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Thu Sep 06, 2012 1:21 am

Dear lord, they are out of control...will they ever be stopped??

"There is something new," NBC Nightly News anchor Brian Williams said during Tuesday evening's 7 p.m. newscast. "Would believe testing the liquids you yourself buy inside the terminal where were we're allowed to have liquids?"

NBC's report then showed video submitted by passengers traveling through Ohio's Columbus International Airport on Sunday (Sept. 2). In that video, TSA agents can be seen testing passengers' beverages near a gate. NBC notes the passengers whose drinks were being tested had already cleared security and had purchased their drinks at a post-security retail outlet.

Despite NBC's report, the TSA insists it's nothing new.



http://travel.usatoday.com/flights/p...a-beverages-post-security/838998/1
 
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Thu Sep 06, 2012 1:26 am

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
Despite NBC's report, the TSA insists it's nothing new.

It's not. I've seen it from time to time, most recently at BTR in June.
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Thu Sep 06, 2012 1:27 am

So just in case TSA missed the poison powder in the carry on, they can catch the poisoned drink post security! Its brilliant! I'm sure this epic strategy will yield some very entertaining cell phone videos in the months to come.
 
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Thu Sep 06, 2012 1:35 am

Quoting Cubsrule (Reply 1):
Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
Despite NBC's report, the TSA insists it's nothing new.

It's not. I've seen it from time to time, most recently at BTR in June.
Quoting sonomaflyer (Reply 2):

So just in case TSA missed the poison powder in the carry on, they can catch the poisoned drink post security! Its brilliant! I'm sure this epic strategy will yield some very entertaining cell phone videos in the months to come.

How about they just "test" it when McDonalds brings it on property? Isn't that what they are supposed to be doing? This is completely ridiculous and accomplishes exactly ZERO. What is it supposed to discourage exactly?

What's next?

"Ma'am, we are going to need to cut that hair, it is long enough to be fashioned into a choking rope".
"Sir, your pants appear to be flammable, we would like to test them."
"Ma'am, is that a real baby or a robot, can we take some blood?"
"Sir, we believe your glasses could be used to start a fire when used with bright light, please surrender them."
"Ma'am those fingernails need to be trimmed, they could be used as a weapon."
 
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Thu Sep 06, 2012 1:41 am

Quoting Cubsrule (Reply 1):
It's not. I've seen it from time to time, most recently at BTR in June


It's been going on at my airport for at least a year or so now.

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Thu Sep 06, 2012 2:22 am

just another sign of too many employees with nothing better to do.
 
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Thu Sep 06, 2012 2:29 am

Quoting yfbflyer (Reply 5):
too many employees

They work for the federal government. That is par for the course.
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Thu Sep 06, 2012 2:49 am

I am in favor of TSA testing beverages post-security, especially those purchased at the airport bar. Some of those mass-produced beers are noxious. And the coffee at some places definitely has a possibility of strong heart-burn. I'm 90% sure this comment will put me on some list...
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Quoting Halophila (Reply 7):
I'm 90% sure this comment will put me on some list...

Don't worry, I'm not sure TSA is aware there is an internet.
 
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Thu Sep 06, 2012 3:05 am

Quoting Halophila (Reply 7):
I am in favor of TSA testing beverages post-security, especially those purchased at the airport bar. Some of those mass-produced beers are noxious. And the coffee at some places definitely has a possibility of strong heart-burn. I'm 90% sure this comment will put me on some list...

Will the TSA start testing food products next? The food served this past summer at one of the well-known burger chains at ATL certainly tasted "funny" to me -- or as funny as food poisoning could possibly be.

Seriously, where does all of this "security theater" end? It's ridiculous....
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Thu Sep 06, 2012 3:22 am

I wonder what knee-jerk reaction this is for. Don't get me wrong, I'm not defending the TSA, but I'm sure there was some vague threat of *some* terrorist plot or something and their simplistic answer was to do this.

And not to stir the political pot, mainly just for laughs, but this is why many Americans may not trust the government to run things 
 
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Thu Sep 06, 2012 3:32 am

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Thu Sep 06, 2012 3:38 am

They have been doing this for years. I just chug the drink, give them the cup, tell them to be useful and throw away my garbage then walk off.
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Thu Sep 06, 2012 4:04 am

The part that got me was TSA saying that 'airline employees or trusted vendors' are not screened every day. Really? Shouldn't all employees and vendors be screened just like the passengers, like at Court Houses?
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Thu Sep 06, 2012 4:17 am

TSA has been doing this since at least 2008 when they do the second check as you board the plane on random flights.
 
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Thu Sep 06, 2012 4:55 am

Quoting hhslax2 (Reply 14):
TSA has been doing this since at least 2008 when they do the second check as you board the plane on random flights

Yes, as a gate agent, I always love it when they show up at the gate on a flight where you're trying to turn the plane quickly, and delay the whole boarding process!
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Thu Sep 06, 2012 5:03 am

I've seen them do this at SLC the most. I've often wondered what the point really was.
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Thu Sep 06, 2012 5:17 am

Quoting Tomassjc (Reply 15):

Yes, as a gate agent, I always love it when they show up at the gate on a flight where you're trying to turn the plane quickly, and delay the whole boarding process!

And the person who makes the comment about the process delaying departure always gets pulled for screening.
 
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Thu Sep 06, 2012 5:19 am

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
Dear lord, they are out of control...will they ever be stopped??

Jeez   and here I thought they were lightening up
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Thu Sep 06, 2012 6:57 am

IMO, they will continue to extend their activities until the people of the US, (through Congress) learn to say no.

I see no risk of that happening.
 
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Thu Sep 06, 2012 9:55 am

They won't test my beverage, I won't fly!

I drive from Detroit to Milwaukee all the time. I drove to Richmond VA and back on a three day weekend. I agree that this nonsense has to stop. There is no credible evidence that the Thousands Standing Around have prevented any act of terrorism with this charade. The cost to taxpayers is immense and the inconvenience to the traveling public is immesurable.

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Thu Sep 06, 2012 10:50 am

The screening does not have to stop, it just has to get some common sense input.

If it's done like it is done in Europe, quicker, simpler and more efficient without such BS as screening drinks bought airside and harassing kids and old people, everyone should be happier.

Passengers pay for the screening which makes them customers. No decent business let's customers stand and wait. No decent business treats customers like TSA does.

Take the paranoia out, get efficiency in.
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Thu Sep 06, 2012 11:07 am

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Thu Sep 06, 2012 11:15 am

This has been going on for years. . .doesnt bother me. . . the whole idea is to keep someone who might try to do something to not know what the screening process might be. . . Id say there doing there job. . . btw. . .do you really think all of those trucks that get into the airport that service the vendors get screened. . . lol. . . .
 
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Thu Sep 06, 2012 11:26 am

Quoting JONC777 (Reply 23):
o you really think all of those trucks that get into the airport that service the vendors get screened. . . lol. . . .

well, here they do, whatever goes airside ins screened and inspected, by request of the U S of A. This was discussed before and it is amazing to see that the US do not apply the standards they impose on the rest of the world at home, instead they have a TSA harrassing passengers with stupid and inefficient procedures.



Quoting JONC777 (Reply 23):
the whole idea is to keep someone who might try to do something to not know what the screening process might be.

What's that supposed to be, could it be that unexpectedly on your next flight the TSA requires you to walk on your hands through the screening gate?
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Thu Sep 06, 2012 11:38 am

I may be wrong, but I seriously doubt that all this confusion about what the rules are has anything to do with fooling the real enemy.
 
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Thu Sep 06, 2012 11:59 am

Quoting canadianpylon (Reply 13):
The part that got me was TSA saying that 'airline employees or trusted vendors' are not screened every day. Really? Shouldn't all employees and vendors be screened just like the passengers, like at Court Houses?


Easier said than done.

[Edited 2012-09-06 05:00:33]
 
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Thu Sep 06, 2012 12:02 pm

Bloody hell this is moronic. The TSA is supposed to screen these foodstuffs as they go thru the airside security checks....or are US airports run differently than European ones?

I would guess that if someone is drinking from the beverage container there is a good chance that it is not chemical explosive.....but maybe the terrorists have conditioned themselves to withstand the burn in their mouth just so they can fool the TSA?

And how we be sure that they are not slipping some sedative into our drinks to ensure we are docile and co-operative during the flight.....now there's an idea for the TSA. Sedated pax cannot hijack an aircraft or trigger an explosive device!!
 
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Thu Sep 06, 2012 12:21 pm

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
Dear lord, they are out of control...will they ever be stopped??

And they still don't screen cargo and ramp workers...
 
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Thu Sep 06, 2012 12:25 pm

Quoting Tomassjc (Reply 15):
Yes, as a gate agent, I always love it when they show up at the gate on a flight where you're trying to turn the plane quickly, and delay the whole boarding process!

I struggle to find areas in which TSA has improved over the years, but this is one. They are much better at conducting the gate screenings in a manner that does not delay boarding than they used to be. Heck, the last time I said something to a screener about losing my spot in the WN line because of gate screening, the response was a laugh from all four screeners present.
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Thu Sep 06, 2012 12:34 pm

Quoting us330 (Reply 28):
And they still don't screen cargo and ramp workers...

and again, on the request of a country named USA this is done in the rest of the world, at great expense and ridiculous and unnecessary conditions. but it is done.
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Thu Sep 06, 2012 1:08 pm

Quoting canadianpylon (Reply 13):
The part that got me was TSA saying that 'airline employees or trusted vendors' are not screened every day. Really? Shouldn't all employees and vendors be screened just like the passengers, like at Court Houses?

Don't disagree. Why do pilots and FAs have to be screened, but not the McDonalds employee? The whole thing is a farce.

Quoting DTWSXM (Reply 20):
the Thousands Standing Around have prevented any act of terrorism with this charade.

How many tainted drinks have been found? ZERO

Quoting JONC777 (Reply 23):
the whole idea is to keep someone who might try to do something to not know what the screening process might be

Nobody even knows they are doing this, so how can it stop anybody? Further, if you have some secret drink from the McDonalds, wouldn't you hide it in your bag rather than carrying it in your hand? Dumb, dumb, dumb

Quoting EagleBoy (Reply 27):
Sedated pax cannot hijack an aircraft

The airlines use alcohol for that...
 
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Thu Sep 06, 2012 1:10 pm

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
Dear lord, they are out of control...will they ever be stopped??

The answer is once you grant the govt power, they never stop voluntarily
 
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Thu Sep 06, 2012 1:17 pm

How, exactly, do they test beverages? Do they just take a sip? Make you pour a bit out into a little tray and run it through their little EZ-bake oven machine?
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Thu Sep 06, 2012 1:39 pm

TSA is slapstick comedy, almost better than "Come Fly with me" of Little Britain.

I never forget that evening in Miami when it took me 10 minutes to proceed through that small U shaped course around the x-ray unit. I had to hold my boarding pass in front of my chest and awas asked for my name 5 times in these 10 minutes.

On boadring I was almost arrested because I looked down (too friendly) to the dog which was sitting between 3 TSA guys kneeling down and watching the pax boarding, military style. One of the guys yelled a remark and I just jumped into the cabin on British territory.
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Thu Sep 06, 2012 1:50 pm

How is drinking the damn thing not enough of a test?
 
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Thu Sep 06, 2012 3:05 pm

TSA indeed will be testing food now that they think human farts are like chemical weapons...

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Thu Sep 06, 2012 3:22 pm

This is a stupid question, but how do they test it? Sip it? I just flew from SJC to IAH on UA and they did nothing. But it was a nice ride on the 757 instead of the cramped 738
 
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Thu Sep 06, 2012 3:22 pm

They were doing this last Nov in ROC. The one TSA guy was so fat,I thought he was gonna pass out. I will refuse if they ask.
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Thu Sep 06, 2012 3:40 pm

Quoting bohica (Reply 11):
The horses have escaped. Go ahead and close the barn door.

Then torch the barn and salt the earth behind you.

More TSA insanity. And yet we the sheeple put up with this shit.
 
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Thu Sep 06, 2012 3:44 pm

Quoting DLX737200 (Reply 26):
Quoting canadianpylon (Reply 13):
The part that got me was TSA saying that 'airline employees or trusted vendors' are not screened every day. Really? Shouldn't all employees and vendors be screened just like the passengers, like at Court Houses?


Easier said than done.

I guess the inconvenience is acceptable for the schmucks paying the money to be there, but not so for the employees? Wouldn't it go to highlight how ridiculous things have come?

Quoting enilria (Reply 31):
Quoting canadianpylon (Reply 13):
The part that got me was TSA saying that 'airline employees or trusted vendors' are not screened every day. Really? Shouldn't all employees and vendors be screened just like the passengers, like at Court Houses?

Don't disagree. Why do pilots and FAs have to be screened, but not the McDonalds employee? The whole thing is a farce.

Agreed.

So following the next logical steps in TSA logic, will they be able to come around and test your drinks and meals at the airside restaurants?

'Excuse sir, we'd like to test your hamburger,fries and beer, as we suspect they are the components of an improvised explosive devices. We'll just take this to our 'testing lab' behind the TSA staff lounge. Unfortunately, the testing will destroy the suspected components. Oh, you don't want to give us your burger and beer... So you don't want to get on your plane either?'

I'm surprised the TSA doesn't insist that all toilets don't flush so they can sift through the 'contents' for suspect contraband. I can see the message on the toilets 'You have been randomly selected for additional screening. Please be seated and await TSA staff to conduct a search of you and your 'deposit'.'

And for god sake's, don't look at them directly in the eye!
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Thu Sep 06, 2012 4:01 pm

Quoting rcair1 (Reply 6):
They work for the federal government. That is par for the course.

Exactly the same as in the UK. Any car which stops within 500 metres of an airport terminal, is obviously about to detonate.......unless of course the driver has paid an extortionate 'parking fee' to render said car immobile (in which case, instant detonation wouldn't occur).
 
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Thu Sep 06, 2012 4:16 pm

Quoting rcair1 (Reply 6):
Quoting yfbflyer (Reply 5):
too many employees

They work for the federal government. That is par for the course
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Thu Sep 06, 2012 8:37 pm

Quoting us330 (Reply 28):
Quoting enilria (Thread starter): ....ramp workers...

Uh, yes we are screened. That's as far as I'm allowed to say.
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Thu Sep 06, 2012 9:27 pm

At the end of the day, security is all a matter of trust.

I believe the TSA is starting to screen people and things which are now beyond the level at which they can be trusted themselves...

Let's not forget that they are mostly undereducated, underpaid government workers with an unrewarding job. How deeply are those people screened and checked anyway? If the security level is going to go into full paranoia mode, shouldn't there be an agency that tightly monitors every TSA single agent?

Not a rhetorical question BTW...

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Thu Sep 06, 2012 9:54 pm

Quoting us330 (Reply 28):
And they still don't screen cargo

Yeah, they do. All cargo that boards a passenger aircraft is screened. Can't provide any more details than that.

Quoting olddominion727 (Reply 37):
This is a stupid question, but how do they test it?

From what I saw on the TV news story they check for "gases" escaping the liquid that would indicate it's an explosive or incindiary.

Every time I hear of some new TSA stunt I think they can't get any more ridiculous. And then then never cease to prove me wrong
  
 
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Thu Sep 06, 2012 10:20 pm

Quoting AirframeAS (Reply 43):
Uh, yes we are screened. That's as far as I'm allowed to say.

Ramp agents aren't screened. Rather, occasionally the TSA attempts to screen them, but they just pick another SIDA door that TSA isn't camped out at (TSA is very stubborn and will not walk more than 12 feet to screen someone) to enter through.

It's not like it's some big security mystery. Quite the contrary, the more people know about it the more likely TSA is to finally do something about this gaping hole in security.
 
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Thu Sep 06, 2012 10:47 pm

Quoting enilria (Reply 3):
How about they just "test" it when McDonalds brings it on property? Isn't that what they are supposed to be doing? This is completely ridiculous and accomplishes exactly ZERO. What is it supposed to discourage exactly?

I can tell you this from my days working for a vendor that stocked the bookstores and newsstands at ATL that the biggest hole in the fence at airports are the vendors who deliver products to the airport. Every day when we entered the airport property in our delivery trucks, we never had our loads inspected at any security checkpoint we had to drive through on the way to the concourses. Our supervisors drove pickup trucks and would often bring orders to the other trucks and the security guards would do a precursory glance over the bed of the truck. All the security guards cared about was that everyone in the vehicle had a badge and the access placard on our vehicles matched the tag number of the vehicle. The only vehicles subject to a search were vehicles being escorted onto the airport property for a one-off delivery. Even after we parked our vehicles at our assigned concourse, no TSA agents or City of Atlanta PD asked to do a check of our vehicles nor were our deliveries ever subject to a random check while we were upstairs.

The problem is that to check every delivery vehicle that comes onto the airport property would require an army of folks to inspect every vehicle unless you had some sort of X-ray scanner that you drive through (similar to what is used at some ports as well as border crossing and that's unlikely to be done (at least until some sort of plot is discovered in which the terrorists used delivery vehicles to deliver explosives or weapons onto the airport).
 
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Fri Sep 07, 2012 12:01 am

Quoting N766UA (Reply 46):
Ramp agents aren't screened

You are wrong, sir. Again, yes we are! Come to DEN and see for yourself.

And it's not only the TSA screening us......

Now, that's all I can say....for security reasons.
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Fri Sep 07, 2012 12:49 am

Quoting AirframeAS (Reply 48):
You are wrong, sir. Again, yes we are! Come to DEN and see for yourself.

That covers the operations at one airport. Not really indicative of everywhere, is it?

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