This actually makes sense to me. Put on your game theory hat.
1. Virtual alliance in that QF
will not be exclusive.
is approaching saturation at SYD
. So win for EK
3. An incredible boost for EK
on regional, European, and African routes.
could better utilize European (African?) bilateral rights in partnership with EK
fill from DXB
|Quoting IrishAyes (Reply 5):|
"virtual global hub" by entering into codeshare agreements with stronger players in the Middle East, Southeast Asia and the Americas.
Why not both. QF
wins connections and forces the other two to bid against each other.
|Quoting LAXintl (Reply 10):|
QF would route many of its flights into DXB instead of Singapore currently.
Now we know what the 787s will be used for.
|Quoting Sydscott (Reply 20):|
Essentially it's still in discussion with a number of airlines about potential alliances one of which is Emirates. The other, given the media attention, is obviously Qatar.
I think it is to QF
's advantage to talk with multiple partners.
|Quoting meta (Reply 21):|
Despite QF being a founding member of Oneworld, I wonder if they would consider leaving to start their own alliance with EK.
Why? There are multiple scenarios here.
is partner and QR
joins 1W. This forces BA
/IB to form a partnership with QR
is the exclusive mid-east partner, but BA
keeps some for the current risk sharing agreement (in a new, possibly non-risk sharing form).
3. Both QR
partner with QF
. This weakens QF
's position, but also keeps EK
from becoming too dominant while granting access to EK
's two huge European bound hub waves (with a growing 3rd wave).
|Quoting mogandoCI (Reply 52):|
IIRC Germany grants EK something like 40-50 weekly flights.
Germany grants EK
access to 4 airports. EK
is constrained to offering fares at or above LH
's prices. However, Australia isn't competitive, so it would be how ever many flights EK
wishes to fly to their four German airports: FRA
, and HAM
is trying for more airports, but has been told "nein." EK
may transfer selected airports (say trade HAM
for BER, but the costs make it unlikely).
|Quoting mariner (Reply 51):|
I don't see that Emirates could achieve the same outcomes on its own.
It is win-win. QF
would gain instant access to EK
's strong hub banks. By avoiding connections that 'back-track,' it would bring in new customers. As you already noted, it would also help EK
tremendously with not only domestic Australian feed, but would grant instant additional capacity.
I believe the value of the two as perceived 'mates' would be high. It
I hadn't considered that aspect, but it is brilliant. QF
could give up FRA
(for a price) and add BER and possibly other destinations?
Serious question: How many German cities would QF
already have the bilateral rights to add? Would there be any additional benefit in Europe? e.g., added French city? More frequency to WIE
? Additional rights to Switzerland? I'm speculating, but I would bet that QF
is currently sitting on a wealth of under-utilized European bilateral rights!
I wouldn't rule out a partnership with QR
, but DXB
/EK has a better arrangement today and with concourse 3 opening up... there is room for a rapid expansion.
I will follow this thread closely... fascinating possibilities.
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