Moderators: richierich, ua900, PanAm_DC10, hOMSaR
-
- jetskipper
- Posts: 803
- Joined:
UA Ending IAH-CDG
Starting October 15th, UA (sCAL) will no longer operate IAH-CDG.
RE: UA Ending IAH-CDG
Meaning the flight returns to PMUA metal, or the sector is gone entirely?
RE: UA Ending IAH-CDG
WHAT?!! This is a surprise to me, truly. Does anyone know why the flight will end? What will happen to the spare aircraft? Maybe they could operate it with the 787 once it arrives.
RE: UA Ending IAH-CDG
It's because of Love Field! I mean Hobby Airport! Or...
See we told you!
See we told you!
RE: UA Ending IAH-CDG
I could see this being related to 762 retirement and I could see the 763 sUA going on it. I'd be shocked if they cancelled this route completely. I wouldn't put it past them though.
RE: UA Ending IAH-CDG
UA's thank you gift for AF dropping EWR-CDG?
On a more serious note, there probably is more traffic originating in IAH and going beyond CDG than there is originating in CDG and going beyond IAH. There are many connections available through CDG to Europe, North Africa, the Middle East, and India. I would imagine that the AF flight is especially popular with any oil traffic going to North Africa.
The O&D probably goes to both airlines right now, but perhaps AF is favored for better service.
On a more serious note, there probably is more traffic originating in IAH and going beyond CDG than there is originating in CDG and going beyond IAH. There are many connections available through CDG to Europe, North Africa, the Middle East, and India. I would imagine that the AF flight is especially popular with any oil traffic going to North Africa.
The O&D probably goes to both airlines right now, but perhaps AF is favored for better service.
-
- calpsafltskeds
- Posts: 4064
- Joined:
RE: UA Ending IAH-CDG
Simple, UA is in Star, that's why IAH-FRA was started. CDG was flown when CO was ins SkyTeam. UA can funnel CDG traffic through IAD and EWR. Who knows, maybe it will go seasonal.
RE: UA Ending IAH-CDG
| Quoting CALPSAFltSkeds (Reply 10): CDG was flown when CO was ins SkyTeam. UA can funnel CDG traffic through IAD and EWR. Who knows, maybe it will go seasonal. |
CO flew IAH-CDG yeeeeeeeeeeeaaaaaaaaaars before any of this alliance business started. I know AF goes seasonal in the Jan/Feb timeframe from 6x weekly to daily. AF currently uses a 77W on the route.
RE: UA Ending IAH-CDG
| Quoting STT757 (Reply 7): I don't know exactly, but EWR-CDG is going from 2x daily 757 to 2x daily 1 764, 1 757. |
Another victim of the merger - now that UA/CO has 2.5 European hubs (EWR, IAD, and 0.5 in the form of ORD), the business case for non-star-hub European routes out of IAH without multiple corporate contracts is weakening by the day =(
RE: UA Ending IAH-CDG
Incredible. CDG has been a fixture for years out of IAH, guess this Slimezek run airline is truly seeking to eliminate Houston from their route structure piece by piece. What will leave the schedule next from IAH, NRT, SFO, and EWR? 
You left out MAF and ELP from the HOU-PHX leg!
| Quoting SRT75 (Reply 6): You mean HOU-PHX-LAS-MEX-PTY-CCS? |
You left out MAF and ELP from the HOU-PHX leg!
RE: UA Ending IAH-CDG
Eh, this isn't all that surprising. Wonder if IAH-AMS will be toast next?
RE: UA Ending IAH-CDG
| Quoting tommy767 (Reply 14): Eh, this isn't all that surprising. Wonder if IAH-AMS will be toast next? |
No. UA has corporate contracts on that route and currently operates 764. The rumor has it that this route will be going 787 early on. CDG has been a very weak performer for UA from IAH since they left Skyteam.
RE: UA Ending IAH-CDG
Smisek's favorite saying is that he has no "sacred cows". If a given route isn't performing well, it goes. Plain and simple.
CDG has more than ample service from EWR/ORD/IAD for a SkyTeam hub. Perhaps we will finally see IAH-MUC or ZRH next summer?
CDG has more than ample service from EWR/ORD/IAD for a SkyTeam hub. Perhaps we will finally see IAH-MUC or ZRH next summer?
RE: UA Ending IAH-CDG
Hope that this is being done for rational, not punitive reasons! It is hard for me to believe that their is NO market for IAH-CDG on UA! On the other hand, with the degradation in customer service on the "new" UA, nothing would surprise me. As a longtime CO flyer (1K now) it pains me to see the slide downhill. As consistent as the poor service has been this year, I am starting to believe that this is what management wants.
RE: UA Ending IAH-CDG
| Quoting CODC10 (Reply 16): CDG has more than ample service from EWR/ORD/IAD for a SkyTeam hub. Perhaps we will finally see IAH-MUC or ZRH next summer? |
Anywhere from IAH to Europe is a very long flight and costly to fly. UA is likely maximizing opportunities via the other hubs in order to not operate such expensive sectors. Remember, CO only had two prime international hubs. Now with United they can split the hub flights to Europe between IAH, IAD, EWR, ORD, SFO, LAX.
| Quoting drerx7 (Reply 15): |
I'd be concerned since AMS is a major sky team hub.
RE: UA Ending IAH-CDG
This just chaps my A**. There is no way UA can't make a daily flight to Paris work from Houston. That is like saying you can't get a monkey to eat a banana.
If UA can't make a daily Houston-Paris flight work, they have some serious issues on their hands. If they are doing it in retaliation to WN over at HOU, then I will renounce my flying on them.
If UA can't make a daily Houston-Paris flight work, they have some serious issues on their hands. If they are doing it in retaliation to WN over at HOU, then I will renounce my flying on them.
RE: UA Ending IAH-CDG
CDG is a weak performer for a lot of people who arnt in the Skyteam alliance.
RE: UA Ending IAH-CDG
| Quoting DFWHeavy (Reply 20): This just chaps my A**. There is no way UA can't make a daily flight to Paris work from Houston. That is like saying you can't get a monkey to eat a banana. |
It's really not as bad as you would think. Europe's ecnonomy is in the s***er and weak performers get dropped. UA even dropped EWR-CPH and made EWR-FCO, IAD-DME only seasonal -- First time they have ever done this.
RE: UA Ending IAH-CDG
| Quoting DFWHeavy (Reply 20): There is no way UA can't make a daily flight to Paris work from Houston. |
Actually, there is a way: exiting Skyteam, Brent crude hovering around $100 a barrel, and no connecting traffic at the termination point means United will (and rightly so) cut its losses and deploy the aircraft elsewhere; or send them to desert in the 767-200ER's case.
RE: UA Ending IAH-CDG
| Quoting STT757 (Reply 7): I don't know exactly, but EWR-CDG is going from 2x daily 757 to 2x daily 1 764, 1 757 |
EWR was downgraded to a 757 for the last couple of months, and is supposed to go back to a 764 in Jan...EWR was always a wide body on at least 1 segment until this year...its about time they got it back.
-
- 2travel2know2
- Posts: 3371
- Joined:
RE: UA Ending IAH-CDG
PAR has been a Continental destination a very long time. Seeing it go completely because UA is sad and upsetting.
UA is saying that IAH-CDG can't even support seasonal 4 per week service any-more?
IAH-OSL would be interesting for Houston and Norway oil sector, same as an IAH-GLA or EDI (depending which city has more oil-related business) .
UA is saying that IAH-CDG can't even support seasonal 4 per week service any-more?
| Quoting CODC10 (Reply 16): Perhaps we will finally see IAH-MUC or ZRH next summer? |
IAH-OSL would be interesting for Houston and Norway oil sector, same as an IAH-GLA or EDI (depending which city has more oil-related business) .
RE: UA Ending IAH-CDG
| Quoting 2travel2know2 (Reply 31): |
Oil is $100 a barrel. Surely you've been paying attention to that? Houston - Oslo? I mean really?
RE: UA Ending IAH-CDG
| Quoting 2travel2know2 (Reply 31): |
Absolutely not. A 757 wouldn't make it -- it can barely do EWR-OSL
-
- LAXdude1023
- Posts: 8468
- Joined:
RE: UA Ending IAH-CDG
Well, on one hand I feel somewhat vendicated. I mentioned a few months ago on a seperate thread that IAH-CDG was the one European route out of IAH on UA/CO that lost money and had for a long time. I had very reliable data on that as well.
On the other hand, Im sad to see this one go. Its been around for so many years. Perhaps its just seasonal?
On the other hand, Im sad to see this one go. Its been around for so many years. Perhaps its just seasonal?
RE: UA Ending IAH-CDG
I am curious where the op got their source. I have not seen an official announcement posted either internally or externally re: IAH-CDG.
-
- LAXdude1023
- Posts: 8468
- Joined:
RE: UA Ending IAH-CDG
| Quoting LAXdude1023 (Reply 37): Well, on one hand I feel somewhat vendicated. I mentioned a few months ago on a seperate thread that IAH-CDG was the one European route out of IAH on UA/CO that lost money and had for a long time. I had very reliable data on that as well. |
I do remember you saying this and it came to mind when I read this news. Still somewhat of a shock, you'd think that they'd at least reduce it to less-than daily or make it seasonal.
| Quoting 2travel2know2 (Reply 31): IAH-OSL would be interesting for Houston and Norway oil sector, same as an IAH-GLA or EDI (depending which city has more oil-related business) . |
I thought that UA 38/39 actually had originated in IAH as a direct flight between IAH and OSL. Or maybe I'm hearing things - I looked this up and it wasn't the case.
Also, just FYI - oil related business doesn't necessarily drive traffic onto nonstop flights. Many people in the industry fly on private aircraft or corporate jets - not just commercial airlines.
RE: UA Ending IAH-CDG
| Quoting avi8 (Reply 2): What will happen to the spare aircraft? |
I've heard rumors that the aircraft will either be moved to ORD to upgauge ORD-BRU or that UA will open IAH-BRU. I would take both with a grain of salt, however.
The rumors about IAH-BRU have been going around for months, if not year, and BRU definitively isn't an oil platform on the same level as CDG or AMS (just a few connections to second-tier African oil producers). BRU does well as a secondary European Star hub for UA on the other hand.
I am somewhat skeptical of the ORD-BRU theory as well. UA does very well upfront to BRU. Substituting a 764 for a 763 adds 9 seats in Business, but loses First entirely, and First to BRU is a moneymaker on the three current flights.
| Quoting tommy767 (Reply 19): I'd be concerned since AMS is a major sky team hub. |
Corporate contracts. As long as UA has these contracts, the flight isn't going anywhere. If the competition (say KLM) gets them, the flight will be canceled in a nanosecond.
[Edited 2012-06-29 07:55:16]
-
- LAXdude1023
- Posts: 8468
- Joined:
RE: UA Ending IAH-CDG
| Quoting blueflyer (Reply 42): I've heard rumors that the aircraft will either be moved to ORD to operate ORD-BRU or that UA will open IAH-BRU. I would take both with a grain of salt, however. |
If this had anything to do with opening a new route out of IAH, they would have done it at the same time to minimize bad press. Its much easier for the loyal UA fliers in IAH to swallow a flight being moved from Paris to Brussels than a flight to Paris being canned outright.
| Quoting IrishAyes (Reply 41): I do remember you saying this and it came to mind when I read this news. |
Yeah, I had a couple of UA and IAH loyalists jumping on me for that. Oh well.
RE: UA Ending IAH-CDG
| Quoting DFWHeavy (Reply 20): If UA can't make a daily Houston-Paris flight work, they have some serious issues on their hands. If they are doing it in retaliation to WN over at HOU, then I will renounce my flying on them. |
UA wouldn't cut a route that makes money just to get back at Houston for allowing WN international routes. They are cutting a non-stop to CDG from IAH because they can easily funnel any of their passengers through their other hubs in a more cost effective way. Smisek , like the Spirit CEO has stated, if a route doesn't make money - its gone , pure and simple.
While many might disgree , I am happy to see UA is being actively managed on its route structure to maintain profitability.
-
- redzeppelin
- Posts: 1215
- Joined:
RE: UA Ending IAH-CDG
| Quoting cat3dual (Reply 18): Just realized my mistake; misread it as IAD. Hadn't had my coffee yet before I replied. |
| Quoting kgaiflyer (Reply 27): Ooops My bad. I misread the header. |
What is it about IAH and IAD getting mixed up? A DL phone agent I spoke to a few months ago had the same issue. My flight out of IAH was cancelled, and when I called in to re-book, she tried to put me on a flight ex-IAD! Luckily I recognized that the flight number she quoted to me was mainline, and I knew that DL didn't have any mainline flights from IAH to SLC at the time.
RE: UA Ending IAH-CDG
| Quoting blueflyer (Reply 42): The rumors about IAH-BRU have been going around for months, if not year, and BRU definitively isn't an oil platform on the same level as CDG or AMS (just a few connections to second-tier African oil producers). BRU does well as a secondary European Star hub for UA on the other hand. |
Definitely doubt IAH-BRU. Too risky when they already fly IAD, EWR, ORD to BRU.
RE: UA Ending IAH-CDG
| Quoting tommy767 (Reply 46): Definitely doubt IAH-BRU. Too risky when they already fly IAD, EWR, ORD to BRU. |
That's why the 787 is perfect for UA. Instead of concentrating on a couple 777s out of the East Coast, they could do 787s from EWR+IAD+ORD+IAH. IAH-CDG could re-appear under this strategy, and IAH-BRU may pop up.
Same for the Pacific. PMUA trumped DL by bypassing NRT. The next evolution for UA+CO is to have a full route network that bypasses SFO too. At the very least, complete the missing links to ICN and PEK.
-
- Type-Rated
- Posts: 3901
- Joined:
RE: UA Ending IAH-CDG
| Quoting FSDan (Reply 9): On a more serious note, there probably is more traffic originating in IAH and going beyond CDG than there is originating in CDG and going beyond IAH. |
That's exactly right. Air France is big with the oil companies (like ExxonMobil, Chevron) to send workers to/from Africa/Russia via CDG. A lot of oil employees have huge AF frequent flyer accounts.
Either AF will add more flights daily, increase the gauge of the aircraft or another carrier will step in. Maybe AA?
-
- point2point
- Posts: 2093
- Joined:
RE: UA Ending IAH-CDG
Hey.....
Maybe, since there's a spare bird now here, UA can get another $22M in rent breaks, paydowns, debt-forgiveness, whatever, from DEN, and then DEN can get its own UA DEN-CDG route?
Just thinking out loud here, eh?
Maybe, since there's a spare bird now here, UA can get another $22M in rent breaks, paydowns, debt-forgiveness, whatever, from DEN, and then DEN can get its own UA DEN-CDG route?
Just thinking out loud here, eh?
Who is online
Users browsing this forum: 11C, 13ifs40, A359bw, aga, airlittoralguy, Bing [Bot], carlokiii, DanieusBR, Falcon Flyer, fieldInner, Fiver, floridaflyboy, flyer56, GCT64, GSP psgr, Heavierthanair, hkg82, JerseyFlyer, jetskipper, kriskim, LH779, LLA001, northwest_guy, NW747, SgtBarone, Starfuryt, tristans, utaussiefan, visual8L, VS11, wrcairline and 266 guests