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LH Sells A340 To Thailand

Fri Jul 27, 2012 5:34 pm

http://www.skyliner-aviation.de/regdb.main?LC=nav4

Chaba Airlines is a (apparently new) charter airline from Bangkok I have never heard before.
 
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RE: LH Sells A340 To Thailand

Fri Jul 27, 2012 7:52 pm

Where is Chaba Airlines going to fly to that they would need an a340?
 
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RE: LH Sells A340 To Thailand

Fri Jul 27, 2012 8:12 pm

Good for LH to find a buyer for an A343.

I bet they would love to rotate out the A346s too. For the right price, that is...

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RE: LH Sells A340 To Thailand

Sat Jul 28, 2012 3:52 am

They will get two of them, one already in DMK, the other one scheduled for the next couple of days. There are quite a few new charter airlines in Thailand and I suspect most of them are betting on inbound charter flights from China, Japan, South Korea etc. where others like Orient Thai, Business Air and Jet Asia already concentrate on. Whether it will work is a different story, there are quite a few of these carriers like Sunny Airways and P.C. Air that have aircraft (in their case B767-200 and A310-200) but not a lot of charter business yet.
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RE: LH Sells A340 To Thailand

Sat Jul 28, 2012 4:19 am

Quoting lightsaber (Reply 2):
I bet they would love to rotate out the A346s too. For the right price, that is...

What would they replace them with? They have shown as much enthusiasm for the 777 as my cat does for a bath. It will be a long time before they can get A350's, which is what I would expect to be the replacement. Then they can worry about offloading the A346's.
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RE: LH Sells A340 To Thailand

Sat Jul 28, 2012 6:42 am

Be interesting to know how much LH got for them?
 
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RE: LH Sells A340 To Thailand

Sat Jul 28, 2012 6:53 am

Quoting Thomas_Jaeger (Reply 3):
They will get two of them, one already in DMK,

Do you know where the other came from?
 
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RE: LH Sells A340 To Thailand

Sat Jul 28, 2012 6:59 am

Quoting lightsaber (Reply 2):
I bet they would love to rotate out the A346s too. For the right price, that is...

Here we go again. With what? The 77W (yawn)? Certainly not, that plane will in less than a decade be in the position the A346 is now. And the A350-1000 is still a long way to worry much.
 
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RE: LH Sells A340 To Thailand

Sat Jul 28, 2012 7:47 am

The A340 is not a 313 but a 311. I think LH started to phase out all A340-311 slowly.
 
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RE: LH Sells A340 To Thailand

Sat Jul 28, 2012 8:22 am

Quoting ju068 (Reply 6):
Do you know where the other came from?

The first one is D-AIGA, the second one will be D-AIGK. Both ex-Lufthansa. D-AIGA has already been painted in Chaba Airlines colours.
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RE: LH Sells A340 To Thailand

Sat Jul 28, 2012 8:44 am

I am glad an A340 get a new life with a new carrier.

Quoting SEPilot (Reply 4):
What would they replace them with? They have shown as much enthusiasm for the 777 as my cat does for a bath. It will be a long time before they can get A350's, which is what I would expect to be the replacement. Then they can worry about offloading the A346's.

LH has publicly stated that a 787-10 would be an ideal replacement for their A340. LH have some of the newest A340-600 and I believe they will keep them until both the A350 and 787-10 flies.
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RE: LH Sells A340 To Thailand

Sat Jul 28, 2012 10:00 am

Where do people get the idea that Luthansa would love to dump their A346s? No, it's not as efficient as the 777 but it's still a great airplane. I'm not aware that Lufthansa isn't happy with the planes.
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RE: LH Sells A340 To Thailand

Sat Jul 28, 2012 10:26 am

Quoting ebj1248650 (Reply 11):

They are, however, not entirely happy with the A343, hence the need to find potential buyers and the replacement with still outstanding A330 orders.
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RE: LH Sells A340 To Thailand

Sat Jul 28, 2012 10:35 am

Quoting Thomas_Jaeger (Reply 9):

The first one is D-AIGA, the second one will be D-AIGK. Both ex-Lufthansa. D-AIGA has already been painted in Chaba Airlines colours.

Any pictures of the new airline livery???
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RE: LH Sells A340 To Thailand

Sat Jul 28, 2012 10:45 am

Quoting lollomz (Reply 13):
http://www.ch-aviation.ch/portal/new...akes-delivery-of-ex-lufthansa-a340

A small rendering is on this site too. Not much of an astonishing livery.
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RE: LH Sells A340 To Thailand

Sat Jul 28, 2012 11:01 am

Interesting to see that D-AIGA is not scrapped - I am surprised it got a new owner, given it is a very early A340-311.
 
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RE: LH Sells A340 To Thailand

Sat Jul 28, 2012 11:31 am

Quoting na (Reply 7):
Here we go again. With what? The 77W (yawn)? Certainly not, that plane will in less than a decade be in the position the A346 is now. And the A350-1000 is still a long way to worry much.

In LH´s internal magazine "Lufthanseat" is an interview with fleet planer Nico Buchholz being asked about the 787/A350 he says there might also be a third option which can only be 777X or the new updated A330.
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RE: LH Sells A340 To Thailand

Sat Jul 28, 2012 11:33 am

This seems consistent with previously announced fleet planning based on an overall up-guaging - very broadly A380 gradually replaces B744 which are retired, B748 gradually replaces A346, A346 gradually replaces A343 which are retired. New A333 fill in beneath.

Overall new A380s and new B748s and new A333s replace old B744s and old A343s, plus some of each for expansion.
 
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RE: LH Sells A340 To Thailand

Sat Jul 28, 2012 11:55 am

Since you asked, I have a really, really bad picture taken with my phone as I happened to see it on the 16th as it was pulled out of the hangar, the picture and the aircraft are not ready for prime time (HS- painted, but not the rest of the registration), but have uploaded it to our server anyway just as a jpeg: http://www.ch-aviation.ch/portal/stock/127.jpg
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RE: LH Sells A340 To Thailand

Sat Jul 28, 2012 12:19 pm

Still has the Lufthansa grey on its belly  
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RE: LH Sells A340 To Thailand

Sat Jul 28, 2012 3:01 pm

Quoting SQ22 (Reply 8):
The A340 is not a 313 but a 311. I think LH started to phase out all A340-311 slowly.

I have always wondered what the difference is between the two variants?
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RE: LH Sells A340 To Thailand

Sat Jul 28, 2012 3:53 pm

Quoting brilondon (Reply 20):
I have always wondered what the difference is between the two variants?

The two main differences are the engine thrust ratings - the 311 has 139kN rated CFM56-5C2's and the 313 has 151kN rated -5C4's, and the -313 has an increased MTOW (257t vs 275t from memory). There is also a rarer -312 version that has a MTOW of 260t.

In layman's terms, -311 is the initial production model and each final digit increase is an incremental improvement in performance - generally speaking.
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RE: LH Sells A340 To Thailand

Sat Jul 28, 2012 5:20 pm

Quoting tom355uk (Reply 21):
The two main differences are the engine thrust ratings - the 311 has 139kN rated CFM56-5C2's and the 313 has 151kN rated -5C4's, and the -313 has an increased MTOW (257t vs 275t from memory). There is also a rarer -312 version that has a MTOW of 260t.

A little anecdote for those who are interested: The -311 models are the laughter at LH and probably the reason why all 744 pilots would never ever want to switch to Airbus. They are a pain in the rear when it comes to climb performance, even more than the other A340s, and often enough they cannot fly specific SID's for missing the necessary vertical rate requirements.
Not too long ago a teacher of mine who knows what he's talking about told me that an A340-311 hat a GPWS warning while climbing out of a chinese airport at night. The pilots assumed system fault, since they were under positive radar control at all time. The people back in Frankfurt however knew through the ADS (transmitting relevant aircraft data to the operator automatically) that it was a close call with a mountain ridge that triggered the warning. The pilots had no idea how bad the climb performance of the aircraft really was.
And funnily enough, just recently LH sold one of the crappy -311s to the Deutsche Flugbereitschaft. Now Chanceless Merkel is cruising through the world with the underperforming bird.

Still, I love all of the A340s approach to pax noise comfort. Unbeatable until the A380 arrived.
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RE: LH Sells A340 To Thailand

Sat Jul 28, 2012 5:57 pm

Quoting Semaex (Reply 22):
And funnily enough, just recently LH sold one of the crappy -311s to the Deutsche Flugbereitschaft. Now Chanceless Merkel is cruising through the world with the underperforming bird.

Did they buy a third one? 16+01 and 16+02 are both 313X series, c/n 274 and 355.
 
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RE: LH Sells A340 To Thailand

Sat Jul 28, 2012 6:38 pm

Quoting SQ22 (Reply 23):
Did they buy a third one? 16+01 and 16+02 are both 313X series, c/n 274 and 355.

Ha! I think you're right, they are -313s, ex D-AIGR and D-AIFB and as far as I know they haven't bought a third one.
Still amusing to see LH sell the worst performing aircraft in their fleet to the head of state  
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RE: LH Sells A340 To Thailand

Sat Jul 28, 2012 6:40 pm

Quoting brilondon (Reply 20):
I have always wondered what the difference is between the two variants?

Range with full payload. The A340-313 can do up to 7000 miles, the 311 only about 6000 - which means the 311 can be totally replaced by a new A333 now. LH operates them in schedules together with A333 and slowly phases them out as A333 come in and they are no longer used.

Yes, nice to see them get anew home. They can do BKK-Europe charters easily.
 
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RE: LH Sells A340 To Thailand

Sat Jul 28, 2012 10:22 pm

Quoting Semaex (Reply 24):
Still amusing to see LH sell the worst performing aircraft in their fleet to the head of state  

VIP craft don't need stunning performance, they need to be smooth. Which an A343 is perfect at.
 
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RE: LH Sells A340 To Thailand

Sat Jul 28, 2012 10:29 pm

Quoting Semaex (Reply 24):
Still amusing to see LH sell the worst performing aircraft in their fleet to the head of state

Worst performing? Maybe, if you limit that to the longhaul fleet. If not, please be reminded, the old LH 737-300 and especially -500s are much worse gas guzzlers.
 
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RE: LH Sells A340 To Thailand

Sat Jul 28, 2012 11:18 pm

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RE: LH Sells A340 To Thailand

Sun Jul 29, 2012 1:14 am

Quoting Semaex (Reply 22):
VIP craft don't need stunning performance, they need to be smooth. Which an A343 is perfect at.

In addition, VIP flights are not loaded as much as regular commercial one. So performance is not really an issue.
 
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RE: LH Sells A340 To Thailand

Sun Jul 29, 2012 6:25 am

Quoting Semaex (Reply 22):

It still meets all certification requirements in relation to climb performance. Trouble is, early A340's with the limited takeoff weight nearly always depart close to MTOW, which affects the climb performance of any quad: see the numerous threads on all engines operative excess thrust!

On that note regarding the GPWS warning - don't Lufthansa SOP's require the TERRAIN ON ND mode on at least one of the ND's during takeoff? If so, they should have seen the ridge approaching with plenty of warning and taken action if necessary.
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RE: LH Sells A340 To Thailand

Sun Jul 29, 2012 9:01 am

The 340s also have the nickname "Dying Swan"
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RE: LH Sells A340 To Thailand

Sun Jul 29, 2012 9:58 am

Quoting na (Reply 27):
Worst performing? Maybe, if you limit that to the longhaul fleet. If not, please be reminded, the old LH 737-300 and especially -500s are much worse gas guzzlers.

No doubt they OG 737s are much worse on fuel. But when talking about performance I was referring to actual climb performance. I could've specified a little better.

Quoting PanHAM (Reply 31):
The 340s also have the nickname "Dying Swan"

  
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RE: LH Sells A340 To Thailand

Sun Jul 29, 2012 10:17 am

How much life is left in such an old A340? In terms of years, it is not THAT old (from 1993), but it is quite limited in terms of performance...
 
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RE: LH Sells A340 To Thailand

Sun Jul 29, 2012 3:47 pm

Quoting TheSonntag (Reply 33):
How much life is left in such an old A340? In terms of years, it is not THAT old (from 1993), but it is quite limited in terms of performance...

LH usually has pretty high utilization of its aircraft, which is why you don't see too many of them on the second hand market. I read somewhere on this site that these early A343s have around 85,000 hours on them, though probably relatively few cycles.
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