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Armavia Cancels Second SSJ Order

Tue Jul 10, 2012 7:22 pm

Armavia (U8), the launch customer of the Sukhoi Superjet, canceled its second order a few days ago.

http://www.themoscowtimes.com/busine...enia-cancels-ssj-order/461895.html

From the article above, it seems obvious that Aeroflot as well is having issues with the aircraft, even though i understand that all new aircraft encounter snags during the first years of operation.

What are your thoughts on the matter? Also, U8 recently returned a few A319s and A320 it had on lease, and now flies two ex. OK 735s. with a few CRJs and one SSJ in the fleet. Seems to me that eventually, the airline will need a proper replacement for the A319.

Could U8 become a potential CSeries customer?

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RE: Armavia Cancels Second SSJ Order

Tue Jul 10, 2012 7:25 pm

Could this not just be a sign of financial trouble for the airline?
 
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RE: Armavia Cancels Second SSJ Order

Tue Jul 10, 2012 8:00 pm

Quoting Vasu (Reply 1):
Could this not just be a sign of financial trouble for the airline?

Yes, it seems far more a case that Armavia can't afford this extra aircraft.


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RE: Armavia Cancels Second SSJ Order

Tue Jul 10, 2012 8:19 pm

Quoting Vasu (Reply 1):
Could this not just be a sign of financial trouble for the airline?

Sure, but why not defer the order to a later date, and keep your options open. Seems to me that there is more to this than just a simple cash issue at U8.

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RE: Armavia Cancels Second SSJ Order

Tue Jul 10, 2012 8:45 pm

If they decided to replace their Airbus aircraft with two B737-500s and a single CRJ that just goes to prove that there is something wrong with the management and not with the SSJ.
 
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RE: Armavia Cancels Second SSJ Order

Tue Jul 10, 2012 10:48 pm

Quoting thenoflyzone (Thread starter):
it seems obvious that Aeroflot as well is having issues with the aircraft

Can anyone verify what is going on as far as the SSJ going tech all the time ? Even for a new type , it sounds like it is proving unreliable.
 
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RE: Armavia Cancels Second SSJ Order

Thu Jul 19, 2012 8:02 am

Now they say that they have put an order for 1 A320, 2 B737-700 and 1 B737-800.

Are these just claims or real orders?

http://armenpress.am/eng/news/687967...ng%E2%80%9D-types-of-aircraft.html
 
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RE: Armavia Cancels Second SSJ Order

Thu Jul 19, 2012 8:20 am

Quoting thenoflyzone (Thread starter):
From the article above, it seems obvious that Aeroflot as well is having issues with the aircraft
Quoting phxa340 (Reply 5):
Can anyone verify what is going on as far as the SSJ going tech all the time ? Even for a new type , it sounds like it is proving unreliable.

Why should we give credibility to a short little online article making a vague claim citing "Russian Media". Daily utilization numbers seem to be proving the opposite.
http://www.superjetinternational.com...rcial-operations-in-aeroflot/2012/

Quoting OD720 (Reply 6):
Now they say that they have put an order for 1 A320, 2 B737-700 and 1 B737-800.

Too much unreliable info going around here, I think we'll have to wait and see what really happens. Looks like some general fleet reorganization going on though, for the better or worse.
 
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RE: Armavia Cancels Second SSJ Order

Fri Jul 20, 2012 9:27 am

After checking some news about the airline, it appears that they are having some financial issues.

Here's a story from earlier this month:
http://armenianow.com/news/39131/armavia_company_sale_baghdasarov
 
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RE: Armavia Cancels Second SSJ Order

Fri Jul 20, 2012 10:04 am

I can't imagine the recent SSJ crash in Indoneisa instilled a lot of confidence in airlines!
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RE: Armavia Cancels Second SSJ Order

Fri Jul 20, 2012 10:38 am

Quoting SKAirbus (Reply 9):

So didn't the AF447. It is a simple propaganda and brain-washing that russian airliners "are not safe". Looking in the real statistics of planes like TU-154, IL-62 and IL-86 you'll see the evidence of that. Most of the crashes were caused by human factor or simply poor maintenance, under which every aircraft would eventually crash. Russia lags behind in engine technology cause economics were ignored in engine development programs for decades in the USSR. But it obviously suits some in the West to tarnish the reputation of all other manufacturers as much as possible, for not their NEO's and MAXs to loose even one sale to someone else... Why don't you put in question the whole integrity of Airbus whenever one crashes? As for the incident, it appears to be due to the recklessness of a ground controller, nothing to do with the SSJ.
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RE: Armavia Cancels Second SSJ Order

Fri Jul 20, 2012 11:11 am

Quoting Tupolev160 (Reply 10):
So didn't the AF447. It is a simple propaganda and brain-washing that russian airliners "are not safe". Looking in the real statistics of planes like TU-154, IL-62 and IL-86 you'll see the evidence of that. Most of the crashes were caused by human factor or simply poor maintenance, under which every aircraft would eventually crash. Russia lags behind in engine technology cause economics were ignored in engine development programs for decades in the USSR. But it obviously suits some in the West to tarnish the reputation of all other manufacturers as much as possible, for not their NEO's and MAXs to loose even one sale to someone else... Why don't you put in question the whole integrity of Airbus whenever one crashes? As for the incident, it appears to be due to the recklessness of a ground controller, nothing to do with the SSJ.

The difference between the SSJ and the A330-200 is that the latter is a proven platform with hundreds of examples in service and thousands if not millions of flight hours. The SSJ is a brand new aircraft and although the mitigating circumstances may suggest it wasn't the aircraft at fault, prospective airlines will be watching very closely.

Also, I too had heard that the SSJ has quite big reliability issues, which even for a new airliner is surprising. The A380 for example had a remarkably high dispatch rate when it first entered service when you consider its size and "innovation".

But I think the reason Russian built aircraft often receive a bad wrap is because they are often operated in countries with a history of lax regualtion and bad maintanence. Iran is a good example as are some of the former Soviet states. Aeroflot, however, have very high standards, hence why their aircraft operate well.
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