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Where To Buy A B747?

Sat Jun 16, 2012 10:51 am

Hi everybody,

Maybe some of you can help me. I'm looking to purchase an old Boeing 747. Preferably an aircraft from the -100, -200 or -SP series.

I've scouted the Internet to try an find places, where I can buy such an aircraft but can't quite work it out.

Should I call some airplane graveyards or do any of you know where I might find a seller of a B747?


Thanks in advance.

Kind regards,
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RE: Where To Buy A B747?

Sat Jun 16, 2012 12:30 pm

Hi Nicholas and welcome to A.net!

Are you looking for an airworthy frame or a retired one? I think this will influence where you have to look.

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RE: Where To Buy A B747?

Sat Jun 16, 2012 1:26 pm

Can I ask what you want to do with it?
Not everyday someone wants to buy a 747 for the kids playhouse.
How much would one sell for anyways
 
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RE: Where To Buy A B747?

Sat Jun 16, 2012 3:11 pm

I'll play along.

Quoting MauriceB (Reply 3):
but a pax version is a whole different story

There's a 1986 pax -200 listed out there for $4.5M.....

http://www.controller.com/listingsde...0/1986-BOEING-747-200/1241661.htm?


The Sands SP was advertised for a while back in 2010.....

http://www.flightglobal.com/airspace...-for-sale-some-inetrior-46279.aspx


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RE: Where To Buy A B747?

Sat Jun 16, 2012 3:17 pm

These two (Korean and Qantas) are gone. I don't think there is any SP left at Marana.
 
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RE: Where To Buy A B747?

Sat Jun 16, 2012 4:35 pm

Assuming you are not trolling, the question is what do you want to do with it. Are you looking to start OPS with it or looking for a shell to make it into a house?
If you are looking for an airworthy aircraft, have considered leasing? Apparently leases are currently very cheap. See this thread
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RE: Where To Buy A B747?

Sat Jun 16, 2012 4:46 pm

Quoting Devilfish (Reply 3):
There's a 1986 pax -200 listed out there for $4.5M.....

http://www.controller.com/listingsde....htm?

That should be a good offer.... checked google and found from $2.0M for a B742 also

http://www.globalplanesearch.com/jets/airliners/boeing/747_200.htm

At first thinking reading about the entry to the Thread is Transaero (UN/TSO). Have been a couple of time in Moscow DME and used it also as Transit and seen they still have there B747-200 that is out of service!

http://transaero.ru/en/help/feedback/popularcontacts

Quoting toering (Reply 2):
Can I ask what you want to do with it?

That is interesting to me also  
 
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RE: Where To Buy A B747?

Sat Jun 16, 2012 6:42 pm

Buying a derelict 747, if that's waht you want, is cheap, very cheap (Think less than the price of a good used car). But it's not easy as you have to move it and that is very, very expensive.

Airworthy is very easy but also very expensive.
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RE: Where To Buy A B747?

Sat Jun 16, 2012 6:57 pm

Quoting IMissPiedmont (Reply 8):
But it's not easy as you have to move it and that is very, very expensive.

I guess so to... but question is: If you buy a 747 in the US and transport it to Europe, it's possible you get the tax back you pay on it? Or is it with airplanes different?
 
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RE: Where To Buy A B747?

Sat Jun 16, 2012 6:57 pm

Well well well, this is a very surprising thread.

Quoting nicoj (Thread starter):
Maybe some of you can help me. I'm looking to purchase an old Boeing 747. Preferably an aircraft from the -100, -200 or -SP series.

I hope you have a lot of money sir, because no matter what it's going to be expensive.

Quoting dcaviation (Reply 4):
I don't think there is any SP left at Marana.

They were all scrapped at MZJ.

Quoting IMissPiedmont (Reply 8):
Buying a derelict 747, if that's waht you want, is cheap, very cheap (Think less than the price of a good used car). But it's not easy as you have to move it and that is very, very expensive.

Airworthy is very easy but also very expensive.

Also getting the engines, painting, maintenance, finding a home for it, etc etc etc,

You could be looking at an extra $3+mil added to the cost of the frame itself.

But however, once you find it, I hope you give all of A.net a ride on it  
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RE: Where To Buy A B747?

Sat Jun 16, 2012 7:04 pm

Get a Rolls-Royce engined SP The sound will be worth it!

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RE: Where To Buy A B747?

Sat Jun 16, 2012 7:14 pm

Quoting PHX787 (Reply 10):
But however, once you find it, I hope you give all of A.net a ride on it  

prefer a ride in it then on it   - but a nice one  

If Nicholas will get one and that doesn't matter to where, I will come with my vacuum cleaner!!! Arrange the seat belts, pillows, check the pockets (safety card's, board magazine, etc.....)

But let's wait till Nicholas will tell us for what reason he would like to buy a 747!!!!  
 
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RE: Where To Buy A B747?

Sat Jun 16, 2012 7:25 pm

Quoting B738FlyUIA (Reply 13):
prefer a ride in it then on it - but a nice one

Just get me some of them goggles and a body suit and a reaaaallly strong teather line then we're all set!  

(I see my mistake -_-)
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RE: Where To Buy A B747?

Sat Jun 16, 2012 8:02 pm

Quoting PHX787 (Reply 14):
ust get me some of them goggles and a body suit and a reaaaallly strong teather line then we're all set!  

(I see my mistake -_-)

You really think that the B742 will do down like in Airport ’77 ?   
 
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RE: Where To Buy A B747?

Sat Jun 16, 2012 8:04 pm

Hi everybody,  

Thank you so much for your replies.

So I can't tell you that much about the project, as nothing is sure yet, but I will of course keep you all up to date.  
I can, however, tell you it has something to do with a conversion.

So far, it's all about finding a B747 that is mega cheap, and that can be flown to Europe.

I will check out the Trans Aero and the other links that you have sent me. Good input in regards to the D-check.

Personally, I'd love a 747SP. But that would probably be out of the price range that I'm thinking about.


Do any of you think it is unrealistic to find a run down 747 between $200.000-400.000? -Including getting it transported to Europe?
 
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RE: Where To Buy A B747?

Sat Jun 16, 2012 8:55 pm

Okay, why not.

Quoting nicoj (Reply 16):
Do any of you think it is unrealistic to find a run down 747 between $200.000-400.000? -Including getting it transported to Europe?

Exceedingly.

To get a 747 of even the lowest value to a specific place which it is not already at is a minimum of $3-5 Million. That is the absolute minimum. To fly it somewhere it has to be airworthy, insured, and have a crew. Even a 747-200 that's still relatively complete but ready for scrap is worth more than what you're budgeting - without engines.

[Edited 2012-06-16 13:57:37]
 
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RE: Where To Buy A B747?

Sat Jun 16, 2012 9:05 pm

Quoting Devilfish (Reply 17):
Do any of you think it is unrealistic to find a run down 747 between $200.000-400.000? -Including getting it transported to Europe?

Yes.That's higher than the scrap metal value of the airframe, regardless of the engines.

At that price and considering you want to "convert" it into something and not fly it, if that "conversion" is interesting to them your best bet is to approach an operator for a donation, if the project hits their fancy...

...but to be honest, short of a museum project I don't think they'll fall over themselves to help you.
 
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RE: Where To Buy A B747?

Sat Jun 16, 2012 9:11 pm

Quoting nicoj (Reply 16):
Do any of you think it is unrealistic to find a run down 747 between $200.000-400.000? -Including getting it transported to Europe?

As others have stated above - if you intend to fly it to Europe this cost is unrealistic.

However, if you were to find a 747 that you could acquire that was essentially at a port location and could be loaded on an ocean going barge, and your European destination was also similarly at a port location; then I do in fact think you could transport such a plane to Europe for $200,000 - $400,000 the cost you are looking at from many places in the world. Of course - it would take at least 2 weeks and perhaps as much as 4 months to get there.

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RE: Where To Buy A B747?

Sat Jun 16, 2012 9:39 pm

Hmm, what about the James Bond/Casino Royale 747 sitting at Dunsfold? I doubt if it's airworthy, but I'd think could be transported if it was broken down a bit.
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RE: Where To Buy A B747?

Sat Jun 16, 2012 10:01 pm

Quoting AeroWesty (Reply 23):
Hmm, what about the James Bond/Casino Royale 747 sitting at Dunsfold? I doubt if it's airworthy, but I'd think could be transported if it was broken down a bit.

Are there any boneyards in Europe? Couldn't he just check there?
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RE: Where To Buy A B747?

Sat Jun 16, 2012 10:24 pm

Quoting chuchoteur (Reply 20):
...but to be honest, short of a museum project I don't think they'll fall over themselves to help you.

Heh, heh.....I'm not the one asking for help.  . Though an SP would certainly be a hit with the kids (and the       geeks) in an amusement park or aviation exhibit of some sort.

Quoting 2175301 (Reply 21):

However, if you were to find a 747 that you could acquire that was essentially at a port location and could be loaded on an ocean going barge, and your European destination was also similarly at a port location; then I do in fact think you could transport such a plane

Highly doubtful...but maybe one can be found rotting away forgotten in a remote corner of an unused airfield somewhere in Europe?

Extremely unlikely also that the current dispensation would let go of Saddam's SP.....

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RE: Where To Buy A B747?

Sat Jun 16, 2012 10:28 pm

Quoting PHX787 (Reply 19):
Are there any boneyards in Europe? Couldn't he just check there?

There are several old 747's stored in MSE, and maybe CHR and LDE are worth a visit as well.
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RE: Where To Buy A B747?

Sat Jun 16, 2012 10:32 pm

Quoting PHX787 (Reply 19):
Are there any boneyards in Europe? Couldn't he just check there?

I'm pretty sure I read somewhere about something in the south of France, but can't find anything on it now.
 
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RE: Where To Buy A B747?

Sat Jun 16, 2012 11:14 pm

Quoting Devilfish (Reply 20):
Edit: Posts numbering seems to have gone awry.

One of my posts was deleted because of another getting deleted so that may have something to do with it.

Quoting BasilFawlty (Reply 21):
There are several old 747's stored in MSE, and maybe CHR and LDE are worth a visit as well.

What airlines dumped their 747s there?
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RE: Where To Buy A B747?

Sun Jun 17, 2012 12:11 am

Quoting PHX787 (Reply 23):
What airlines dumped their 747s there?

There's a former KU 742 stored for almost 4 years which is still fairly intact. Most others haven been partly scrapped already.
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RE: Where To Buy A B747?

Sun Jun 17, 2012 1:35 am

Quoting nicoj (Reply 14):
$200.000-400.000? -Including getting it transported to Europe?

Never going to happen as the scrap is worth more. 3-4 million is probably the going rate for a functional 747 (probably would still need a D check, so that would add 1-3 million if not more)
Getting it to Europe is another would probably burn 30000 gallons of fuel, if not more if it some solder 741 or 742, so figure 90-100k USD for that.


I would probably bet the bare minimum to get a certified working 747 over to europe from probably the USA south west will be at least 5 million, probably more like 6-9 when everything is all said and done. Best of luck to this project, I would love to own one of these birds if I had the money to probably campaign one of these.
 
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RE: Where To Buy A B747?

Sun Jun 17, 2012 2:22 am

Quoting nicoj (Reply 14):
Do any of you think it is unrealistic to find a run down 747 between $200.000-400.000? -Including getting it transported to Europe?

Completely unrealistic. Crew, fuel, airworthiness certifications (just for a delivery flight to then decomission it?!), landing fees, insurance, finding a runway and apron space strong enough to hold it that doesn't have other uses, deconstruction of the airframe and transport to wherever you're going to stick it...

Add a few zeroes and maybe start with speaking to serious aircraft brokerages. You might need your $200-$400K just for their time...
 
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RE: Where To Buy A B747?

Sun Jun 17, 2012 4:42 am

I think your best bet would be to make a deal with a scrapper to co-buy a frame, where they buy the frame and deliver it to your site, then salvage all the valuable components you do not need for whatever static use you have. That way It only has to make one "delivery trip" and no repairs and recertifications after hitting the desert. More waiting time though.
 
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RE: Where To Buy A B747?

Sun Jun 17, 2012 5:08 am

Quoting nicoj (Reply 14):
Do any of you think it is unrealistic to find a run down 747 between $200.000-400.000? -Including getting it transported to Europe?

As long as you forget about flight... flight is the expensive part of the equation. But you have not said anything about flying. So let's forget that.

If you buy a 747 shell for $250k and budget $250k for a barge, with a lot of enthusiastic free help, it would seem to be possible to get this done.

For actual flying, charter is the way to go.
 
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RE: Where To Buy A B747?

Sun Jun 17, 2012 6:21 am

Quoting nicoj (Reply 14):
I can, however, tell you it has something to do with a conversion.

For a movie?   


Quoting nicoj (Reply 14):
So far, it's all about finding a B747 that is mega cheap, and that can be flown to Europe.

   As pointed out above, those are mutually exclusive.         
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RE: Where To Buy A B747?

Sun Jun 17, 2012 6:51 am

Quoting BasilFawlty (Reply 21):
There are several old 747's stored in MSE, and maybe CHR and LDE are worth a visit as well.

Kemble should still have a few MK Airlines birds, but I imagine the other 747s have long been dismantled.
I think CHR has two -200s still, from Ocean and Sky Express.
I don't believe LDE has any left.
OST used to have two MK Airlines as well, but I don't know if they're still there.

Quoting PHX787 (Reply 23):
What airlines dumped their 747s there?

Mostly European and Middle Eastern operators. If the goal is parting out, not preservation, the humid weather of Europe isn't an issue and the cost of the final flight is lower compared to flying all the way to the US desert.

At one time or another, 747s from MK Airlines, Air India, Saudi, Air Atlanta, Cathay, Corsair, Kuwait, etc... have made their final landing in Europe.
 
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RE: Where To Buy A B747?

Sun Jun 17, 2012 9:19 am

As an asisde say Micholas found a 747 how much would it cost to repaint?
 
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RE: Where To Buy A B747?

Sun Jun 17, 2012 10:21 am

My, this certainly isn't a topic that gets discussed too often on here. Good luck with the project anyway. Make sure to let us all know how it works out.
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RE: Where To Buy A B747?

Sun Jun 17, 2012 1:41 pm

This thread got me searching. Found a very nice 722 sitting in SA for a nice price, could buy it but how to fuel and crew it is another matter as well a C check and long range tank compliance. Stage 4 hush kits but so could get in into Perth. Qantas do have some 744s available at 26million a piece
 
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RE: Where To Buy A B747?

Sun Jun 17, 2012 6:31 pm

Quoting Devilfish (Reply 20):
Extremely unlikely also that the current dispensation would let go of Saddam's SP.....

God are Iraqis 747s still sitting around from the first gulf war? Thought they would be long gone.
 
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RE: Where To Buy A B747?

Sun Jun 17, 2012 10:42 pm

The only B747 left at Kemble are the 2 B747-200F, last seen 19/05/2012.

However, 4 B747-400 of Air France have been scrapped there is last couple of years.

Does it have to be a flyer.
 
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RE: Where To Buy A B747?

Mon Jun 18, 2012 1:34 pm

A non-flyer is sitting in Lelystad that used to be part of the Aviodrome collection. I am not sure who owns it now, but it is close from the UK,

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RE: Where To Buy A B747?

Mon Jun 18, 2012 2:44 pm

Global Peace Ambassador's -SP is probably available in Tijuana. Needs some work,I hear.
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RE: Where To Buy A B747?

Mon Jun 18, 2012 8:36 pm

Quoting bennett123 (Reply 35):
However, 4 B747-400 of Air France have been scrapped there is last couple of years.

Why would they part the -400s before the -200s? Does it have to do with a higher resale value, thus in a bigger rush to get their hands on parts? Or some other reason I can't think of?
 
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RE: Where To Buy A B747?

Mon Jun 18, 2012 9:13 pm

Quoting United_fan (Reply 37):
Global Peace Ambassador's -SP is probably available in Tijuana. Needs some work,I hear.

It can't fly. It lost it's airworthiness and it's most likely gonna be sold for scrap.
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RE: Where To Buy A B747?

Mon Jun 18, 2012 9:16 pm

Quoting PHX787 (Reply 39):
Quoting United_fan (Reply 37):
Global Peace Ambassador's -SP is probably available in Tijuana. Needs some work,I hear.

It can't fly. It lost it's airworthiness and it's most likely gonna be sold for scrap.

I figured as much . That's too bad. Another -SP bites the dust.
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RE: Where To Buy A B747?

Mon Jun 18, 2012 9:47 pm

Quoting United_fan (Reply 40):
I figured as much . That's too bad. Another -SP bites the dust.

It is, that thing looked like a beautiful aircraft but they've really never maintained it. That thing is so run down and rusted out. It would cost more to replace the whole body of the aircraft than to scrap it.
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RE: Where To Buy A B747?

Mon Jun 18, 2012 10:34 pm

I sent you a message regarding the Boeing 747-100/200/SP's that are available on the market.

Talk to you soon!
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RE: Where To Buy A B747?

Mon Jun 18, 2012 11:27 pm

Blueflyer

That is part of the reason, also iirc MX standards at MK were not the best. Then MK failed in 2009(?).

Given that the company was in receivership adds further legal/ownership issues.

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