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The Delta Mainline Saga Continues..

Wed Aug 29, 2012 2:01 am

First off, i'd like to thank our friend PSU.DTW.SCE who first started all of this back in July however the original thread is now locked.

In approximately 8 days, Delta will commence daily mainline service to AVL, CHA, ILM, ROA, and TRI. Schedules are as follows

ATL-AVL DL 1338 2031 - 2130
AVL-ATL DL 1579 0745 - 0850

ATL-CHA DL 1593 1916 - 2005
CHA-ATL DL 1997 0645 - 0735

ATL-ILM DL 958 1939 - 2100
ILM-ATL DL 2261 0600 - 0724

ATL-ROA DL 1967 1910 - 2035
ROA-ATL DL 1349 0715 - 0844

ATL-TRI DL 2038 1955 - 2100
TRI-ATL DL 1350 0730 - 0839

As I understand it, most to all of these stations has not seen scheduled DL mainline service for about 15 years if not more so it's pretty significant; ROA being a gem in all this.

BTR will also get a mainline for the first time in IDK how long. Perhaps longer than 15 years. It will commence on 11/04.

Does anyone see anything else? I known out of LGA, there have already been some upgrades put in the skd to BUF, PWM, RDU, and CLT. Any others out of LGA?
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RE: The Delta Mainline Saga Continues..

Wed Aug 29, 2012 2:08 am

The LGA-CLT route has two main lines when I looked later in the year. One 319 and one 320. It's only one mainline in the opposite direction.
 
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RE: The Delta Mainline Saga Continues..

Wed Aug 29, 2012 3:39 am

Quoting FlyASAGuy2005 (Thread starter):
First off, i'd like to thank our friend PSU.DTW.SCE who first started all of this back in July however the original thread is now locked.

Thanks!

Quoting FlyASAGuy2005 (Thread starter):

Does anyone see anything else? I known out of LGA, there have already been some upgrades put in the skd to BUF, PWM, RDU, and CLT. Any others out of LGA?

LGA-NAS gets upgauged to a 757 in mid-February.
 
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RE: The Delta Mainline Saga Continues..

Wed Aug 29, 2012 3:55 am

Quoting FlyASAGuy2005 (Thread starter):
As I understand it, most to all of these stations has not seen scheduled DL mainline service for about 15 years if not more so it's pretty significant;

As I recall, when I started at ORD, service to Asheville was ORD-SDF-AVL and that was the ONLY service on the system.
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RE: The Delta Mainline Saga Continues..

Wed Aug 29, 2012 4:12 am

Quoting PSU.DTW.SCE (Reply 2):
LGA-NAS gets upgauged to a 757 in mid-February.

LGA seems to be doing very well thus far. Aside from the usual suspects like SRQ, TPA, RSW, FLL, MCO, and MIA it's great to see mainline "injections" to the other cities. I must say, I initially thought that 2x daily to DEN was way too much capacity but thus far, it's done very well. The FFs seem to like the larger front cabin although it's downgraded to x2 320 briefly before the 738s are brought back for the busy ski season. However, I can see DL tweaking this route and maybe dropping one of the frequencies during slower parts of the year or perhaps going to 1x daily 757 during certain periods.

Quoting mayor (Reply 3):
As I recall, when I started at ORD, service to Asheville was ORD-SDF-AVL and that was the ONLY service on the system.

It truly is amazing how everything's come full circle. It'll be interesting to see what the landscape looks like 3-5 years from now when all the 717s are on property and the gutting of the CR2s is almost complete.
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RE: The Delta Mainline Saga Continues..

Wed Aug 29, 2012 4:48 am

I'm particularly excited for ROA! I don't think they've ever had DL mainline service or, if they did, it's been so many eons ago who would remember?

US kept mainline going there until a few years ago. Hopefully US's loss will be DL's gain! And hopefully the larger aircraft and increase in seats will bring down the fares some. Would love to be able to fly directly into smaller cities like this, but the fares I find are often so exhorbitant, it's not worth it.
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Wed Aug 29, 2012 5:39 am

I'm confused on LGA-NAS. Does Nas do customs pre-clearance? because I didn't think LGA had any international arrivals capability.
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Wed Aug 29, 2012 6:12 am

Quoting NorthstarBoy (Reply 6):

I'm confused on LGA-NAS. Does Nas do customs pre-clearance? because I didn't think LGA had any international arrivals capability.

Yes it does, along with FPO.
 
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RE: The Delta Mainline Saga Continues..

Wed Aug 29, 2012 6:18 am

Quoting FlyASAGuy2005 (Thread starter):
Does anyone see anything else? I known out of LGA, there have already been some upgrades put in the skd to BUF, PWM, RDU, and CLT. Any others out of LGA?
Quoting PSU.DTW.SCE (Reply 2):
LGA-NAS gets upgauged to a 757 in mid-February.


Also, LGA also has 2 mainline flights on BUF. In the fall LGA to MCI will get a mainline flight.
 
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Wed Aug 29, 2012 6:30 am

Glad to see several routes are getting the mainline upgrade but also some routes are getting down graded... MEM-PHX is number one on my list, anybody know of any other cities getting more RJs?
 
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RE: The Delta Mainline Saga Continues..

Wed Aug 29, 2012 11:29 am

Quoting mayor (Reply 3):
Quoting FlyASAGuy2005 (Thread starter):
As I understand it, most to all of these stations has not seen scheduled DL mainline service for about 15 years if not more so it's pretty significant;

As I recall, when I started at ORD, service to Asheville was ORD-SDF-AVL and that was the ONLY service on the system.

DL last served AVL, CHA and TRI with mainline in 1995. They, along with a few other stations, all switched to BAe 146s (along with existing service on the EMB-120 and ATR-72) operated by ASA on the same day in December 1995.
 
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Wed Aug 29, 2012 12:32 pm

Quoting PSU.DTW.SCE (Reply 2):
Quoting NorthstarBoy (Reply 6):

I flew NAS-LGA last week and we had to clear customs in NAS.

I'm a little jealous of the 757 being put on the route a week after I flew it!   Those MD88s aren't that great inside.
 
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RE: The Delta Mainline Saga Continues..

Wed Aug 29, 2012 2:34 pm

Quoting spiritair97 (Reply 11):
I'm a little jealous of the 757 being put on the route a week after I flew it! Those MD88s aren't that great inside.

It used to be an L10 back in the day!  
Quoting FlyASAGuy2005 (Thread starter):
In approximately 8 days, Delta will commence daily mainline service to AVL, CHA, ILM, ROA, and TRI. Schedules are as follows

Is there any rationale from a scheduling standpoint of having all these flights RON? Or is that purely a coincidence?
 
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RE: The Delta Mainline Saga Continues..

Wed Aug 29, 2012 2:55 pm

Quoting AVLAirlineFreq (Reply 10):
DL last served AVL, CHA and TRI with mainline in 1995. They, along with a few other stations, all switched to BAe 146s (along with existing service on the EMB-120 and ATR-72) operated by ASA on the same day in December 1995.

What about BTR?

Quoting catiii (Reply 12):

Is there any rationale from a scheduling standpoint of having all these flights RON? Or is that purely a coincidence?

Well, the only one being a turn as of right now is BTR. I can only imagine that these cities are pretty far down the list as far as a network planning standpoint for a mainline flight so they get what's left over...a/c that would otherwise be sitting in ATL overnight.
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Wed Aug 29, 2012 3:03 pm

Quoting FlyASAGuy2005 (Reply 13):

Is there any rationale from a scheduling standpoint of having all these flights RON? Or is that purely a coincidence?

Well, the only one being a turn as of right now is BTR. I can only imagine that these cities are pretty far down the list as far as a network planning standpoint for a mainline flight so they get what's left over...a/c that would otherwise be sitting in ATL overnight.

It's also a way to clean up any stragglers on the route. Late pax, non-revs, etc. Nothing's more frustrating than to sit at an airport all day, only to be rolled over to the next day and face the same thing all over again.

DL's been doing this to their mainline cities, even. Got a bunch of full MD-80's throughout the day? Clean it up with a 757!
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Wed Aug 29, 2012 3:26 pm

Yes...lots of mainline upgrades for ATL lately. For example, DSM-ATL added 1x daily MD-80 last spring, then 2x daily MD-80 but checking March, back to 1x daily. Still, I think this was the first ever DL mainline service to DSM!

Regarding OMA, OMA-ATL was 5x daily CRJ or CR7 for the past 10 years or so. Then came the CR9's and E175's with the NW acquisition. Now checking March, it's 2x daily MD-90 and 1x daily MD-80 along with 2x daily CR9. That's a massive amount of seat increase since 2-3 years ago!! To note, this is at the expense of MEM-OMA which is now down to a single CRJ this march vs 1xA320 and 2x CRJ 2 years ago. I have the feeling this is the case in lots of markets! Basically DL has just moved the upper midwest passenger connections from MEM to ATL.
 
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Wed Aug 29, 2012 3:27 pm

Quoting FlyASAGuy2005 (Reply 4):
LGA seems to be doing very well thus far. Aside from the usual suspects like SRQ, TPA, RSW, FLL, MCO, and MIA it's great to see mainline "injections" to the other cities. I must say, I initially thought that 2x daily to DEN was way too much capacity but thus far, it's done very well. The FFs seem to like the larger front cabin although it's downgraded to x2 320 briefly before the 738s are brought back for the busy ski season. However, I can see DL tweaking this route and maybe dropping one of the frequencies during slower parts of the year or perhaps going to 1x daily 757 during certain periods.


Perhaps they'll do similar schedules i.e., LAX-CMH/IND etc., and operate 2 daily frequencies on the busiest days of the week, and a single rotation on slower days.
 
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Wed Aug 29, 2012 3:30 pm

Quoting FlyASAGuy2005 (Reply 13):
What about BTR?

Delta had mainline service to BTR through March 2006, when it was down to a daily MD-88 at the end. There was no mainline in September 2005 (likely due to Katrina). Was about 3x MD-88 until November 2002, 2x MD-88 until Katrina hit, 3x post-Katrina (when MSY was closed), then dropped down to 1 and then 0.

There was also BTR-BHM on an -88 until May 2001, BTR-DFW on a mix of -88s and 737-300s until December 2001 (was 3x mainline until May 2001), BHM-JAN on an -88 until March 2001 and BHM-MOB 2x/day until May 2001 (on an -88 and a 727).

All told, in April 2001, there were 9 daily Delta mainline flights out of BTR (8 MD-88, 1 727-200) plus a CRJ to ATL. A year later, it was 3 mainline to ATL, plus 2x CRJ to ATL and 4x CRJ to DFW.
 
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Wed Aug 29, 2012 4:29 pm

Quoting laca773 (Reply 16):

That would be fantastic. NW had a great schedule on IND-LAX. DL's is very frustrating when traveling on business.
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Wed Aug 29, 2012 7:29 pm

Quoting spiritair97 (Reply 11):
I flew NAS-LGA last week and we had to clear customs in NAS.

I like the preclearance actually...if you have to get to the airport early..might as well spend your time clearing customs..though to be fair...ATL FIS is a breeze
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Wed Aug 29, 2012 8:22 pm

Quoting yellowtail (Reply 19):
though to be fair...ATL FIS is a breeze

Totally disagree. Try going through there when the South American or African bank of flights come in. It takes forever.
 
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Wed Aug 29, 2012 8:24 pm

Quoting catiii (Reply 20):
Totally disagree. Try going through there when the South American or African bank of flights come in. It takes forever.

   ATL is bar none the worst FIS experience I've ever had (worse than JFK!) I once came in on a simple flight from CUN, connecting to DAB. Customs took so long that not only did I miss the flight I was booked on, but the one after that too!
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Wed Aug 29, 2012 8:27 pm

Quoting yellowtail (Reply 19):
I like the preclearance actually...if you have to get to the airport early..might as well spend your time clearing customs

We got there three hours early and were waiting to check in for 3.5 hours, because DL's website wouldn't let me check in with the others in our party. Then DL's computer system crashed in NAS, so that slowed us down. But, luckily my grandfather who needs assistance was traveling with us so we bypassed the customs and security lines.  

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Thu Aug 30, 2012 1:07 am

Well I noticed one mainline switch thats pretty sweet; Delta will be running a Boeing 757-300 from DTW to MSN on Sept 9th  thats pretty large considering CRJs fly there all the time!

DAL870 DTW-MSN B753 19:30 DEP 19:51 arrival
 
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Thu Aug 30, 2012 1:19 am

Quoting UALFAson (Reply 5):
I don't think they've ever had DL mainline service or, if they did, it's been so many eons ago who would remember?

  

ROA has never had DL mainline. Looks like ROA is getting mainline but frequency is going to 4X daily (from 7X). Also, US served ROA 2X daily to LGA and DL will serve 1X. ROA is also losing (lost) the LBW flight.


US last served ROA mainline in '02 (?). I think that is correct. Seems like, to me, what do I know, but, US should consider ROA - DCA. That was always a popular flight back in the day, probably because of easy connection to LGA and BOS.
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Thu Aug 30, 2012 1:21 am

Quoting Joeljack (Reply 15):
Yes...lots of mainline upgrades for ATL lately. For example, DSM-ATL added 1x daily MD-80 last spring, then 2x daily MD-80 but checking March, back to 1x daily. Still, I think this was the first ever DL mainline service to DSM!

Regarding OMA, OMA-ATL was 5x daily CRJ or CR7 for the past 10 years or so. Then came the CR9's and E175's with the NW acquisition. Now checking March, it's 2x daily MD-90 and 1x daily MD-80 along with 2x daily CR9. That's a massive amount of seat increase since 2-3 years ago!! To note, this is at the expense of MEM-OMA which is now down to a single CRJ this march vs 1xA320 and 2x CRJ 2 years ago. I have the feeling this is the case in lots of markets! Basically DL has just moved the upper midwest passenger connections from MEM to ATL.

Also worth noting is how DSM/OMA/CID all had multiple CRJ frequencies to CVG for years, a lot of which were connecting passengers. CID has never had MEM service (unlike DSM and OMA), but picked up multiple daily ATL CRJ's after CVG was discontinued. The loss of lift out of DSM and OMA to MEM/CVG is also quite significant, putting much more pressure on ATL no doubt and makes it easier to justify mainline out of DSM.
 
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RE: The Delta Mainline Saga Continues..

Thu Aug 30, 2012 1:38 am

Quoting KDTWflyer (Reply 23):
Well I noticed one mainline switch thats pretty sweet; Delta will be running a Boeing 757-300 from DTW to MSN on Sept 9th thats pretty large considering CRJs fly there all the time!

DAL870 DTW-MSN B753 19:30 DEP 19:51 arrival


Don't get too excited. I imagine it's a one-time upgrade.

There's a large software company located in the MSN area that has their annual convention that begins on Sept 10th. I'm assuming Delta is up-gauging their normal Airbus to accommodate convention attendees. I wouldn't be surprised if they're doing the same towards the end of the week to accommodate outbound traffic on the 13th or 14th. Delta has been good about up-gauging their normal equipment for major events (i.e. when the Badgers go to a bowl game).

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Thu Aug 30, 2012 4:08 am

Quoting DeltAirlines (Reply 17):
Delta had mainline service to BTR through March 2006

I hadn't realized they had mainline service that recently. I was thinking it was long before that. I will say that I remember 762 service to MSY. I remember my very last flight on a 762 before they retired them they were down to like 5 or 6 was a BOS-ATL leg on a VERY stormy night. To this day, and I fly A LOT and am not faint at heart, it's my worst experience flying. We held north of Atlanta for what seemed like ages going in circles in T-Storm cells. I would easily label it moderate to severe turbulence. Anyway we almost diverted but made it down. I saw the outbound leg was to MSY. They pulled the last patch of 762s just weeks later leaving ship 102..

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Have there been any upgauges as of late out of MSP?
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Thu Aug 30, 2012 10:52 am

Quoting KDTWflyer (Reply 23):
Well I noticed one mainline switch thats pretty sweet; Delta will be running a Boeing 757-300 from DTW to MSN on Sept 9th thats pretty large considering CRJs fly there all the time!

DAL870 DTW-MSN B753 19:30 DEP 19:51 arrival

2, actually. One -200, and one -300..

Quoting aa777lvr (Reply 26):
... it's a one-time upgrade.

There's a large software company located in the MSN area that has their annual convention that begins on Sept 10th. I'm assuming Delta is up-gauging their normal Airbus to accommodate convention attendees. I wouldn't be surprised if they're doing the same towards the end of the week to accommodate outbound traffic on the 13th or 14th.

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Thu Aug 30, 2012 6:20 pm

Quoting floridaflyboy (Reply 18):
That would be fantastic. NW had a great schedule on IND-LAX. DL's is very frustrating when traveling on business.

I completely agree and I live in Cincinnati. My business takes me weekly to SFO. There's only a morning 9am departure to SFO and no return except for a red eye.

Same goes with Denver!

Very frustrating.
 
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Fri Aug 31, 2012 12:47 am

Quoting NWAESC (Reply 28):

Quoting KDTWflyer (Reply 23):
Well I noticed one mainline switch thats pretty sweet; Delta will be running a Boeing 757-300 from DTW to MSN on Sept 9th thats pretty large considering CRJs fly there all the time!

DAL870 DTW-MSN B753 19:30 DEP 19:51 arrival

2, actually. One -200, and one -300..

Quoting aa777lvr (Reply 26):
... it's a one-time upgrade.

There's a large software company located in the MSN area that has their annual convention that begins on Sept 10th. I'm assuming Delta is up-gauging their normal Airbus to accommodate convention attendees. I wouldn't be surprised if they're doing the same towards the end of the week to accommodate outbound traffic on the 13th or 14th.

^This^

M/L turns all day on the 13th...

Its going to be EPIC!!!

     

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Fri Aug 31, 2012 3:04 pm

I woud like to see PHF receive more mainline service--at present there is one MD88 per day. With Air Tran pulling out it has left a huge market open. More than 500,000 people flew Air Tran out of PHF last year and the local papers are saying that RIC and ORF have not seen increases in traffic as a result of the pullout. Those pax simply stopped flying. Now air fares out of here are through the roof. I see this as a fantastic opportunity for DL to serve the hubs at LGA, JFK and DTW.
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Fri Aug 31, 2012 3:08 pm

Quoting DTWPurserBoy (Reply 31):
Now air fares out of here are through the roof. I see this as a fantastic opportunity for DL to serve the hubs at LGA, JFK and DTW.

Just because air fares are through the roof doesn't mean that DL starting service to LGA, JFK, or DTW will bring them down. If, and it is an if, PEX ever gets off the ground that's when you'll see fares come down.
 
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Fri Aug 31, 2012 4:21 pm

Quoting UnitedTristar (Reply 30):
Its going to be EPIC!!!

Ha!

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Fri Aug 31, 2012 4:29 pm

Quoting DTWPurserBoy (Reply 31):
I see this as a fantastic opportunity for DL to serve the hubs at LGA, JFK and DTW.

As for leakage to RIC.. There's really no easy way to get out of the 7 cities. It's about a 55-65 minute drive on a rural state road just to get out to Emporia and then onto I-95. Folks aren't going to drive way out there just to save $100. Better off flying out of ORF.
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Fri Aug 31, 2012 7:50 pm

Quoting FlyASAGuy2005 (Reply 34):
As for leakage to RIC.. There's really no easy way to get out of the 7 cities. It's about a 55-65 minute drive on a rural state road just to get out to Emporia and then onto I-95. Folks aren't going to drive way out there just to save $100. Better off flying out of ORF.

RIC is about an hour up I-64 from PHF, a bit farther from ORF. But you're right, even on I-64 getting out of here is difficult.
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Sat Sep 01, 2012 1:48 am

Quoting spiritair97 (Reply 11):
I'm a little jealous of the 757 being put on the route a week after I flew it! Those MD88s aren't that great inside.

Because you'd obviously appreciate a much higher chance of a middle seat?
 
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Sat Sep 01, 2012 3:45 am

Quoting PGNCS (Reply 36):
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Quoting spiritair97 (Reply 11):
I'm a little jealous of the 757 being put on the route a week after I flew it! Those MD88s aren't that great inside.

Because you'd obviously appreciate a much higher chance of a middle seat

Well played, PGNCS.  
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Sat Sep 01, 2012 3:46 am

Quoting PGNCS (Reply 36):

Well whenever I go to NAS there's three of us traveling together and they always let me have the window so that isn't a worry of mine.  
 
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Sat Sep 01, 2012 3:50 am

Quoting DTWPurserBoy (Reply 31):

I woud like to see PHF receive more mainline service--at present there is one MD88 per day. With Air Tran pulling out it has left a huge market open. More than 500,000 people flew Air Tran out of PHF last year and the local papers are saying that RIC and ORF have not seen increases in traffic as a result of the pullout. Those pax simply stopped flying. Now air fares out of here are through the roof. I see this as a fantastic opportunity for DL to serve the hubs at LGA, JFK and DTW.

Delta isnt going to lower fares just to fly a bigger plane there.
 
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Sat Sep 01, 2012 3:30 pm

Quoting catiii (Reply 20):
Totally disagree. Try going through there when the South American or African bank of flights come in. It takes forever.
Quoting floridaflyboy (Reply 21):
ATL is bar none the worst FIS experience I've ever had (worse than JFK!) I once came in on a simple flight from CUN, connecting to DAB. Customs took so long that not only did I miss the flight I was booked on, but the one after that too!

Have either of you flown into ATL since Concourse F opened now doubling the size of available customs?
 
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Sat Sep 01, 2012 3:42 pm

Quoting burnsie28 (Reply 40):

Have either of you flown into ATL since Concourse F opened now doubling the size of available customs?

That does not mean that they doubled the number of CBP agents. I've gone through several times since F opened. Most lines seemed manageable, except for the South American and African bank last week. I've got Global Entry, so I couldn't tell you how long it would've taken, but I would guess 30-60 minutes for U.S. citizens (this was on the F concourse).
 
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Sun Sep 02, 2012 9:42 pm

Quoting catiii (Reply 12):
Is there any rationale from a scheduling standpoint of having all these flights RON? Or is that purely a coincidence?

This is one of DL's big hub-and-spoke points of emphasis. The last (or close to it) flight out of the day from ATL to airport XYZ is usually one of the bigger ones, or on routes like these, it's the mainline. That way they can accommodate many more passengers who connect through Atlanta on their way to XYZ. This also works for the inbound leg the next morning (usually the first flight out) - DL wants to make the most connections available to the passengers so a large amount of seats is scheduled to arrive early enough for passengers to catch said connecting flights. Consider that about 80-90% of traffic through Atlanta is connecting.
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RE: The Delta Mainline Saga Continues..

Tue Sep 04, 2012 2:44 am

Quoting AVLAirlineFreq (Reply 10):
BAe 146s

Im not sure I have ever seen a BAE146 in DL colors. The closest I have ever seen are the 328s from ACA.
 
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RE: The Delta Mainline Saga Continues..

Tue Sep 04, 2012 2:50 am

Quoting UnitedTristar (Reply 30):

Ha, well played!   

Their campus is nuts.

Any idea what cities these mainline aircraft are coming at the expense of?

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RE: The Delta Mainline Saga Continues..

Tue Sep 04, 2012 2:58 am

Quoting FlyASAGuy2005 (Reply 4):
It'll be interesting to see what the landscape looks like 3-5 years from now when all the 717s are on property and the gutting of the CR2s is almost complete.

For all the talk of "gutting the CR2s", I heard that DL still plans to keep about half of them. Yes, there will be more mainline with the 717s and more 2-class RJ flying, but in spite of the impression many have that DL is getting rid of all the 50-seaters, it sounds like many are staying in the fleet. That said, the idea is to reduce 50-seater flying and increase larger jet flying while reducing frequency in a number of markets so as not to create too many capacity. I am curious to know what will happen in markets like CHA or AGS that depend on high frequency flying but are best suited for smaller aircraft.
 
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RE: The Delta Mainline Saga Continues..

Tue Sep 04, 2012 12:28 pm

The thing that keeps me most loyal to DL is the fact I can get to just about anywhere i want to go from OK on 2 class cr7/9 or emb175. Some places require an interesting routing, but I prefer regional over mainline except 757, md88/90 and wide body, although I'll miss the 2-5-2 777s.

Quoting Captainstefan (Reply 42):

Atl-okc last flight is m88, first okc-atl is m88, although we have seen multiple m88 flights in lieu of cr7/9, expect to be all regional for the winter again.
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RE: The Delta Mainline Saga Continues..

Tue Sep 04, 2012 12:28 pm

Quoting metjetCEO (Reply 43):
Im not sure I have ever seen a BAE146 in DL colors. The closest I have ever seen are the 328s from ACA.

Here you go. They weren't in the fleet very long...as has been mentioned here many times, BAe stands for "bring another engine."

 
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RE: The Delta Mainline Saga Continues..

Tue Sep 04, 2012 12:47 pm

Quoting KDTWflyer (Reply 23):
Well I noticed one mainline switch thats pretty sweet; Delta will be running a Boeing 757-300 from DTW to MSN on Sept 9th thats pretty large considering CRJs fly there all the time!

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Quoting aa777lvr (Reply 26):
Don't get too excited. I imagine it's a one-time upgrade.

There's a large software company located in the MSN area that has their annual convention that begins on Sept 10th. I'm assuming Delta is up-gauging their normal Airbus to accommodate convention attendees. I wouldn't be surprised if they're doing the same towards the end of the week to accommodate outbound traffic on the 13th or 14th. Delta has been good about up-gauging their normal equipment for major events (i.e. when the Badgers go to a bowl game).

Correct. This is for Epic's Users Group Meeting. There will be 6000-7000 guests arriving this year.

It's cool to see the one-time upgauges DL does for big events. They ran a bunch of 763s to DFW last weekend for the Alabama-Michigan game.
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RE: The Delta Mainline Saga Continues..

Tue Sep 04, 2012 1:30 pm

Quoting AVLAirlineFreq (Reply 47):
Quoting metjetCEO (Reply 43):
Im not sure I have ever seen a BAE146 in DL colors. The closest I have ever seen are the 328s from ACA.

Here you go. They weren't in the fleet very long...as has been mentioned here many times, BAe stands for "bring another engine."

I worked in the ASA building at ATL (next to the Renaissance) for a number of years and have never seen these. Thanks for sharing.

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