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RE: Turkish Aviation August 2012

Wed Aug 22, 2012 11:10 am

Quoting tcm (Reply 98):
PC joins FZ (Fly Dubai) and G9 (Air Arabia) in offering flights from SAW to DXB. So we have now EY, EK, TK. FZ, G9 and PC connecting the UAE to Turkey, quite impressive...

Istanbul Sabiha Gokcen – Dubai
PC660 SAW2155 – 0405+1DXB 738 x126
PC661 DXB0505 – 0810SAW 738 x237

I saw this coming long time ago; in fact, I'm suprised it took them so long since FlyDubai and Air Arabia serve that route for a long time now.
On the other hand it is very nice to see PC expanding in a healthy way. It seems like they do their homework before entering a markt. Can we see more Middle East destinations since Istanbul is becoming more and more popular in the Arab world?
 
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RE: Turkish Aviation August 2012

Wed Aug 22, 2012 1:49 pm

Quoting stylo777 (Reply 97):
and ECN being count as domestic

Yeah I noticed that.

I wonder if Northern Cyprus is included in reporting by folks like IATA as part of the Turkey also. From a practical point of view its very much tied into the Turkish domestic market, so I guess its makes sense to count it as such.

Quoting stylo777 (Reply 100):
Can we see more Middle East destinations since Istanbul is becoming more and more popular in the Arab world?

For fun here are the largest Turkey - Middle East markets

Istanbul - Cairo / 1,437 / 8 / +142.8%
Istanbul - Kuwait / 1,323 / 7 / +159.8%
Istanbul - Tehran / 1,115 / 5 / +20.3
Istanbul - Dubai / 1,062 / 5 / +41.4%
Istanbul - Jeddah / 973 / 4 / +6.7
Istanbul - Madinah / 872 / 3 / +38.7%
Istanbul - Beirut / 795 / 5 / +19.0%

Some amazing growth rates
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RE: Turkish Aviation August 2012

Thu Aug 23, 2012 4:31 pm

Quoting LAXintl (Reply 101):

Istanbul - Cairo / 1,437 / 8 / +142.8%
Istanbul - Kuwait / 1,323 / 7 / +159.8%
Istanbul - Tehran / 1,115 / 5 / +20.3
Istanbul - Dubai / 1,062 / 5 / +41.4%
Istanbul - Jeddah / 973 / 4 / +6.7
Istanbul - Madinah / 872 / 3 / +38.7%
Istanbul - Beirut / 795 / 5 / +19.0%

Very interesting, though i cannot believe that Kuwait gets 7 flights daily from IST...
 
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RE: Turkish Aviation August 2012

Thu Aug 23, 2012 5:47 pm

Quoting Turkish350XWB (Reply 102):
Very interesting, though i cannot believe that Kuwait gets 7 flights daily from IST...


IST-KWI is 3x daily TK and 1x daily KU (total 4x daily ex IST). the other 3 flights must be from SAW?!?
also IST-CAI seems to be wrong, as far as I know TK-MS combined have up to 5x departures on certain days.
 
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RE: Turkish Aviation August 2012

Thu Aug 23, 2012 6:40 pm

Quoting stylo777 (Reply 103):
IST-KWI is 3x daily TK and 1x daily KU (total 4x daily ex IST). the other 3 flights must be from SAW?!?

Jazeraa Airways (J9) serves KWI from SAW. The figures might also include Wataniya Airways which used to serve IST but has ceased operations due to financial difficulties last year.
 
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RE: Turkish Aviation August 2012

Thu Aug 23, 2012 8:15 pm

Should TK dive in now to get these 789 slots?   

QF Cancel 35 787-9 Order After $245m Loss (by alvse Aug 22 2012 in Civil Aviation)
 
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RE: Turkish Aviation August 2012

Fri Aug 24, 2012 10:55 am

Quoting stylo777 (Reply 103):
IST-KWI is 3x daily TK

Uff, when did this happen. Quite impressive...

Quoting ASA (Reply 105):
Should TK dive in now to get these 789 slots?
QF Cancel 35 787-9 Order After $245m Loss

Good idea. I don't believe that there is a huge difference between the A350 and the B787. Both are state-of-the-art aircraft. As long as it fits your network, price and delivery conditions seem (at least to me) more important than choosing the specifically 100% right fitted aircraft... I mean, a growing airline like TK will always find the right destination to deploy that aircraft. They are swapping planes anyway.
 
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RE: Turkish Aviation August 2012

Fri Aug 24, 2012 11:33 am

Interesting video featuring a TK flight to NRT and a TK C/A with a Ozzie accent.

link: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G97_J...ce7_E&feature=youtube_gdata_player
 
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RE: Turkish Aviation August 2012

Fri Aug 24, 2012 4:05 pm

Quoting tcm (Reply 107):
Interesting video featuring a TK flight to NRT and a TK C/A with a Ozzie accent.

The F/O speaks very fluent English too. But the purser.. Ooooh the purser  )
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RE: Turkish Aviation August 2012

Fri Aug 24, 2012 4:44 pm

Quoting TurkishWings (Reply 108):
The F/O speaks very fluent English too. But the purser.. Ooooh the purser )

At least she is pretty (and smiling might I add)  

A different but related topic... Of my last 8 flights, all but 1 have been on other Star Alliance airlines. I have to say that, I didn't find TK cabin crew less attentive or ruder than LH (2 flights) or LX (3 flights, 1 on Helvetic). Only TP (2 flights) (surprisingly) has smiling, cheerful F/A with a friendlier attitude. In fact I found LH cabin crew rather distant and snob. And although both my LH flights featured the "new" seats and cabin, they didn't even have overhead monitors - or they were not deployed - let alone PTV. What's with that?
 
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RE: Turkish Aviation August 2012

Fri Aug 24, 2012 8:42 pm

Quoting leftyboarder (Reply 109):
And although both my LH flights featured the "new" seats and cabin, they didn't even have overhead monitors - or they were not deployed - let alone PTV. What's with that?

It's called "Enhancements"   No wardrobes, thinner seats but more "living space".

TK has probably the best cabin product in Europe for both Y and C with IFE (PTVs), leather seats (2x2 for J/C) and decent seat pitch on their new a/c ( bar the A319s). Had a couple of BA band-2 Club Europe flights this week and even TK's domestic J/C would beat BA's CE in terms of catering and service. TK's IST lounge is also miles ahead of BA's Galleries at LHR T5. Regarding cabin crew, I think TK still needs to work on consistency and language skills. But things are improving.

On the ground, well, that's what really drags down TK in terms of quality. They need to improve the experience of their transit pax at IST.
 
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RE: Turkish Aviation August 2012

Fri Aug 24, 2012 9:55 pm

Quoting tcm (Reply 110):
On the ground, well, that's what really drags down TK in terms of quality. They need to improve the experience of their transit pax at IST.

  

But as much as they improve their ground staff, as long as passport control officers or security officers also start to treat people nicer, the whole experience will not be great.
 
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RE: Turkish Aviation August 2012

Sat Aug 25, 2012 2:08 am

Quoting tcm (Reply 107):

That Aussie speaking captain is a friend of mine who i grew up with here in Melbourne, he was in command of the A340 for many years with TK i guess moving over to the 77W must be the better choice for him. On a different matter as ASA mentioned on reply 105 I would also agree with him with Qantas canceling 35 787-9 this would be a good opportunity for TK to dive in and maybe take up 12 or so of these slots ? I'm sure TK787 would agree yes ?
 
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RE: Turkish Aviation August 2012

Sat Aug 25, 2012 7:04 am

Quoting TK773ER (Reply 112):
I'm sure TK787 would agree yes ?

Good morning,
Well it has been many years since I took that username and I really don't know at this point if TK will order the 787.
I agree with the latest news about more 77W/330 aircraft for the near future.

On another note; I flew DLM-SAW with KK last night and here are few notes;
It is nice to be at DLM were planes are taking off, landing late at night, almost like a real airport. I took the Havas bus from Marmaris for 15liras and it is nice that the prices finally came down after Pegasus introduced their own buses.

Our plane was TC-ATD A319 in really good shape, FAs dressed up just the way you see them on their ads with hats. I was able to understand the FA and the Captain's annoucements. I was surprised to see the 8J seats up front. 117 pax last night, 90% load on a Friday night. I paid 4 days in advance $95 for one way ticket online. I was able to check in on my phone, select seats.

Perfect flying conditions last night and KK was able to serve drink service and a cheese sandwich on this short 55 min. flight.

SAW was busy with tons of PGS flights getting ready. I remember to see a handful of planes only few years back, but this time bunch of different airlines. Many in few years we start to see bigger aircraft.

In terminal and outside the terminal it feels more and more like a bus depot in the Middleast.

My first time taking HAVATAS to Kadikoy. Havas was there but only serving to Izmit, routes to Kadikoy and Taksim are taken over by HAVATAS. How did this all happen? I am definetly waiting more competition from PGS or even a eventual metro connection to Kadikoy-Kartal line.

All and all I was again pleased by KK. A nice addition to DLM-SAW choices and they have nothing inferior compared to TK or PGS.

Finally, I was able to rebook my IST-JFK Y+ ticket and will be on my way to NYC next week. Because of Bayram business all flights are booked (or they say)
 
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RE: Turkish Aviation August 2012

Sat Aug 25, 2012 8:33 am

Quoting TK773ER (Reply 112):
35 787-9 this would be a good opportunity for TK to dive in and maybe take up 12 or so of these slots ? I'm sure TK787 would agree yes ?

Well, Boeing can use these slots to partially recover the delays on the program. Or they might market some of it to TK. At the right price, Boeing could be doing something very beneficial for itself by putting the 787 into the TK fleet. A long term investment.
 
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RE: Turkish Aviation August 2012

Sat Aug 25, 2012 9:15 am

As expected, the main reason behind the change of heart regarding TK's VLA order is the still deteriorating global economic climate according to the TK Chairman. Also, as suggested, TK is looking to prey on special offers by manufacturers.

link: http://www.airkule.com/default.asp?page=haber&id=12450 (Turkish)
 
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RE: Turkish Aviation August 2012

Sat Aug 25, 2012 11:44 am

Quoting tcm (Reply 107):
Interesting video featuring a TK flight to NRT and a TK C/A with a Ozzie accent.

Oh, that vid was interesting. Thanks.

Quoting TK773ER (Reply 112):
On a different matter as ASA mentioned on reply 105 I would also agree with him with Qantas canceling 35 787-9 this would be a good opportunity for TK to dive in and maybe take up 12 or so of these slots ?

Why 12 ? Can the same time slot deliver a 787-8 instead of a 787-9 ?

Quoting robcol99 (Reply 114):
Boeing could be doing something very beneficial for itself by putting the 787 into the TK fleet

Agree. Once they place the 787 into TK fleet, following orders may come.

Quoting tcm (Reply 115):
As expected, the main reason behind the change of heart regarding TK's VLA order is the still deteriorating global economic climate according to the TK Chairman

Makes sense. I ask myself what has changed compared to 2 months ago when they announced their "urgent" need for VLA?
 
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RE: Turkish Aviation August 2012

Sun Aug 26, 2012 8:55 am

I flew Istanbul Bodrum with anadolu jet couple of days ago from SAW and very interestingly (for me ,first time) after we took off plane made a left turn , cross the bosphorus , we took the Ataturk airport to our left ( I was able to see lending and taking off the planes from Ataturk and we finally crossed the marmara after the cekmece lake. After all trip still took just litle under 1 hour . I was also surprised to see how steep 737-700 took off up to the crusing altetude. On the way back anadolu jet plane was replaced by TK plane was it normal ? do they swap TK planes and anadolu jet palnes often?
 
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RE: Turkish Aviation August 2012

Sun Aug 26, 2012 9:41 am

Quoting umit (Reply 117):

Fun take off route.

-On another note, I saw this other thread that Icelandair is starting ANC, how long before we see TK starting to fly to Iceland? Maybe with 739s?
-And I hear that "Ticaret Odasi" is doing a big event in Mexico City. What will it take TK to fly nonstop to MEX? 787 will be nice....wink wink.!!!
 
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RE: Turkish Aviation August 2012

Sun Aug 26, 2012 11:17 am

How is the IST-EDI route doing, loads appear to be between 70-80% as an unsual mix of aircraft used on the route. Any signs of increasing the frequency ?
 
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RE: Turkish Aviation August 2012

Sun Aug 26, 2012 3:23 pm

Airblue planning to link SAW to a new European destination to be launched in September.
 
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RE: Turkish Aviation August 2012

Sun Aug 26, 2012 5:48 pm

Perhaps a stupid question. As Turkish decided against going ahead with their VLA purchase,would they consider buying Air India's 77L's? They said they would be adding more 777's to their fleet. Perhaps like Emirates they could right size the plane for the route!
 
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RE: Turkish Aviation August 2012

Sun Aug 26, 2012 6:50 pm

TK already has spoken with AI.
AI wants pricing that covers their payments, however the market pricing on the aircraft is lower. So unless AI agrees to take a loss and part with them on going commercial terms TK wont be touching them.
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RE: Turkish Aviation August 2012

Mon Aug 27, 2012 3:30 am

Quoting georgiabill (Reply 121):
Perhaps a stupid question. As Turkish decided against going ahead with their VLA purchase,would they consider buying Air India's 77L's? They said they would be adding more 777's to their fleet. Perhaps like Emirates they could right size the plane for the route!

not stupid at all. makes perfect sense if TK wants to fill the 777/330 requirements quickly enough. in fact, 77Ls maybe more suitable for the longest flights ... GRU, IAH, LAX etc ... don't those flights face payload penalties?
 
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RE: Turkish Aviation August 2012

Mon Aug 27, 2012 6:25 am

Quoting LAXintl (Reply 122):
TK already has spoken with AI.
AI wants pricing that covers their payments, however the market pricing on the aircraft is lower. So unless AI agrees to take a loss and part with them on going commercial terms TK wont be touching them.

Do you know if they were to consider them, would you retrofit to a higher seating config? Get rid of the F/C and change it with U/C maybe?
 
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RE: Turkish Aviation August 2012

Mon Aug 27, 2012 8:15 am

TK starts FIH flights as of today with 737-900ERs. After SN and AF, TK is the 3rd european carrier for FIH.
 
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RE: Turkish Aviation August 2012

Mon Aug 27, 2012 3:28 pm

Quoting georgiabill (Reply 121):
,would they consider buying Air India's 77L's
Quoting LAXintl (Reply 122):
TK already has spoken with AI.

Heh, where did this pop out ? Why does AI want to get rid of them? And how many frames would TK take?

Quoting emrecan (Reply 125):
TK starts FIH flights as of today with 737-900ERs

Can anyone tell me if there is a big difference for passengers between TK's 739s and WB aircraft ? As i haven't flown a NB more than 5 hours i cannot imagine the passenger experience and if they can compete with other airlines on that route flying WB.

Is it know how the loads are on their African routes?
 
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RE: Turkish Aviation August 2012

Mon Aug 27, 2012 3:55 pm

Quoting robcol99 (Reply 124):
Do you know if they were to consider them, would you retrofit to a higher seating config? Get rid of the F/C and change it with U/C maybe?

Discussions never got that far, however yes I suspect now with TK having a new J class product it would have reconfigured around that.

Quoting Turkish350XWB (Reply 126):
Heh, where did this pop out ?

AI has been looking to lease out 777 capacity for several years now... Here are a few threads.

Air India To Lease Out 777s (by NA Oct 6 2009 in Civil Aviation)
AI To Lease Out B777 (by aviationbuff May 15 2010 in Civil Aviation)
Air Canada In Talks To Lease 5 B777-200LRs (by pictues May 27 2012 in Civil Aviation)

Quoting Turkish350XWB (Reply 126):
Why does AI want to get rid of them?

Take a look at any of the Air India discussions. But essentially the company is a mess, and in a deep financial hole for the Indian government.

Quoting Turkish350XWB (Reply 126):
Is it know how the loads are on their African routes?

One of the recent traffic reports had some info -- as I recall load factor was in the low 70% range, and Africa now represented a bit under 10% of network revenue. (soon might pass Americas)
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RE: Turkish Aviation August 2012

Mon Aug 27, 2012 4:53 pm

Quoting umit (Reply 117):
I flew Istanbul Bodrum with anadolu jet couple of days ago from SAW and very interestingly (for me ,first time) after we took off plane made a left turn , cross the bosphorus , we took the Ataturk airport to our left ( I was able to see lending and taking off the planes from Ataturk and we finally crossed the marmara after the cekmece lake. After all trip still took just litle under 1 hour . I was also surprised to see how steep 737-700 took off up to the crusing altetude. On the way back anadolu jet plane was replaced by TK plane was it normal ? do they swap TK planes and anadolu jet palnes often?

All SAW-ADB and SAW-BJV flights take that particular route... I am also curious as to know why but it adds a good 10 minutes to the flight...

Quoting by738 (Reply 119):
How is the IST-EDI route doing, loads appear to be between 70-80% as an unsual mix of aircraft used on the route. Any signs of increasing the frequency ?

I am not sure about the overall performance but all flights operated with over 90-95% occupancy last week with a mix of 320, 738 and 319s...

Huge thunders outside in Istanbul right now... IST and SAW will become a real mess it seems  
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RE: Turkish Aviation August 2012

Mon Aug 27, 2012 5:40 pm

Quoting TurkishWings (Reply 128):
All SAW-ADB and SAW-BJV flights take that particular route... I am also curious as to know why but it adds a good 10 minutes to the flight...

I also took this flight a few times this summer on various airlines and almost always we did exactly that. I was even more surprised though, on my last BJV-SAW flight on AnadoluJet, we took off and then made an almost 250 degrees left turn to east, flew all the way to Denizli, and then flew north/northwest to SAW... That was really peculiar.

Quoting LAXintl (Reply 127):
One of the recent traffic reports had some info -- as I recall load factor was in the low 70% range, and Africa now represented a bit under 10% of network revenue. (soon might pass Americas)

For Jan-Jul 2012, RPK for Africa 2990mn up 44% YoY, LF is 73.1%. 932000 pax carried up 49.6% YoY. What is impressive in the numbers is that, although overall pax is up 20%, RPK is up 29%.
 
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RE: Turkish Aviation August 2012

Mon Aug 27, 2012 5:46 pm

Quoting emrecan (Reply 125):
TK starts FIH flights as of today with 737-900ERs. After SN and AF, TK is the 3rd european carrier for FIH.

Not a brilliant start though.. 50% in Y and 80% in C... I guess it takes time to build a new route though...
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RE: Turkish Aviation August 2012

Mon Aug 27, 2012 9:29 pm

Quoting LAXintl (Reply 127):
AI has been looking to lease out 777 capacity for several years now... Here are a few threads.

Ah that one... And they are still searching. I can remember that i wrote in this forum that TK could try those 77L's for direct Australia ops. Long time ago... Thanks.

Quoting LAXintl (Reply 127):
One of the recent traffic reports had some info -- as I recall load factor was in the low 70% range, and Africa now represented a bit under 10% of network revenue. (soon might pass Americas)
Quoting leftyboarder (Reply 129):
For Jan-Jul 2012, RPK for Africa 2990mn up 44% YoY, LF is 73.1%. 932000 pax carried up 49.6% YoY. What is impressive in the numbers is that, although overall pax is up 20%, RPK is up 29%.

But 70% is quite ok, isn't it. On anna.aero there is a comparison of the big 4 in Europe LHR FRA CDG AMS and CDG has the most destinations to Africa with 40. This year end TK from IST will have 30 destinations. Interesting strategy, looking forward to the results.
 
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RE: Turkish Aviation August 2012

Tue Aug 28, 2012 7:32 am

Quoting Turkish350XWB (Reply 126):
Can anyone tell me if there is a big difference for passengers between TK's 739s and WB aircraft ? As i haven't flown a NB more than 5 hours i cannot imagine the passenger experience and if they can compete with other airlines on that route flying WB.

Well, actually, for Y pax the seats are the same on TK's 739s as the latest WB a/c. For J/C pax, it is the leather Comfort seats with a slightly better recline, so no lie-flats in any form.

Quoting LAXintl (Reply 127):
One of the recent traffic reports had some info -- as I recall load factor was in the low 70% range, and Africa now represented a bit under 10% of network revenue. (soon might pass Americas)

TK is looking to expand in Africa. Places like Luanda should prove to be interesting.
 
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RE: Turkish Aviation August 2012

Tue Aug 28, 2012 10:00 am

A nice, recent report of TK C class BKK-IST-LAX here: Turkish TK 009: OCT/11: IST-LAX: J Cab (by abrelosojos Jun 21 2012 in Trip Reports)

I don't understand why it is taking so long to refurb the A330-200 fleet. The A340-300s will be sold, I get it, but aren't they going to keep the 332s? Why are they still looking like from the last decade?
 
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RE: Turkish Aviation August 2012

Tue Aug 28, 2012 10:33 am

Quoting stylo777 (Reply 100):
Can we see more Middle East destinations since Istanbul is becoming more and more popular in the Arab world?

Absolutely, the Turkish influence in the Arab World has sky rocketed in the past decade. For so many reasons, tourists from all over the Middle East (Lebanon, Jordan, Egypt, Gulf) are now flocking to Turkeys: vibrant hotels of all categories, excellent infrastructure, great cuisine, proximity to resorts along the Turkish Riviera, cheaper deals than most of western Europe and last but not least, a culture that is quite similar to the Arab World.

You can also say that Turkish soap operas have stimulated a great deal of interest in the country from curious Arab travelers.

More and more flights between Turkey and the Arab World will be added as this tourism industry is growing.

It's quite amazing to see Turkish Airlines already serve 6 destinations in Saudi Arabia including Yanbu and Taif, something no other foreign carrier has ever done.

I am particularly looking forward to a very quick construction and completion of Istanbul's proposed new airport north of the city. All my personal travels from Bahrain route via Istanbul when going west. Excellent product in every sense.
 
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RE: Turkish Aviation August 2012

Tue Aug 28, 2012 6:51 pm

Making my winter travel plans ... I thought TK is going to have 5w flights to DAC from W12. But looks like it is not loaded in the reservation system yet. Shouldn't that be on already (if the plan is firm)?

http://airlineroute.net/2012/04/27/tk-dacjfk-w12/
 
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RE: Turkish Aviation August 2012

Tue Aug 28, 2012 6:57 pm

Quoting AsoRock (Reply 134):
More and more flights between Turkey and the Arab World will be added as this tourism industry is growing.

The possibility of visa free travel for most Arab nationals is also a very important pull factor.

Quoting leftyboarder (Reply 133):
I don't understand why it is taking so long to refurb the A330-200 fleet. The A340-300s will be sold, I get it, but aren't they going to keep the 332s? Why are they still looking like from the last decade?

AFAIK, refurbs are expensive. Both in monetary terms and timing. The cabin product in the Y cabin (for A332s and A340s) have the on demand IFE (no wifi or TV), footrests and moveable headrests; so not much to improve. For J/C the staggered lie flats are certainly inferior to the Contour seats (available on the 77Ws and A333s) but are still on par with most airlines offerings these days. For example, SQ still use their Spacebeds (Similar cabin product to TK's old J/C) for flights to IST. The same goes for EK, with various cabin products. LH are only just introducing their new seats (fully lie flats) on their long-haul fleet. So in short, looking at TK, the two L/H cabin products (excluding the ex-QR A332 on lease) are quite good compared to the competition.
 
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RE: Turkish Aviation August 2012

Tue Aug 28, 2012 9:40 pm

Quoting tcm (Reply 132):
Well, actually, for Y pax the seats are the same on TK's 739s as the latest WB a/c. For J/C pax, it is the leather Comfort seats with a slightly better recline, so no lie-flats in any form.

Does a Y class passenger feel a difference beside the seat (which is equal here)

Quoting leftyboarder (Reply 133):
I don't understand why it is taking so long to refurb the A330-200 fleet. The A340-300s will be sold, I get it, but aren't they going to keep the 332s? Why are they still looking like from the last decade?

I also have the impression that TK has not taken the final decision how their planes should be configured as the airline is growing so fast. Maybe they are waiting to reach a certain size to take a decision on interior and configurations and they will change the whole fleet within a short time period. Seems like they are trying to gain some experience and are experimenting. I cannot imagine that such an ambitious airline e.g. flies with different cabins in both economy and business class, 2-3-2 configuration in 77W C class and i am not sure if they will not introduce F in distant future and increase the number of C class seats.
 
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RE: Turkish Aviation August 2012

Wed Aug 29, 2012 1:10 am

Quoting Turkish350XWB (Reply 137):
I cannot imagine that such an ambitious airline e.g. flies with different cabins in both economy and business class, 2-3-2 configuration in 77W C class

Would it make sense for TK to enhance C/J class with 2-2-2 on 777. or even 2-2-1? Then bring Economy Comfort to all remaining Airbus wide-bodies, A330/A340. I always wonder about the value of the Business Class when I get the same width with Comfort Class (note: I'm not always fond of all flat bed) for fraction of the cost, especially to/from North America.
 
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RE: Turkish Aviation August 2012

Wed Aug 29, 2012 8:47 am

I just want to say hi to all of you guys, although I have been following airliners since 2004 this is the first time I post in this forum,

I have question about Seabird Airlines, maybe you could help. They are a new airline flying from Alaçatı to İstanbul and Bodrum also from Istanbul to Bozcaada using a Twin Otter. However they have suspended their flights between 18th and 29th August due to technical reasons,

Does anyone have any idea why they are not flying? is it either due to maintenance or as suggested by some commentators in airport haber, due to suspension of their AOC? ( link is bellow) I am asking this because I want to fly with this airline ( I have never been on a seaplane ) and I just want to make sure it is an airline that is good on regulations and maintenance.

http://www.airporthaber.com/havacili...erleri/seabirdden-zorunlu-ara.html
 
NuD38
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RE: Turkish Aviation August 2012

Wed Aug 29, 2012 9:02 am

Now I see why TK had issues with credit cards! They were using a primitive system that was putting them under a lot of pressure. TK had to compensate in case of a fraud. That was the very same reason that passangers all suffered with credit card verification at the airport and online buying.

Finally (thanks to increasing frauds    and warnings from VISA company that they would suspend TK account) they invested into a safer system called cybersource. Once it is in use, I expect to have easier experiences to buy online tickets from TK web site.

Isn't it funny that an airline company with a 5* target takes action after years of passenger complaints just because now they also suffer from the same issue?
 
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RE: Turkish Aviation August 2012

Wed Aug 29, 2012 10:20 am

Quoting vincewy (Reply 138):
Would it make sense for TK to enhance C/J class with 2-2-2 on 777. or even 2-2-1? Then bring Economy Comfort to all remaining Airbus wide-bodies, A330/A340

2-2-2 seating in B777 J class makes sense to me, even though this results in the seats being wider than in the A330/340. Economy comfort in the Airbusses would be nice to have for a uniform configuration in the fleet, but i do not know if this makes sense strategywise as those planes are smaller...

Quoting LLA001 (Reply 139):
I just want to say hi to all of you guys, although I have been following airliners since 2004 this is the first time I post in this forum,

Welcome !!

Quoting NuD38 (Reply 140):
That was the very same reason that passangers all suffered with credit card verification at the airport and online buying.

Ahhh, this is the reason for it?? I always was wondering. For this i bought tickets for my familiy on online ticket agencies for avoiding this...

Quoting NuD38 (Reply 140):
Isn't it funny that an airline company with a 5* target takes action after years of passenger complaints just because now they also suffer from the same issue?

We can put this into the category "small detail that cannot be seen by the customer at the first glance but many of these deficiencies can affect a passengers travelling experience" or "it doesn't matter if the wall is solid as long as it's coating is nice".
 
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RE: Turkish Aviation August 2012

Wed Aug 29, 2012 10:42 am

Quoting Turkish350XWB (Reply 141):
2-2-2 seating in B777 J class makes sense to me, even though this results in the seats being wider than in the A330/340. Economy comfort in the Airbusses would be nice to have for a uniform configuration in the fleet, but i do not know if this makes sense strategywise as those planes are smaller...

I think for the sake of consistency they should have it. They do send the 332 to ORD and 343 to IAD while LAX, YYZ and JFK get 333/77W. So that alone results in a disparity between service levels and offerings. They can remove a few C and a few Y to install some Y+ in those as well.

I am still wondering if they have enough planes to open IAH next summer.
 
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RE: Turkish Aviation August 2012

Wed Aug 29, 2012 11:52 am

Quoting leftyboarder (Reply 142):
I think for the sake of consistency they should have it. They do send the 332 to ORD and 343 to IAD while LAX, YYZ and JFK get 333/77W. So that alone results in a disparity between service levels and offerings. They can remove a few C and a few Y to install some Y+ in those as well.

Then they also would have Y+ on Indian routes which are around 6 hours.

Quoting leftyboarder (Reply 142):
I am still wondering if they have enough planes to open IAH next summer.

...and if there is so much demand that they open the route with a B77W which on 4w equals 5w on a A343.
 
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RE: Turkish Aviation August 2012

Wed Aug 29, 2012 2:03 pm

LH will discontinue IST-TXL, ADB-TXL and ESB-FRA in winter; however, SAW is on the agenda once more.

Quoting NuD38 (Reply 140):
Finally (thanks to increasing frauds and warnings from VISA company that they would suspend TK account) they invested into a safer system called cybersource. Once it is in use, I expect to have easier experiences to buy online tickets from TK web site.

... and hopefully we will be able to purchase tickets with their very own Miles&Smiles AMEX cc  
 
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RE: Turkish Aviation August 2012

Wed Aug 29, 2012 2:29 pm

Aircraft seating configurations is a very complicated science.

Going simply from 2-3-2 on the 77W to 2-2-2 would means a 15% reduction in cabin revenue. Is the average fare or people going to pay THY an additional 15% extra to make up for this?

At the end of the day, there is only so much floor space to play with. The goal of each airline is to maximize the revenue mix onboard for each configuration. There can literally be 100s of different mix match combinations for this.

One thing to keep in mind for THY is that its not a very revenue strong carrier - like J class it offers many low fare specials (just look at Trip reports people make from Far East to LAX via IST), so by this nature configurations will tend to be more dense to make up for this.

In regards to Y+ class, yes I agree it could be beneficial to roll it out on the A330 (and possibly on 340 depending on their longevity).
However I would say this needs to be carefully reviewed. Since the A330 fleet runs many short-haul markets also, will the loss of the regular economy seats be made up with enough counter revenue by Y+. I suspect this could be a problem, as its unlikely many economy passenger would be willing to pay 25-30% more on a shorthaul route to cover the revenue loss from reduced regular Y seats. In essence Y+ might be simply produce revenue about the same as regular Y by default on many markets, with the reduced seats producing reduced total revenue onboard.
Having a standard product to the Americas and Far East that includes Y+ makes sense, however being stuck with the seats on all the remaining flying might be more negative financially at the end of the day.

Quoting stylo777 (Reply 144):
and ESB-FRA in winter;

How could they, with all that demand and premium traffic at ESB  
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RE: Turkish Aviation August 2012

Wed Aug 29, 2012 2:31 pm

Quoting Turkish350XWB (Reply 143):
Then they also would have Y+ on Indian routes which are around 6 hours.

I guess so  
Quoting stylo777 (Reply 144):
LH will discontinue IST-TXL, ADB-TXL and ESB-FRA in winter; however, SAW is on the agenda once more.

None of the big Europeans managed to make regional to IST work... AF failed, AZ (I think they tried TRN-IST) failed, now LH gives up. Then again, TK can't make ESB-Europe work either.
 
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RE: Turkish Aviation August 2012

Wed Aug 29, 2012 2:39 pm

Quoting LAXintl (Reply 145):
How could they, with all that demand and premium traffic at ESB

I think FRA sucks as a connection point. MUC is much more useful... The early morning departures from ESB and IST to MUC carry almost no O&D as far as I know.

By the way, I was appalled at the way Germans treated passengers arriving from IST on LH (probably same for TK too)... Before the actual passport controls, all pax are stopped in the middle of an empty corridor that is sizzling hot with no seating, and kept waiting while some rude officers perform a pre-check on everyone's passports and visas. No word on what is being done, no announcements. If this is standard practice now, I would rather travel through CDG and face the surly French police.
 
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LAXintl
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RE: Turkish Aviation August 2012

Wed Aug 29, 2012 2:43 pm

Quoting leftyboarder (Reply 147):
By the way, I was appalled at the way Germans treated passengers arriving from IST on LH (probably same for TK too)... Before the actual passport controls, all pax are stopped in the middle of an empty corridor that is sizzling hot with no seating, and kept waiting while some rude officers perform a pre-check on everyone's passports and visas. No word on what is being done, no announcements. If this is standard practice now,

Been like that in Germany since the 1970s.
Border Police would pre-inspect passengers at the the aircraft door, jetway or gate area.

I've also seen in the UK arriving from Turkey.
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RE: Turkish Aviation August 2012

Wed Aug 29, 2012 4:48 pm

Quoting LAXintl (Reply 145):
Going simply from 2-3-2 on the 77W to 2-2-2 would means a 15% reduction in cabin revenue. Is the average fare or people going to pay THY an additional 15% extra to make up for this?

With a 2-2-2 seating you can maybe even attract passengers to take TK as 2-3-2 could be a killer for some of them.

Quoting LAXintl (Reply 148):
Been like that in Germany since the 1970s.
Border Police would pre-inspect passengers at the the aircraft door, jetway or gate area.

Well, my home airport is/was NUE and i took dozens of flights from IST on TK and only experienced 2 times that police let passengers pass a drug dog. That's all. Maybe FRA is so strict ??

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