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ANA SJC-NRT Starts Jan 11 2013

Tue Aug 21, 2012 2:03 pm

ANA just confirmed it's schedule for it's 2HFY12 including the start date and timetable for the highly anticipated SJC-NRT route:

Link to Press Release:
http://www.rns-pdf.londonstockexchange.com/rns/4496K_1-2012-8-21.pdf

Highlights of SJC service:
Narita

San Jose timetable
Route Narita

San Jose
Start of service January 11, 2013 (Fri)
Schedule
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NH1076
Narita 17:35

San Jose
10:10
NH1075
San Jose 11:45

Narita
16:10
(Next day)
* 5 flights / week (Mon, Wed, Fri, Sat, Sun)
(Between March 10 and March 30, flights will arrive in San Jose one hour later)
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RE: ANA SJC-NRT Starts Jan 11 2013

Tue Aug 21, 2012 2:08 pm

Great news for SJC! I know that it has been announced months ago, but still good to see it confirmed!
 
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RE: ANA SJC-NRT Starts Jan 11 2013

Tue Aug 21, 2012 2:11 pm

Good for SJC.....I hope everything pans out...I really do!
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RE: ANA SJC-NRT Starts Jan 11 2013

Tue Aug 21, 2012 2:21 pm

Silicone force one nice addition ANA
 
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RE: ANA SJC-NRT Starts Jan 11 2013

Tue Aug 21, 2012 3:12 pm

Congrats to SJC! I hope the route does well.

(I also see confirmation that SEA will see the 787 to NRT beginning Oct 1.)

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RE: ANA SJC-NRT Starts Jan 11 2013

Tue Aug 21, 2012 9:01 pm

It's so great to see this route return. AFAIK, the route always did great for AA until they decided they didn't care about SJC anymore.

The departure out of SJC on the AA 777 was really interesting. Normally flights to the north do the "Loop" departure from the 30s. You literally make a large loop around San Jose and pass back over, or near, SJC at about 7000 feet. That gets them over arriving and departing traffic patterns at SFO and OAK.

However, the AA 777 got a special routing each day to take off and level off at 5000 feet and fly up over the peninsula and foothills, near SFO, and then pass over about Pacifica and then head out overwater. They wouldn't start climbing above 5000 feet until then. It was a really spectacular scenic flight. I assume the 5000 foot block was again to stay between other traffic patterns.

I did once see the AA 777 doing the loop over San Jose though. It will be interesting to see what the ANA 787 does for departure.
 
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RE: ANA SJC-NRT Starts Jan 11 2013

Tue Aug 21, 2012 9:31 pm

This flight has been long in the making. I have heard VN airlines is watching very closely to see how the market does. This was briefly mentioned in an SFO posting. But in speaking with some people on the board of directors for SJC, VN feels the 777 is too much plane, but maybe perfectly sized for a shot at a 787/350 type of equipment. I could be wrong, but AA did so well in the TYO market and added TPE (for a short time), I don't think it's unforeseeable to have NH's 773 here if this flight really becomes something. I am not sure if it would max the runway and need weight restrictions depending on weather etc (if the equipment was bugger than a 787).. It will be quite interesting to see how this plays with the loads on UA/NH from SFO. I hope this is just the beginning for more great things to come into SJC. Although cost of living is so expensive here, more people could actually hurt the economy. My son and I are looking at moving into the Santa Clara area (median 2-bedroom is $2800.00 a month). Really weird double-edged sword.
 
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RE: ANA SJC-NRT Starts Jan 11 2013

Tue Aug 21, 2012 11:36 pm

There is also an article in today's Mercury News about the announcement and in has an interesting quote from Bill Sherry, the airport director.

Quote from article:

"If ANA does well in the first three to six months and load factors are high -- and I have all the confidence it will be -- I think in the middle to latter part of 2013 you'll start hearing announcements about flights to points in Europe and Korea" from San Jose, said Bill Sherry, the airport's aviation director. "It's a game changer."

Article here: ANA announces new Boeing 787 flights San Jose and Tokyo
 
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RE: ANA SJC-NRT Starts Jan 11 2013

Tue Aug 21, 2012 11:39 pm

I wonder what the introductionary fares will be..... Congrats to SJC!!!!  
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RE: ANA SJC-NRT Starts Jan 11 2013

Wed Aug 22, 2012 2:50 am

Quoting whosee (Reply 7):
"If ANA does well in the first three to six months and load factors are high -- and I have all the confidence it will be -- I think in the middle to latter part of 2013 you'll start hearing announcements about flights to points in Europe and Korea" from San Jose, said Bill Sherry, the airport's aviation director. "It's a game changer."

SJC is the perfect size for the 787's. Does the San Jose area still have all those premium travelers? Good luck to ANA at SJC! But we get the ANA 787's first at SEA starting 10/1. :-P
 
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RE: ANA SJC-NRT Starts Jan 11 2013

Wed Aug 22, 2012 2:54 am

alright!!! I hope the prices are cheap! Looking for alternatives to get to Japan in March!
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RE: ANA SJC-NRT Starts Jan 11 2013

Wed Aug 22, 2012 3:56 am

Quoting wedgetail737 (Reply 9):
But we get the ANA 787's first at SEA starting 10/1.

And UA has been contracted to do the mx on those airplanes in SEA per the United employee website. That is pretty cool though!
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RE: ANA SJC-NRT Starts Jan 11 2013

Wed Aug 22, 2012 10:42 am

Quoting olddominion727 (Reply 6):
I don't think it's unforeseeable to have NH's 773 here if this flight really becomes something. I am not sure if it would max the runway and need weight restrictions depending on weather etc (if the equipment was bugger than a 787).

I don't think it would max the runway or face penalties. SJO has an 11,000 foot runway (SFO's longest is only longer by 830 feet or something), no altitude issues to deal with and weather in the bay area is temperate and cool - never turns into an inferno from my experience in the summertime. I think NH could easily send a 777-300ER if it does well enough.
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RE: ANA SJC-NRT Starts Jan 11 2013

Wed Aug 22, 2012 1:28 pm

Quoting SQ452 (Reply 12):
SJO

That would be SJC (San Jose, CA)...not SJO (San Jose, Costa Rica).
 
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RE: ANA SJC-NRT Starts Jan 11 2013

Wed Aug 22, 2012 1:29 pm

Quoting SQ452 (Reply 12):
SJO has an 11,000 foot runway (SFO's longest is only longer by 830 feet or something)

LOL going to be the ICAO police here:

SJC = San Jose, CALIFORNIA.

SJO = San Jose, COSTA RICA

Although, I know you were referring to the former  
 
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RE: ANA SJC-NRT Starts Jan 11 2013

Wed Aug 22, 2012 2:23 pm

Quoting wedgetail737 (Reply 9):

SJC is the perfect size for the 787's. Does the San Jose area still have all those premium travelers? Good luck to ANA at SJC! But we get the ANA 787's first at SEA starting 10/1. :-P

Easily - not only SJC is in the heart of Silicon Valley (the old techs plus the new Dot Com 2.0 companies), but lots of pax in East Bay along 680 and 880 would definitely choose the convenience of SJC.

With UA being the only legacy airline hubbing there, most of the premium pax are already part of Star Alliance base, so getting them to fly ANA instead of UA should be a walk in the park.

If ANA really wants to go bold, they could also deploy their 787s to PHL.
 
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RE: ANA SJC-NRT Starts Jan 11 2013

Wed Aug 22, 2012 2:38 pm

Quoting SQ452 (Reply 12):
I don't think it would max the runway or face penalties. SJO has an 11,000 foot runway (SFO's longest is only longer by 830 feet or something), no altitude issues to deal with and weather in the bay area is temperate and cool - never turns into an inferno from my experience in the summertime. I think NH could easily send a 777-300ER if it does well enough.

Yeah, no problem. the 777-300ER is actually a fairly hot performing airplane. It definitely isn't the A340-200.   With those 115,000 pound thrust engines, it would have absolutely no problem flying from SJC-NRT with a full payload if NH so desired.
 
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RE: ANA SJC-NRT Starts Jan 11 2013

Wed Aug 22, 2012 3:49 pm

Also, its a 5-minute drive to the new 49ers Stadium in Santa Clara. Go 9ers and excellent news for San Jose.
Since I work on the corner of 1st and Charcot, looking forward to seeing the 787 takeoff during my daily walks.
 
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RE: ANA SJC-NRT Starts Jan 11 2013

Wed Aug 22, 2012 3:49 pm

Quoting BoeingGuy (Reply 5):
You literally make a large loop around San Jose and pass back over, or near, SJC at about 7000 feet. That gets them over arriving and departing traffic patterns at SFO and OAK.

Close, but this departure requires crossing the SJC VOR at or above 12,000' on the way back around.

Quoting BoeingGuy (Reply 5):
However, the AA 777 got a special routing each day to take off and level off at 5000 feet and fly up over the peninsula and foothills, near SFO, and then pass over about Pacifica and then head out overwater.

All Pacific traffic uses this route. From SJC it's vectors to OSI then direct to the first oceanic fix. Maintain 3000' initially, then 5000' until past the SFO arrivals corridor.
 
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RE: ANA SJC-NRT Starts Jan 11 2013

Wed Aug 22, 2012 4:05 pm

Quoting 26point2 (Reply 18):
Quoting BoeingGuy (Reply 5):
You literally make a large loop around San Jose and pass back over, or near, SJC at about 7000 feet. That gets them over arriving and departing traffic patterns at SFO and OAK.

Close, but this departure requires crossing the SJC VOR at or above 12,000' on the way back around.

Oh. I thought I heard an AS Captain once state it was 7000 feet, so that's why I thought that. He was explaining why we were seeing the same scenery a second time. I've flown SJC-SEA a million times and always love the loop departure. I hate it when the 12s are in use instead.

Quoting 26point2 (Reply 18):
Quoting BoeingGuy (Reply 5):
However, the AA 777 got a special routing each day to take off and level off at 5000 feet and fly up over the peninsula and foothills, near SFO, and then pass over about Pacifica and then head out overwater.

All Pacific traffic uses this route. From SJC it's vectors to OSI then direct to the first oceanic fix. Maintain 3000' initially, then 5000' until past the SFO arrivals corridor.

As mentioned, I had seen the AA 777 doing the loop on at least one occasion. My folks live under the loop near Tully and 101. The AA flight went up the peninsula to about Pacifica at 5000 feet. The time I did the AA 757 SJC-OGG, we turned left almost immediately and passed over about Saratoga and over the Santa Cruz Mountains, also at what appeared to be about 5000 feet.

Where is OSI?
 
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RE: ANA SJC-NRT Starts Jan 11 2013

Wed Aug 22, 2012 4:42 pm

Quoting BoeingGuy (Reply 19):
Where is OSI?

Woodside VOR is SW of Palo Alto/Redwood City
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RE: ANA SJC-NRT Starts Jan 11 2013

Wed Aug 22, 2012 4:52 pm

Quoting doug_Or (Reply 20):
Quoting BoeingGuy (Reply 19):
Where is OSI?

Woodside VOR is SW of Palo Alto/Redwood City

Thanks. I know where Woodside is. I was born in Redwood City and grew up in Millbrae and San Jose.

So do all transpac flights out of SJC go direct to OSI first - including the AS and HA flights to Hawaii, and the soon to be NH flight to NRT?

When I flew the AA flight to OGG, it seems like we turned west immediately and passed over more like Los Gatos or Saratoga. As mentioned the AA 777 more or less followed 101 and then 280 up the peninsula, passing just west of SFO.
 
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RE: ANA SJC-NRT Starts Jan 11 2013

Wed Aug 22, 2012 8:40 pm

Departing SJC for Hawaii or other Trans PAC routes it is vectoring initially until past the SFO arrivals and also SFO departures for So Cal following the shoreline. Normally the vector is toward OSI VOR which is on the ridge near Sky Londa off Skyline Rd. Your vector very well might have taken you closer toward Saratoga that day but the usual more direct route is about over 280 @ Sand Hill Rd.

Then to BEBOP intersection if headed to Hawaii.
 
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RE: ANA SJC-NRT Starts Jan 11 2013

Wed Aug 22, 2012 8:49 pm

Quoting BoeingGuy (Reply 19):
I thought I heard an AS Captain once state it was 7000 feet

Maybe you heard 11000 ft, which is what the required altitude over the VOR once was.
 
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RE: ANA SJC-NRT Starts Jan 11 2013

Thu Aug 23, 2012 2:39 am

Quoting BoeingGuy (Reply 21):
So do all transpac flights out of SJC go direct to OSI first - including the AS and HA flights to Hawaii, and the soon to be NH flight to NRT?

I know not everyone lives locally or frequently spots at the airport, but when spotting at SJC, you know a flight is going transpac (Hawaii nowadays) when they don't do the loop shortly after departure.

Couple examples (look at the "Route" and zoom in on the map to SJC):

http://flightaware.com/live/flight/A...3/history/20120821/1440Z/KSJC/PHKO

http://flightaware.com/live/flight/H...3/history/20120822/1705Z/KSJC/PHNL

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RE: ANA SJC-NRT Starts Jan 11 2013

Thu Aug 23, 2012 3:36 am

Quoting BoeingGuy (Reply 16):
Yeah, no problem. the 777-300ER is actually a fairly hot performing airplane. It definitely isn't the A340-200. With those 115,000 pound thrust engines, it would have absolutely no problem flying from SJC-NRT with a full payload if NH so desired.

If the South Bay, southern East Bay, southern Peninsula and Monterey/Salinas fully supports SJC-NRT service, I think SJC could see either the 777-200ER or 777-300ER flights. This could happen more so during the summer months.

I'm actually hoping the 777-300ER comes back to SEA for the summer.
 
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RE: ANA SJC-NRT Starts Jan 11 2013

Thu Aug 23, 2012 7:02 am

Quoting IrishAyes (Reply 14):
LOL going to be the ICAO police here

And of course, you meant IATA...
 
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RE: ANA SJC-NRT Starts Jan 11 2013

Thu Aug 23, 2012 1:32 pm

Quoting MakeMinesLAX (Reply 26):
And of course, you meant IATA...

Hahah yes, I did make that mistake. ICAO would be KSJC. Thanks!!!!!
 
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RE: ANA SJC-NRT Starts Jan 11 2013

Fri Aug 24, 2012 7:18 pm

Will they improve the customs and immigration areas at SJC? IIRC it's only at gates 15/16. What would they do if two more carriers decide to open SJC? Will they ever do one in Terminal B if they stretch it from 28-40 gates?

If LH were to start SJC, which is likely a long shot, would they run into issues getting an A340 out of the loop? I'm not trying to start a "the 340 climbs like mollasses" thread, just curious if it would be able to clear the SFO inbound traffic without too much hassle.
 
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RE: ANA SJC-NRT Starts Jan 11 2013

Fri Aug 24, 2012 7:28 pm

Quoting LH707330 (Reply 28):
If LH were to start SJC, which is likely a long shot, would they run into issues getting an A340 out of the loop? I'm not trying to start a "the 340 climbs like mollasses" thread, just curious if it would be able to clear the SFO inbound traffic without too much hassle.

If LH "were" to open up SJC - the way the timing would be they would probably would not overlap (NRT departs at 1145) and any European would arrive in the early afternoon and depart later in the afternoon/early evening.

Likey departure route would give it the lopue departure where they make a right turn after departure to gain altitute and then another right back over the airport to clear the airspace. FedEx heavies do this every night as well. I've seen the rare 747's do this as well on departure, so shouldn't be a problem.
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