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Eastern's ATL-LAX And STL-PDX/SEA

Tue Aug 28, 2012 10:25 pm

Eastern was awarded ATL-LAX in 1969 with three flights.I was wondering what aircraft was used when Eastern started the route?
Did they operate a DC-8 or any of their DC-8-61 or 63s? I think I heard when Eastern took delivery of their stretch 8s they were hoping to be awarded routes to the west coast which they got LAX from ATL and also got awarded SEA and PDX via STL and OMA. Eastern never got ATL-SFO in pre-deregulation,that went to National instead which didn't do too good. I think mostly 727s flew the STL-OMA-PDX-SEA.
 
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RE: Eastern's ATL-LAX And STL-PDX/SEA

Wed Aug 29, 2012 5:09 am

As I recall the ATL-LAX was flown with B727-100s. So were the STL-PDX=SEA trips.
 
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RE: Eastern's ATL-LAX And STL-PDX/SEA

Wed Aug 29, 2012 10:20 am

Quoting doulasc (Thread starter):
STL-OMA-PDX-SEA
Quoting kellmark (Reply 1):
STL-PDX=SEA trips

STL-SEA-PDX was a 100 as I used to fly often between PDX & SEA as a kid, and I still have a safety card from the 727-100 series on EA, EA also had a ATL-MCI-SEA-PDX flight later on in the years. PDX & SEA started in the early 80's IIRC.
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RE: Eastern's ATL-LAX And STL-PDX/SEA

Wed Aug 29, 2012 1:00 pm

Quoting RWA380 (Reply 2):
Quoting doulasc (Thread starter):
STL-OMA-PDX-SEA
Quoting kellmark (Reply 1):
STL-PDX=SEA trips

STL-SEA-PDX was a 100 as I used to fly often between PDX & SEA as a kid, and I still have a safety card from the 727-100 series on EA, EA also had a ATL-MCI-SEA-PDX flight later on in the years. PDX & SEA started in the early 80's IIRC.

STL-SEA / PDX started in June, 1967. EA began service to SEA on the same day as Braniff and Continental, as part of the Pacific Northwest - Southwest route case.

SEA and PDX were EA's 2nd and 3rd airports on the Pacific coast; ACA started in 1965/66 as an extension of EA's MEX authority.

OMA-SEA / PDX was added a couple of years after STL-SEA-PDX.

In 1978/79, EA did use the L-1011 on one STL-SEA-PDX flight. The Fall, 1979 issue of Airline Quarterly has an article about a trip on this flight using EA's "Unlimited Mileage" fare.

EA also used the L-1011 on ATL-LAX before deregulation. In 1976, EA switched to all-L 1011 service on the route.

Quoting doulasc (Thread starter):
Eastern never got ATL-SFO in pre-deregulation,that went to National instead which didn't do too good

Awarding NA ATL-SFO was, in my mind, THE dumbest route award by the CAB. NA did not serve ATL, and had a relatively limited presence at SFO. NA initially served the route 2x day with 727-100s and DC-8-50s, but was unable to compete against DL. After the energy crisis, NA was allowed to suspend the route, but eventually was forced to operate a 1x week redeye on Saturday nights, to keep the authority active. NA suspended the route as soon as deregulation took effect.

Ironically, NA and NW came very close to merging in the early 1970s. If the two airlines had merged, the merged airline would have been able to feed the route with NW's ATL-Florida routes.
 
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RE: Eastern's ATL-LAX And STL-PDX/SEA

Wed Aug 29, 2012 3:37 pm

Quoting kellmark (Reply 1):
As I recall the ATL-LAX was flown with B727-100s.


I do remember seeing EA Stretch 8s at LAX in the summer/fall of 1970. In fact, during a field trip to LAX Satellite 3, I vividly remember one parked next to the TWA 707 we toured. I also recall spotting them out at the Flying Tigers hanger off Pershing Drive as well.

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RE: Eastern's ATL-LAX And STL-PDX/SEA

Wed Aug 29, 2012 4:06 pm

For a while, Eastern used A300s on the ATL-LAX route. I flew it on 6/20/81 on N207EA and on 8/12/87 on N223EA.

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RE: Eastern's ATL-LAX And STL-PDX/SEA

Wed Aug 29, 2012 5:24 pm

No EA at LAX in the OAG for 1 Sept 1969; in the 1 October the three EA nonstops are all D8S.
 
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RE: Eastern's ATL-LAX And STL-PDX/SEA

Wed Aug 29, 2012 7:00 pm

Quoting timz (Reply 6):

I just got out my OAG from January 1973 and it shows that all 3 Eastern's flights from ATL-LAX are Boeing 727-100s.I believe 1973 is when Eastern retired their DC-8 fleet.
 
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RE: Eastern's ATL-LAX And STL-PDX/SEA

Wed Aug 29, 2012 7:03 pm

Quoting doulasc (Thread starter):
I think mostly 727s flew the STL-OMA-PDX-SEA.

You are right. My sister flew on their 727's from SEA to MCO with a stopover somewhere, back in 1989. I think they departed from the B Concourse I believe.

Boy, I was really jealous that she got to fly that day! LOL!
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RE: Eastern's ATL-LAX And STL-PDX/SEA

Wed Aug 29, 2012 9:20 pm

Quoting L1011 (Reply 5):

I'm pretty sure it was after de-regulation, but I remember flying EAs A300 from LAX to ATL (and return) way back in March of 1982 to visit my grandparents in Orlando, FL. It was during Spring Break while I was still in high school. The A300 was the first Airbus I ever flew on and it was the first widebody jet I ever flew on. Alas, didn't save any mementos from that trip; wish I had now.
 
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RE: Eastern's ATL-LAX And STL-PDX/SEA

Wed Aug 29, 2012 10:12 pm

Yes, it was 727-100. Eventually it was upgraded to L-1011/A-300. I remember flying ATL-LAX in the early 70's. The service was incredible, with Rosenthal china and crystal glassware. A few years later when I went into Dining Services I was amazed at how they did this service from a center galley, with all the support stuff. Even the coat closet was used. We are talking carved Roast beef, tossed salad from a cart, etc. in First class. Wow, you're lucky now to get a cheese sandwich.I was on a trip DCAATL--LAX-HNL-Papeete-Sydney......all at once. No wonder I was sick when I arrived!
 
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RE: Eastern's ATL-LAX And STL-PDX/SEA

Thu Aug 30, 2012 4:07 am

Toward the end of Eastern's life, didn't they fly these routes with 757's? Especially the SEA and SFO routes?
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RE: Eastern's ATL-LAX And STL-PDX/SEA

Thu Aug 30, 2012 4:45 am

Quoting zippyjet (Reply 11):
Toward the end of Eastern's life, didn't they fly these routes with 757's? Especially the SEA and SFO routes?

They did with a mix of A300's. My father worked for EAL at their PDX station until the end. I remember EAL had a "passbook" for employee's families. It was literally a book with a whole bunch of boarding passes. I would show up at the airport, fill in what flight I wanted and class, either F or C, rip out the pass and hand to the CSA and get on board. Of course I would always check "F" for first and I never recall ever not being able to get it. It would cost my dad a few more bucks out of his paycheck. Anyway back on topic. Eastern I don't think ever flew nonstop to PDX. The routing was always ATL-SEA-PDX. What sucked was when SEA got fogged in. The flight would make it in and be delayed getting out to PDX. My father was senior enough he did not have to work the late night shift but I recall him telling me the guys never got off on time due to that last ATL-SEA-PDX usually always running late into PDX for the RON. I can recall watching many a EAL A300 at a low altitude making the SEA-PDX over my dad's house. Eastern Flt #92 was one the regular flight numbers for that route. The 757 flew the last routing of the day out of ATL with an A300 (or two) being on the routing for the earlier flights.

I recall SFO being an all A300 sked near the end. I think the LAX routing had mainly A300's with maybe one or two L1011's thrown in the mix.
 
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RE: Eastern's ATL-LAX And STL-PDX/SEA

Thu Aug 30, 2012 11:11 am

Quoting WA707atMSP (Reply 3):

STL-SEA / PDX started in June, 1967. EA began service to SEA on the same day as Braniff and Continental, as part of the Pacific Northwest - Southwest route case.

SEA and PDX were EA's 2nd and 3rd airports on the Pacific coast; ACA started in 1965/66 as an extension of EA's MEX authority.

OMA-SEA / PDX was added a couple of years after STL-SEA-PDX.

In 1978/79, EA did use the L-1011 on one STL-SEA-PDX flight. The Fall, 1979 issue of Airline Quarterly has an article about a trip on this flight using EA's "Unlimited Mileage" fare.

EA also used the L-1011 on ATL-LAX before deregulation. In 1976, EA switched to all-L 1011 service on the route

OK, then I am thinking DL that came to SEA then PDX late 70's early 80's, then EA was at PDX/SEA for a long time? I do remember, because all my Eastern experiences were fling between PDX & SEA. I've done that route so many times as a teenager and on until it became just QX and UAX, and fares went from $25-35 o/w to $150 o/w. But back in the day I flew EA 727, 72S, AB3, L10 and 757 all on this short tag route, as did 25 other carriers at one time or another back in the day.
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RE: Eastern's ATL-LAX And STL-PDX/SEA

Thu Aug 30, 2012 12:21 pm

Quoting RWA380 (Reply 13):
then I am thinking DL that came to SEA then PDX late 70's early 80's, then EA was at PDX/SEA for a long time?

That's correct. I think DL began ATL / DFW - SEA in 1980, with PDX initially served as a tag from SEA, before PDX got their own nonstops to DFW and ATL.

AA also added SEA in 1980, with PDX following in 1981.
 
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RE: Eastern's ATL-LAX And STL-PDX/SEA

Mon Sep 03, 2012 3:17 am

What concourse did EA use at SEA?
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RE: Eastern's ATL-LAX And STL-PDX/SEA

Tue Sep 04, 2012 12:30 am

Quoting AirframeAS (Reply 15):
What concourse did EA use at SEA?

They used the "A" gates. Not sure exactly which particular one though.
 
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RE: Eastern's ATL-LAX And STL-PDX/SEA

Tue Sep 04, 2012 2:00 pm

EA was at gate 62 at the end of the "L" concourse at PDX. they also flew ns to MCI, AND 1-stop to IAH and ORD very briefly
 
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RE: Eastern's ATL-LAX And STL-PDX/SEA

Tue Sep 04, 2012 2:15 pm

Quoting WA707atMSP (Reply 3):
In 1978/79, EA did use the L-1011 on one STL-SEA-PDX flight. The Fall, 1979 issue of Airline Quarterly has an article about a trip on this flight using EA's "Unlimited Mileage" fare.

I could have swore this flight started on the L10 in the 76-77 time frame, on a ATL-STL-SEA-PDX and return routing, as it would park on the north side of the A Concourse in STL. I thought it started right after A was renovated during this time frame, which added the second level with jetways..
 
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RE: Eastern's ATL-LAX And STL-PDX/SEA

Tue Sep 04, 2012 3:37 pm

Quoting BHMNONREV (Reply 18):
Quoting WA707atMSP (Reply 3):
In 1978/79, EA did use the L-1011 on one STL-SEA-PDX flight. The Fall, 1979 issue of Airline Quarterly has an article about a trip on this flight using EA's "Unlimited Mileage" fare.

I could have swore this flight started on the L10 in the 76-77 time frame, on a ATL-STL-SEA-PDX and return routing, as it would park on the north side of the A Concourse in STL. I thought it started right after A was renovated during this time frame, which added the second level with jetways..

You are probably right!

I know for sure the L10 was used in 1978 / 79, but I don't know the exact date when the L10 was 1st used on the route.
 
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RE: Eastern's ATL-LAX And STL-PDX/SEA

Tue Sep 04, 2012 7:17 pm

Quoting B777ER (Reply 16):
They used the "A" gates. Not sure exactly which particular one though.

Not from March 1984 through at least very early 1986. I recall flying on EA from the C concourse at SEA during this period. I also recall ogling over the "757" vert stab from the restaurant between B and C (this was in December 1985, way before today's *far* better food court in the same location). Impossible to see A from there. Perhaps your recollection is of a different era?

Separately, back to the SEA-MCI route. Did EA use the 727-100 on this in '84, to any of your recollections?

EDIT: got two of the years wrong.

[Edited 2012-09-04 12:27:13]
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Tue Sep 04, 2012 8:29 pm

Quoting Western727 (Reply 20):
Separately, back to the SEA-MCI route. Did EA use the 727-100 on this in '84, to any of your recollections?

In the February 15, 1985 OAG, EA's one daily SEA-MCI flight was a 727-100. Can't find any 1984 schedules.
 
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RE: Eastern's ATL-LAX And STL-PDX/SEA

Tue Sep 04, 2012 11:30 pm

Quoting Western727 (Reply 20):
Not from March 1984 through at least very early 1986. I recall flying on EA from the C concourse at SEA during this period. I also recall ogling over the "757" vert stab from the restaurant between B and C (this was in December 1985, way before today's *far* better food court in the same location). Impossible to see A from there. Perhaps your recollection is of a different era?

You may be right. My only remaining memory of EA and SEA was sitting in the jumpseat of an A300 while parked at the gate at SEA. It was raining, fog was moving in and I remember flight deck crew worried about getting delayed or canceled getting out for the PDX leg. It was late at night and I recall the crew wanting to get out of SEA as quick as possible. It very well could have been C. It was in the mid-80's. Funny how one's brain remembers and recalls very specific events from years and years ago.

Quoting KWBL (Reply 17):
EA was at gate 62 at the end of the "L" concourse at PDX. they also flew ns to MCI, AND 1-stop to IAH and ORD very briefly

Not sure if "L" concourse is now the current day "C" concourse but it is where C21/C23 are located today is where EA parked. I recall many a time by father griping about having to walk all the way down there to close out the flight.

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RE: Eastern's ATL-LAX And STL-PDX/SEA

Wed Sep 05, 2012 1:20 am

Quoting doulasc (Reply 7):
I just got out my OAG from January 1973 and it shows that all 3 Eastern's flights from ATL-LAX are Boeing 727-100s.I believe 1973 is when Eastern retired their DC-8 fleet.

Eastern was still operating some DC-8-61's in mid 1973. I flew on one into DAB from ATL.
 
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RE: Eastern's ATL-LAX And STL-PDX/SEA

Wed Sep 05, 2012 3:53 am

The old L concourse at PDX is the current C concourse although it looks nothing like it did in the 70's and 80's.
 
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RE: Eastern's ATL-LAX And STL-PDX/SEA

Wed Sep 05, 2012 10:39 am

Quoting KWBL (Reply 17):
EA was at gate 62 at the end of the "L" concourse at PDX. they also flew ns to MCI, AND 1-stop to IAH and ORD very briefly

If you are referring to the IAH service, that was the moonlight special. Then the flight was actually routed SEA-PDX-IAH-PDX-SEA on the A300, PDX did have an MCI non-stop at one point, STL was always a tag via SEA.

Quoting KWBL (Reply 24):
The old L concourse at PDX is the current C concourse although it looks nothing like it did in the 70's and 80's

Yes the current C is not one thing like the old concourse. In those old days, NW has the first two gates, then you went u an incline, the next gate on the right was AS Fluggeselischaft mbH">RW (later became AA) NW was across from there, then the next gates were AS on the left and AS Fluggeselischaft mbH">RW (later RC) and OC. Then at the end was EA, with BN next to them and can't remember the last one or two out at the end of that terminal. What is currently D concourse, had mostly UA with WA and IIRC DL.
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RE: Eastern's ATL-LAX And STL-PDX/SEA

Wed Sep 05, 2012 11:25 am

Quoting RWA380 (Reply 25):
STL was always a tag via SEA.

Departed Flights' copy of EA's Sep 6, 1972 timetable shows 1x day STL-PDX nonstop (which continued to SEA), in addition to 1x day STL-SEA-PDX and 2x day STL-OMA-SEA-PDX.

Eastbound, the pattern was 1x day PDX-STL, 1x day PDX-SEA-OMA-STL, and 1x day PDX-OMA-STL.
 
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Wed Sep 05, 2012 2:16 pm

Continental was at gates 59 & 61. American was at 48 on the "K" concourse (now D), next to Western. The L concourse also, at various times had Delta (pre Western merger), America West, Wien, PSA, Pacific Express, Jet America, TWA. back on topic, I think EA also briefly had PDX -SFO-MIA, and yes, the IAH Was the midnight special
 
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RE: Eastern's ATL-LAX And STL-PDX/SEA

Wed Sep 05, 2012 6:27 pm

Quoting B777ER (Reply 22):
You may be right. My only remaining memory of EA and SEA was sitting in the jumpseat of an A300 while parked at the gate at SEA. It was raining, fog was moving in and I remember flight deck crew worried about getting delayed or canceled getting out for the PDX leg. It was late at night and I recall the crew wanting to get out of SEA as quick as possible. It very well could have been C. It was in the mid-80's. Funny how one's brain remembers and recalls very specific events from years and years ago.

Memory is definitely a wonderful thing...just wish it was better at times like this!   Thanks for sharing the A300 story. I too wonder if EA operated out of A from SEA as you mentioned...before 1984 or perhaps after 1986 until their demise. Does anyone know for sure?
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Thu Sep 06, 2012 1:30 pm

Quoting BHMNONREV (Reply 18):
I could have swore this flight started on the L10 in the 76-77 time frame, on a ATL-STL-SEA-PDX and return routing, as it would park on the north side of the A Concourse in STL. I thought it started right after A was renovated during this time frame, which added the second level with jetways..

I worked for Eastern in the late '60's as an agent at ATL. We had one DC8-21 trip that operated MIA-ATL-STL-SEA-STL-ATL-MIA on the route. VERY senior crew (often all male cabin crew who had been flying for 30+ years - Eastern was the last U.S. carrier to add female flight attendants, and I rarely recall any female cabin staff on this flight.
 
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RE: Eastern's ATL-LAX And STL-PDX/SEA

Thu Sep 06, 2012 3:40 pm

Portland International Airport in 1986 or 1987:

http://www.departedflights.com/PDX87.html

And since we are also talking about Seattle... here is Seattle/Tacoma from 1975:

http://www.departedflights.com/SEA75.html
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RE: Eastern's ATL-LAX And STL-PDX/SEA

Thu Sep 06, 2012 3:46 pm

Quoting skycub (Reply 30):
And since we are also talking about Seattle... here is Seattle/Tacoma from 1975:

http://www.departedflights.com/SEA75.html

That's really interesting, thanks. AS only needed three gates for their few SEA-ANC and SEA-JNU flights a day. How times have changed. Looks like the general layout hasn't changed though.
 
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RE: Eastern's ATL-LAX And STL-PDX/SEA

Fri Sep 07, 2012 12:40 pm

Quoting B777ER (Reply 16):
They used the "A" gates. Not sure exactly which particular one though.
Quoting Western727 (Reply 28):
I too wonder if EA operated out of A from SEA as you mentioned...before 1984 or perhaps after 1986 until their demise. Does anyone know for sure?

I'm pretty sure they operated out of Concourse B. I have an EA ticket for a SEA-ATL flight my dad flew on in the 1980s somewhere and I'm pretty sure the departure gate was B___. There are also quite a few older photos from SEA in the a.net database where you can see EA planes parked at the B gates.


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There are some better examples I can recall seeing in the database (EA planes at B in the background of a photo from A, for example), but they don't come up under a search for EA planes at SEA since they aren't the subject of the photo.

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This photo would suggest that EA used the C gates at some point...the plot thickens!


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RE: Eastern's ATL-LAX And STL-PDX/SEA

Sat Sep 08, 2012 11:34 am

Quoting Gunsontheroof (Reply 32):
There are some better examples I can recall seeing in the database

Thanks for sharing the picture of the JT SWM in the foreground and the EA A300 in the background, That is one of the years I made flying back and forth to SEA from PDX as regular as possible, and always trying to get different planes and airlines. 31 carriers to be exact, and as many different aircraft from the SWM to a 747. Great blast from the past.  
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