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airsmiles
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Continental B767-224ER's

Mon Aug 27, 2012 8:54 am

I was surprised to see a 'United' B767-200ER pass over southern England the other day and did a bit of research into the aircraft involved (N68160). It looks like Continental took delivery of a batch of 10 in 2000/2001, which is a good 5 years after any other airline ordered the -200 model. In fact Continental were also taking delivery of their own -400 model at about the same time.

There must have been a particular reason why Continental bought these -200's when everyone else was buying something else, but could someone explain this?

The -200 is a lovely aircraft IMHO but I wonder how competitive these are now and how long they will last in service?

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RE: Continental B767-224ER's

Mon Aug 27, 2012 9:14 am

Quoting airsmiles (Thread starter):
The -200 is a lovely aircraft IMHO but I wonder how competitive these are now and how long they will last in service?

United is retiring that particular fleet...they have 5 of them in service right now. I believe a couple more are leaving by the end of the year and the rest should be gone by the end of 2013. The type simply has too high of a CASM compared with the 763/764/788 to be kept in service.
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RE: Continental B767-224ER's

Mon Aug 27, 2012 2:57 pm

CO tiered their widebody aircraft in 50-seat increments: 762 - 175 seats, 764 - 225 seats, and 772 - 275 seats. It made sense when fuel costs were cheaper and the 175-seat 752 was considered a domestic plane, In addition, they supposedly got a very good price on the 762's.
 
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RE: Continental B767-224ER's

Mon Aug 27, 2012 3:39 pm

Quoting MasseyBrown (Reply 2):
CO tiered their widebody aircraft in 50-seat increments: 762 - 175 seats, 764 - 225 seats, and 772 - 275 seats. It made sense when fuel costs were cheaper and the 175-seat 752 was considered a domestic plane, In addition, they supposedly got a very good price on the 762's.

They also wrote off a lot of the value of the 762 fleet very early on based on their expected low resale. If you go back to the SEC filings circa 2002, CO actually predicted a limited resale market and an early disposition of the type if fuel costs rose dramatically. I suppose it makes it easier to unload the airplanes, but it doesn't make the decision to purchase new-build -200ERs in favor of more popular -300ERs any less curious.
 
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RE: Continental B767-224ER's

Mon Aug 27, 2012 3:50 pm

which currently routes still use the 762 ? Are those all becoming 763/788 soon ?
 
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RE: Continental B767-224ER's

Mon Aug 27, 2012 3:52 pm

Quoting mogandoCI (Reply 4):

Something like:
EWR-TXL (winter 2011-2012)
EWR-MXP (Summer 2012)
EWR-IAH (year round)
IAH-EZE (transitioning to a UA 763)

Honestly, a rare breed. Catch one in the next few months before they are gone.
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RE: Continental B767-224ER's

Mon Aug 27, 2012 4:51 pm

Quoting tommy767 (Reply 5):
Something like:
EWR-TXL (winter 2011-2012)
EWR-MXP (Summer 2012)
EWR-IAH (year round)
IAH-EZE (transitioning to a UA 763)

Currently, I see them as operating:
EWR-IAH
EWR-MXP
IAH-GRU
IAH-EZE
and that looks to be it
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RE: Continental B767-224ER's

Mon Aug 27, 2012 5:19 pm

I got my probable last 762 ride in last month on EWR-IAH.
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RE: Continental B767-224ER's

Mon Aug 27, 2012 6:38 pm

Had an equipment change on my IAH-HNL flight in July to the 200 from the 400. At first I was dissapointed but what a treat to fly on it to HNL!
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RE: Continental B767-224ER's

Mon Aug 27, 2012 6:41 pm

Quoting jtamu97 (Reply 8):
Had an equipment change on my IAH-HNL flight in July to the 200 from the 400. At first I was dissapointed but what a treat to fly on it to HNL!

You were on a -400 all along, as the '767' identifier refers to the 767-400ER High Density configuration. This is a positive change, though, because you might just wind up on a reconfigured.
 
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RE: Continental B767-224ER's

Mon Aug 27, 2012 7:10 pm

CO actually ordered the more popular 767-300ER originally, an Boeing even built one or two that ended up going to Delta
. But in the 90's CO was relatively small compared with other Legacies, and recovering from bankruptcies in the past. They got interested in the 764 and decided the 764 and 763 were too similar in size. Not a big factor, but the longer range wasnice for potential future routes at the time, like EWR-EZE.

They have said publicly on several occassions that the 200's were a mistake. But at least it's npt their biggest subfleet.
 
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RE: Continental B767-224ER's

Mon Aug 27, 2012 7:50 pm

Quoting cosyr (Reply 10):
CO actually ordered the more popular 767-300ER originally, an Boeing even built one or two that ended up going to Delta

Boeing built 5 767-324ERs for CO which were cancelled before delivery. Only one is now with DL. One is with North American Airlines and the other 3 with Thomson Airways in the U.K. They all had at least one previous operator. The -324ER now with DL (photo below) spent about 3 years with Asiana.


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RE: Continental B767-224ER's

Mon Aug 27, 2012 7:53 pm

Thanks for the information on these lovely aircraft. In terms of Europe, they seem to operate fairly regularly into Munich, Milan and Rome. I see one appeared at London Heathrow on UAL114 a few weeks back though.
 
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RE: Continental B767-224ER's

Mon Aug 27, 2012 8:25 pm

Quoting CODC10 (Reply 9):
You were on a -400 all along, as the '767' identifier refers to the 767-400ER High Density configuration. This is a positive change, though, because you might just wind up on a reconfigured.

Should have clarified, this was this past July and it was a 200. There were a couple of 400's down and others redispatched due to weather along the east coast. Not fun for agents that day since a lot of seats were lost. Great flight though.
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RE: Continental B767-224ER's

Mon Aug 27, 2012 8:46 pm

Quoting tommy767 (Reply 5):
Honestly, a rare breed. Catch one in the next few months before they are gone.


I got to enjoy Ship 160 on an IAH-EWR flight the other day, a true Rocket Ship the 200 is.....I've probably got 2-3 more in the sCO flight system before they're gone. That will be a sad day for me similar to the day the last B722 departed IAH.
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RE: Continental B767-224ER's

Mon Aug 27, 2012 9:02 pm

Quoting IAHFLYR (Reply 14):

I got to enjoy Ship 160 on an IAH-EWR flight the other day, a true Rocket Ship the 200 is.....I've probably got 2-3 more in the sCO flight system before they're gone. That will be a sad day for me similar to the day the last B722 departed IAH.

Wonder if my EWR-LAX on 9/1 will get subbed from a 764 to a 762?
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RE: Continental B767-224ER's

Mon Aug 27, 2012 9:15 pm

Quoting tommy767 (Reply 15):
Wonder if my EWR-LAX on 9/1 will get subbed from a 764 to a 762?


You can only hope that is a sub for my 9/1 EWR--IAH flight, oh wait, mine alreadyis a B764, sorry Tommy!  
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RE: Continental B767-224ER's

Tue Aug 28, 2012 2:37 am

Well I was all excited because I knew this one and it seems to have been answered pretty clearly.

I took them down to GIG a lot. I was always a big fan of them, especially stuck in the economy mini-cabin they have. I always looked at them as kind of a cozy old plane to be flying on!
 
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RE: Continental B767-224ER's

Tue Aug 28, 2012 2:48 am

Quoting cosyr (Reply 10):
CO actually ordered the more popular 767-300ER originally, an Boeing even built one or two that ended up going to Delta

One of these 324ERs was delivered new to Ansett Australia as VH-BZF from GECAS who was the lessor. It was fitted out with a CO interior even though it never flew with CO. This plane now flies with North American as N767-NA.
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RE: Continental B767-224ER's

Tue Aug 28, 2012 4:46 am

Catch em while you can on AA as well between LAX/SFO - JFK. About 18 daily flights to choose from daily! Until they are replaced with the A321!  
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RE: Continental B767-224ER's

Tue Aug 28, 2012 5:02 am

I wonder if they'll keep them to fly IAH-PER.

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RE: Continental B767-224ER's

Tue Aug 28, 2012 11:55 am

Quoting gigneil (Reply 20):
I wonder if they'll keep them to fly IAH-PER.

Not without aerial re-fueling along the way...
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RE: Continental B767-224ER's

Tue Aug 28, 2012 12:50 pm

Quoting gigneil (Reply 20):
I wonder if they'll keep them to fly IAH-PER.

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RE: Continental B767-224ER's

Tue Aug 28, 2012 1:40 pm

Quoting IAHFLYR (Reply 16):

I'm actually very excited because I've never flown on a 764, and this is the first time EWR-LAX has seen a widebody in over 5 years with UA/CO
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RE: Continental B767-224ER's

Tue Aug 28, 2012 4:47 pm

Quoting airsmiles (Thread starter):
The -200 is a lovely aircraft IMHO but I wonder how competitive these are now and how long they will last in service?

The fleet will be taken over by UTair of Russia- the first B762 N76156 is already in service as VP-BAG


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Quoting GCT64 (Reply 6):
Currently, I see them as operating:
EWR-IAH
EWR-MXP
IAH-GRU
IAH-EZE
and that looks to be it

Nope, if you wanna fly this CO B762, you can do this also on:

Moscow Vnukovo – Surgut
and from SEP10th Moscow Vnukovo – Vladivostok

read more: http://airlineroute.net/2012/07/16/ut-767-s12/

[Edited 2012-08-28 09:52:47]
 
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RE: Continental B767-224ER's

Tue Aug 28, 2012 5:09 pm

Got to fly the 767 8 years ago USA to LON in BusinessFirst and had that single centre seat. Wow   
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