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RE: Turkish Aviation July 2012

Wed Jul 18, 2012 5:33 am

Quoting TK1244 (Reply 100):
Wasn't it the Turkish government who blocked his expansion and later closed his aircraft manufacturing plants?

That is true. First, Turk Hava Kurumu cancelled orders. Then, his private property was condemned including test runways in Besiktas, factory in Besiktas, Yesilkoy airport etc. Then, government but ban on exportation of planes to other countries (which had orders from Egypt, Iran, Spain etc.). Last but not least, already built planes were scrapped.   

Must be definition of antagonism
 
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RE: Turkish Aviation July 2012

Thu Jul 19, 2012 6:03 am

I have heard more rumors about 748i orders. It shaped 11, 8 pax and 3 freighter. Hope it is true 
 
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RE: Turkish Aviation July 2012

Thu Jul 19, 2012 6:20 am

Quoting MeCe (Reply 102):

would look nice in TK logo .. If the order is 8 passanger plane and assuming that 340s will leave the fleet in next few years ,it is more likely to be considered fleet renewal instead of serious capacity increase isnt it ?
 
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RE: Turkish Aviation July 2012

Thu Jul 19, 2012 10:59 am

Quoting NuD38 (Reply 101):
That is true. First, Turk Hava Kurumu cancelled orders. Then, his private property was condemned including test runways in Besiktas, factory in Besiktas, Yesilkoy airport etc. Then, government but ban on exportation of planes to other countries (which had orders from Egypt, Iran, Spain etc.). Last but not least, already built planes were scrapped.   

Must be definition of antagonism

Now I get your user name  

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RE: Turkish Aviation July 2012

Thu Jul 19, 2012 12:28 pm

Quoting umit (Reply 103):
would look nice in TK logo .. If the order is 8 passanger plane and assuming that 340s will leave the fleet in next few years ,it is more likely to be considered fleet renewal instead of serious capacity increase isnt it



May be not that far   Bytheway it is another rumor...
 
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RE: Turkish Aviation July 2012

Thu Jul 19, 2012 1:22 pm

TK is increasing VCE from 14 to 17xw, FCO from 18xw to 21xw eff from W12/13
 
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RE: Turkish Aviation July 2012

Thu Jul 19, 2012 1:57 pm

IST-FIH begins on TK Aug 27, initially 4 weekly. Source : http://www.turkishairlines.com/tr-tr...ler/13094/yeni-ucuslarimiz-kinsasa
 
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RE: Turkish Aviation July 2012

Thu Jul 19, 2012 3:39 pm

lefty ... first of all, thanks for taking the time to do the detailed point-by-point reply. and for the great [convincing ] response too!

Quoting leftyboarder (Reply 93):
Although the main objective is to focus on the transit market, a new airport would still have to cater for O&D, and to be honest a Silivri location makes this very difficult for quite a percentage of Istanbul population - Silivri is for example 95 kms from Atasehir, a suburb to the east by no means the easternmost. This is around 65 kms for the selected site. (Please bear in mind that I don't support or oppose the site selection yet).

true - but the geography of Istanbul itself [the vast sprawl towards both east and west] somewhat dictates that it will be very hard to support the entire city and Asian and European suburbs from one airport. The O&D is probably dominated by the main city ... and thus the European side will win out. But is there an alternative to not expanding SAW ... even with the best rail systems (after Marmaray comes online), the new airport will be FAR from the eastern fringes ...

Quoting leftyboarder (Reply 93):
It sure can, but for how long? These are band-aid solutions to a chronic issue. Eventually the new barrier will be reached. SAW is not an alternative to IST. You have to see that a two-airport hub would never work for what TK is trying to achieve. Even AF at CDG an ORY or BA at LHR and LGW can't offer hassle-free transfers between airports.

I agree that these are indeed band-aid solutions ... can only cover for a few years or at best a decade maybe. TK surely needs a strong one-airport hub ... I guess Istanbul will finally have a large hub as a replacement for IST and a secondary airport in the east for LCCs and reliever flights?

Quoting leftyboarder (Reply 93):
If you ask me - though I am no expert of course - the military site here is a much better option. Closer to the city, empty, with freeways passing next to it:

https://maps.google.com/?ll=41.098887,28.842201&spn=0.096761,0.256119&t=h&z=13

Very interesting - I wonder why this is never discussed? Is it because it is a military area and thus a no-no for such a discussion? They will surely fight to not let it go for civilian uses.   
 
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RE: Turkish Aviation July 2012

Fri Jul 20, 2012 4:46 am

Quoting ASA (Reply 108):

Very interesting - I wonder why this is never discussed? Is it because it is a military area and thus a no-no for such a discussion? They will surely fight to not let it go for civilian uses.

Probably because this http://www.batisehir.com/ and other housing projects will fill that area. Maybe they will only built that one project there but I wouldn't be surprised if TOKI filled it with more high density residential over the next few years.
 
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RE: Turkish Aviation July 2012

Fri Jul 20, 2012 10:16 am

I very much think that an expansion of IST is the best solution for Istanbul's airport problem. Not only is the location better than the other options, infrastructure and hotels are already in place, cost-wise it would be cheaper than a new airport and the environmental damage would not be increased.

In my opinion, the best option is to expand Atatürk airport over the areas where presently Istanbul WTC (Dünya Ticaret Merkezi), and the Tax Free Zone (Serbest Bölgesi) are located. That would give another possible 1 or 2 runways. The take-over of the military apron and museum would also contribute into more airport space. Finally, I would like to see a lot of the surrounding freeways and roads around the airport underground in tunnels.

With those kind of changes, I think it would solve Istanbul's airport problem for the next 30-40 years.

Quoting ASA (Reply 90):
What about expansion of IST into the Marmara ... it will need to destroy the neighborhoods south of the current airport, but that cost seems to be much lower than any of the other options. Can't such an expansion include 1/2 new runways and new terminal space? The airport will look similar to SFO or NCE when completed

I would love to see an expansion like that. Unfortunately, it doesn't seem feasible.

Quoting TK787 (Reply 82):
My concerns are as follows on the new airport;
Quoting TK787 (Reply 82):
"Measure twice, cut once" is not how its done in Turkey. "Figure it out as you go along" (hallederiz!) is how things are done.Istanbul is not known for great parks, eco friendly industries, bike lanes, convenient subway systems, hassle free traffic...So, if it sounds too good to be true, it usually is. 3 years to complete a terminal in the middle of nowhere with connecting roads, bridges, cargo facilities and convince airlines to fly there????.....a tall order.

I share exactly the same concerns. Istanbul is already now struggling with the subway/metro connection and expansion. Just imagine a much bigger project with also freeways & roads, trains?, boats? hotels? markets? shopping-malls? and how that should all be connected with Istanbul's present conditions.
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RE: Turkish Aviation July 2012

Sat Jul 21, 2012 8:45 am

I came across this on Wikipedia ? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turkish_Airlines If you have a look it says TK has on order 23 77W ,15 A333 and 5A332 ? Do they know something we all here don't or is this a BIG mistake ?
 
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RE: Turkish Aviation July 2012

Sat Jul 21, 2012 9:12 am

Quoting TK773ER (Reply 110):

Guess its a big mistake. I am betting 11 748i like mentioned before and additional 10 A333 
 
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RE: Turkish Aviation July 2012

Sat Jul 21, 2012 10:16 am

Quoting TK773ER (Reply 110):
23 77W ,15 A333 and 5A332

Huh, that's very close to my wishlist:
18 777 (18 77W + 8 77L)
15 333
10 332
Somebody seems to take very serious (too serious) what i am saying, hehehe.
 
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RE: Turkish Aviation July 2012

Sat Jul 21, 2012 11:55 am

And TLV gets increased from 25w to 30w sept 1st to 32w oct 1st. This is surprising...
 
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RE: Turkish Aviation July 2012

Sat Jul 21, 2012 12:45 pm

I am greedy, wishing for 14 748, 12 77W and 11 333  
 
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RE: Turkish Aviation July 2012

Mon Jul 23, 2012 8:05 am

Yet more destinations from TK:

Esfahan
Kermanshah
Mombasa
Luxembourg
Aden
Luanda....

Source: http://www.kap.gov.tr/yay/Bildirim/Bildirim.aspx?id=224429

Add these to already announced following:

Kinshasa
Houston
Djibouti
Douala
Gandja
Hurghada
Constanta
Male
Marseille
Niamey
Nouakchott
Sabha
Sharm-el-Sheikh
Tallinn
Ouagadougou
Vilnius
Yaounde
A Coruna (suspect)
Abuja
Buenos Aires
Kano
 
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RE: Turkish Aviation July 2012

Mon Jul 23, 2012 10:04 am

I asked TK whether they would consider the 748 due to it's cargo carrying capacity. They said the 773 was good enough.

I think TK are realising the limitations of the 333 fleet. Great all up to LHR/DXB / BOM but when they fly 10 hrs they are pulling cargo and belly hold cargo a huge money spinner for them.

My Dutch source tells me that if you are full with Pax then the a380 is the way to go, if you are shifting tons of belly hold then the 748 is the way forward. Turkey being a trading nation woukd logically go firnthe 748..... But he adds that politics buys the plane ..... But we all know that.

My Turkish source tells me that the a333 will make a comeback on the DAR-IST sector , which might mean they have a cargo contract? The 739's are really comfortable in Economy, but they have a cooling issue. And even with the 150 seat config, they are really at the end of the (commercial) range of a 739 at 7 hrs.

As for TGS, those guys are on a go slow. They don't seem to realise that there is a global economic meltdown and the figures are not that great. So they struck, got fired and their buddies are stuffing the airline by slowing it down. On a tight turn around you never know if your bag will make it or not due to the slowdown. Let's hope management and TGS sort it.
 
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RE: Turkish Aviation July 2012

Mon Jul 23, 2012 10:48 am

Quoting leftyboarder (Reply 115):

more more.....
also
Kilimanjaro.

Even though these will be tag ons, is there really a need to fly to all; Nairobi, Kilimanjaro and Mombasa, which are within 300km of each other?

When TK decided to double the number of destinations in Africa from 17 to 35, we knew this was coming up. Especially when TK is limited to fly only where its 739ERs can reach.
 
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RE: Turkish Aviation July 2012

Mon Jul 23, 2012 1:53 pm

Quoting TK787 (Reply 117):
more more.....
also
Kilimanjaro.

The more the better; as long as they can fill the a/c and handle the traffic at IST.

BTW, a 300 km drive usually feels like a 1000 km journey on most African roads...
 
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RE: Turkish Aviation July 2012

Mon Jul 23, 2012 2:10 pm

Rumor: Delta To Suspend IST Operations? (by firiko Jul 22 2012 in Civil Aviation)
We all knew this might be coming.
Off to JFK for TK2 now, flying Y+, will tell you more about it tomorrow. Bye!
 
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RE: Turkish Aviation July 2012

Mon Jul 23, 2012 3:27 pm

I see that TK is removing JFK-IST 002 and IST-JFK 011 flights off the schedule starting Nov 2012 and I hope they keep 777 year round for TK 012. This makes a lot more sense, TK 002 is simply too early for most to get off work and trying to catch the flight, let alone connecting from other parts of US (in the past this is the only flight with Comfort Class from East Coast US), TK 011, OTOH, arrives at JFK too late for any onward connections. Now their JFK schedule looks a lot more like EK's.
 
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RE: Turkish Aviation July 2012

Mon Jul 23, 2012 6:21 pm

Kilimanjaro and Mombasa are very clever. KIA opens up the tanzania safari circuit and breaks the KLM hegemony. Qr are coming in there too.

MOmbasa is just getting tourists in on a schedule rather than a charter.. After the bombings- so many airlines pulled out.

Now it all makes sense. The A333 will fly to KIA and then on to DAR a la KLM.

The Turks operate 738 to 5.5 hrs 739 to 7hrs and a333 beyond that. JHB is often a 343.. They operate what they need to when the load builds up. What I find interesting is that Lufthansa operate a321's with massive business class to west Africa to reduce pax numbers and increase range, but the Turks have chosen to do it on B739's. V interesting.
 
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RE: Turkish Aviation July 2012

Mon Jul 23, 2012 9:30 pm

On TK2,
Comfort class is less than 20%full.
Preboarding/boarding problems again.
4pm boarding but no announcement till 4:30pm.
People lined up anyways.
At least this time after children and families, they boarded the premium pax first, called section C.
Inside plane not super clean.
Blanket here, open slippers there.
FAs handed out everything in a hurry an disappeared already.
Still on the ground.
More tomorrow.
 
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RE: Turkish Aviation July 2012

Tue Jul 24, 2012 2:16 am

Quoting TK787 (Reply 122):
On TK2,

Have a nice flight!
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RE: Turkish Aviation July 2012

Tue Jul 24, 2012 12:10 pm

Well in Istanbul ,working already.
After we took off, everything was very predictable.
FA's rushing through the service, handing out a bottle of water and disappear till the second meal.
Cabin temperature hot as always.
I counted only 11 J pax, Y was close 90%, and in Comfort 20-30%.
I could hardly understand our pilot.
I was able to make phone calls, listen to music till after we took off. No FA's coming around to make sure
people are buckled up nor phones are off.
Food average as best. Portion size on the hazelnuts getting smaller and smaller.
FA's doing minimal effort to interact with pax.
After landing at IST, taxied all the way to the Technic and parked sideways. Literally no place to park.
But passport control was a breeze.

That is my report. At least TK is consistent.
 
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RE: Turkish Aviation July 2012

Tue Jul 24, 2012 5:27 pm

So its true.

Delta makes IST seasonal. No service between Nov 17 and March 30th.
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RE: Turkish Aviation July 2012

Wed Jul 25, 2012 6:02 am

What is it with the hot cabin?

The a333 to Istanbul was hot. The 739 to Dar was hot.
The 738 to Istanbul was hot. Is this a money making procedure?
I will switch to LX if I have to to avoid the hot cabins.
 
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RE: Turkish Aviation July 2012

Wed Jul 25, 2012 11:36 am

Quoting LAXintl (Reply 125):

Wow, it could be the end of an era. DL out of IST.
Like at said on the other thread, we can see TK getting serious and going 3 x daily year around, or UA might switch to daily or daily 777. TK is in a great position!

About TK2 yesterday, before the flight at the gate, one of the pilots was checking his paperwork and we had a small conversation. He shared the flight plan with me, showed the actual route we were to take and happy that I had interest in it. It is always cool to find TK pilots that are approachable.

Quoting turkishraf (Reply 126):
hot cabins.

TK2 was unbearable at times. I had tshirt and shorts on and was really uncomfortable. The reason is to put people to sleep with heat so FA's can go to sleep.
Next time I am going to go up to the panel and drop the temp setting!
 
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RE: Turkish Aviation July 2012

Wed Jul 25, 2012 12:25 pm

Quoting TK787 (Reply 127):
Next time I am going to go up to the panel and drop the temp setting!

Or you can ask one of the crew to adjust the cabin tempreture; this usually works, if it doesn't, I remind them that the hot cabin makes me thirsty and that would result in the extensive use of the call button 
 
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RE: Turkish Aviation July 2012

Wed Jul 25, 2012 6:26 pm

I hear Turkish Airlines sales is matching Delta SkyMiles status. If one is a DL gold or above TK will give Elite (Star Gold) status in return.
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RE: Turkish Aviation July 2012

Wed Jul 25, 2012 7:08 pm

Quoting LAXintl (Reply 129):

That is a very smart move by TK.
Similarly I think even more now that TK will put more pressure on UA by going up to 3x daily JFK year round.
 
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RE: Turkish Aviation July 2012

Wed Jul 25, 2012 8:16 pm

Quoting TK787 (Reply 127):
TK2 was unbearable at times. I had tshirt and shorts on and was really uncomfortable. The reason is to put people to sleep with heat so FA's can go to sleep.
Next time I am going to go up to the panel and drop the temp setting!

Last October, the same happened to me on JFK-IST. I waited and waited ... then talked to an FA ... then waited again, the temperature didn't get better. Then I got up and hung out at the rear ... surprisingly that area was much cooler. I talked to an FA there and complained about the settings. They changed it ... but only slightly. Atleast I wasn't sweating afterwards.

And the damn new 777s don't have individual air flow vents ...  
 
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RE: Turkish Aviation July 2012

Wed Jul 25, 2012 9:48 pm

Quoting LAXintl (Reply 129):

I hear Turkish Airlines sales is matching Delta SkyMiles status. If one is a DL gold or above TK will give Elite (Star Gold) status in return.

They are matching any elite status, even from *A partners beside BD. So does EY at the moment. Frequent Flyer status matches have gone crazy lately. Ultimately, IMHO, airlines should adopt the SQ PPS approach where annual spend should determine the value (status) of a customer to the airline. I guess the current competitive environment would not allow such a approach in the forseeable future though.
 
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RE: Turkish Aviation July 2012

Thu Jul 26, 2012 6:26 am

With reference to the heat, I was roasted on a 739 to DAR. I asked the FA to turn it down twice, then I asked the chef de cabin to turn it down. She said she had told the cockpit twice. ( in a 739 the flight crew control temp apparently) My wife and a bunch of other clients were also complaining, and so finally I said " call the captain here I'll complain to his face" N.she did not but kept giving us water. On arrival I spoke to the TK station manager who said out a complaint in.

I did- formal complaint in writing, took two weeks and got a reply saying it was a sensor issue. Since that flight the last two have been just about ok.

My Dutch source and my US source tell me it's a matter of stretched aircraft , the chiller next to the APU and the distance between.

But to have the same issue on big aircraft and to have all of you confirming it makes me think it is policy. But why make clients unhappy?

My engineering and pilot sources tell me it does not save fuel/money to have a hot cabin during the cruise. And it usually is cooler down the back.

I wonder if it is the go slow that some of the staff are running. There is a dispute between TK management and some TK staff. i saw the guys protesting at IST before checknin. If you strike, you are fired, so this results in aircraft being delayed on the ground, bags being left behind. Anything that can be an issue without loosing your job, the agitators are doin it. I'll ask my Turkish source about the reason behind the hot cabins... We shall see
 
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RE: Turkish Aviation July 2012

Thu Jul 26, 2012 12:02 pm

End of an Era regarding DL going seasonal. I am 125K short of million miles. I have a big decision to make 
By the way everytime I fly TK its boiling. DL flights are super cool. Little things that make decisions difficult
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RE: Turkish Aviation July 2012

Thu Jul 26, 2012 12:18 pm

Sharm el Sheikh SSH announced by TK starting 9th of oct
TK 700 2467 IST 02:00 SSH arrival times not readable due to top quality journalism
TK 701 2467 SSH 05:45 IST
 
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RE: Turkish Aviation July 2012

Thu Jul 26, 2012 3:09 pm

Quoting Turkish350XWB (Reply 135):

Just in time for my diving trip to Sharm in October    I will pass on MS and CAI in favor of TK despite the dreadful hours.
 
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RE: Turkish Aviation July 2012

Thu Jul 26, 2012 4:35 pm

Quoting Turkish350XWB (Reply 135):
arrival times not readable due to top quality journalism

Here is the full schedule:

TK 700 IST SSH 0200 0330 (2467)
TK 701 SSH IST 0545 0925 (2467)

Most flights loaded with 738, some with 319.
 
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RE: Turkish Aviation July 2012

Thu Jul 26, 2012 5:55 pm

Quoting HB-IWC (Reply 137):
Here is the full schedule:

TK 700 IST SSH 0200 0330 (2467)
TK 701 SSH IST 0545 0925 (2467)
Quoting tcm (Reply 136):
Just in time for my diving trip to Sharm in October

Horrible timings but I guess divers are cool with that as long as it lands by the Red Sea  

So now we have the schedules for Houston, Kinshasa, Gandja and Sharm, which still leaves 24 destinations with schedules to be announced  

About the heat issue, I guess it is more of a happening on longer haul flights, right? I have flown TK quite a few times in Turkey and to Europe / MidEast lately and the cabin was usually cool. Not as cool as the QR cabin that almost froze me to death last summer but still.
 
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RE: Turkish Aviation July 2012

Fri Jul 27, 2012 6:16 am

Does anybody have an inside view of Atlasjet? I'm wondering how they are doing this year? Does it work for them to almost only sell their capacities on their own? They used to do a lot of charter business during the summer months, but now I only see a handful domestic and exotic intl destinations. And whats the story with their 332? They look liked stored throughout the whole summer. Can't they fill them to AYT, BJV, ADB or DLM?
 
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RE: Turkish Aviation July 2012

Fri Jul 27, 2012 6:32 am

Quoting HB-IWC (Reply 137):

The arrival into IST makes sense due to connections but why does it depart so late out of Istanbul? When is the last wave of arrival?
 
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RE: Turkish Aviation July 2012

Fri Jul 27, 2012 6:49 am

Quoting stylo777 (Reply 139):
Does anybody have an inside view of Atlasjet? I'm wondering how they are doing this year? Does it work for them to almost only sell their capacities on their own? They used to do a lot of charter business during the summer months, but now I only see a handful domestic and exotic intl destinations. And whats the story with their 332? They look liked stored throughout the whole summer. Can't they fill them to AYT, BJV, ADB or DLM?

I don't have that much inside information, but Atlasjet has clearly a tough year. It started with cutting the cabin crew salary and getting rid of the A332. Rumours has it that Atlasjet wants to fly the A332 again, but they can not find any suitable operation. Atlasjet has a pretty good load-factor for it's domestic flight (especially during the summer month), but the question is if they are making money out of it. Atlasjet has possibly less charters then before, but they still fly to the Nordic countries and the UK.
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RE: Turkish Aviation July 2012

Fri Jul 27, 2012 7:06 am

Quoting cuban8 (Reply 141):

A friend of mine flies them regularly from Ercan to Istanbul and she said that they are the best Turkish airline on the market. Somehow I doubt that they are better than Turkish Airlines, are they?
I saw that they have really nice uniforms.

On a side note, after three summers they have not returned to Belgrade this year. It is really a shame because last year they started off with the A321s and shortly replaced them with B757-200s.
 
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RE: Turkish Aviation July 2012

Fri Jul 27, 2012 10:55 am

Quoting ju068 (Reply 142):
On a side note, after three summers they have not returned to Belgrade this year.

Don't know for sure if it was Atlasjet, but IIRC they did not get permission to fly to Serbia this year. They wanted to lease out one plane to JAT and start codeshare flights during the summer.
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RE: Turkish Aviation July 2012

Fri Jul 27, 2012 11:07 am

Quoting TK1244 (Reply 143):

No, that was Sky Airlines which didn't get the license to fly because of a stupid agreement that only two airlines are allowed to operate between Serbia and Turkey (charter flights).
From Serbia Jat Airways operates while from Turkey there was Pegasus and Freebird. In order to overcome this stupidity Sky Airlines made an agreement with a Serbian charter airline, Aviogenex, to operate flights from Belgrade to Antalya.
When Freebird changed their mind Sky Airlines took their place. They operate four weekly flights to Belgrade with their B737-900s.
 
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RE: Turkish Aviation July 2012

Fri Jul 27, 2012 11:15 am

Quoting ju068 (Reply 140):
why does it depart so late out of Istanbul? When is the last wave of arrival?

There is a late evening arrivals bank around 10.30 pm for all main European destinations, that connects to the 00.30 - 01.30 longhaul departure bank. All of those inbound flights will offer connectivity to the new SSH flight. Still the arrival time in SSH is far from desirable.
 
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RE: Turkish Aviation July 2012

Fri Jul 27, 2012 11:29 am

Quoting HB-IWC (Reply 145):

Thanks for that. But from 22:30 to 02:00 there is 03:30 connecting time late at night, they are going to be butchered by Egyptair which flies into SSH up to nine times per day. The only logical explanation is that they are going to have tourist agencies filling those seats.

I guess that they could not add an earlier departure due to congestion issues at Istanbul airport. Then again maybe it is better to not expand than to expand with such suicidal schedules.
 
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RE: Turkish Aviation July 2012

Fri Jul 27, 2012 11:38 am

Quoting ju068 (Reply 146):
I guess that they could not add an earlier departure due to congestion issues at Istanbul airport.

While the schedule may not be optimal, both the outbound and the inbound sectors offer all the connectivity necessary. The overnight flight also helps boosting narrowbody utilization, it avoids IST congestion issues at departure time, and it leaves also one fewer aircraft to be parked overnight at IST, where parking bays must by now be harder and harder to obtain.

[Edited 2012-07-27 05:31:43]
 
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RE: Turkish Aviation July 2012

Fri Jul 27, 2012 11:51 am

Quoting HB-IWC (Reply 147):

I do understand that however if we look at the other two carriers aiming at attracting connecting passengers to/from SSH, Turkish Airlines is at a loss here. The other serious carrier being Royal Jordanian which operates daily flights, with departures from Amman at 12:30 and 17:30.
Why would anyone chose to fly in the middle of the night with Turkish Airlines when both Royal Jordanian and Egyptair offer better times.
To make things even worse, Egyptair is a Star Alliance members just like Turkish Airlines. With Egyptair having a decent European netowork I do not see how Turkish Airlines can compete.

The only way it can compete is to considerably lower fares, but with their less than perfect financial performance I doubt it is a good idea.
 
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RE: Turkish Aviation July 2012

Fri Jul 27, 2012 12:35 pm

Quoting ju068 (Reply 148):
Why would anyone chose to fly in the middle of the night with Turkish Airlines when both Royal Jordanian and Egyptair offer better times.

I hear you, but the IST hub of TK blow both RJ at AMM and MS at CAI out of the water. TK simply has a much wider network to rely on to fill this flight, no matter how bad its schedule.

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