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RE: WN Route Speculation For Jul 9 Release?

Mon Jul 09, 2012 2:23 pm

Quoting usflyguy (Reply 99):
BNA-RSW

Some backfill for the MCO-RSW cut? I wonder whether we'll see some city in this part of the country added to PBI to similarly "compensate" for the loss of TPA-PBI. Given the fact that PBI demand comes heavily from the east coast, I suspect not, but I've been surprised before.

Quoting usflyguy (Reply 99):
BNA-LGA

With ATL coming in to the network, that (plus the MDW add) makes far more sense than LGA-BWI.
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RE: WN Route Speculation For Jul 9 Release?

Mon Jul 09, 2012 2:46 pm

Quoting usflyguy (Reply 99):
BNA-LGA
BNA-RSW

I'm assuming these are non-stops. The reason I ask I saw BNA-PVD on the current August schedule which stops in MDW with no change of aircraft.
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RE: WN Route Speculation For Jul 9 Release?

Mon Jul 09, 2012 2:50 pm

Ending MCO-FLL shocks the hell out of me. I fly the route weekly. At a complete loss for words here. I guess I'll be forced to fly Spirit. I remember a day when WN had 9 dailies on the route. Wasn't too long ago!

Very sad day for me. Probably for a lot of commuting pilots and flight attendants as well.

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RE: WN Route Speculation For Jul 9 Release?

Mon Jul 09, 2012 3:15 pm

Quoting usflyguy (Reply 99):
RDU-PHX

Very surprised to see this route ending.
 
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RE: WN Route Speculation For Jul 9 Release?

Mon Jul 09, 2012 3:15 pm

Dumb question:

Where is this posted and any suggestion as to why they have not posted schedule for the STL-DCA service since its only two months away?
 
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RE: WN Route Speculation For Jul 9 Release?

Mon Jul 09, 2012 3:18 pm

Quoting av8orwalk (Reply 102):

Was the 9 dailies before or after FLL got all of the non-stops?

A TON of commuting pilots and flight attendants. The same was said for MCO-RSW. Guess they'll be doing what the commuters from SAT/AUS-HOU do... Drive
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RE: WN Route Speculation For Jul 9 Release?

Mon Jul 09, 2012 3:22 pm

Great to see MKE-MSY come back, and just in time for the peak cruise season.

WN has been showing some love to NOLA as of late. Just like the old days.  

The combined FL/WN schedule in MSY will offer 48 nonstops to 17 destinations once the MKE flight is added.
 
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RE: WN Route Speculation For Jul 9 Release?

Mon Jul 09, 2012 3:26 pm

Quoting ultrapig (Reply 104):
Where is this posted and any suggestion as to why they have not posted schedule for the STL-DCA service since its only two months away?

The 4 slots that WN got from NK are 2100 slots and WN has asked for better times. Until those times are approved DCA STL is not posted. Last rumor I saw was a departure from DCA about Noon-1230pm and the second flight leaving DCA about 1800-1900 to connect the last bank out of STL which is 2030. Departures from STL have not even been rumored but those two flights out of DCA most likely the aircraft will be the same from STL.
 
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RE: WN Route Speculation For Jul 9 Release?

Mon Jul 09, 2012 3:27 pm

So can someone provide a summary for the routes that are ending and the routes that are starting?
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RE: WN Route Speculation For Jul 9 Release?

Mon Jul 09, 2012 3:31 pm

Quoting avi8 (Reply 108):
So can someone provide a summary for the routes that are ending and the routes that are starting?
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RE: WN Route Speculation For Jul 9 Release?

Mon Jul 09, 2012 3:35 pm

BWI-LGA is ending? I'm kind of surprised at that one - plus it was quite easy for me to make connections there for where I needed to go when I visit family. Sucks!
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RE: WN Route Speculation For Jul 9 Release?

Mon Jul 09, 2012 3:37 pm

Quoting cessna2 (Reply 103):
Very surprised to see this route ending.

It is a seasonal route. It'll be back.
 
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RE: WN Route Speculation For Jul 9 Release?

Mon Jul 09, 2012 3:43 pm

Quoting usflyguy (Reply 99):
ABQ-ELP
ABQ-STL

And the hits just keep on coming...jeez. Pretty soon, ABQ might just go away at the rate WN keeps cutting them! What gives?
 
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RE: WN Route Speculation For Jul 9 Release?

Mon Jul 09, 2012 3:51 pm

Quoting AWACSooner (Reply 112):
And the hits just keep on coming...jeez. Pretty soon, ABQ might just go away at the rate WN keeps cutting them! What gives?

My opinion. I would guess ABQ-ELP is just a victim of reducing the short haul flying by Southwest. ABQ-STL is a seasonal route, it'll be back.
 
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RE: WN Route Speculation For Jul 9 Release?

Mon Jul 09, 2012 3:54 pm

Quoting knope2001 (Reply 98):
LGA-BWI is gone
Quoting knope2001 (Reply 98):
though EWR-BWI stands

Both of those were always stupid.

Quoting av8orwalk (Reply 102):
Ending MCO-FLL shocks the hell out of me. I fly the route weekly. At a complete loss for words here. I guess I'll be forced to fly Spirit. I remember a day when WN had 9 dailies on the route. Wasn't too long ago!

From what I hear there is one thing that has been retained from Air Tran and that was the airline's distaste for short-hauls. WN has apparently adopted some changes inspired by AirTran in the calculation of short-haul profitability and they now lose boatloads of money. BTW, I'm not criticizing the change. I think that is pretty much industry standard. WN was alone on that one. I don't think short-haul works in the post-9/11 era. It was just a matter of time until they updated their archaic processes.
 
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RE: WN Route Speculation For Jul 9 Release?

Mon Jul 09, 2012 3:54 pm

Quoting AWACSooner (Reply 112):
And the hits just keep on coming...jeez. Pretty soon, ABQ might just go away at the rate WN keeps cutting them! What gives?

I wouldn't hold my breath for ABQ come January 1, 2014. With DAL opening up, the 1-stops needed to access Love Field will be reduced faster than you can say Texas Two Step.
 
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RE: WN Route Speculation For Jul 9 Release?

Mon Jul 09, 2012 4:13 pm

So, would EWR-BWI likely be replaced by EWR-ATL, EWR-MCO or something else?

PHL-RDU goes to 2x and with the other changes, it will likely be eliminated. probably in favor of PHL-ATL-RDU.

Two years ago, IAD had no short hauls but it was the only airport. Then SEA-GEG was dropped, so SEA. DCA is going without shorthauls, LGA and a few of the Florida airports, and likely EWR and PHL are next.

Quoting stlgph (Reply 110):
BWI-LGA is ending? I'm kind of surprised at that one - plus it was quite easy for me to make connections there for where I needed to go when I visit family. Sucks!

If one is going to Florida, maybe WN wants the pax to support the ISP nonstops. To markets like CLE or RDU, it would be an hour longer or more connecting in MDW, ATL or BNA, so WN might lose a few customers but it would gain higher yielding customers on OD, and WN is more a choice for west bound connection itineries.
 
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RE: WN Route Speculation For Jul 9 Release?

Mon Jul 09, 2012 4:18 pm

Did I read the 2nd to last paragraph in the blog wrong? Eliminating MDW-TPA service????
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RE: WN Route Speculation For Jul 9 Release?

Mon Jul 09, 2012 4:21 pm

Quoting b757capt (Reply 117):
Did I read the 2nd to last paragraph in the blog wrong? Eliminating MDW-TPA service????

It's going all WN.
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RE: WN Route Speculation For Jul 9 Release?

Mon Jul 09, 2012 4:28 pm

Quoting usflyguy (Reply 99):
ALB-LAS

Wow. This route has never been made seasonal. A couple of years ago, ALBLAS was the best performing flight over 2000 miles.
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RE: WN Route Speculation For Jul 9 Release?

Mon Jul 09, 2012 5:06 pm

Quoting USAirALB (Reply 119):

Was that before BWI-SAN?
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RE: WN Route Speculation For Jul 9 Release?

Mon Jul 09, 2012 6:18 pm

Quoting usflyguy (Reply 99):
RNO

This I wouldn't of guessed, as RNO hasn't been doing all that great lately. Can't imagine ONT-RNO will have stellar yields, although I see it will be seasonal. FLL-PHX, BNA-RSW, and MKE-MSY will also be seasonal.

Quoting knope2001 (Reply 98):
not sure abuot the 3rd.

Looks like there will be a 6th MDW-LGA added.

Tenatively returning Spring/Summer

ABQ-PDX
ABQ-STL
LAS-ALB
LAS-JAX
LAS-PVD
MCI-OAK
MCI-SEA
PHX-RDU


Also worth noting ATL-PHX will also go all WN.

[Edited 2012-07-09 11:27:20]
 
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RE: WN Route Speculation For Jul 9 Release?

Mon Jul 09, 2012 6:28 pm

Quoting usflyguy (Reply 99):
MDW is getting an additional LGA frequency, bringing it to 6/day.

Good to see MDW get an additional LGA frequency.   
Looks like the additional frequency is another morning flight at both MDW and LGA. Currently there are only two morning flights to and from MDW and LGA. And it looks like WN tweaked the times a little to target the business traveler between both cities.
 
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RE: WN Route Speculation For Jul 9 Release?

Mon Jul 09, 2012 6:32 pm

They are eliminating MDW-TPA?!! Are they insane??!!!! They basically cut more services than adding any new flights. I'm really dissapointed.

[Edited 2012-07-09 11:32:57]
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RE: WN Route Speculation For Jul 9 Release?

Mon Jul 09, 2012 6:47 pm

Quoting avi8 (Reply 123):
They are eliminating MDW-TPA?!!

Asked and answered . . .

Quoting Cubsrule (Reply 118):
Quoting b757capt (Reply 117):
Did I read the 2nd to last paragraph in the blog wrong? Eliminating MDW-TPA service????

It's going all WN.
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RE: WN Route Speculation For Jul 9 Release?

Mon Jul 09, 2012 6:52 pm

Quoting AWACSooner (Reply 112):
And the hits just keep on coming...jeez. Pretty soon, ABQ might just go away at the rate WN keeps cutting them! What gives?

It seemed like UA was cutting 3-4 flights this winter also (IIRC 1 off from IAH, LAX and DEN?)

Are things going bad in ABQ? I miss the old MAF flights.
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RE: WN Route Speculation For Jul 9 Release?

Mon Jul 09, 2012 7:02 pm

Seeing this schedule release it look like it's freeing up about 7 planes.
Which will be used to connect some dots with airtran cities.
If rumors are true this will free up aircraft for WN SJU service.
This will also free up a few more FL birds for new international flying.
If I'm not mistaken I think GK is speaking at conference on the 16 so holding off new flying announcements makes since.
Also rumored alot of the long haul markets cut from LAS and PHX will be added back as redeye flights.
This will and better aircraft and crew utilization without adding people or aircraft.
Plus redeye flying long over due at WN.
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RE: WN Route Speculation For Jul 9 Release?

Mon Jul 09, 2012 7:19 pm

Quoting enilria (Reply 96):

I'm hearing that, in addition to some sort of announcement today, there will be an additional announcement of routes 7/16/2012 that will include the schedule commencing on Valentine's Day with new Florida routes.

Yes, that is true with regards to a JUL 16 addition. I've never seen WN announce a schedule one week and then another one the next. That one may be interesting!
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RE: WN Route Speculation For Jul 9 Release?

Mon Jul 09, 2012 7:24 pm

Quoting av8orwalk (Reply 102):
Very sad day for me. Probably for a lot of commuting pilots and flight attendants as well.

Indeed. Probably A LOT of very anxious commuters about to figure something else out to get to work.

I also remember the days of 8 or 9 daily flights.

Quoting usflyguy (Reply 105):
A TON of commuting pilots and flight attendants. The same was said for MCO-RSW. Guess they'll be doing what the commuters from SAT/AUS-HOU do... Drive

So VERY glad I am not a commuter.

Nothing at all against commuters.... but I have to say:

Living/working from a base that is primarily a NON-commuter base....I recently had to fly a trip out of another high-commuter base while on reserve. The other three FAs were all commuters.

From the first day of the trip until the last day of the trip, I heard over and over and over about their commute and how stressful it was and whether they were going to get home on the last day.... It TRULY makes it a whole different job.

Quoting MSYtristar (Reply 106):
WN has been showing some love to NOLA as of late. Just like the old days.

It's all about you, MSYTriStar.  

Seriously, if Southwest ever re-launches the pre-Katrina nonstops to San Diego or Oakland, I want to be invited to the party I am sure you will throw!  
Quoting AWACSooner (Reply 112):

And the hits just keep on coming...jeez. Pretty soon, ABQ might just go away at the rate WN keeps cutting them!

I doubt that happens. Really... I do. Now, if you were in Cleveland, on the other hand.....

Quoting enilria (Reply 114):
From what I hear there is one thing that has been retained from Air Tran and that was the airline's distaste for short-hauls. WN has apparently adopted some changes inspired by AirTran in the calculation of short-haul profitability and they now lose boatloads of money. BTW, I'm not criticizing the change. I think that is pretty much industry standard. WN was alone on that one. I don't think short-haul works in the post-9/11 era. It was just a matter of time until they updated their archaic processes.

Add LGA-BWI to the growing list of short-hauls discontinued by Southwest lately.... MDW-IND, MCO-RSW, BHM-BNA, MCO-FLL.....

Quoting sdoyon (Reply 115):

I wouldn't hold my breath for ABQ come January 1, 2014. With DAL opening up, the 1-stops needed to access Love Field will be reduced faster than you can say Texas Two Step.

Actually, I believe the date you want is October 14, 2014. THAT is the day that all restrictions of the Wright Amendment are lifted.
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RE: WN Route Speculation For Jul 9 Release?

Mon Jul 09, 2012 7:28 pm

Quoting Cubsrule (Reply 124):

Quoting avi8 (Reply 123):
They are eliminating MDW-TPA?!!

Asked and answered . . .

Quoting Cubsrule (Reply 118):
Quoting b757capt (Reply 117):
Did I read the 2nd to last paragraph in the blog wrong? Eliminating MDW-TPA service????

It's going all WN.

the article says
"On the AirTran network, we’re converting Atlanta-Phoenix service to Southwest metal (from Mighty Teal to Canyon Blue!), and are seasonally eliminating nonstops between Buffalo and Tampa Bay and between Chicago Midway and Tampa Bay (connecting service will still be available on both AirTran and Southwest)."

[Edited 2012-07-09 12:31:26]
 
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RE: WN Route Speculation For Jul 9 Release?

Mon Jul 09, 2012 7:38 pm

Quoting QANTAS747-438 (Reply 127):
Yes, that is true with regards to a JUL 16 addition. I've never seen WN announce a schedule one week and then another one the next. That one may be interesting.

From the blog...
Quote:
Our next schedule extension will be Monday, July 23. Stay tuned...

So it's actually TWO weeks later... But I agree, just another facet of the NEW Southwest Airlines!
Quoting iowaman (Reply 121):
Tenatively returning Spring/Summer
ABQ-PDX
ABQ-STL
LAS-ALB
LAS-JAX
LAS-PVD
MCI-OAK
MCI-SEA
PHX-RDU

And maybe even SAN-STL?
Quoting AWACSooner (Reply 112):
And the hits just keep on coming...jeez. Pretty soon, ABQ might just go away at the rate WN keeps cutting them!

I've been disappointed to see what's happening with WN in my city over the last couple of years, so I can certainly feel the pain of those in New Mexico these days...

bb

[Edited 2012-07-09 13:07:52]
 
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RE: WN Route Speculation For Jul 9 Release?

Mon Jul 09, 2012 7:38 pm

Quoting cessna2 (Reply 129):
the article says

Yes. I don't see what's hard. The seasonal FL nonstop MDW-TPA, which has run for close to a decade, is not coming back. MDW-TPA is something like 5 daily on WN.
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RE: WN Route Speculation For Jul 9 Release?

Mon Jul 09, 2012 7:42 pm

Quoting Cubsrule (Reply 118):
It's going all WN.
Quoting avi8 (Reply 123):
They are eliminating MDW-TPA?!! Are they insane??!!!! They basically cut more services than adding any new flights. I'm really dissapointed.
Quoting Cubsrule (Reply 124):
Asked and answered . . .
Quoting cessna2 (Reply 129):
the article says
"On the AirTran network, we’re converting Atlanta-Phoenix service to Southwest metal (from Mighty Teal to Canyon Blue!), and are seasonally eliminating nonstops between Buffalo and Tampa Bay and between Chicago Midway and Tampa Bay (connecting service will still be available on both AirTran and Southwest)."
Quoting Cubsrule (Reply 131):
Yes. I don't see what's hard. The seasonal FL nonstop MDW-TPA, which has run for close to a decade, is not coming back. MDW-TPA is something like 5 daily on WN.

I don't ever recall FL running a MDW-TPA flight. Ever. Thats what is so hard. MDW-SRQ yes but never MDW-TPA.

Somebody please prove me wrong.
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RE: WN Route Speculation For Jul 9 Release?

Mon Jul 09, 2012 7:45 pm

Quoting Cubsrule (Reply 131):

Yes. I don't see what's hard. The seasonal FL nonstop MDW-TPA, which has run for close to a decade, is not coming back. MDW-TPA is something like 5 daily on WN.

No.. I must admit, when I read:

"On the AirTran network, we’re converting Atlanta-Phoenix service to Southwest metal (from Mighty Teal to Canyon Blue!), and are seasonally eliminating nonstops between Buffalo and Tampa Bay and between Chicago Midway and Tampa Bay (connecting service will still be available on both AirTran and Southwest)."

Even I thought the wording was odd....

Perhaps a better choice of words would have been:

(Non-stop and connecting service on Southwest and connecting service on AirTran will both still be available.)

Saying "connecting service will still be available on both AirTran and Southwest" DOES, in my opinion, lead one to believe that BOTH carriers are only providing connecting service.

I actually had to go to southwest.com and try to book a reservation to make sure that Southwest non-stops still existed.
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RE: WN Route Speculation For Jul 9 Release?

Mon Jul 09, 2012 8:10 pm

Quoting b757capt (Reply 132):
I don't ever recall FL running a MDW-TPA flight. Ever.

My error - I was thinking RSW.
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RE: WN Route Speculation For Jul 9 Release?

Mon Jul 09, 2012 8:12 pm

Quoting skycub (Reply 133):
Saying "connecting service will still be available on both AirTran and Southwest" DOES, in my opinion, lead one to believe that BOTH carriers are only providing connecting service.

I actually had to go to southwest.com and try to book a reservation to make sure that Southwest non-stops still existed

   I went to the schedule display as well to completely understand the situation.

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RE: WN Route Speculation For Jul 9 Release?

Mon Jul 09, 2012 8:28 pm

Quoting skycub (Reply 128):
Actually, I believe the date you want is October 14, 2014. THAT is the day that all restrictions of the Wright Amendment are lifted.

I think you're right. The amendment was repealed on 10/16/06; my mistake. I do think, however, that ABQ will be drastically diminished come that time.
 
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RE: WN Route Speculation For Jul 9 Release?

Mon Jul 09, 2012 9:50 pm

On a separate note.... and Mods, I would appreciate it if you would be kind enough to leave this posting even if it is off-topic....

I cannot help but note that one of our resident Southwest enthusiasts, Atrude777, has not posted on this or ANY OTHER thread in quite some time.

Does anyone know of his whereabouts and/or if he is okay?????
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RE: WN Route Speculation For Jul 9 Release?

Mon Jul 09, 2012 10:06 pm

Axeing LGA- BWI    I dont get it. Every BWI bound flight is at a minimum at least 96% full.At the minimum of 85% of the time. Given the majority of the traffic is connecting traffic.. c'mon... I cant fathom BNA I just can not. But what also baffles me sending more connecting traffic thru MDW... I dont get it... unless well soon see canyon blue n/s service from LGA to a certain southern city....

Please someone educate me.. on what im not seeing

[Edited 2012-07-09 15:14:37]
 
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RE: WN Route Speculation For Jul 9 Release?

Mon Jul 09, 2012 10:13 pm

I know there is some talk about why WN would axe LGA-BWI....

But with ALL of the NON-STOPS between the New York area and Florida, is it not possible that Southwest, in looking at their numbers, decided that the highest fares and passenger numbers would warrent connections WEST-BOUND rather than SOUTH-BOUND?

I mean aren't NYC/Newark to Florida fares known for being rock-bottom with all of the competition?

Perhaps looking at WHERE passengers were connecting to compared to the fares they were paying.... warrants more connections through Chicago to the midwest and west.

I don't think cities like SAT, AUS, MSY, OKC, LIT, HOU, DEN, LAS, PHX are any FURTHER out of the way going via MDW than BWI.

Plus on shorter routes like LGA to CLE, CMH, DTW, Southwest was competing with other carriers flying it non-stop compared to going via BWI.

Maybe WN just decided, fare-wise, they made more money flying WEST-BOUND than SOUTH-BOUND.
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RE: WN Route Speculation For Jul 9 Release?

Mon Jul 09, 2012 10:21 pm

Quoting skycub (Reply 139):
But with ALL of the NON-STOPS between the New York area and Florida, is it not possible that Southwest, in looking at their numbers, decided that the highest fares and passenger numbers would warrent connections WEST-BOUND rather than SOUTH-BOUND?

Westbound connections are made now via primarily through MDW.. and after August its fair to say alot of that traffic will shift to either DEN or STL
 
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RE: WN Route Speculation For Jul 9 Release?

Mon Jul 09, 2012 10:41 pm

Quoting skycub (Reply 139):
Maybe WN just decided, fare-wise, they made more money flying WEST-BOUND than SOUTH-BOUND.

I think WN decided they make far more money on O&D traffic than on connecting traffic. BWI-LGA provides virtually zero of the former despite working fairly well for the latter. I'm certain they'd rather capture non-stop O&D on BNA-LGA (and a more competitive schedule on MDW-LGA) and let the connections fall where they may between MDW, STL, and BNA.
 
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RE: WN Route Speculation For Jul 9 Release?

Mon Jul 09, 2012 11:16 pm

Quoting steex (Reply 141):
I'm certain they'd rather capture non-stop O&D on BNA-LGA (and a more competitive schedule on MDW-LGA) and let the connections fall where they may between MDW, STL, and BNA.

  

Further, post-integration, ATL can handle a lot of the Florida traffic, and even some of the mid-Atlantic traffic (ORF, RDU, CLT), albeit not as well.
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RE: WN Route Speculation For Jul 9 Release?

Tue Jul 10, 2012 12:00 am

Quoting Cubsrule (Reply 142):
Further, post-integration, ATL can handle a lot of the Florida traffic, and even some of the mid-Atlantic traffic (ORF, RDU, CLT), albeit not as well.

There are also ISP's nonstops to Florida, so it must have been accounted that those doing LGA-BWI-FLL can fly ISP-FLL instead. LGA-ATL-FLL will be longer in duration than LGA-BWI-FLL, but B6 already has a lot of JFK/LGA/EWR-Florida flying; WN offering 1-stops via BWI likely wasn't very relevant but will be less anyways with a greater hassle routing through ATL.

Not WN's worry but the loss for pax is once EWR-BWI is dropped, routes like EWR-BWI-CLE which were cheap and doable at 4 hours with a plane change, disappear for longer routes via connections in ATL, BNA or MDW that are more expensive, and there are fewer alternatives from Northern NJ.

[Edited 2012-07-09 17:02:49]
 
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RE: WN Route Speculation For Jul 9 Release?

Tue Jul 10, 2012 12:40 am

Only thing that I can tell about St. Louis is that it gained a frequency to New Orleans.

Not totally sure of their regular schedule but that's what jumps out.
 
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RE: WN Route Speculation For Jul 9 Release?

Tue Jul 10, 2012 12:43 am

Quoting Flytravel (Reply 143):
Not WN's worry but the loss for pax is once EWR-BWI is dropped, routes like EWR-BWI-CLE which were cheap and doable at 4 hours with a plane change, disappear for longer routes via connections in ATL, BNA or MDW that are more expensive, and there are fewer alternatives from Northern NJ.

I don't think EWR and LGA have ever been about passengers at those airports. They have been more about connecting WN passengers who originate other places to New York - and the changes help accomplish that because they give loyal WN passengers in big WN cities nonstop access to NYC while giving more WN cities better access to NYC.
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RE: WN Route Speculation For Jul 9 Release?

Tue Jul 10, 2012 1:29 am

Quoting Cubsrule (Reply 145):
Quoting Flytravel (Reply 143):
Not WN's worry but the loss for pax is once EWR-BWI is dropped, routes like EWR-BWI-CLE which were cheap and doable at 4 hours with a plane change, disappear for longer routes via connections in ATL, BNA or MDW that are more expensive, and there are fewer alternatives from Northern NJ.

I don't think EWR and LGA have ever been about passengers at those airports. They have been more about connecting WN passengers who originate other places to New York - and the changes help accomplish that because they give loyal WN passengers in big WN cities nonstop access to NYC while giving more WN cities better access to NYC.

I second that and think it will continue to be the case. They might start to go for the NYC market a little once the FL and WN networks are fully combined as they will have a respectable footprint between LGA and EWR but even then they will still be a small player vs. UA, AA, DL, and B6.

I've been to New York about four times since WN first opened LGA and I don't recall ever seeing any form of advertising from them in any media anywhere in the city with the sole exception of a "Welcome to New York, Southwest!" banner at the LGA Dollar rental car location. I think they view any NYC customers that fly them as just sprinkles on top so to speak.
 
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RE: WN Route Speculation For Jul 9 Release?

Tue Jul 10, 2012 1:38 am

Quoting Cubsrule (Reply 134):

Looks like nonstop service on MDW-RSW is dropped for Jan. could that be the error, possible their blog should have said RSW and not TPA.
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RE: WN Route Speculation For Jul 9 Release?

Tue Jul 10, 2012 1:44 am

Quoting b757capt (Reply 147):
Looks like nonstop service on MDW-RSW is dropped for Jan. could that be the error, possible their blog should have said RSW and not TPA.

Ha - maybe I was on to something even though I didn't know it. But WN does fly MDW-RSW, so the post would still be confusing with swapping RSW for TPA.
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RE: WN Route Speculation For Jul 9 Release?

Tue Jul 10, 2012 2:30 am

MSY loses a frequency to MDW and LAS, but gains a frequency to BNA, DAL, FLL, and STL, in addition to the new MKE service. In total the combined FL/WN ops will stand at 51 (47 WN, 4 FL) per day. Not too bad. I wonder what's next? The elusive OAK or SAN? Maybe the return of JAX or something like PBI since it will lose its good connection to the west once the TPA service ends? I'll be looking forward, as always, to the next schedule release. WN always seems to have surprises up its sleeve.

Quoting skycub (Reply 128):
It's all about you, MSYTriStar.

Seriously, if Southwest ever re-launches the pre-Katrina nonstops to San Diego or Oakland, I want to be invited to the party I am sure you will throw!

LOL well you know, like many others on here, I try to do my best in representing my fair city. The more flights the better. It's a new and improved New Orleans, and it's nice to see the airlines take notice. There's a lot of potential down here.

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