Farnborough 2012 Boeing Orders Thread

moderators · Sun Jul 08, 2012 10:32 pm

With the Farnborough International Airshow 2012 now upon us and the expected announcement of order from Airbus, Boeing, as well as manufacturers like Bombardier, Embraer, ATR, and Sukhoi, we are going to have dedicated threads for Airbus orders, Boeing orders, and one for other manufacturers.

The purpose of these threads is to keep a daily tabulation on any announcements made and to keep seperate each companies announcements. Though we understand there will be split orders, having the official threads should make it a lot easier to track orders for each OEM and make for a good reference for the future of the site.

We do realise that there will / may be major orders announced given recent speculation and some media reports. Therefore, if an order is announced and listed here, by a New A380 / 747-8 Operator, a Major A350 / B787 commitment or by a carrier of regional or strategic importance, it should be entitled to it's own seperate thread. We ask that order be posted here with a link to the relevent thread and a link back to this thread, that way a free and open discussion can be had on these orders without overwhelming the official threads.

This is the dedicated thread for the discussion of Boeing orders. The dedicated threads for Airbus and other manufacturers can be found here:

Farnborough 2012 Airbus Orders Thread

Farnborough 2012 Other Manufacturers Thread

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[Edited 2012-07-08 15:39:54]

flood · Mon Jul 09, 2012 11:03 am

ALC kicks it off with an order for 75 MAX:

"FARNBOROUGH, United Kingdom, July 9, 2012 /PRNewswire/ -- Boeing (NYSE: BA) and Air Lease Corporation (NYSE: AL) announced today a firm order for 60 737 MAX 8 and 15 737 MAX 9 airplanes, with reconfirmation rights for 25 additional 737 MAXs. The order, with a list-price value of $7.2 billion, represents the first 737 MAX order by a leasing company."
http://boeing.mediaroom.com/index.php?s=43&item=2323

roseflyer · Mon Jul 09, 2012 3:33 pm

I wonder who the ALC airplanes are going to go to? I’d speculate that some could be going to Korean Air since ALC financed the brand new Korean 739ER that is parked on static display at Farnborough this year.

srbmod · Mon Jul 09, 2012 6:52 pm

This thread is for the discussion of actual orders that have been announced, not rumored ones or for making speculations. If you want to post rumors and speculation on orders, please do so in the following thread and refrain from doing so in this thread (or the Airbus or Other Manufacturers threads):

Farnborough Expected Orders (by columba Jul 6 2012 in Civil Aviation)

krisyyz · Tue Jul 10, 2012 12:03 am

Finally something new for the 767/757 flight deck. I bet this will go well with some airlines who will be forced to keep their 767s in the air longer due to the 787 delays. Should help with training costs for pilots going from the 767 to 787/777.

http://thegazette.com/2012/07/09/roc...ms-with-boeing-on-new-flight-deck/

Will this enable current 767/757s to do GNSS/GPS approaches, I know some 757s have already been upgraded with new displays to help them fly precision approaches.

KrisYYZ

gkirk · Tue Jul 10, 2012 10:49 am

GECAS order 75 x 737MAX and 25 737-800s...
http://www.dailymarkets.com/stock/20...-announce-commitment-for-100-737s/

LY777 · Tue Jul 10, 2012 11:29 am

That's great for Boeing...

EPA001 · Tue Jul 10, 2012 11:34 am

Quoting gkirk (Reply 5):
GECAS order 75 x 737MAX and 25 737-800s...

That is another big number for the B737-MAX and a nice number for the B737-NG to fill the gap.

.

KDAYflyer · Tue Jul 10, 2012 1:08 pm

Quoting gkirk (Reply 5):
GECAS order 75 x 737MAX and 25 737-800s...

Yeah!! Great news. I guess this is the year of the MAX.

Im still hoping we see at least 1 7478I order firmed up.

JAAlbert · Tue Jul 10, 2012 1:47 pm

So right now we have 150 new orders for the MAX. I'm no specialist/expert, but as big as the ALC and GECAS orders are, isn't the order book for the MAX still a bit anemic?

flood · Tue Jul 10, 2012 1:47 pm

ALAFCO commits to 20 MAX:

"Boeing (NYSE: BA) and Kuwait airplane leasing company ALAFCO today announced a commitment at the 2012 Farnborough Airshow for 20 Boeing 737 MAX 8s valued at $1.9 billion at current list prices."

http://boeing.mediaroom.com/index.php?s=43&item=2332

LY777 · Tue Jul 10, 2012 1:58 pm

Quoting JAAlbert (Reply 9):
I'm no specialist/expert, but as big as the ALC and GECAS orders are, isn't the order book for the MAX still a bit anemic?

UA has just ordered 100 737s

Someone83 · Tue Jul 10, 2012 2:02 pm

Quoting LY777 (Reply 11):

UA has just ordered 100 737s

No, not yet. It still only a rumour, although a strong one. But until either Boeing or United confirms it and some papers are signed it is an order

Stitch · Tue Jul 10, 2012 3:30 pm

Quoting JAAlbert (Reply 9):
I'm no specialist/expert, but as big as the ALC and GECAS orders are, isn't the order book for the MAX still a bit anemic?

Yes, the MAX is now 876 frames behind (pending confirmation of the UA order), but Boeing claims to have hundreds and hundreds more commitments (each of which requires a deposit payment, so they are more than just Letters of Intent or Memorandums of Understanding) so...

sweair · Tue Jul 10, 2012 3:55 pm

I was expecting a flood of MAX orders this year, it does not seem like it will happen.

Stitch · Tue Jul 10, 2012 3:59 pm

Quoting sweair (Reply 15):
I was expecting a flood of MAX orders this year, it does not seem like it will happen.

We're barely halfway through the year, so a bit early to declare failure, IMO. Anyway, let us keep this thread about orders that have happened.

srbmod · Tue Jul 10, 2012 7:42 pm

A reminder, this thread is for the discussion of announced orders and that's it. No comparing the number of orders of a Boeing a/c with that of a competing Airbus product, nothing in regards to rumored ordered. If users want to do that, do it in a separate thread. The Moderators have had to gut this thread a few times already because some of the participants are choosing to ignore the requests made of them by the Moderators.

KDAYflyer · Tue Jul 10, 2012 7:53 pm

Quoting JAAlbert (Reply 9):
So right now we have 150 new orders for the MAX. I'm no specialist/expert, but as big as the ALC and GECAS orders are, isn't the order book for the MAX still a bit anemic?

I would hardly call 1,000 orders and commitments anemic.

JAAlbert · Tue Jul 10, 2012 9:53 pm

Quoting KDAYflyer (Reply 17):
I would hardly call 1,000 orders and commitments anemic.

I would agree - however, my comment focused solely on the order book. Boeing to my knowledge has not released any info showing exactly how many commitments it has and until it does, I don't see how we can count them as orders.

Someone83 · Wed Jul 11, 2012 11:11 am

http://boeing.mediaroom.com/index.php?s=43&item=2337

Irish leasing company Avolon with a commitment for:
10 737-800
10 737-8 MAX
5 737-9 MAX

ZKOJH · Wed Jul 11, 2012 11:24 am

very slow for Boeing this year, oh well the UA order in the morning ?! and are they saving the TK order till Friday haha-ha

KDAYflyer · Wed Jul 11, 2012 1:20 pm

Ok so including UA we have about 300 orders for the MAX and like 25 for the 737-800NG. Not too shaby.

Extra300 · Wed Jul 11, 2012 1:43 pm

Quoting KDAYflyer (Reply 21):
Ok so including UA we have about 300 orders for the MAX and like 25 for the 737-800NG. Not too shaby

That´s almost one year worth of production. Not bad at all.

KDAYflyer · Wed Jul 11, 2012 2:49 pm

Boy the NG orders are drying up fast with the MAX now available for order. Understandably so and not unanticipated I'm sure.

Stitch · Wed Jul 11, 2012 3:50 pm

Quoting KDAYflyer (Reply 23):
Boy the NG orders are drying up fast with the MAX now available for order. Understandably so and not unanticipated I'm sure.

Boeing booked over 500 737NG orders in both 2010 and 2011, so I'm not surprised the orders are lower this year (117 to date) as there are over 2100 737NGs in the backlog with deliveries stretching out to 2016. With the MAX expected to EIS in 2017, we are now approaching the crossover point where an order placed for either a 737NG or a 737MAX would deliver in the same time period.

CM · Wed Jul 11, 2012 4:09 pm

Quoting KDAYflyer (Reply 23):
Boy the NG orders are drying up fast with the MAX now available for order.

I do not believe there are very many 737NG positions remaining available until you get out beyond 2017. Boeing will undoubtedly be pushing customers to take the few remaining 737NG positions available to to the start of MAX production, as well as the dwindling number of NGs which will be built after the 737 MAX enters service, as a part of these MAX deals we are seeing. I believe this may be why we see NGs attached to every MAX order.

srbmod · Thu Jul 12, 2012 2:02 am

Once again, this thread is for the discussion of Boeing orders only. Orders for any other manufacturer not named Boeing are off topic in this thread (and vice versa in the Airbus and Other Manufacturers thread). There's a reason why we have THREE dedicated threads for Farnborough 2012, one for Boeing orders, one for Airbus orders, and one for other manufacturers. If the Moderators wanted all orders to be discussed in all three threads, they would have posted one thread to cover all orders instead of manufacturer-specific threads.

chiad · Thu Jul 12, 2012 11:19 am

Quoting KDAYflyer (Reply 21):
Ok so including UA we have about 300 orders for the MAX and like 25 for the 737-800NG. Not too shaby.

Has there been any confirmation about the UA order yet?

Someone83 · Thu Jul 12, 2012 11:32 am

Quoting Chiad (Reply 27):
Has there been any confirmation about the UA order yet?

No

Although there is talk about a press conference in Chicago 09:00 AM Central Time (local)

[Edited 2012-07-12 04:49:01]

N14AZ · Thu Jul 12, 2012 11:43 am

Quoting someone83 (Reply 28):
(local)

Where local?

DrStrange · Thu Jul 12, 2012 11:54 am

Quoting N14AZ (Reply 29):

In this context I would say 9am CST.....
Looking forward to news from UA!

kc135topboom · Thu Jul 12, 2012 1:35 pm

So, if the UA order for the B-737NG/MAXs if it announced in Chicago would be considered a FAS order for Boeing?

It is now 0830 CDT in the US (sorry CST is in the winter months), can expect the order annoucement in about 30 minutes?

flood · Thu Jul 12, 2012 2:04 pm

World's largest airline buys 100 737 MAXs, 50 Next-Generation 737s, worth $14.7 billion
http://boeing.mediaroom.com/index.php?s=43&item=2342

STT757 · Thu Jul 12, 2012 2:44 pm

UA renderings with the new winglets:

https://hub.united.com/en-us/News/Co...nited-orders-boeing-737-max-9.aspx

135mech · Thu Jul 12, 2012 2:51 pm

Quoting flood (Reply 32):
World's largest airline buys 100 737 MAXs, 50 Next-Generation 737s, worth $14.7 billion
http://boeing.mediaroom.com/index.ph...=2342

Here's another link:
http://www.breakingtravelnews.com/ne...d-places-14.7bn-order-with-boeing/

737 orders have surpassed 10,000 with this order! Congrats B!

LY777 · Thu Jul 12, 2012 2:55 pm

So, 150 737s ordered! That's great news!!!

Oykie · Thu Jul 12, 2012 3:27 pm

Quoting 135mech (Reply 34):

737 orders have surpassed 10,000 with this order! Congrats B!

Congratulations to Boeing on this historic event! And congratulations to United Airlines

Seems like they are satisfied with the size of the -900ER and -9 as they did not go for any of the smaller derivatives.

When will the 737 surpass the mighty DC-3 and C-47 as the most sold airliner of all time?

N14AZ · Thu Jul 12, 2012 3:49 pm

Quoting 135mech (Reply 34):
737 orders have surpassed 10,000 with this order!

Amazing! Congratulations. Who would have thought when they designed the B 737-100...

Quoting STT757 (Reply 33):
UA renderings with the new winglets:

I think I asked this question before but still don't get it: why do they show this huge gap between the left hand horizontal stabilizer and the tail cone?

r2rho · Thu Jul 12, 2012 3:53 pm

Quoting flood (Reply 32):
World's largest airline buys 100 737 MAXs, 50 Next-Generation 737s, worth $14.7 billion
http://boeing.mediaroom.com/index.ph...=2342

The press release says " the 737 MAX, which now has more than 1,200 orders and commitments from 18 customers"
18 customers? Then some of these recent orders must have been part of the unnamed customers from earlier in the program, otherwise my numbers don't add up.

Polot · Thu Jul 12, 2012 3:54 pm

Quoting N14AZ (Reply 38):
I think I asked this question before but still don't get it: why do they show this huge gap between the left hand horizontal stabilizer and the tail cone?

Its not a gap, it is the shadow from the horizontal stabilizer. If you look real closely you can see it is a dark grey rather than the dark blue of the water in the background, and that it cuts off part of the cloud.

brilondon · Thu Jul 12, 2012 4:08 pm

What wonderful news for Boeing. I hope that this is the precursor to replacement of its tired longhaul fleet.

TSS · Thu Jul 12, 2012 4:09 pm

Quoting krisyyz (Reply 4):
Finally something new for the 767/757 flight deck. I bet this will go well with some airlines who will be forced to keep their 767s in the air longer due to the 787 delays. Should help with training costs for pilots going from the 767 to 787/777.

http://thegazette.com/2012/07/09/roc...deck/

I think this announcement might deserve it's own thread.

N14AZ · Thu Jul 12, 2012 4:11 pm

Quoting poLOT (Reply 40):
Its not a gap, it is the shadow from the horizontal stabilizer. If you look real closely you can see it is a dark grey rather than the dark blue of the water in the background, and that it cuts off part of the cloud.

Thanks very much, that's the explanation. I just watched the video linked in the other thread and realized it's a shadow. Again, thanks very much.

FRNT787 · Thu Jul 12, 2012 4:12 pm

http://boeing.mediaroom.com/index.php?s=43&item=2343

Boeing provided a wrap-up to the show including a table that spells out the Orders vs. Commitments. A solid week for several companies.

flood · Thu Jul 12, 2012 4:43 pm

Quoting r2rho (Reply 39):
Then some of these recent orders must have been part of the unnamed customers from earlier in the program, otherwise my numbers don't add up.

No doubt some were part of the unnamed, they have to let them out of the bag sooner or later. When Lion firmed the order Boeing listed 15. After Virgin, GECAS, ALC, ALAFCO, Avalon and UA we're at 18 *shrug*. The UA orders appears to be new though, pushing the total orders/commitments to 1200.

windy95 · Thu Jul 12, 2012 4:49 pm

Quoting oykie (Reply 36):
Seems like they are satisfied with the size of the -900ER and -9 as they did not go for any of the smaller derivatives.

Quoting mham001 (Reply 37):
This is the most surprising. All 9's. So much for the supposed domination of the A321.

Nothing surprising about it. As I have said before this order is to replace the 757's. We new that there would be at least 100 900's ordered.

hnl-jack · Thu Jul 12, 2012 8:46 pm

Wouldn't be surprised to see these aircraft feature the modification to the livery made for the 787, although not depicted in these renderings. To do so now, so far in advance could take away from the 787 introduction and fuel rumors of the modification becoming the standard livery for the airline. I happen to believe that is what will happen, but it is premature to make the announcement or start repainting now.

Anyway nice order and a big congratulations to Boeing.

ikramerica · Thu Jul 12, 2012 9:40 pm

Quoting windy95 (Reply 45):
Nothing surprising about it. As I have said before this order is to replace the 757's. We new that there would be at least 100 900's ordered.

The MAX9 will have Hawaii range to spare. That will include Denver. Also IAH/DEN-ANC, EWR/IAD-UK, and other routes that 757s work (and 738s). It can't do everything the 757 can, but it does almost everything. 900ER, not as much, but it can do USA transcons and neartranscons without issue, and UA uses 757s on a lot of domestic routes and to nearlatam.

KDAYflyer · Thu Jul 12, 2012 11:22 pm

Quoting 135mech (Reply 34):
737 orders have surpassed 10,000 with this order! Congrats B!

Makes you wonder who is going to take delivery of number 10,000

frigatebird · Fri Jul 13, 2012 9:12 am

Quoting flood (Reply 44):
Quoting r2rho (Reply 39):Then some of these recent orders must have been part of the unnamed customers from earlier in the program, otherwise my numbers don't add up.
No doubt some were part of the unnamed, they have to let them out of the bag sooner or later. When Lion firmed the order Boeing listed 15. After Virgin, GECAS, ALC, ALAFCO, Avalon and UA we're at 18 *shrug*. The UA orders appears to be new though, pushing the total orders/commitments to 1200.

Probably Virgin and ALC were among earlier commitments, since these are now firm.

Quoting KDAYflyer (Reply 48):
Makes you wonder who is going to take delivery of number 10,000

I'd say Southwest....

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