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DL To Acquire Used 757s?

Thu Jun 14, 2012 6:20 pm

According to Skyliner magtazine DL is acquiring 5 used 757s by July. Does anyone have any info? It does not make sense as they are rotating aircraft from the desert. The only reason that I could see for such a purchase is that they need the capacity and do not want to spend the money on the older aircraft if they are needing D checks.
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RE: DL To Acquire Used 757s?

Thu Jun 14, 2012 6:33 pm

YES, Delta's own 757 are rather aged, they were built over 25 years ago. DL got they some newer ones from NW when merged. The newest are former TWA ones that have high weights and are able to go to Europe.
 
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RE: DL To Acquire Used 757s?

Thu Jun 14, 2012 7:03 pm

Quite many of the 757s still fly around, I guess its because they have lower cycles than say 737s?
 
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RE: DL To Acquire Used 757s?

Thu Jun 14, 2012 8:14 pm

Didn't this same rumor come up in early 2011?
 
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RE: DL To Acquire Used 757s?

Thu Jun 14, 2012 8:34 pm

This is the first time that I have heard any thing about it. Like I said, I read it in the fleet update section of Skyliner magazine and they are usually pretty accurate.
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RE: DL To Acquire Used 757s?

Thu Jun 14, 2012 8:48 pm

Quoting jfk777 (Reply 1):

YES, Delta's own 757 are rather aged, they were built over 25 years ago.

Not all of the DL 757s are that old. They have 757-200s (Not the ex-TWA ones or the ones that came to the fleet via the NW merger.) that were built in the late 90s, early 00s. A number of the 752s used for Song were the newest ones in the DL fleet. A significant part of their 752 fleet was delivered between 1990-1993 and 1998-2001 (Some of their 737-800s were delivered in that time span as well.). More than likely any additional 757-200s brought into the fleet would be used to replace older examples in the fleet.
 
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RE: DL To Acquire Used 757s?

Thu Jun 14, 2012 9:22 pm

I'm surprised FX didn't have their eyes on them sooner since they are so thirsty for 757's.
 
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RE: DL To Acquire Used 757s?

Thu Jun 14, 2012 9:25 pm

Quoting jfk777 (Reply 1):

YES, Delta's own 757 are rather aged, they were built over 25 years ago. DL got they some newer ones from NW when merged. The newest are former TWA ones that have high weights and are able to go to Europe.

- Which ones are these, apart from a few in China, I though DL already had acquired all the former TWA 752's.
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RE: DL To Acquire Used 757s?

Thu Jun 14, 2012 9:43 pm

Quoting ba319-131 (Reply 7):
YES, Delta's own 757 are rather aged, they were built over 25 years ago. DL got they some newer ones from NW when merged. The newest are former TWA ones that have high weights and are able to go to Europe.

Delta's 757s are not "rather aged" and the bulk of their fleet (pre-merger) is less than 25 years old. As I mentioned in an earlier post:

Quoting srbmod (Reply 5):
Not all of the DL 757s are that old. They have 757-200s (Not the ex-TWA ones or the ones that came to the fleet via the NW merger.) that were built in the late 90s, early 00s. A number of the 752s used for Song were the newest ones in the DL fleet. A significant part of their 752 fleet was delivered between 1990-1993 and 1998-2001 (Some of their 737-800s were delivered in that time span as well.).
 
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RE: DL To Acquire Used 757s?

Thu Jun 14, 2012 9:48 pm

Quoting rotating14 (Reply 6):
I'm surprised FX didn't have their eyes on them sooner since they are so thirsty for 757's.

DL would have to fight FX tooth and nail for a non-winglet 757, but wingletted 757s not so much.
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RE: DL To Acquire Used 757s?

Thu Jun 14, 2012 10:35 pm

Quoting rotating14 (Reply 6):
I'm surprised FX didn't have their eyes on them sooner since they are so thirsty for 757's.
Quoting DL_Mech (Reply 9):
DL would have to fight FX tooth and nail for a non-winglet 757, but wingletted 757s not so much.

Correct. There's something about wingletted 757's being not (currently) certified for the cargo modification.

FX would need to pay the upfront certification costs if they wanted to a wingletted 757 modified for cargo ops.
 
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RE: DL To Acquire Used 757s?

Thu Jun 14, 2012 10:43 pm

So the real question is who has newer build, wingletted P&W-powered 757s and is looking to get rid of them? I don't see any registration numbers reserved by DL so if this rumor really is true they would probably have N-numbers already.
 
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RE: DL To Acquire Used 757s?

Thu Jun 14, 2012 11:18 pm

Quoting srbmod (Reply 8):
Quoting ba319-131 (Reply 7):
YES, Delta's own 757 are rather aged, they were built over 25 years ago. DL got they some newer ones from NW when merged. The newest are former TWA ones that have high weights and are able to go to Europe.

Delta's 757s are not "rather aged" and the bulk of their fleet (pre-merger) is less than 25 years old. As I mentioned in an earlier post:

From Boeing orders/deliveries data, year of delivery of DL's 116 factory-delivered 757s (not including those inherited from NW or other carriers):

1984 - 4
1985 - 8
1986 - 10
1987 - 11
1988 - 9
1989 - 10
1990 - 9
1991 - 8
1992 - 11
1993 - 4
1994 - none
1995 - 2
1996 - none
1997 - none
1998 - 8
1999 - 7
2000 - 12
2001 - 3
 
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RE: DL To Acquire Used 757s?

Thu Jun 14, 2012 11:27 pm

Quoting jfk777 (Reply 1):
The newest are former TWA ones that have high weights and are able to go to Europe.

The newest are actually the later build 5600 series airplanes. 5651-5657 were manufactured between July of 2001 and July of 2002. 6817, the youngest 75E, was manufactured in 2000.

[Edited 2012-06-14 16:31:05]
 
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RE: DL To Acquire Used 757s?

Thu Jun 14, 2012 11:29 pm

We bought or leased them some time ago, but the EIS wasn't for quite awhile off. I believe they were ex-AM aircraft, or from a carrier somewhere down in Mexico or Latin America. But I don't think this is "new" news.
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RE: DL To Acquire Used 757s?

Thu Jun 14, 2012 11:48 pm

Quoting jetjack74 (Reply 14):
We bought or leased them some time ago, but the EIS wasn't for quite awhile off. I believe they were ex-AM aircraft, or from a carrier somewhere down in Mexico or Latin America. But I don't think this is "new" news.

N624AG is one of the ex-Aeromexico aircraft and the only one that has been delivered to DL so far. It appears the sister aircraft to it are currently operating mostly in Russia for UTair and Nordwind. The production lists I've looked at don't provide any indication that these aircraft are stored or being returned from lease, but that's not to say they aren't scheduled to be in the near future.
 
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RE: DL To Acquire Used 757s?

Fri Jun 15, 2012 2:07 am

[quote=jetjack74,reply=14]
We bought or leased them some time ago, but the EIS wasn't for quite awhile off. I believe they were ex-AM aircraft, or from a carrier somewhere down in Mexico or Latin America. But I don't think this is "new" news.

Could they be the ex-Aladia 75s that are parked at VCV?
 
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RE: DL To Acquire Used 757s?

Fri Jun 15, 2012 2:21 am

I don't believe one ounce of this rumor / story. There is absolutely no evidence of any additional aircraft being acquired.
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RE: DL To Acquire Used 757s?

Fri Jun 15, 2012 3:55 am

Quoting srbmod (Reply 5):
More than likely any additional 757-200s brought into the fleet would be used to replace older examples in the fleet.

Why would they want to replace their older 757's with more 757's? Wouldn't a 739 make more sense? They don't need that many 757-power aircraft.
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RE: DL To Acquire Used 757s?

Fri Jun 15, 2012 4:02 am

Quoting DocLightning (Reply 18):
Why would they want to replace their older 757's with more 757's? Wouldn't a 739 make more sense? They don't need that many 757-power aircraft.
DL has a firm order for 100 739, which will replace some older 757 WFU.

But DL's open to adding used, modern aircraft -- at the right price -- to replenish its fleet. New aircraft are a drain on cash flow. Replacing 727 with 737NG/32X yielded significant economic savings. Replacing 757 with 739? Not so much.

[Edited 2012-06-14 21:04:06]
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RE: DL To Acquire Used 757s?

Fri Jun 15, 2012 4:28 am

Quoting B757forever (Reply 17):

That may not be 100% right.

I do seem to recall, during a investor call, that Delta was looking at 4-5 used 57s.


here is a thread from last year about it. I just kinda figured it died with the 73 order.

Delta Acquiring 5 Used 757s - From Where? (by 1337Delta764 Jan 14 2011 in Civil Aviation)
 
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RE: DL To Acquire Used 757s?

Fri Jun 15, 2012 5:45 am

North American Airlines rejected leases on all five of their 757s a few months ago

Quoting DocLightning (Reply 18):
Why would they want to replace their older 757's with more 757's? Wouldn't a 739 make more sense? They don't need that many 757-power aircraft.

73's can't cross the Atlantic.
 
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RE: DL To Acquire Used 757s?

Fri Jun 15, 2012 6:31 am

73's can't cross the Atlantic.

Not true! Happens everyday.
 
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RE: DL To Acquire Used 757s?

Fri Jun 15, 2012 10:28 am

Quoting spiritair97 (Reply 16):
Could they be the ex-Aladia 75s that are parked at VCV?

No, those mostly have been scrapped and there were only 3 not 5. Plus I believe they were RR powered.

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RE: DL To Acquire Used 757s?

Fri Jun 15, 2012 10:31 am

Quoting gothamspotter (Reply 21):
73's can't cross the Atlantic.

Privatair was flying 73Gs from IAH-AMS, nonstop. So yes 737s can cross the Atlantic, all the way from Texas.
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RE: DL To Acquire Used 757s?

Fri Jun 15, 2012 10:33 am

Quoting STT757 (Reply 24):
So yes 737s can cross the Atlantic, all the way from Texas.

.......with Aux tanks in the cargo hold.
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RE: DL To Acquire Used 757s?

Fri Jun 15, 2012 11:24 am

Quoting toobz (Reply 22):
73's can't cross the Atlantic.

Not true! Happens everyday.

" Happens every day " ? You make it sound 737 crossing the Atlantic are as common as 767's, no way. 737 operations on the Atlantic are very limited usually only all Business Class with about 40 seats. AS routes have developed they are replaced by regular sized planes like A330's. Right now there are no 737 crossing the Atlantic, there were some flown on behalf of KLM, LH and SWISS. ALL of these have grown to A330's.
 
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RE: DL To Acquire Used 757s?

Fri Jun 15, 2012 11:52 am

.... not in Delta config they can't
 
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RE: DL To Acquire Used 757s?

Fri Jun 15, 2012 11:59 am

Quoting srbmod (Reply 8):
Quoting ba319-131 (Reply 7):
YES, Delta's own 757 are rather aged, they were built over 25 years ago. DL got they some newer ones from NW when merged. The newest are former TWA ones that have high weights and are able to go to Europe.

Delta's 757s are not "rather aged" and the bulk of their fleet (pre-merger) is less than 25 years old.

- I never said they were, I was quoting reply 1.
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RE: DL To Acquire Used 757s?

Fri Jun 15, 2012 12:20 pm

Quoting gothamspotter (Reply 21):

Aren't NA's 757s RR powered? I doubt DL would acquire a small fleet of 757s that aren't Pratt powered.

Quoting CompensateMe (Reply 19):

Replacing 757 with 739? Not so much.

The 757-200 is the 727 of 15 years ago. Unless you are using the aircraft to its full potential (trans-Atlantic, hot and high, etc.), the increased fuel burn just isn't worth it.

I'm not saying that DL wouldn't acquire some used 757s at the right price, but replacing older ones with 739s on domestic routes is justified (sadly).
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RE: DL To Acquire Used 757s?

Fri Jun 15, 2012 2:39 pm

Some of the ex-NWA 5500 aircraft are not being retired as early as originally planned. In fact, 11 of them are getting an interior refurb and will be flying a few more years (I rode on 5532 with new interior, looked really nice) . The 737-900ER will start arriving next year. With 100 on firm order and 30 on option (and it is looking like DL will exercise those 30 options), I see no logical reason to bring any additional 757 aircraft into the fleet. Now with that said, DL does love a bargain, if some really pristine, low time, PW powered ETOPS 757 aircraft came available at a bargain price, they may take them, but how many aircraft meet that criteria and are available? I really don't see any merit to this story / rumor.
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RE: DL To Acquire Used 757s?

Fri Jun 15, 2012 2:58 pm

Quoting KGRB (Reply 29):
The 757-200 is the 727 of 15 years ago. Unless you are using the aircraft to its full potential (trans-Atlantic, hot and high, etc.), the increased fuel burn just isn't worth it.

New planes cost a lot of money. If you can get a great deal on a modern aircraft (and the 757 is still a relatively modern aircraft), it makes sense to add it to your fleet. Especially with more efficient airplanes hitting the market in just a few years.
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RE: DL To Acquire Used 757s?

Fri Jun 15, 2012 5:07 pm

Quoting B757forever (Reply 30):
Some of the ex-NWA 5500 aircraft are not being retired as early as originally planned. In fact, 11 of them are getting an interior refurb and will be flying a few more years (I rode on 5532 with new interior, looked really nice) . The 737-900ER will start arriving next year. With 100 on firm order and 30 on option (and it is looking like DL will exercise those 30 options), I see no logical reason to bring any additional 757 aircraft into the fleet. Now with that said, DL does love a bargain, if some really pristine, low time, PW powered ETOPS 757 aircraft came available at a bargain price, they may take them, but how many aircraft meet that criteria and are available? I really don't see any merit to this story / rumor.

What does the new interior look like? Did DL install the bin extensions? Curved ceiling panels? New PSUs?
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RE: DL To Acquire Used 757s?

Fri Jun 15, 2012 5:32 pm

Quoting DocLightning (Reply 18):

Why would they want to replace their older 757's with more 757's? Wouldn't a 739 make more sense? They don't need that many 757-power aircraft.

Short-term replacements, as the delivery schedule for the 737-900ERs is 2013-2018. Plus these a/c are not just solely replacing the 757-200s, as in the press release announcing the order, Delta mentioned that they would also be replacing some of the 767-300s and A320s.

http://news.delta.com/index.php?s=43&item=1428

Quote:
As a result of maintenance efficiencies and a 15 to 20 percent improvement in fuel consumption per seat, the Boeing 737-900ER will have lower unit costs than the older technology Boeing 757 and 767 and Airbus A320 aircraft that it will replace.

The 737-900ER order is only replacing part of the 757-200 fleet. Any add-on 737 orders will likely be for the 737 MAX to replace additional 757s and A320 family a/c (and likely the oldest 737-800s). Not too mention they still have to replace their MD-88 fleet as well and with some shifting around, they could put some of the 757s on routes the MD-88s currently fly. I don't see DL completely retiring the 757 from the fleet for at least another 10 years or so seeing as the newest ones are barely 10-12 years old.

Quoting ba319-131 (Reply 28):
Quoting srbmod (Reply 8):
Quoting ba319-131 (Reply 7):
YES, Delta's own 757 are rather aged, they were built over 25 years ago. DL got they some newer ones from NW when merged. The newest are former TWA ones that have high weights and are able to go to Europe.

Delta's 757s are not "rather aged" and the bulk of their fleet (pre-merger) is less than 25 years old.

- I never said they were, I was quoting reply 1.

A bit hard to tell considering the reply you were quoting was not contained in the quote box. My mistake.
 
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RE: DL To Acquire Used 757s?

Sat Jun 16, 2012 1:06 am

Quoting 1337Delta764 (Reply 32):
What does the new interior look like? Did DL install the bin extensions? Curved ceiling panels? New PSUs?

All new laminates on the monuments, all sidewalls re-laminated, all non-laminated interior parts painted the DL "cloud white" color, new sculpted ceiling panels, cool white lighting, refurbished seats., refurbished PSUs. Quite honestly I really did not look closely at the overhead bins but it seemed to me they did not have the Heath Tecna extensions, but I could be wrong there. Overall very nice inside.
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RE: DL To Acquire Used 757s?

Sat Jun 16, 2012 3:33 am

Quoting gothamspotter (Reply 21):
73's can't cross the Atlantic.

How many TATL 757's does DL need? Enough that they can't afford to retire any of their 757's without replacing them with more 757's? I think not.
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