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RE: EK To BUD?
Can't say, but QR just increased capacity to BUD from a A320 to A321
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RE: EK To BUD?
EK has the problem that it has no narrowbodies to start a route.
I also have a feeling that one gulf carrier is more than enough for BUD. Cargo might be different. QR just started dedicated cargo ops to BUD with A300F.
I also have a feeling that one gulf carrier is more than enough for BUD. Cargo might be different. QR just started dedicated cargo ops to BUD with A300F.
RE: EK To BUD?
| Quoting KLAXAirport (Thread starter): Would EK ever fly to BUD? Cheers, KLAXAirport |
Kl911 don't under estimate the growth of FlyDubai in what might be called marginal markets where the Widebodies and high capacity Emirates is considered too much.
Neighbouring territories within Central Europe already seem to be getting the Low Cost FlyDubai brand rather than Emirates.
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RE: EK To BUD?
The Hungarian economy is not too healthy right now so potential traffic might be limited. Also remember that EK currently serves VIE which is not too far from BUD.
RE: EK To BUD?
| Quoting rutankrd (Reply 3): Kl911 don't under estimate the growth of FlyDubai in what might be called marginal markets where the Widebodies and high capacity Emirates is considered too much. Neighbouring territories within Central Europe already seem to be getting the Low Cost FlyDubai brand rather than Emirates. |
| Quoting rutankrd (Reply 3): Kl911 don't under estimate the growth of FlyDubai in what might be called marginal markets where the Widebodies and high capacity Emirates is considered too much. Neighbouring territories within Central Europe already seem to be getting the Low Cost FlyDubai brand rather than Emirates. |
Couldn't agree more. FlyDubai can replace all EK widebody flights that are fairly close with their 738 fleet.
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RE: EK To BUD?
I would like to see EK expand to two destinations in Europe namely Stockholm and Brussels in particular for the below mentioned reasons:
ARN - massive Iranian and Iraqi immigrant community residing in Sweden which will adequately help feed the increased frequencies planned for BGW and EBL in particular from the autumn season onwards. ARN also in turn provides better yield than most other EU markets to the Far East due to lack of effective competition + higher purchasing power of Swedes. In the winter season though, there is a lot of tourism from Sweden bound to DXB which will help with the yields in turn as its point to point traffic.
BRU - with EK getting more access to fly to NRT plus increasing capacity to HKG, China etc operating a nonstop service using a B777 to BRU would do very well for them especially in the premium F and J class cabins. EK has built its brand now in the high end flyer category and they have the ability to easily poach pax to/from BRU away from EY/QR/LH/AF/KL bound to the Middle East, India and Far East. Yields overall to BRU are very high year round plus huge market for cargo as well which also in turn will contribute positively towards the route's financial performance over a period of time.
ARN - massive Iranian and Iraqi immigrant community residing in Sweden which will adequately help feed the increased frequencies planned for BGW and EBL in particular from the autumn season onwards. ARN also in turn provides better yield than most other EU markets to the Far East due to lack of effective competition + higher purchasing power of Swedes. In the winter season though, there is a lot of tourism from Sweden bound to DXB which will help with the yields in turn as its point to point traffic.
BRU - with EK getting more access to fly to NRT plus increasing capacity to HKG, China etc operating a nonstop service using a B777 to BRU would do very well for them especially in the premium F and J class cabins. EK has built its brand now in the high end flyer category and they have the ability to easily poach pax to/from BRU away from EY/QR/LH/AF/KL bound to the Middle East, India and Far East. Yields overall to BRU are very high year round plus huge market for cargo as well which also in turn will contribute positively towards the route's financial performance over a period of time.
RE: EK To BUD?
What I don´t really understand is why they keep Flydubai so separate, at least to my understanding. They fly to smaller markets that are not mature yet for Emirates service, yet I think it would make sense to operate these flights at least as an Emirates codeshare so you could connect more easily on EK mainline service.
RE: EK To BUD?
Hi!
I think they would fly anywhere if it was profitable. Do you think there is much business and leisure demand between the two? They might in my opinion be able to get good yields for people flying to the Far East or Australia or Africa via Dubai. I'm sure Qatar is already getting most of those passengers though so they'd have to compete with them but only them.
Just looking at the airport routemap it looks like now that Malev are not flying there would be lots of money to be made (if I'm not mistaken) on long-distance flights to the USA, South America and all over the World. It seems very strange that Hungary doesn't have a national carrier at the moment (or does it?).
Many thanks.
Pierre
| Quoting KLAXAirport (Thread starter): Would EK ever fly to BUD? Cheers, KLAXAirport |
I think they would fly anywhere if it was profitable. Do you think there is much business and leisure demand between the two? They might in my opinion be able to get good yields for people flying to the Far East or Australia or Africa via Dubai. I'm sure Qatar is already getting most of those passengers though so they'd have to compete with them but only them.
Just looking at the airport routemap it looks like now that Malev are not flying there would be lots of money to be made (if I'm not mistaken) on long-distance flights to the USA, South America and all over the World. It seems very strange that Hungary doesn't have a national carrier at the moment (or does it?).
Many thanks.
Pierre
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RE: EK To BUD?
| Quoting behramjee (Reply 8): I would like to see EK expand to two destinations in Europe namely Stockholm and Brussels in particular for the below mentioned reasons: ARN - |
There is also a large somalian population which often connects in DXB. Swedes also like DXB as a holiday destination so I think it could do well.
RE: EK To BUD?
flydubai can not launch Budapest flights because that would mean they would have to use two crews. Their furthest destination in Europe is Belgrade, that is why they have not launched flights to places such as Zagreb or Budapest.
I personally think there are more chances of seeing Etihad in Budapest than Emirates.
I personally think there are more chances of seeing Etihad in Budapest than Emirates.
RE: EK To BUD?
| Quoting Ps76 (Reply 10): It seems very strange that Hungary doesn't have a national carrier at the moment (or does it?). |
Well, they have Wizzair. That is a Hungarian airline. On the other hand, we all live in a country called EU now, so national carriers are a thing from the past. Look at AF-KL-AZ or LH-OS-LX etc.
RE: EK To BUD?
Considering EK's smallest plane is the A330, correct me if I wrong, but that would seem like a bit too much capacity. Plus BUD is notorious for low yielding VFR traffic.
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RE: EK To BUD?
| Quoting Ps76 (Reply 10): Just looking at the airport routemap it looks like now that Malev are not flying there would be lots of money to be made (if I'm not mistaken) on long-distance flights to the USA, South America and all over the World. |
Considering the current economic and political situation in Hungary, I disagree. Longhaul carriers can best serve BUD via their major hubs elsewhere in Europe.
http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/...gary-economy-idUSBRE85G08120120617
http://www.oecd.org/document/38/0,37...649_33733_49830438_1_1_1_1,00.html
RE: EK To BUD?
| Quoting behramjee (Reply 8): I would like to see EK expand to two destinations in Europe namely Stockholm and Brussels |
Stockholm, Brussels and Oslo must definitely be at the top of EK's European wish list, and I would expect at least one of those to be announced for the spring of 2013, on top of the already announced Lyon and Warsaw.
RE: EK To BUD?
| Quoting ordjoe (Reply 14): Considering EK's smallest plane is the A330, correct me if I wrong, but that would seem like a bit too much capacity. Plus BUD is notorious for low yielding VFR traffic. |
Again i refer you to reply 3 above
| Quoting rutankrd (Reply 3): Neighbouring territories within Central Europe already seem to be getting the Low Cost FlyDubai brand rather than Emirates. |
Viscount724 you further enhance the argument for the use of the FlyDubai LCC brand over Emirates .
The FlyDubai brand exists to serve high frequency regional services and low cost base mid hauls into Eastern Europe/CIS and North East Africa.
RE: EK To BUD?
kl911, correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't MA's B738s stop at DXB on the way to BKK? Not sure whether pax actually got off, or if it was for a refueling only.
There is a relatively small Hungarian ex-pat population working in Dubai, but as mentioned above there are numerous other ways to get to BUD from DXB, VIE being to most obvious. Vacation wise, Dubai is a little too expensive for most Hungarians at the moment.
Yes, and that was one of the reasons MA and eventually AA cancelled their long-haul ops at BUD. Something like 80% of MA's pax from YYZ and JFK were transit passengers.
KrisYYZ
| Quoting LondonCity (Reply 6): The Hungarian economy is not too healthy right now so potential traffic might be limited. Also remember that EK currently serves VIE which is not too far from BUD. |
There is a relatively small Hungarian ex-pat population working in Dubai, but as mentioned above there are numerous other ways to get to BUD from DXB, VIE being to most obvious. Vacation wise, Dubai is a little too expensive for most Hungarians at the moment.
| Quoting ordjoe (Reply 14): Considering EK's smallest plane is the A330, correct me if I wrong, but that would seem like a bit too much capacity. Plus BUD is notorious for low yielding VFR traffic. |
Yes, and that was one of the reasons MA and eventually AA cancelled their long-haul ops at BUD. Something like 80% of MA's pax from YYZ and JFK were transit passengers.
KrisYYZ
RE: EK To BUD?
| Quoting krisyyz (Reply 18): kl911, correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't MA's B738s stop at DXB on the way to BKK? Not sure whether pax actually got off, or if it was for a refueling only. |
I think that was Travel Express, I remember once when I was boarding a Malev flight they were boarding next to us to some exotic destination in Asia. I found it strange as it was a B738!
| Quoting krisyyz (Reply 18): There is a relatively small Hungarian ex-pat population working in Dubai, but as mentioned above there are numerous other ways to get to BUD from DXB, VIE being to most obvious. Vacation wise, Dubai is a little too expensive for most Hungarians at the moment. |
Well for those living south of Budapest there is the alternative of flying on flydubai to Belgrade (starts at €370 return) and then taking a bus. After all, Budapest-Belgrade is about 350kms.
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