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alitaliadc10
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Jetstar (Australia) Resumes MEL-HNL Non-stop

Wed Aug 01, 2012 1:11 am

Jetstar Australia confirms it will resume MEL-HNL non stops from 15DEC12 as well as other capacity increases to DPS and HKT from both SYD/MEL.

More details at:

http://www.airlinehubbuzz.com/jetstar-likely-resume-mel-hnl-non-stops/
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qf002
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RE: Jetstar (Australia) Resumes MEL-HNL Non-stop

Wed Aug 01, 2012 1:20 am

That's a very interesting move. Glad to see that QF/JQ are diversifying their offering to HNL in the face of HA's expansion.

Where is this A330 capacity coming from though? Isn't there also CNS-SIN to consider (or did that end up being an A320?)
 
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RE: Jetstar (Australia) Resumes MEL-HNL Non-stop

Wed Aug 01, 2012 1:23 am

MEL-DPS increases but no MEL-BKK, interesting.

MEL-HNL looks to be 2x weekly, Tue and Sat, 4:30pm departure, 6am arrival
HNL-MEL Tue and Sat, departure 7:30am, 4:10pm+1 arrival.
 
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RE: Jetstar (Australia) Resumes MEL-HNL Non-stop

Wed Aug 01, 2012 2:40 am

qf002 I was wondering about the CNS-SIN service too - that has gone all quiet now - no updates.

Can the A320 or A321 do that non-stop? I know QF did a capacity restricted 73H CNS-SIN non-stop just after AO was closed...I was under the impression CNS-SIN was going 332.
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RE: Jetstar (Australia) Resumes MEL-HNL Non-stop

Wed Aug 01, 2012 2:52 am

Quoting qf002 (Reply 1):
Where is this A330 capacity coming from though? Isn't there also CNS-SIN to consider (or did that end up being an A320?)

There is a new A332 arriving towards the end of the year. I was wondering where QF were going to put it. I guess we now know.  
Quoting AlitaliaDC10 (Thread starter):
other capacity increases to DPS and HKT from both SYD/MEL.

Are these seasonal increases or year round?
 
vhebb
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RE: Jetstar (Australia) Resumes MEL-HNL Non-stop

Wed Aug 01, 2012 3:19 am

Quote:
There is a new A332 arriving towards the end of the year. I was wondering where QF were going to put it. I guess we now know.

Apparently the last A332 due in November is going to QF domestic.....

JQ do however have some slack in the current A330 fleet/schedules maybe these additional services are being added using the existing 11 A332s??

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RE: Jetstar (Australia) Resumes MEL-HNL Non-stop

Wed Aug 01, 2012 3:47 am

Quoting vhebb (Reply 5):
JQ do however have some slack in the current A330 fleet/schedules maybe these additional services are being added using the existing 11 A332s??

There are also adjustments in the SIN based 330's

previously SIN-PEK, SIN-AKL and SIN-MEL were daily. (total 21pw)

going forward
5pw PEK
3pw AKL
4pw KIX
7pw MEL

total 19pw.

which possibly means that some SIN-MEL operated with SIN based aircraft, freeing up MEL-HNL.
 
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RE: Jetstar (Australia) Resumes MEL-HNL Non-stop

Wed Aug 01, 2012 4:03 am

Quoting vhebb (Reply 5):
Apparently the last A332 due in November is going to QF domestic.....

Are you sure? Even with the adjustments 6thfreedom outlined, all of the additional flying to DPS from SYD & MEL along with the extra SYD-HKT would absorb quite a bit of A332 capacity along with MEL-HNL. Surely Jetstar doesn't have that much slack in the current fleet?

Quoting tayser (Reply 2):
MEL-HNL looks to be 2x weekly, Tue and Sat, 4:30pm departure, 6am arrival
HNL-MEL Tue and Sat, departure 7:30am, 4:10pm+1 arrival.

The Australian is saying 3 per week?

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/busi...grows/story-e6frg95x-1226440254215

That's why I assume it's a new plane as a 3 per week schedule for MEL-HNL basically absorbs 1 A332 for 6 days while allowing for Day 7 to be maybe an additional MEL-DPS?
 
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RE: Jetstar (Australia) Resumes MEL-HNL Non-stop

Wed Aug 01, 2012 4:58 am

Quoting Sydscott (Reply 7):
The Australian is saying 3 per week?

yeah saw that as well, just did dummy bookings for JAn, March and May 2013 and they still only show 2x weekly (Tues and Sat)

Flight numbers are JQ1 and JQ2
 
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RE: Jetstar (Australia) Resumes MEL-HNL Non-stop

Wed Aug 01, 2012 7:20 am

Excellent news re: MEL-HNL.

It certainly diversifies their offering. Let's hope it does better this time than their last attempt. VC's results on the route must have given them hope for improvement.

The other increases are also good news. Great to see JQ expanding their route network from Australia again, not just relying on doing so via SIN services.
 
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RE: Jetstar (Australia) Resumes MEL-HNL Non-stop

Wed Aug 01, 2012 7:32 am

Quoting tayser (Reply 8):
yeah saw that as well, just did dummy bookings for JAn, March and May 2013 and they still only show 2x weekly (Tues and Sat)


This answers the question;

http://centreforaviation.com/news/je...lulu-service-on-15-dec-2012-167320

It starts at 2 per week and goes to 3 on March 29th next year for peak period. Obviously some other service gets cut down on the same date to accomodate the increase.


Quoting IndianicWorld (Reply 9):
Great to see JQ expanding their route network from Australia again, not just relying on doing so via SIN services.

With the large capacity increases that have happened through SIN, I wonder if the "consolidation" that was announced when the applied for the Hong Kong AOC is more applicable to there than anywhere else. With Scoot now in hand and Air Asia expanding into Australia, the pressure is on 3K to turn a profit and be financially successful within the group. The only thing that surprises me is that there is still no OOL-SIN. Even 2 or 3 times a week given OOL is a JQ hub, I'd have thought it was a logical connection to make for the network. Anyway, there's obviously more money to be made in HNL and DPS otherwise they would have done it already.
 
IndianicWorld
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RE: Jetstar (Australia) Resumes MEL-HNL Non-stop

Wed Aug 01, 2012 7:49 am

^^ With Scoot on OOL-SIN and D7 on OOL-SIN, adding a JQ/3K flight to that mix would be a hard sell.

I do think that JQ/3K will consolidate their presence in SIN, relying on their HK ops to open up more North Asian routes, along with their Japan venture.
 
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RE: Jetstar (Australia) Resumes MEL-HNL Non-stop

Wed Aug 01, 2012 8:50 am

It's amazing to think only a couple of years ago we had less than fourteen weekly frequencies between Australia and Hawaii, with QF 3 x weekly, JQ 4 x weekly and HA 3-4 x weekly on SYD-HNL.

Now we have:
JQ 1 x daily SYD-HNL
HA 1 x daily SYD-HNL
QF 3 x weekly SYD-HNL
HA 3 x weekly BNE-HNL
JQ 2 x weekly MEL-HNL

Will be great to connect in MEL rather than SYD for JQ pax originating in PER and ADL. However that 6am arrival is definitely not attractive to tourists heading for Waikiki Hotels which often don't have rooms ready until 4pm.

[Edited 2012-08-01 01:52:50]
 
IndianicWorld
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RE: Jetstar (Australia) Resumes MEL-HNL Non-stop

Wed Aug 01, 2012 9:11 am

^^ Sorry, my post 2 up should read D7 flying OOL-KUL. Long day  

As far as capacity on the Australia-HNL route goes, I am still expecting QF to exit the SYD-HNL route at some point. This move to add JQ service from MEL may well be a step in achieving that.

[Edited 2012-08-01 02:18:05]
 
Sydscott
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RE: Jetstar (Australia) Resumes MEL-HNL Non-stop

Wed Aug 01, 2012 11:25 am

Quoting IndianicWorld (Reply 13):
This move to add JQ service from MEL may well be a step in achieving that.

I don't know. I'll bet alot of people in Melbourne buying VA tickets to HNL on HA would prefer a stop in BNE rather than SYD. This nicely cuts off HA from a potential market while increasing JQ's presence at HNL.

I agree it'll be interesting to see what QF's plans are for HNL. As a holiday route it's probably one of their better yielders so I'd be surprised if they dropped it entirely. Stranger things have happened though.

Quoting IndianicWorld (Reply 11):
With Scoot on OOL-SIN and D7 on OOL-SIN, adding a JQ/3K flight to that mix would be a hard sell.

I agree entirely.
 
ben175
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RE: Jetstar (Australia) Resumes MEL-HNL Non-stop

Wed Aug 01, 2012 3:54 pm

I wonder if within the next 3-5 years we could see PER being linked to Hawaii for one-stop USA flights. I guess I can keep dreaming!
 
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RE: Jetstar (Australia) Resumes MEL-HNL Non-stop

Wed Aug 01, 2012 10:44 pm

Quoting Ben175 (Reply 15):
I wonder if within the next 3-5 years we could see PER being linked to Hawaii for one-stop USA flights. I guess I can keep dreaming!

PER-AKL-HNL on JQ?
 
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RE: Jetstar (Australia) Resumes MEL-HNL Non-stop

Wed Aug 01, 2012 10:58 pm

I think he meant one stop to mainland USA from PER via HNL. Yes, I think that is dreaming.
 
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RE: Jetstar (Australia) Resumes MEL-HNL Non-stop

Wed Aug 01, 2012 11:20 pm

Quoting Ben175 (Reply 15):
I wonder if within the next 3-5 years we could see PER being linked to Hawaii for one-stop USA flights. I guess I can keep dreaming!

Absolutely dreaming. PER already has 9 or 10 (or is it more?) one stop options daily to the US mainland via SYD, MEL, BNE and AKL.
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RE: Jetstar (Australia) Resumes MEL-HNL Non-stop

Thu Aug 02, 2012 12:59 am

Quoting thegeek (Reply 17):
I think he meant one stop to mainland USA from PER via HNL. Yes, I think that is dreaming.

PER-CNS-HNL-LAX? or PER-CNS-LAX? CNS-LAX is 787 do-able.
 
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RE: Jetstar (Australia) Resumes MEL-HNL Non-stop

Thu Aug 02, 2012 1:20 am

I think the dream is demand rather than aircraft capability based.....
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RE: Jetstar (Australia) Resumes MEL-HNL Non-stop

Thu Aug 02, 2012 8:00 am

Quoting Sydscott (Reply 19):

Why not just CNS-LAX. PER-CNS is a four weekly JQ A320, very little local traffic. And if the PER market is even half of what many members talk it up to be, the PER-LAX demand is just mining families flying F through SYD and MEL...

I'd say PER-JNB with a 787 is more likely than CNS-LAX though (to be clear, I think both are very unlikely!)

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