Air India and Pakistan Air 747's as flying or having flown to JFK.
 
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Mon Jun 11, 2012 12:17 am

Iran Air - their 747SPs operated the JFK route in the Shah era, but post 1979 they stopped operating the route, so their 747-100 and the 747-200s would have never been to JFK.

Same with Syrian Air - they never operated to JFK.

Same with Egypt Air - during the period while they had the 743s, JFK service was on the 767.
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Mon Jun 11, 2012 12:41 am

I'm pretty sure TWA's FL 770/771 spent it's life jumping the pond between ORD and LHR.
 
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Mon Jun 11, 2012 12:47 am

I don't think Braniff 747s ever flew to JFK. They were based in DFW and flew to HNL and LGW.

People Express: they were based in EWR and had no flight out of JFK but their 747s probably came second hand from another airline so we cannot say that People Express 747s never landed at JFK.

Quoting columba (Reply 12):
JFK and LHR are probably the airports that have seen the most 747s from different airlines in the world

LAX also. And I would add NRT next to that list.
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Mon Jun 11, 2012 12:54 am

Quoting Airxliban (Reply 36):
Same with Egypt Air - during the period while they had the 743s, JFK service was on the 767.

Before 767 Egypt Air did fly 743 to JFK.
 
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Mon Jun 11, 2012 1:02 am

Quoting American 767 (Reply 38):
I don't think Braniff 747s ever flew to JFK. They were based in DFW and flew to HNL and LGW.

Braniff's October 1979 timetable shows one 747 nonstop a week JFK-EZE.

And, while they probably had very little 747 service to JFK while they were with Braniff, several of their 747s were acquired from carriers that did serve JFK and after Braniff's demise some went to carriers that no doubt used them to JFK. For example, one of their 747SPs was acquired by Pan Am.
 
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Mon Jun 11, 2012 1:13 am

Quoting cargolex (Reply 30):
and at least one 744 which has never gone into service (line 1416) and therefore never left the western U.S. Ergo, there's no one place other than the factory and Grant County that you can be sure of all of them having visited.

What happened here?
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Mon Jun 11, 2012 1:34 am

I'm pretty sure that the new 744's of AirBridge and now defunct Jade Cargo have not been to JFK so far. The same goes for the two new China Cargo 744's.

And how about the Iran Air Force 741's, I don't hink they have ever visited JFK?
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Mon Jun 11, 2012 1:36 am

Quoting flyguy1 (Reply 41):
What happened here?

Was ordered by LoadAir but that airline never saw the light, 1416 has been stored since, now for over 3 years.
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Mon Jun 11, 2012 1:42 am

Quoting cargolex (Reply 30):
If HKG had not been divided into two eras (Kai Tak and Chek Lap Kok) it would probably be in the lead.

  

Quoting cargolex (Reply 30):
There are some 747s which had very short lives, however (line number 34, destroyed at Cairo by hijackers in the Dawson's field incident for example), and at least one 744 which has never gone into service (line 1416) and therefore never left the western U.S. Ergo, there's no one place other than the factory and Grant County that you can be sure of all of them having visited.

Line number 977 of China Airlines, only a few months old when it went off the runway in Kai Tak in to the water.
Line number 1370 of Asiana Cargo, was just over 5 years old when it crashed last year.
Line number 1393 of UPS, just under 3 years old when it crashed in 2010.

And maybe there are some more examples?
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RE: Has Every 747 (Of 1400) Been To JFK?

Mon Jun 11, 2012 1:52 am

Quoting BasilFawlty (Reply 42):
I'm pretty sure that the new 744's of AirBridge and now defunct Jade Cargo have not been to JFK so far. The same goes for the two new China Cargo 744's.

Keep in mind that they have operated in other guises before. Probably both of those Air China farmes have been to Kennedy as either SQ pax planes or as CX cargo. I would agree about the Jade frames any any planes delivered to Air Bridge new (rather than equipment they bought used). But the Jade planes will be with another operator eventually, so there's still time...
 
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RE: Has Every 747 (Of 1400) Been To JFK?

Mon Jun 11, 2012 2:03 am

 
Quoting francoflier (Reply 23):
I have a feeling a slightly larger proportion of the 747 population will have gone to HKG than to JFK.

I agree. If we count Kai Tak and Chep Lap Kok as the same thing for the purpose of this discussion, then it I can't see how it can't be in the lead with intra-Asia, Europe, North America and cargo.

I think LHR would be behind JFK since AF, KL, LH etc were never going to touch down there unless in exception circumstances, whereas in the past practically every airline which operated the 747 in the USA touched JFK at some point
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RE: Has Every 747 (Of 1400) Been To JFK?

Mon Jun 11, 2012 2:21 am

Quoting NASCARAirforce (Reply 28):
Maybe I am off here, but did United Airlines do much out of JFK with 747s? I know Northwest and later Delta brought them in.

I don't believe that the original 747s that DL had made it to JFK, even with the PanAm interchange service (IAD, I believe). They may have made it to JFK AFTER their DL service, but I don't know for sure.
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RE: Has Every 747 (Of 1400) Been To JFK?

Mon Jun 11, 2012 2:37 am

Quoting cargolex (Reply 45):
Keep in mind that they have operated in other guises before. Probably both of those Air China farmes have been to Kennedy as either SQ pax planes or as CX cargo. I would agree about the Jade frames any any planes delivered to Air Bridge new (rather than equipment they bought used). But the Jade planes will be with another operator eventually, so there's still time...

That's why I'm specifically talking about the new frames:

Quoting BasilFawlty (Reply 42):
the new 744's of AirBridge and now defunct Jade Cargo

I'm talking about China Cargo, not Air China Cargo.

Quoting BasilFawlty (Reply 42):
The same goes for the two new China Cargo 744's.
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RE: Has Every 747 (Of 1400) Been To JFK?

Mon Jun 11, 2012 3:57 am

Quoting Ned Kelly (Reply 8):
I think JAL had 2x 747-200's with increased MTOW delivered in the mid 1980's just before the -400's delivered to operate the TYO-JFK service,

JA8161, 8162 and 8169 had temporary additional center tank installed to operate the NYC flights. These aircraft were also often deployed on NRT-AMS services.
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