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RE: Indian Aviation Thread: Part 100

Wed Sep 19, 2012 5:18 am

Quoting aeroblogger (Reply 99):
some VIP sitting in F felt neglected

I thought VIPs are specifically looked after, especially if crew know they are VIPs.

Quoting comorin (Reply 98):
I bet if I start an Air India Antics Thread I would become even more famous than LAXDESI!

BTW, read the comments under the article, they are hillarious....
 
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RE: Indian Aviation Thread: Part 100

Wed Sep 19, 2012 5:29 am

Quoting AirIndia (Reply 100):
I thought VIPs are specifically looked after, especially if crew know they are VIPs.

AI does have a specific VIP procedure. I guess it wasn't followed.
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RE: Indian Aviation Thread: Part 100

Wed Sep 19, 2012 6:14 am

Quoting aeroblogger (Reply 99):
Long story short, while 2 FAs were eating their crew meals and chatting (apparently too loudly), some VIP sitting in F felt neglected. He complained to management, who issued a memo suggesting that FAs close the curtain when they eat, etc.

Standard quote from clueless manager, and a lot of embellishment (I'm being generous), and you have another Trash of India "news report"

Sorry aeroblogger, I have been in that situation ( AI/F) and when I asked for some caviar the FA said "Sorry saar, Business Class passengers ate all of it, now khaali..." - likely story.

I am not fan of TOI - it used to be a great newspaper in its time - but with AI, truth is stranger than fiction. If you have an Aunty or Unkel in AI for your sources, my apologies, but AI staff are the best source of the airline's shenanigans.

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RE: Indian Aviation Thread: Part 100

Wed Sep 19, 2012 7:58 am

Congrats LAXDesi..I have been following these threads for a long time  . Any news on new carriers for BLR? Would love it if TK started BLR
 
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RE: Indian Aviation Thread: Part 100

Wed Sep 19, 2012 11:59 am

Quoting comorin (Reply 102):
Sorry aeroblogger, I have been in that situation ( AI/F) and when I asked for some caviar the FA said "Sorry saar, Business Class passengers ate all of it, now khaali..." - likely story.

I am not fan of TOI - it used to be a great newspaper in its time - but with AI, truth is stranger than fiction. If you have an Aunty or Unkel in AI for your sources, my apologies, but AI staff are the best source of the airline's shenanigans.

I don't have an aunty or an uncle in my sources, no. But I did read the circular. It mentions crew rationing. There is no mention of consumption of passenger meals.

I'm not sure which flight it was - perhaps on that flight (if it was shorthaul), the crew rationing was the leftover passenger meals. But the point is that the circular never mentions crew taking meals from passengers.
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RE: Indian Aviation Thread: Part 100

Wed Sep 19, 2012 1:58 pm

Quoting comorin (Reply 98):
AI staff also seems to be suffering from another kind of "bloat":

Times of India reports scarfing FAs annoying pax:

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/i...9.cms

As a matter of fact, negligence or not, I have experienced this kind of food hogging by FAs in the last 2 times I flew AI and once in a 9W ATR flight as well. Seems commonplace these days. As long as this doesn't affect passenger service I don't mind them. But yeah if they prioritize their eating to serving pax, then it sure is an issue.
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RE: Indian Aviation Thread: Part 100

Wed Sep 19, 2012 4:52 pm

Quoting JOYA380B747 (Reply 105):
As a matter of fact, negligence or not, I have experienced this kind of food hogging by FAs in the last 2 times I flew AI and once in a 9W ATR flight as well. Seems commonplace these days. As long as this doesn't affect passenger service I don't mind them. But yeah if they prioritize their eating to serving pax, then it sure is an issue.

Hey, when you don't get paid paid for months, at least you get to eat!  
 
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RE: Indian Aviation Thread: Part 100

Wed Sep 19, 2012 6:41 pm

Corruption and theft at AI is par for the course. What does one expect from a state operated airline whose unioned employees pretty much life time employment? One will recall a recent news article about what was found at AI. As any real corrective action been taken for this? Obviously not.

http://www.smh.com.au/travel/travel-...india-bankrupt-20120518-1yuvj.html
 
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RE: Indian Aviation Thread: Part 100

Wed Sep 19, 2012 7:33 pm

Quoting comorin (Reply 106):

I thought this would be par for the course at KF  .
 
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RE: Indian Aviation Thread: Part 100

Wed Sep 19, 2012 8:36 pm

Quoting CaliAtenza (Reply 108):

KFC, maybe.
What the...?
 
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RE: Indian Aviation Thread: Part 100

Thu Sep 20, 2012 1:46 am

SpiceJet to be the first carrier to take advantage of the new fuel import rules... They've come to an agreement with a Singapore-based company to import fuel.
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RE: Indian Aviation Thread: Part 100

Thu Sep 20, 2012 6:47 am

Quoting BLRAviation (Reply 92):

Yes sir.   
Quoting comorin (Reply 102):
TOI - it used to be a great newspaper in its time

Most Aviation articles in todays newspapers are mostly amusing and serve as jokes during our maintenance breakl chats at work...... 
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RE: Indian Aviation Thread: Part 100

Thu Sep 20, 2012 12:36 pm

Air India’s Dreamliner develops technical snag on first day

What had exactly happened here, does anybody have an info?
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RE: Indian Aviation Thread: Part 100

Thu Sep 20, 2012 8:18 pm

Quoting JOYA380B747 (Reply 112):
What had exactly happened here, does anybody have an info?

Just a routine cooling system issue. Took about 30 minutes to fix, and that was only because the aircraft is new and the engineers are still getting used to it..

Teething problems are common at every airline when new fleet types enter...
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RE: Indian Aviation Thread: Part 100

Fri Sep 21, 2012 3:11 am

First A333 for 9W is here almost.

https://www.airliners.net/photo/Jet-A...d=8d2b82e77e8e6b08178b11ea932563d6

Expecting a winter delivery of this jet and new destinations on the cards for 9W.
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RE: Indian Aviation Thread: Part 100

Sat Sep 22, 2012 12:48 am

Quoting goacom (Reply 97):
This is the kind of action Air India needs to take to cull its bloated labor force. So much for the bogus reorgs currently happening at AI!

Cutting staff at a PSU  Wow!   
   Har Har Har. What e Joke     
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RE: Indian Aviation Thread: Part 100

Sat Sep 22, 2012 6:31 am

Quoting JOYA380B747 (Reply 112):
What had exactly happened here, does anybody have an info?

While airside we asked the engineers. Apparently the re-circulating fan developed a snag.
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RE: Indian Aviation Thread: Part 100

Mon Sep 24, 2012 5:26 am

From 26 th sept AI 788 will operate on the daily DEL-DXB flight

AI995 DEL2025 – 2220DXB 788 D
AI996 DXB0005 – 0445DEL 788 D

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RE: Indian Aviation Thread: Part 100

Mon Sep 24, 2012 9:20 am

Quoting karan69 (Reply 117):
From 26 th sept AI 788 will operate on the daily DEL-DXB flight

These must be trainign flights? if yes, till which date?
 
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RE: Indian Aviation Thread: Part 100

Mon Sep 24, 2012 11:01 am

Quoting AirIndia (Reply 118):
These must be trainign flights? if yes, till which date?

Yes, it's part of the familiarization schedule.
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RE: Indian Aviation Thread: Part 100

Mon Sep 24, 2012 1:17 pm

Quoting JOYA380B747 (Reply 114):

First A333 for 9W is here almost.

https://www.airliners.net/photo/Jet-A...d=8d2b82e77e8e6b08178b11ea932563d6

Expecting a winter delivery of this jet and new destinations on the cards for 9W.

I thought they were already operating A330s. Were those leased from some other airline?
 
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RE: Indian Aviation Thread: Part 100

Mon Sep 24, 2012 1:43 pm

Quoting karan69 (Reply 117):
From 26 th sept AI 788 will operate on the daily DEL-DXB flight

AI995 DEL2025 – 2220DXB 788 D
AI996 DXB0005 – 0445DEL 788 D

Karan

Hi Karan, can you please tell me why AI chooses these awkward times - making a red eye flight when it is not necessary? I like flying EK because of its daytime BLR flights for instance; are there other business reasons for night owl services?

Thanks.
 
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RE: Indian Aviation Thread: Part 100

Mon Sep 24, 2012 5:00 pm

Quoting buck3y3nut (Reply 120):
I thought they were already operating A330s.

Those are the A332s. These are the first 333s, all leased.
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RE: Indian Aviation Thread: Part 100

Mon Sep 24, 2012 7:18 pm

Quoting comorin (Reply 121):
Hi Karan, can you please tell me why AI chooses these awkward times - making a red eye flight when it is not necessary? I like flying EK because of its daytime BLR flights for instance; are there other business reasons for night owl services?

O&D traffic ex-India tends to prefer redeye flights. Both 9W and AI tend to schedule international departures with redeyes when possible.
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RE: Indian Aviation Thread: Part 100

Mon Sep 24, 2012 7:35 pm

Hi Comrin

AI after the strike is still getting its act together before that it had civilized day departures from both DEL and BOM ,

Also it had gone quite far in implementing a DEL hub sadly the govt nature of the airline cannot help it succeed

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RE: Indian Aviation Thread: Part 100

Tue Sep 25, 2012 2:41 am

Lessors paying a crore a pop to AAI to repossess Kingfisher aircraft is a new low...
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RE: Indian Aviation Thread: Part 100

Tue Sep 25, 2012 2:50 am

Quoting Karan69 (Reply 124):

AI after the strike is still getting its act together before that it had civilized day departures from both DEL and BOM ,

Also it had gone quite far in implementing a DEL hub sadly the govt nature of the airline cannot help it succeed

Appreciate the response! I think AI will limp along until the credit agencies (Moody's et al.) force the GOI to disinvest.
 
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RE: Indian Aviation Thread: Part 100

Tue Sep 25, 2012 4:55 am

Quoting comorin (Reply 121):
Hi Karan, can you please tell me why AI chooses these awkward times - making a red eye flight when it is not necessary? I like flying EK because of its daytime BLR flights for instance; are there other business reasons for night owl services?

With due respect to Karan's vast reserve of knowledge, may I also answer this question addressed to Karan?

A variety of reasons.

1.
Staffing. Traditionally most international flights were and still are at night and therefore human Govt. infrastructure (customs, immigration, etc.) was scheduled at night. Even today, the daytime availability of this staff is skeleton thin.
2.
Increase of aircraft utilisation. During 18 hours (5am~11pm) Indian aircraft are used on domestic routes. India is not broad east-west like the US, and also does not have multiple time zones. However if you take a virtual geography from Middle East till SE Asia, you will see traffic patterns similar to the US. i.e. West to East (from Mid-east to India, from India to SE Asia) is red eye overnight. East to West is more "normal working hours" whether later in the night or earlier in the morning.
3.
Many North American and European countries, and Japan, do not allow late night flight operations. This coupled with historic financial strength of these geographies during the growth phase of international air travel (1950s~1970s), has resulted in movements to these major destinations tilted towards "day" or "normal" time operations.

South Asia incl. India, Middle East, Africa, SE Asia allow for late night light operations to facilitate their airlines being able to operate as per the timing constraints of these popular destinations. Many major international carriers operating to India depend on transiting traffic (EK, QR, EY, LH, OS, LX, SQ, MH, CX, KA, amongst others).

Red eye flights from India perfectly schedule for the morning departures from Gulf, SE Asia, HKG, Europe, towards these major destinatons.
4.
Many Indian travellers especially to nearby destinations, prefer to save one day's hotel charges, which is facilitated by the red eye flight.
5.
Global patterns.While there are exceptions, generally flights west to east are red-eye (US to Europe, West Coast to East Coast, Japan to US, Middle East to India, India to SE Asia).

Hope this helps.

[Edited 2012-09-24 22:03:00]
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RE: Indian Aviation Thread: Part 100

Tue Sep 25, 2012 10:39 am

AI Shelves Planned Boeing 787 Service to DXB

As per 25SEP12 GDS timetable and inventory display, AI has cancelled the planned DEL - DXB 787 operation starting from 26-Sep-2012 and will continue to operate Airbus A321 aircraft on this route.

Instead Boeing 787 will operate daily DEL - CCU and DEL - MAA, while DEL - BLR will be twice daily instead of one.

[Edited 2012-09-25 03:47:39]
 
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RE: Indian Aviation Thread: Part 100

Tue Sep 25, 2012 11:33 am

BLR loads have been excellent. A couple days ago, AI even had to sub a 77L for the 787 because J class was full!
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RE: Indian Aviation Thread: Part 100

Tue Sep 25, 2012 6:50 pm

Quoting aeroblogger (Reply 129):
BLR loads have been excellent. A couple days ago, AI even had to sub a 77L for the 787 because J class was full!

In fact, whats the reason behind so limited widebody service on domestic Indian routes? Don't AI or other airlines see any profitability in doing that or are there restrictions or something?
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Tue Sep 25, 2012 8:18 pm

Quoting JOYA380B747 (Reply 130):
In fact, whats the reason behind so limited widebody service on domestic Indian routes? Don't AI or other airlines see any profitability in doing that or are there restrictions or something?

Widebodies burn much more fuel than narrowbodies on shorthaul routes per passenger.

It would be more profitable to run 2xA321 than 1x777. Not to mention the former option also allows for scheduling flexibility.

AI runs widebodies on domestic legs so that they can sell "direct" service on a widebody without aircraft change. However, as fuel prices continue to increase, I expect that the international connectors will be served by A32x sooner rather than later.
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RE: Indian Aviation Thread: Part 100

Tue Sep 25, 2012 8:34 pm

FDI in aviation: IndiGo says no plan to take foreign partner on-board to expand business. I wonder if Go Air is more likely to attract interest once rules on overseas flying are relaxed.
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RE: Indian Aviation Thread: Part 100

Wed Sep 26, 2012 2:46 am

Quoting aeroblogger (Reply 131):
However, as fuel prices continue to increase, I expect that the international connectors will be served by A32x sooner rather than later.

I never understood why they've been using widebodies for those connectors for so long in the first place.
 
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RE: Indian Aviation Thread: Part 100

Wed Sep 26, 2012 8:42 am

Quoting aeroblogger (Reply 131):
Widebodies burn much more fuel than narrowbodies on shorthaul routes per passenger.

It would be more profitable to run 2xA321 than 1x777. Not to mention the former option also allows for scheduling flexibility.

Sure if you are using the same 2 or 3 class configured jets meant for international flights. But not if they have domestic high pax configs on their widebodies I believe.

Could any Indian operator not ply high pax configured widebodies in India? After all India's short-haul isn't so short as those of Japan.
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RE: Indian Aviation Thread: Part 100

Wed Sep 26, 2012 9:04 am

Quoting JOYA380B747 (Reply 134):
Could any Indian operator not ply high pax configured widebodies in India? After all India's short-haul isn't so short as those of Japan.

Aren't y'all forgetting the A300s that IC used to ply on Indian 'transcons', like DEL-BLR ?
 
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RE: Indian Aviation Thread: Part 100

Wed Sep 26, 2012 9:39 am

What are the flight numbers of the AI DEL-BLR 787 flight? Was thinking of making a trip on it..  
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RE: Indian Aviation Thread: Part 100

Wed Sep 26, 2012 11:23 am

Quoting sturmovik (Reply 136):
What are the flight numbers of the AI DEL-BLR 787 flight? Was thinking of making a trip on it..
AI 403, AI 404, AI 803, AI 505

[Edited 2012-09-26 04:23:51]
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RE: Indian Aviation Thread: Part 100

Wed Sep 26, 2012 2:40 pm

Quoting aeroblogger (Reply 137):
Quoting sturmovik (Reply 136):
What are the flight numbers of the AI DEL-BLR 787 flight? Was thinking of making a trip on it..
AI 403, AI 404, AI 803, AI 505

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RE: Indian Aviation Thread: Part 100

Wed Sep 26, 2012 5:10 pm

Quoting comorin (Reply 135):
Aren't y'all forgetting the A300s that IC used to ply on Indian 'transcons', like DEL-BLR ?

Yes I remember them very well, in fact I miss flying on that very much. AI could have easily replaced them and got some high capacity 767s.
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RE: Indian Aviation Thread: Part 100

Wed Sep 26, 2012 10:51 pm

Hi folks. Please forgive me if this question has already been answered (I didn scan this entire thread before posting this), but has 9W stopped flying into JFK?? I have not seen their aircraft at T8 all week here and am wondering if they went down to a lower frequency or a different schedule or pulled out of JFK completely. It was always nice looking out the window of my hangar while eating dinner and watch their evening departure push off the gate. Thank you for your info!

Quoting LAXDESI (Thread starter):
It is only fitting that I get to start the 100th thread from India

   Congratulations on reaching the century mark!!!!!
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RE: Indian Aviation Thread: Part 100

Wed Sep 26, 2012 10:56 pm

Quoting B6JFKH81 (Reply 140):
Hi folks. Please forgive me if this question has already been answered (I didn scan this entire thread before posting this), but has 9W stopped flying into JFK?? I have not seen their aircraft at T8 all week here and am wondering if they went down to a lower frequency or a different schedule or pulled out of JFK completely. It was always nice looking out the window of my hangar while eating dinner and watch their evening departure push off the gate. Thank you for your info!

Complete pullout.
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RE: Indian Aviation Thread: Part 100

Wed Sep 26, 2012 11:33 pm

Quoting aeroblogger (Reply 141):
Complete pullout.

Thanks, aeroblogger. Really a shame, I'll miss seeing them here 
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RE: Indian Aviation Thread: Part 100

Thu Sep 27, 2012 1:06 am

guys no one answered my question earlier but any news on new carriers for BLR? I seemed to recall that TK might start BLR and HYD....
 
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RE: Indian Aviation Thread: Part 100

Thu Sep 27, 2012 6:19 am

Quoting BLRAviation (Reply 127):
Staffing. Traditionally most international flights were and still are at night and therefore human Govt. infrastructure (customs, immigration, etc.) was scheduled at night. Even today, the daytime availability of this staff is skeleton thin.

I do not think that has anything to do with India - ME red eye flights. It has been there since ages.

Quoting BLRAviation (Reply 127):

Quoting BLRAviation (Reply 127):
South Asia incl. India, Middle East, Africa, SE Asia allow for late night light operations to facilitate their airlines being able to operate as per the timing constraints of these popular destinations. Many major international carriers operating to India depend on transiting traffic (EK, QR, EY, LH, OS, LX, SQ, MH, CX, KA, amongst others).

I disagree.

When EK started their inaugural flight to BOM (which was their 2nd flight in the network) they still operated a red eye flight to BOM. At that point EK was not a network carrier, just carried point to point traffic.

Quoting BLRAviation (Reply 127):
Many Indian travellers especially to nearby destinations, prefer to save one day's hotel charges, which is facilitated by the red eye flight.

In the context of India ME flights, yes people prefer to do an overnight travel so that they reach early morning to their Indian destination thus not wasting too much of their vacation time in the middle east.

Quoting CaliAtenza (Reply 143):

guys no one answered my question earlier but any news on new carriers for BLR? I seemed to recall that TK might start BLR and HYD....

TK has been talking a lot about expanding their presence in India, and ended up code sharing with Air India. As of now there aren't any new carriers coming to BLR.
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RE: Indian Aviation Thread: Part 100

Thu Sep 27, 2012 6:33 am

Quoting CaliAtenza (Reply 143):
guys no one answered my question earlier but any news on new carriers for BLR? I seemed to recall that TK might start BLR and HYD....

Nothing on the near horizon. I am meeting a senior person later today. I'll ask him informally.
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RE: Indian Aviation Thread: Part 100

Thu Sep 27, 2012 7:12 am

Quoting ojas (Reply 144):

I really want to try TK to India next time but I would prefer to fly to BLR directly  
 
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RE: Indian Aviation Thread: Part 100

Thu Sep 27, 2012 1:31 pm

9W seems to have axed MAA BRU

Availability for the flight is coming zeroed out on Amadeus and 9Ws website

Still unconfirmed although the move makes sense on 2 counts

A terminator to BRU is not possible with the JFK drop, the MAA aircraft would operate a terminator hence a operational move cheaper to fly pax to BOM or DEL on 737 s

second they maybe de Hubbing BRU in preparation for a MUC hub

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RE: Indian Aviation Thread: Part 100

Thu Sep 27, 2012 2:50 pm

Quoting aeroblogger (Reply 137):
AI 403, AI 404, AI 803, AI 505

Thanks  
Quoting comorin (Reply 138):
TR plus pics is a MUST!  

Definitely, if I can wrangle a day off from work.
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RE: Indian Aviation Thread: Part 100

Thu Sep 27, 2012 5:03 pm

Quoting Karan69 (Reply 147):
second they maybe de Hubbing BRU in preparation for a MUC hub

     
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Aircraft Cabins Passenger cabin shots showing seat arrangements as well as cargo aircraft interior

Cargo Aircraft Pictures of great freighter aircraft

Government Aircraft Aircraft flying government officials

Helicopters Our large helicopter section. Both military and civil versions

Blimps / Airships Everything from the Goodyear blimp to the Zeppelin

Night Photos Beautiful shots taken while the sun is below the horizon

Accidents Accident, incident and crash related photos

Air to Air Photos taken by airborne photographers of airborne aircraft

Special Paint Schemes Aircraft painted in beautiful and original liveries

Airport Overviews Airport overviews from the air or ground

Tails and Winglets Tail and Winglet closeups with beautiful airline logos