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RE: Olympic Glory - Caribbean Aviation 101*

Sun Aug 26, 2012 12:12 am

Quoting GUYAIR707 (Reply 49):
Wow that is going to be rough, please stay safe.

Good news on the BW 763, I am anxious to see pics of the 763 in POS and live in GEO.

GUYAIR707

Thank you for your concern GUYAIR707.

Everything should hopefully be okay with the right preparation. This is the first real hurricance threat in 7 years for Florida, so this is my first time seeing all the activities prior to the turbulent weather's landfall (as I've only been here 4 years). As for now, all schools and businesses will be closed on Monday and a State of Emergency has been implemented by Florida's Governor Rick Scott just to have emergency units on hand if anything catastrophic occurs.

I haven't seen CAL issue any advisory or notice as yet concerning their combined 5x daily flights out of South FL. Let's hope they do soon.
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RE: Olympic Glory - Caribbean Aviation 101*

Sun Aug 26, 2012 1:16 am

Quoting BW424 (Reply 46):
Flight numbers from AA into POS have changed with the exception of the afternoon POS-MIA sector, AA 1668.

Funny enough the same happened for ANU with only MIA-ANU not changing.

AA 1907/1906 is now 1907/406 MIA-ANU-MIA
AA 673/678 is now 799/660 JFK-ANU-JFK
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RE: Olympic Glory - Caribbean Aviation 101*

Sun Aug 26, 2012 1:47 am

Quoting BW424 (Reply 46):
Quoting LimaFoxTango (Reply 51):

Interesting, any reason for this change? Numbers being used elsewhere maybe?
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RE: Olympic Glory - Caribbean Aviation 101*

Sun Aug 26, 2012 8:37 am

Quoting caribbean484 (Reply 45):
IMO daily is way to much and we already know how aggressive CAL gets into POS with competition, but I agree that I consider WS or B6 competition rather than some fly by night CEO complaining of unfair competition or another airline with an ax to grind.

I am tired of hearing comments of people trying to start airlines that fly in the Caribbean as Fly By Night CEO's. While some dont have the knowledge of how to fully run an airline some others do. I am certain that some of them invested in the original BWIA and want to be in aviation someway other than just buying a ticket. There are many people with a passion for aviation but just can get in or are thrown out because their knowledge of the industry and it frightens the people already there who are doing a crappy job in running the airlines or aviation companies they are at. Look at CAL , who calls them selves the Caribbean Airline, it was so insulting to the other Islands especially Jamaica and Grenada That CAL could not even put the names of the other Olympic medalist on their aircraft honoring their achievements.

As a former investor myself I am still asking the question as to why the Government did not allow the investors to invest in the new airline moving forward and no one wants to or can answer the question yet still the are asking people to invest in and support the Travel & Tourism industry in Trinidad and Tobago.

I am going to try and apply to CAL a couple more times and if I get denied or not called I will be one of those Fly By Night CEO's and start a little airline because of the passion and vision I have for the industry and yes I do know it takes a lot of money to do and even if I dont get the 10 to 30 million to start I will get something done.

[Edited 2012-08-26 01:40:27]
 
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RE: Olympic Glory - Caribbean Aviation 101*

Sun Aug 26, 2012 3:48 pm

Quoting BW424 (Reply 46):
AA1819/1818 is now AA1663/2282

Oh no, what will our a.net friend AA1818 do?  

All I can say is good riddance to that cursed 1818 flight number for me. I have flown it a number of times (my wife too) and every single time it has been late etc. My wife was even on the flight that had the landing gear problem and had to return to POS.
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RE: Olympic Glory - Caribbean Aviation 101*

Sun Aug 26, 2012 9:11 pm

Quoting LimaFoxTango (Reply 51):
Funny enough the same happened for ANU with only MIA-ANU not changing.

AA 1907/1906 is now 1907/406 MIA-ANU-MIA
AA 673/678 is now 799/660 JFK-ANU-JFK

I guess it's across the board?

Quoting 817Dreamliiner (Reply 52):
Interesting, any reason for this change? Numbers being used elsewhere maybe?

Airline's can change flight numbers whenever they see it fit for whatever reason they may have. There's a method behind the madness....lol

Quoting yellowtail (Reply 54):
Oh no, what will our a.net friend AA1818 do?  

All I can say is good riddance to that cursed 1818 flight number for me. I have flown it a number of times (my wife too) and every single time it has been late etc. My wife was even on the flight that had the landing gear problem and had to return to POS.

LOL....that's what I thought concerning AA1818.
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Mon Aug 27, 2012 4:29 am

I'm still here. It is sad to see my namesake flight number disappear.

Looking forward to seeing the BW 763s in POS.

When will the afternoon AA POS-MIA flight revert to a 763?

AA1818 (now known as AA2282) lol
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RE: Olympic Glory - Caribbean Aviation 101*

Mon Aug 27, 2012 9:37 pm

Quoting aa1818 (Reply 56):
When will the afternoon AA POS-MIA flight revert to a 763?

No clue...AFAIK, the B752 is on the sector indefinitely

Quoting aa1818 (Reply 56):
Looking forward to seeing the BW 763s in POS.

Reports out of POS now say that 9Y-LGW is scheduled to arrive tomorrow (Tuesday) at 2pm EST.
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RE: Olympic Glory - Caribbean Aviation 101*

Mon Aug 27, 2012 9:58 pm

Quoting aa1818 (Reply 56):
I'm still here. It is sad to see my namesake flight number disappear.

Lol well man maybe you can negotiate with a.net admins to make the change lol.

Quoting aa1818 (Reply 56):
When will the afternoon AA POS-MIA flight revert to a 763?

I doubt we will be seeing it again as they apparently move it to CCS. But it will be interesting to know why the change? Is it BW MCO flight?
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RE: Olympic Glory - Caribbean Aviation 101*

Mon Aug 27, 2012 10:08 pm

Since my friends over in RTB would argue and say they are more like the Caribbean (lots of ties) than Central American, guess it is fitting to report this here as well.

Starting Nov 17:

MIA-RTB AA1523 1305 1415 Saturday B738
RTB-MIA AA1670 1520 1815 Saturday B738
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Mon Aug 27, 2012 11:00 pm

American Airlines increases service from Miami to St Kitts

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BASSETERRE, St Kitts (CUOPM) -- American Airlines, which operates a scheduled daily non-stop flight from Miami International Airport to St Kitts’ Robert L. Bradshaw International Airport, is to add two-nonstop flights to St Kitts in November, bringing the number of flights from the Sunshine State to nine weekly.

According to the St Kitts Tourism Authority’s public relations firm in New York, the two additional flights beginning on November 16, 2012, just in time to impact the peak winter 2012/2013 travel season, will operate from Miami on Fridays and Sundays, supplementing the carrier’s existing daily non-stop service from Miami and allowing for more connections from North American and international feeder markets.

St Kitts and Nevis Minister of Tourism and International Transport, Sen. Richard Skerritt said the addition of two rotations over critical weekend days from Miami will provide additional options for travelers to and from the twin-island Federation.

“These flights will meet the growth in demand that we anticipate in 2013 and are ideally timed for moving honeymoon and romance travelers as well as meeting and incentive groups, presenting us with more opportunity to build upon these key niche North American markets,” Skerritt said.

“With additional service to St Kitts, American Airlines now offers customers even more travel options and convenient access to one of the Caribbean’s most tranquil isles,” said Art Torno, American’s vice president – Mexico, the Caribbean and Latin America.

“We are pleased to expand our service to this beautiful and breathtaking destination,” he added.
 
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RE: Olympic Glory - Caribbean Aviation 101*

Tue Aug 28, 2012 3:10 am

Quoting caribbean484 (Reply 58):
I doubt we will be seeing it again as they apparently move it to CCS. But it will be interesting to know why the change? Is it BW MCO flight?

Interesting....I really wonder if BW's MCO flight is making such a dent? I wouldn't bet on it, but who knows......the MCO operation is soon going to be 4x weekly.

Quoting yellowtail (Reply 59):

Since my friends over in RTB would argue and say they are more like the Caribbean (lots of ties) than Central American, guess it is fitting to report this here as well.

Starting Nov 17:

MIA-RTB AA1523 1305 1415 Saturday B738
RTB-MIA AA1670 1520 1815 Saturday B738

AA is really increasing flying out of MIA as they said they would. What's the frequency?

Quoting wadadli (Reply 60):
American Airlines increases service from Miami to St Kitts

And here again! The SKB-MIA route has developed nicely.......I'm sure they're making a killing on that route.
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RE: Olympic Glory - Caribbean Aviation 101*

Tue Aug 28, 2012 7:48 pm

BW's first B763W has just landed at POS.

Pictures to follow soon.
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RE: Olympic Glory - Caribbean Aviation 101*

Tue Aug 28, 2012 8:58 pm

Quoting BW424 (Reply 62):

Nice looking forward to the pics. Glad you survived the storm.

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RE: Olympic Glory - Caribbean Aviation 101*

Tue Aug 28, 2012 9:15 pm

Quoting GUYAIR707 (Reply 63):
Nice looking forward to the pics. Glad you survived the storm.

Haha...thanks GUYAIR707 for the concern. Yes, those of us in South Florida survived. Some places were hit with heavier rains than others, but all in all, everything is fine on my end....

Here is a pic of 9Y-LGW



Courtesy R. Sukhbir

[Edited 2012-08-28 14:16:43]
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RE: Olympic Glory - Caribbean Aviation 101*

Tue Aug 28, 2012 9:38 pm

Quoting GUYAIR707 (Reply 63):

Agree thanks for the concern.

http://sphotos-b.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash3/551672_3621869741940_601707469_n.jpg

http://sphotos-a.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-snc6/255290_10152099624950601_1788233642_n.jpg

http://sphotos-a.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-snc7/304959_10152099622575601_1443240982_n.jpg

She will be used on POS-GEO-JFK-GEO-POS as soon as it is certified by the TTCAA, It will not do POS-LGW until CAL does proving ETOP 180mins re-certification.

[Edited 2012-08-28 15:37:18]
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RE: Olympic Glory - Caribbean Aviation 101*

Tue Aug 28, 2012 10:34 pm

Quoting BW424 (Reply 64):
Quoting caribbean484 (Reply 65):

Great pics guys! Thanks for sharing those. Great to finally see CAL get its 767, sign of moving forward.
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Tue Aug 28, 2012 11:15 pm

Quoting BW424 (Reply 64):
Quoting caribbean484 (Reply 65):

GREAT!!!!! Love the pics and sweet to hear it will be doing the 526/527 run. Hopefully as soon as this weekend, if I can get a flight. FC looks good and seat back IFE's, can't get much better. I can't wait to get onboard!!! I am returning on 9/16, so keeping my fingers crossed.

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RE: Olympic Glory - Caribbean Aviation 101*

Wed Aug 29, 2012 9:58 am

Quoting caribbean484 (Reply 65):

Great, finally! don't know how to say that in English: "Better later than never" 
 
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Wed Aug 29, 2012 4:27 pm

Hey guys, thanks for starting the new thread, congratulations to all the Caribbean achievements during the Olympics and congratulations on Caribbean Airlines receiving their first 767!!! BW424 I have read your email about flights to AUA but haven't gotten a chance to investigate as I am abroad due my children's birth. Everything is okay and I will reply as soon as I can. My apologies.

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RE: Olympic Glory - Caribbean Aviation 101*

Wed Aug 29, 2012 4:55 pm

Quoting beeweel15 (Reply 53):
I am going to try and apply to CAL a couple more times and if I get denied or not called I will be one of those Fly By Night CEO's and start a little airline because of the passion and vision I have for the industry and yes I do know it takes a lot of money to do and even if I dont get the 10 to 30 million to start I will get something done.

Follow your dreams, sir!!! We just might be able to pull it off!

Quoting yellowtail (Reply 54):
Oh no, what will our a.net friend AA1818 do?  

LOL!

Nice to see the pics of the 763! I am PRAYING the IFE works well!!

Also, for the love of GOD, would BW please honor the other olympians! This will get messy if they "dilly dally"!!! This reminds me of when Kamla snubbed UVF and SVD when they were hit by the hurricane a few years ago. After political and media pressure, she had to travel to those places to save face.
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Wed Aug 29, 2012 11:13 pm

Quoting westindian425 (Reply 70):
Also, for the love of GOD, would BW please honor the other olympians! This will get messy if they "dilly dally"!!! This reminds me of when Kamla snubbed UVF and SVD when they were hit by the hurricane a few years ago. After political and media pressure, she had to travel to those places to save face.

I don't see why CAL should be obligated to do this. While I agree it will be a very nice gesture and would gain some points in the PR department, I wouldn't hold CAL to this. What I will say, is that Gov't of Jamaica should be pushing for this giving their 16 odd percent stake in CAL. I would question their silence. Note I haven't heard a peep from anyone here regarding LI's plan to dedicate an aircraft to Kirani James, which is now long overdue IMO.
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RE: Olympic Glory - Caribbean Aviation 101*

Thu Aug 30, 2012 7:21 am

Quoting LimaFoxTango (Reply 71):
I don't see why CAL should be obligated to do this. While I agree it will be a very nice gesture and would gain some points in the PR department, I wouldn't hold CAL to this. What I will say, is that Gov't of Jamaica should be pushing for this giving their 16 odd percent stake in CAL. I would question their silence.

I agree with you 250%!! Though CAL is majority owned by the GORTT, the GOJ holds a significant stake. But, this just goes to show the paltry change in human resources at the board and government level. I also see that they are placing the TT 50th anniversary logo on all the noses of the 738s......bad taste. Jamaica is celebrating their 50th as well....The CAL fb page has a nice combined logo that would have been much much better to use.

Quoting A388 (Reply 69):
Hey guys, thanks for starting the new thread, congratulations to all the Caribbean achievements during the Olympics and congratulations on Caribbean Airlines receiving their first 767!!! BW424 I have read your email about flights to AUA but haven't gotten a chance to investigate as I am abroad due my children's birth. Everything is okay and I will reply as soon as I can. My apologies.

No reason to apologize my friend. Take your time. Priorities are priorities. Hope your new family is doing well.

Quoting GUYAIR707 (Reply 67):
I am returning on 9/16, so keeping my fingers crossed.

Don't hold me to it, but I anticipate she she be working that 526/527 by then.
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Thu Aug 30, 2012 10:23 am

Quoting GUYAIR707 (Reply 67):
GREAT!!!!! Love the pics and sweet to hear it will be doing the 526/527 run. Hopefully as soon as this weekend, if I can get a flight. FC looks good and seat back IFE's, can't get much better. I can't wait to get onboard!!! I am returning on 9/16, so keeping my fingers crossed.

Sorry chap, the 767 won't be flying at that time because according to sources it will be a month before we see them in the skies due to TTCAA getting their house in order.

http://sphotos-a.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash4/394551_3624935538583_2068713015_n.jpg

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Thu Aug 30, 2012 1:57 pm

Quoting BW424 (Reply 72):
Don't hold me to it, but I anticipate she she be working that 526/527 by then.

Than would be great...

Quoting caribbean484 (Reply 73):
Sorry chap, the 767 won't be flying at that time because according to sources it will be a month before we see them in the skies due to TTCAA getting their house in order.

There is always next time.

Great pics. Seats are different, and it doesn't seem they did the customary fly by.

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Thu Aug 30, 2012 6:07 pm

Quoting LimaFoxTango (Reply 71):

The govt of Jamaica doesnt care the slightest about BW so will not agitate for Bolt, They wanted a politically expedient way to dump Air Ja as the IMF demanded this and they desperately need their support.

Indeed they have given approval to a new airline, that will definitely erode into BWs market share as it targets the VFR. At least for the few months that it remains in existence before it collapses.

Its up to BW to heighten its profile among Jcans and show them that it is their airline too. As usual they have missed this opportunity as they cant see anything beyond Piarco.
 
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Thu Aug 30, 2012 7:01 pm

Quoting GUYAIR707 (Reply 74):
Than would be great...

C484 gave the update...Unfortunately, it seems she may not be in revenue service by then..  
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Thu Aug 30, 2012 10:19 pm

Ok guys we have been talking about it so here it is

http://sphotos-a.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-prn1/538898_10152074164650215_387815975_n.jpg

Additional logo approved by Jamaican authorities.
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Thu Aug 30, 2012 10:48 pm

Quoting caribbean484 (Reply 77):

Well... at least its something. Better than nothing at all.
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Fri Aug 31, 2012 12:05 am

Quoting 817Dreamliiner (Reply 78):
Well... at least its something. Better than nothing at all.

What am I missing?
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RE: Olympic Glory - Caribbean Aviation 101*

Fri Aug 31, 2012 1:45 am

I think it looks silly.
Caribbean Airlines + Air Jamaica + Spirit of Negril + 50 Years Independence.
too much trying to be said on this plane.

Time to streamline these airlines and airplanes. Becoming an eye and ear sore.
It's awkward when you're working an Air Jamaica plane with a Caribbean Airlines call sign.
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Fri Aug 31, 2012 5:28 am

Quoting Inbound (Reply 80):
I think it looks silly.
Caribbean Airlines + Air Jamaica + Spirit of Negril + 50 Years Independence.
too much trying to be said on this plane.

Agreed...way to much, very tacky and unprofessional........a rush job of sorts...
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Fri Aug 31, 2012 10:13 am

Quoting BW424 (Reply 81):
Agreed...way to much, very tacky and unprofessional........a rush job of sorts...

Okay, I get it....It's something I guess. They could have kept the 50 years of independence and gotten rid of everything else.

Quoting Inbound (Reply 80):
Time to streamline these airlines and airplanes. Becoming an eye and ear sore.
It's awkward when you're working an Air Jamaica plane with a Caribbean Airlines call sign.

It happens in the industry. Not that unusual to me. But they may as well streamline things. It is not as if they gain market share with planes painted in the JM livery. Besides weren't they ordered to repaint the JM planes?
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Fri Aug 31, 2012 10:01 pm

Quoting GUYAIR707 (Reply 74):
Great pics. Seats are different, and it doesn't seem they did the customary fly by.

Sorry for not saying earlier.....yes, th aircraft did do a fly-by. Here is a video.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8M9l55XnbQc&feature=share

Quoting JM017 (Reply 82):
Okay, I get it....It's something I guess. They could have kept the 50 years of independence and gotten rid of everything else.

Yes....and its very confusing considering all JM painted aircraft will be in CAL livery eventually.

Quoting JM017 (Reply 82):
It happens in the industry. Not that unusual to me. But they may as well streamline things. It is not as if they gain market share with planes painted in the JM livery. Besides weren't they ordered to repaint the JM planes?

Well, politics again is holding up the "brand consolidation" initiative with a ministerial team from both governments looking at the issue. So all removal of JM logos/livery is indefinitely on hold at the moment.
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Sat Sep 01, 2012 12:12 am

Quoting BW424 (Reply 83):
Well, politics again is holding up the "brand consolidation" initiative with a ministerial team from both governments looking at the issue. So all removal of JM logos/livery is indefinitely on hold at the moment.

Well of course it is   

So, they want it to die, but not so much. Man these people are a joke.
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Sat Sep 01, 2012 12:26 am

There seems to be planning issues, either with the TTCAA or both. Given that the planes were parked for months couldnt some of the certification which is holding up commercial flights not have been done during this period. Also when they originally scheduled the LGW routes didnt some body think about ETOPS and figuring out how to get it? Evfen if TTCAA didnt have the audit that would have held up the intro of the planes for that route in any case.

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Sat Sep 01, 2012 12:38 am

Quoting guyanam (Reply 85):

The a/c are not owned by LAN, they are leased from the ILFC and there is a reason why you cannot certify an a/c unless they are in the country of ownership which has control over the said a/c. While in MEX it was said CAL paid no money for the a/cs lease as they did not take ownership of them, not until they are delivered with the registration on them.

ETOPS takes a very long time to earn and the a/cs have to be "reconfigured" in POS to meet CAL and the TTCAA standards. But in short yes someone did not plan the entire issue because I doubt CAL would have been able to the the 767 out of the bat to LGW since they did not have ETOPS 180mins.

In the mean time they will be flying in October from JFK-GEO and POS-YYZ until the clearance is given for LGW.

9Y-LHR came in today.

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Sat Sep 01, 2012 2:20 am

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RE: Olympic Glory - Caribbean Aviation 101*

Sat Sep 01, 2012 3:23 am

Quoting caribbean484 (Reply 87):

LHR looks very good, is the FC different from LGW?

I saw the article on open skies (Guyana & US) but didn't mention it as there seems limited interest in Guyanese aviation (you being one of the few) on this thread, but how do you see this affecting Guyana since we don't really have an airline? Unless the GOG is planning for EZjet. In addition, there is limited interest in GEO outside JFK and MIA and maybe FLL, by any potential US airline.

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Sat Sep 01, 2012 3:34 am

Quoting GUYAIR707 (Reply 88):
LHR looks very good, is the FC different from LGW?

Nah they are the same.

Quoting GUYAIR707 (Reply 88):
but how do you see this affecting Guyana since we don't really have an airline? Unless the GOG is planning for EZjet. In addition, there is limited interest in GEO outside JFK and MIA and maybe FLL, by any potential US airline.

Not much interest as you said, most Guyanese live in NYC area and then MIA/FLL and MCO rounds up the market. Florida to Guyana is a small market accounting for 10% of CAL's passenger loads.
Like everywhere else Opensikes is as good as the market you are trying to target maybe the next one can be Canada.
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Sat Sep 01, 2012 7:37 am

Quoting guyanam (Reply 85):
There seems to be planning issues, either with the TTCAA or both. Given that the planes were parked for months couldnt some of the certification which is holding up commercial flights not have been done during this period. Also when they originally scheduled the LGW routes didnt some body think about ETOPS and figuring out how to get it? Evfen if TTCAA didnt have the audit that would have held up the intro of the planes for that route in any case.

You seem to forget one fundamental thing; that being CAL was and still somewhat is a whole new beast under the warped stewardship of a hands on political board that only cared about scoring cheap political points. I'm sure many right thinking individuals in management at the time were against it (as was CAL's former VP Operations), but Nicholas just removed anyone or anything that opposed him. So, all planning went out the window.

Quoting guyanam (Reply 85):
LAN is laughing their way to the bank.

The planes were returned by LA to ILFC.

Quoting caribbean484 (Reply 86):
In the mean time they will be flying in October from JFK-GEO and POS-YYZ until the clearance is given for LGW.

Let's hope these 763s can be cash-cows despite their disturbing political conception.
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Sun Sep 02, 2012 11:47 am

I had to make an unplanned visit to jamaica at short notice so ended up flying from LHR to MBJ via MIA. This being a different route to my previous trip, I decided to do a trip report. BA And AA To MBJ In Business Class (by JM02 Sep 2 2012 in Trip Reports)

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Tue Sep 04, 2012 7:07 pm

Quoting GUYAIR707 (Reply 88):

I guess they will use the Open Skies as a way of promoting service to GEO by various US carriers.
The decent numbers of Guyanese living in GA,DC,and FL do not seem to generate traffic to the levels that one would expect, except maybe at Xmas/Summer. Maybe these folks moved from NYC so travel back there tfor VFR purposes.

I wonder how the MIA GEO PBM service is doing, because that is likely to be very GEO dependent, given that PY also has 3x via AUA to MIA.. AA has been aware of GEO for a long time but at this point wil definitely not do anything. The Gvt of GY claims that they are talking to B6, but GEO isnt suitable for their a/c. And MCo/FLL to GEO definitely is not in the cards and JFK is too far from GEO.

Quoting BW424 (Reply 90):

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That is exactly where the planning issues are coming from. I feel confident that Mr Corbie is bombarded every day by "experts", both the current and former Chairmen, who had no idea of ETOPS and the planning involved, nor the certification process. And as he is "acting" he pretty much has to do as he is told.

Its good that CAL didnt "receive" the planes until recently so isnt liable for the delay in MEX. At least they dont have to pay the penalty of mandates by the "experts".
 
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Wed Sep 05, 2012 2:59 am

Quoting BW424 (Reply 83):
Sorry for not saying earlier.....yes, th aircraft did do a fly-by. Here is a video.

Thanks, loved the video, always amazes me how a bird that big can do that. I did find a photo that showed the flyby after I posted that.

On BW527 on Thursday morning, will try to post a few pics.

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Wed Sep 05, 2012 3:05 am

Quoting guyanam (Reply 92):

I agree, that is why I was wondering what the benefit to Guyana was by signing this, except hoping for future development. The current GOG is certainly not equipped to negotiate deals to bring US carriers to GEO, sorry to say. Only the free market loads will determine the viability of a carrier coming to GEO, GOG will not give any incentives.

It's not like EZjet, if it became the flagcarrier, will be suddenly flying to LAX, for example.

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Wed Sep 05, 2012 12:19 pm

Quoting guyanam (Reply 92):
The Gvt of GY claims that they are talking to B6, but GEO isnt suitable for their a/c. And MCo/FLL to GEO definitely is not in the cards and JFK is too far from GEO.

From what I'm hearing, B6 wants to develop SJU into a hub similar to COPA's PTY. If that is the case, perhaps a GEO route would come in the future. However, I don't think it's in the near future.
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Wed Sep 05, 2012 2:08 pm

Quoting westindian425 (Reply 95):
From what I'm hearing, B6 wants to develop SJU into a hub similar to COPA's PTY. If that is the case, perhaps a GEO route would come in the future. However, I don't think it's in the near future.

A B6 hub @ SJU would mean that all international-international or international-U.S.domestic passengers would have to go thru U.S. customs and immigration if they were to connect @ SJU. That can't be a good selling point when compared to CM PTY hub.

IMHO, if B6 wants to make a move in GEO, best for them would be to start with FLL-GEO twice or thrice weekly and see how it performs.
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Wed Sep 05, 2012 2:36 pm

Quoting 2travel2know2 (Reply 96):
A B6 hub @ SJU would mean that all international-international or international-U.S.domestic passengers would have to go thru U.S. customs and immigration if they were to connect @ SJU. That can't be a good selling point when compared to CM PTY hub.

AA/MQ did it for years without much problem. However, what I will say is the distance from immigration/customs to B6's new terminal is a ridiculously long walk and will be a huge turnoff to many travelers (at least it is to me).
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RE: Olympic Glory - Caribbean Aviation 101*

Wed Sep 05, 2012 3:24 pm

Quoting GUYAIR707 (Reply 94):

I think its just a marketing tool to signal to carriers that they have open access. Several CARICOM nations have it, even though only T&T, Suriname, The Bahamas and the OECS (LIAT) have the means to reciprocally benefit from it.

As some one said however there is little likelihood of service to GEO, except from JFK,. No carrier is going to enter a crowded field. Ironically the presence of EZjet precludes another US carrier on the route, even if they had an interest.

BTW have you heard any comments about PYs MIA nonstops from GEO? That might be an indicator as to whether there exists potential for other routes.

Quoting westindian425 (Reply 95):

I agree.

Quoting LimaFoxTango (Reply 97):

Any more rumors about B6 into ANU? Will they fill the gap if AA/MQ vanishes, as is currently speculated?
 
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Wed Sep 05, 2012 8:53 pm

Personally i think what was happening was that B6's bread at butter was Caribbean and that was supporting their cutthroat fares in the rest of the country. DL then answered by cutting the fares to the DR / SJU etc our of JFK so B6 had to match. DL took the fight to B6.

So now B6 is being forced to try to squeeze every last dollar out of SJU before considering anthing else
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