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Congrats To AAuntie..Longevity With Airlines?

Thu Sep 20, 2012 6:04 pm

Compelled to congratulate my AAunt for retiring after 35 years of service at American Airlines.

That said, I post this with some sadness and hope for the future of airline personnel.

In these times, it is becoming INCREASING RARE to start with one airline and retire with the same company under the same name 12, 20 or 25 years later. Its a breed that is getting rarer and rarer.

That said, for the workers starting today at Virgin, Jetblue and other newer non-legacy carriers, I look forward to your thoughts. What do you feel your future holds at your airline job?
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RE: Congrats To AAuntie..Longevity With Airlines?

Thu Sep 20, 2012 6:08 pm

Quoting mirrodie (Thread starter):
What do you feel your future holds at your airline job?

I'm a younger employee at a major international carrier (non-US) and I already feel as though my job is in doubt here. I'd be highly surprised to see anyone in my age group retiring from their current carrier 40 or so years down the road, we will all have been laid off/outsourced by then.
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RE: Congrats To AAuntie..Longevity With Airlines?

Thu Sep 20, 2012 6:24 pm

Congrats to your Aunt, Mirrodie buddy-

I've been with a major international carrier as well pushing 12 years, I've had to move around to 4 airports already to keep my job, and I am willing to keep moving if need be, even to the mega hub if required...I plan on Longevity here...

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RE: Congrats To AAuntie..Longevity With Airlines?

Thu Sep 20, 2012 6:44 pm

I took early retirement at DL at age 57 with 33 1/2 years with the company. Might have been about 5 years longer if they hadn't come up with the early retirement offer.

Having said all that, depending on the viability of the company, there may be people hanging on to their airline jobs, considering the jobs situation, elsewhere. Many of the younger people that I worked with, I don't believe, intended on it to be a career, but may have changed their minds when the economy tanked.
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RE: Congrats To AAuntie..Longevity With Airlines?

Thu Sep 20, 2012 6:48 pm

There just is no point anymore to staying with the same company anymore. No incentive which the airlines are all for today. Pensions... gone. 401k contribution... gone in my lifetime. Which the airlines are very happy with having people leave now a days since they'll no longer have to pay a ton of people at $$$$ top out rate. I'm 24 and people in age bracket would likely agree. Switching companies every few years gives you a boost of excitement the moment you get the call. Gearing up for learning a new company and associated job responsiblities instead of staying at the same one for decades (again this goes hand in hand with there not being anymore incentive) where the job and learning dynamic at the company just gets stagnant.

Congrats to the AAunt though! Talk about good timing.
 
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RE: Congrats To AAuntie..Longevity With Airlines?

Thu Sep 20, 2012 6:55 pm

Sorry to see that one of AA's more junior F/A's will be retiring!
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RE: Congrats To AAuntie..Longevity With Airlines?

Thu Sep 20, 2012 7:30 pm

Quoting PHLapproach (Reply 4):
where the job and learning dynamic at the company just gets stagnant.

Depends on what your job is. I worked mostly cargo and operations and, at least in cargo, there's always a new challenge, something different happening, almost every day. A lot of avoiding stagnation, depends on the people you are working with.....if you get along and everyone pulls their weight, it makes the job more palatable.
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RE: Congrats To AAuntie..Longevity With Airlines?

Thu Sep 20, 2012 7:53 pm

Quoting PHLapproach (Reply 4):
I'm 24 and people in age bracket would likely agree. Switching companies every few years gives you a boost of excitement the moment you get the call. Gearing up for learning a new company and associated job responsiblities instead of staying at the same one for decades (again this goes hand in hand with there not being anymore incentive) where the job and learning dynamic at the company just gets stagnant.

I disagree on every point except your first one. Most people our age (I'm a little older) would agree they don't think they will or would want to stay in place, so you've got me there.

However, I'm on my 3rd job within the airline in 3 totally different departments. Each in a completely different division, with different challenges and levels of excitement. The best part about an airline is you have: Consulting, Finance, Economics, Operations, Legal, Advertising, Marketing, Government Affairs, Environmental Affairs, Accounting all of those things to choose from under one roof. Many companies do maybe 1-2 of those things. It's easy to find a new challenge.

In addition, if you thinking the learning opportunities in this business are EVER stale then you're looking in the wrong places.

Most people hear that some Fortune 500 company is moving their headquarters and think, "meh". An airline employee that's paying attention will wonder, "what does that mean for our route to XXX, will it be viable?" and "what are our services to the new city they moved to? Will we keep their business?" There are so many things happening every day, you just need to know where to look.

Congrats to the OP's Aunt, it's nice to see loyalty these days, and I for one would be happy to have the same accomplishment (Albeit not with AA   )

[Edited 2012-09-20 12:55:14]
 
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RE: Congrats To AAuntie..Longevity With Airlines?

Thu Sep 20, 2012 8:31 pm

We are a new generation, we don't expect to be working for the same company our entire career.

I don't understand how people can stay in one company their entire career and still think the company owes them for being loyal. It is the 21st century and capitalism has changed the way companies work.
 
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RE: Congrats To AAuntie..Longevity With Airlines?

Thu Sep 20, 2012 9:01 pm

Quoting rojo (Reply 8):

I don't understand how people can stay in one company their entire career and still think the company owes them for being loyal. It is the 21st century and capitalism has changed the way companies work.




I guess it depends on the company and the employees. I'm sure I wouldn't have stayed with DL that long if they hadn't returned that loyalty I had for them. But, they did.......so I stayed and am very glad I did.
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RE: Congrats To AAuntie..Longevity With Airlines?

Thu Sep 20, 2012 11:38 pm

Quoting rojo (Reply 8):

"We are a new generation, we don't expect to be working for the same company our entire career.

I don't understand how people can stay in one company their entire career and still think the company owes them for being loyal. It is the 21st century and capitalism has changed the way companies work."




Speak for yourself, given the nature of my profession I sure hope to find a company I can stay with for the long haul. I don't understand how someone can stay with one company their entire career and NOT expect some show of loyalty. Otherwise you end up with what is happening at AA right now. Loyalty on both sides of the fence goes a long way to a successful company.
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RE: Congrats To AAuntie..Longevity With Airlines?

Fri Sep 21, 2012 1:18 am

Congrats to your AAunt! I hope she retired willingly. My father was forced to retire after nearly 39 years even though he couldn't afford it. And you guys want to talk about longevity and dedication? You show up to work, are given paperwork, and escorted out without being allowed to clean out your desk. That's how AA appreciates your 39 years of service.  
 
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RE: Congrats To AAuntie..Longevity With Airlines?

Fri Sep 21, 2012 3:33 am

Quoting LONGisland89 (Reply 11):

I hope she retired willingly, too. I DID.........two of us retired out of SLC cargo on that day and they had a small party for us on that day, my wife, daughter and son-in-law were there.....got a plaque commemorating my years and then went home.
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RE: Congrats To AAuntie..Longevity With Airlines?

Fri Sep 21, 2012 1:23 pm

I retired last year after 38 years in the industry. Started at Braniff International, got hired by Northwest Orient almost immediately after BI folded and ended my career at Delta. I had a GREAT job. I got to do exactly what I wanted to do for my entire professional life. I had some memorable passengers, a few (very few) really nasty ones but by far the best part of my job was ithe incredibly professional, awesomely funny people I worked with. Passengers never get to see us "off the job" but no work group could be closer. We have great respect and affection for our colleagues and we would literally walk through fire to save them. Our layovers around the world ranged from some pretty good parties (mostly in my younger, dumber days), to a quiet dinner at a favorite restaurant with a few friends (the "Crew Lounge" in Mainz, Germany immediately comes to mind) to what we called the "slam-clickers." Some nights you were just so tired and needed some time to yourself you would say good night in the hotel hallway and then you would hear to door close and the lock click and you would not see me until pickup the next day.

Delta's #1 flight attendant is 88 years old and he is still actively flying a full month. He now has over 61 years of seniority. I know I could never have made it that long! Delta had to specially design a 60 year service pin for him as no one had ever reached that mark. Congratulations to him and to my colleauges. I will always keep you in my heart.
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RE: Congrats To AAuntie..Longevity With Airlines?

Fri Sep 21, 2012 2:31 pm

Congrats to your aunt. I have worked in the airline industry since I was 19 i'm 27 now. I started out with the ramp at one airline. I quit after 4 years and moved to Dallas with friends. Shorty after I got hired on with AA at AFW. I got bored about 2-21/2 years into the job. It was getting "stale" as one put it. I transferred to a different shop with most of the people I worked with the first 2-2 1/2 years. I remember thinking at one point in time that I do not want a new job. Maybe a transfer to a new department but but not leave the company. I will be gone though by Dec 17. I would have loved to said that I retired after 20 years with AA. I have had a great time there so far and became friends with some cool people. All I can do is hope for a recall someday. But from what I understand is that's going to be highly unlikely.

So I will move on to another airline hopefully.
 
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RE: Congrats To AAuntie..Longevity With Airlines?

Fri Sep 21, 2012 3:30 pm

Two of my friends reitred from NW/DL with 37 and 38 years respectively. Now a days, carriers don't want folks to
stay until retirement.

A flight attendant friend was talking the other day about "I remember flying 727's in Vietnam" - I was thinking
"was I even born then??"

Congratulations to your Aunt! God bless her!
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RE: Congrats To AAuntie..Longevity With Airlines?

Fri Sep 21, 2012 4:20 pm

Had I stayed with CO after the EA/CO fiasco of the late 90s I would have 28 years. I left and went to HP/US in 1989 and held out until my Kidneys failed in 2006. I left ABQ returned home to recover and am waiting for a transplant. Once I got well enough I went back to work for Expressjet in CRP in 2007 and got furloughed last month after 5 years there. Im done with the airline biz unless I can find a position that is not at a field station. I saw an opening for a Ground ops Trainer at FTW for AA. But I can see AA is too unstable thus Im going to hold off on that. Having said all that, it is not all that great to have tenure, especially in field stations and ground ops/customer service. That is too easily outsourced. Once you get to a certain point you have become too expensive, just look at whats happening at WN now. Good luck to all the friends I have made at many a carrier AA/CO/DL/NW/UA/HP/US/TW you were all wonder people.

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RE: Congrats To AAuntie..Longevity With Airlines?

Mon Sep 24, 2012 4:36 am

Quoting PHLapproach (Reply 4):
Talk about good timing.

Seriously. AA is slowly imploding this last week...

Quoting rojo (Reply 8):
I don't understand how people can stay in one company their entire career and still think the company owes them for being loyal.

I dont think anyone thinks the airline OWES them. But if you are hired on with a certain contract and understanding, the airline should pay up.....in much the same we the CEOs get their parachute packages.

But I have to disagree. WIth Jetblue and Southwest really working towards a certain culture at their companies, I think there are better work relations there....at least that is the impression on the surface.

Quoting LONGisland89 (Reply 11):
My father was forced to retire after nearly 39 years even though he couldn't afford it. And you guys want to talk about longevity and dedication? You show up to work, are given paperwork, and escorted out without being allowed to clean out your desk. That's how AA appreciates your 39 years of service.

SOrry to hear. What did he do for them?
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