MAN News 47

Liverpoola380 · Mon Oct 01, 2012 11:01 am

I wanted to post in 46 but it seems to have been closed.

I flew out last week and the new control tower is coming along nicely.

Does anybody have any idea when it will be complete and what will happen to the old building?

Mattuk · Mon Oct 01, 2012 11:32 pm

Not sure if I trust Wikipedia too much, but it's suggesting that MAN is getting 2 further new routes for Summer 2013:

FR to NCE from the 11/03/13

and

AC to YYZ from the 01/05/2013

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Manchester_Airport

Can anyone confirm if these are true?

CX Flyboy · Tue Oct 02, 2012 12:19 am

CX has MAN in its plans again but not till 2015/2016 when they will send the A350. Subject to change obviously!

mpsrent · Tue Oct 02, 2012 1:26 am

Quoting Mattuk (Reply 1):

Air Canada is only weeks away from launching a new low cost carrier and it is widely rumoured but not confirmed that YYZ to MAN is one of the European destinations.

http://www.thestar.com/business/arti...to-launch-low-cost-carrier-in-2013

http://www.cbc.ca/news/business/stor...012/09/19/air-canada-low-cost.html

As I travel to MAN a couple of times per year, I welcome the addition of another option.

Liverpoola380 · Tue Oct 02, 2012 8:46 am

It would be great to see AC at MAN

Would its low cost subsidary be operating long haul routes?

ZKOJH · Tue Oct 02, 2012 10:49 am

Can't see CX making a move, they will reduce the staff number's at MAN which has got a lot of people confused, they don't have many to start with several quotes including , Cathays words 'MAN is chronically overstaffed and a staff base of that size is unsustainable in the long run'.

The only other early rumor is the news of JAL to Japan in conjunction with BA's new 'JSA' using 787 aircraft!

as we come into the winter timetable 2013 is looking rather shaky at the moment.

alanelrfc · Tue Oct 02, 2012 10:58 am

New control tower is due for final completion and operation around May 2013

Liverpoola380 · Wed Oct 03, 2012 3:19 pm

Good to see menzies wearing BA uniforms in T3 now

Look so much more professional that servisair!

CX Flyboy · Wed Oct 03, 2012 6:45 pm

Quoting ZKOJH (Reply 5):
Can't see CX making a move, they will reduce the staff number's at MAN which has got a lot of people confused, they don't have many to start with several quotes including , Cathays words 'MAN is chronically overstaffed and a staff base of that size is unsustainable in the long run'.

CX isn't a rumour. MAN was listed in a PowerPoint presentation I saw about forthcoming destinations planned this decade for the longhaul fleet.

David_itl · Wed Oct 03, 2012 7:17 pm

Quoting cx flyboy (Reply 8):
I saw about forthcoming destinations planned this decade for the longhaul fleet.

Just extremely annoying that they see fit to keep routing passengers over LHR pending the A350. from the Routeshop website:

"Indirect traffic from MAN in 2011 to HKG was 103,000 (MIDT 2011). Leakage from the MAN catchment to London airports was 163,000 (CAA 2011). " That CAA figure equates to nearly 450 passengers per day. Get the majority of cargo shifted on the 3 or 4 weekly 74F service onto the passenger service and then tell me why that they can't operate this route now.

No doubt when the time comes. they'll do the stupid thing by making it a one-stop route and not something that will enhance the route i.e operate it non-stop.

CX Flyboy · Wed Oct 03, 2012 10:27 pm

Quoting david_itl (Reply 9):
Quoting cx flyboy (Reply 8):
I saw about forthcoming destinations planned this decade for the longhaul fleet.

Just extremely annoying that they see fit to keep routing passengers over LHR pending the A350. from the Routeshop website:

"Indirect traffic from MAN in 2011 to HKG was 103,000 (MIDT 2011). Leakage from the MAN catchment to London airports was 163,000 (CAA 2011). " That CAA figure equates to nearly 450 passengers per day. Get the majority of cargo shifted on the 3 or 4 weekly 74F service onto the passenger service and then tell me why that they can't operate this route now.

No doubt when the time comes. they'll do the stupid thing by making it a one-stop route and not something that will enhance the route i.e operate it non-stop.

The intention is to make it non-stop and the A350 with it's low operating costs with enable that. Correctly or not, at the moment the company have decided that the yields and loads are such that it is not profitable. Remember, the figure you quoted is an annual travel figure no doubt with many passengers concentrated around Christmas, Easter, Summer holidays etc. CX might struggle to fill an aircraft at other times of the year.

In addition to all this is that we are chronically short of pilots and any expansion must take this into account. Also the company did not make a profit so far this year and we have cut back on services to North America not because they are not doing well but because they need to pull the 777-300ERs off the routes to be able to send them to Europe to replace the now-inefficient 747-400. 2013+2014 will be about replacing the remaining 747-400s to Europe and restoring those frequencies to North America when more 777-300ERs arrive. When the next longhaul destination is launched, it will be EWR because of the high yields New York provide - higher than MAN.

By end of 2013, all four CX LHR flights will be 777-300ERs. With the addition of a 5th LHR sector unlikely for the time being because of slots, it makes launching MAN the next logical step, especially when you have gone to 4x 777s a day to LHR from 3x 744s (Big loss of seatcount).

CX's policy towards new destinations has always been to only launch when they are confident of profit from almost day one. This does mean that many destinations which are probably viable, are missed out until demand grows to such levels that profitability is assured!! This is changing however and the CEO has said that we must take a "launch it and see" attitude to new destinations now. We will have to wait and see whether MAN is one of those wait and see places!

David_itl · Mon Oct 15, 2012 6:52 pm

Looks like BE will be operating for AY from 28th October as they're taking on 12 E190s and operating 14 routes. MAN not mentioned but did dummy booking and "AY2934"/"AY2933" came up with in italics "operated by Flybe"

BlueShamu330s · Mon Oct 15, 2012 7:49 pm

Looks like 2 cargo operators will have MAN schedules by April '13. One is new, the other has had a presence before.

Possibility of a couple more.

Look east for ideas.

Rgds

David_itl · Mon Oct 15, 2012 7:51 pm

Hazarding Air China for one. EVA Air for the other.

LGWGate49 · Tue Oct 16, 2012 3:07 pm

U2 expanding further by the looks of it, to VCE / AYT / JMK / JTR starting in Feb:

http://airlineroute.net/2012/10/16/u2-man-feb13/

neveragain · Tue Oct 16, 2012 3:38 pm

Quoting liverpoola380 (Thread starter):
I flew out last week and the new control tower is coming along nicely.

Does anybody have any idea when it will be complete and what will happen to the old building?

I have heard a couple different suggestions for the re-use of the control tower once the new one is opened. I understand that the condition of the office building on which the tower rests is in poor condition and would need a reasonable amount of investment if it were to be converted to alternative uses. The two primary uses I have heard discussed are:

1) Refurbish the old building and convert to office space for airport tenants (freeing up space in the terminal buildings) and other third parties, boosing airport property revenues.

2) Remove the building as a precursor project to support the eventual linking of Terminals 1 and 3 and construction of a consolidated departure hall. This would be driven primarily by the need to provide additional capacity in Terminal 3, which could be required if the airport begins to return to the traffic levels experienced during its peak in 2005-06. The particulars of how the terminals could be linked together is something under study at present.

mainMAN · Tue Oct 23, 2012 12:31 pm

http://www.routesonline.com/news/29/...rbus-a340-operation-to-manchester/

Quote:
Pakistani carrier airblue starting 27NOV12 will begin Airbus A340 operation on Islamabad – Manchester service, providing 4 weekly nonstop flights. The A340 is configured in all-Economy Class 328 seats.

Currently the carrier operates Airbus A319/320 aircraft with an intermediate stop in Istanbul Sabiha Gokcen, which will be cancelled when it converts service to nonstop. Schedule:

PA220 ISB1400 – 1900MAN 343 x146
PA221 MAN2100 – 1110+1ISB 343 x146

Has this been discussed before? Not sure. It seems to be a hefty increase in capacity; I wonder how this might affect PK?

boysteve · Tue Oct 23, 2012 4:47 pm

Quoting mainMAN (Reply 16):
Has this been discussed before? Not sure. It seems to be a hefty increase in capacity; I wonder how this might affect PK?

Well there was another thread on here about a month ago reporting that PK were stopping a number of European destinations including MAN but that they would keep OSL for example. It seemed a pretty strange decision in my opinion (stopping MAN) but it was to do with an allinace between PK and TK. Anyway, the story seemed to die away pretty quickly but maybe Airblue sensed blood and is going for the kill!

mainMAN · Sun Oct 28, 2012 12:29 pm

Does anyone have any info as to why yesterday's Monarch flight from Dubrovnik ZB1355 is currently showing as nearly 25 hours late? I'm coming back from DBV next Thursday and serious can't afford such a massive delay! Have ZB been struggling with maintenance this summer?

Quoting boysteve (Reply 17):
Anyway, the story seemed to die away pretty quickly but maybe Airblue sensed blood and is going for the kill!

Hopefully there's room for both. I was recently talking to a bloke in a Pakistani travel agent/general store in Oldham who told me that PA offered a far better product.

Mattuk · Tue Oct 30, 2012 8:00 pm

BA service to/from LGW is to be dropped from the 31/03/2013.

Not sure if either BE or EZY will take up the service from the start of the Summer season?

Luftymatt · Wed Oct 31, 2012 12:01 pm

FR to add 5 new routes out of MAN and a further 2 out of LPL.
Routes out of MAN will be: CFU, KRK, ACE, PFO and Trapani. http://www.thebusinessdesk.com/north...pool-routes.html?news_section=4148
All being added in time for next summers schedule.

[Edited 2012-10-31 05:04:57]

Danfearn77 · Wed Oct 31, 2012 12:56 pm

I expect a few more from none based aircraft too. Nice to see the route count growing

David_itl · Sun Nov 04, 2012 9:11 pm

There's a surprise addition to the list of MAN routes..... it's HKG! No links for bookings but why list it if there's no news forthcoming?

HullCitySpotter · Sun Nov 04, 2012 11:46 pm

Quoting david_itl (Reply 22):
There's a surprise addition to the list of MAN routes..... it's HKG! No links for bookings but why list it if there's no news forthcoming?

On other forums/sites there seems to be murmurs of a CX route. 6 weekly on an A343. Whether this is true or not I don't know, I'm just the messenger on what I've seen elsewhere

Mattuk · Thu Nov 08, 2012 10:37 am

Air Blue has announced a 4 times weekly schedule between MAN and LHE starting on the 27th November.

http://www.airblue.com/index.asp

MAN / LHE 2200 / 1210+1 -23-5-7
LHE / MAN 1330 / 1900 -23-5-7

Flights will be operated on their A340 aircraft.

Danfearn77 · Thu Nov 08, 2012 10:42 am

Nice. Be manic some days then! Isn't that the same day the A340 starts on the ISB route too? Quite short notice it has to be said.

mainMAN · Thu Nov 08, 2012 10:49 am

Sorry folks, LHE is a connection at ISB. It's not a dedicated flight. Have a look at their schedules from 27th Nov.

David_itl · Thu Nov 08, 2012 7:43 pm

TP is talking of launching FNC-MAN and, in quite a rare move for a MAN route, is saying most passengers on it's LIS service are point-to-point so are looking at bumping up frequency to gain more connecting passengers.

And surprising news is that MAN is FR's 2nd biggest UK airport for flights.

David_itl · Tue Nov 13, 2012 10:13 pm

The almost annual story of MAN's wish list has appeared today in the Evening News. Had an idle 30 minutes and trawled this from their archive:

General story in 2011, China story in 2011, Similar campaign in 2010, one from 2009. Nothing in 2008!, 2007, 2006 and lastly 2003

Mattuk · Mon Nov 19, 2012 11:19 pm

The MAN airport arrivals page is listing flight TOM9730P from Seattle (Boeing Field Int'l) scheduled to arrive 06:15 (Due 05:50).

Does anyone know if this is a Dreamliner delivery flight??

neothearmal · Mon Nov 19, 2012 11:22 pm

The 787 is not due till next year. It would probably be a new 737-800

817Dreamliiner · Mon Nov 19, 2012 11:30 pm

Volga-Dnepr had an Antonov An-124 at MAN yesterday managed to catch a few pics of it when it departed:

P1000097 by 817Dreamliiner, on Flickr

P1000100 by 817Dreamliiner, on Flickr

P1000140 by 817Dreamliiner, on Flickr

P1000142 by 817Dreamliiner, on Flickr

P1000143 by 817Dreamliiner, on Flickr

P1000144 by 817Dreamliiner, on Flickr

Also caught others and are on my flickr page: http://www.flickr.com/photos/817dreamliiner/

I think this was my best shot of the day:

P1000210 by 817Dreamliiner, on Flickr

Eagleboy · Mon Nov 19, 2012 11:39 pm

Quoting Mattuk (Reply 29):
Does anyone know if this is a Dreamliner delivery flight??

Quoting neothearmal (Reply 30):
The 787 is not due till next year. It would probably be a new 737-800

And I would hazard a guess that the delivery flight number on that occasion might be TOM787P

MANmatt · Tue Nov 20, 2012 12:24 am

Quoting Mattuk (Reply 29):
The MAN airport arrivals page is listing flight TOM9730P from Seattle (Boeing Field Int'l) scheduled to arrive 06:15 (Due 05:50).

Does anyone know if this is a Dreamliner delivery flight??

It's G-TAWK, their latest B737-800. 1st B787 is due in January next year with one each in Feb and March also.

dazbo5 · Tue Nov 20, 2012 8:35 am

Quoting Mattuk (Reply 29):
Does anyone know if this is a Dreamliner delivery flight??

Quoting neothearmal (Reply 30):

The 787 is not due till next year. It would probably be a new 737-800

It's a Boeing 737-800 (G-TAWK) in the Dreamliner livery.

Darren

Mattuk · Tue Nov 20, 2012 9:30 am

EZY have announced another based aircraft for MAN this morning.

New routes to Moscow (4 weekly), Prague and Thessaloniki.

http://menmedia.co.uk/manchestereven...irect-to-moscow-and-prague?rss=yes

mainMAN · Tue Nov 20, 2012 5:10 pm

Quoting Mattuk (Reply 35):
New routes to Moscow (4 weekly)

MAN really is becoming a linchpin of U2's network, and v.v. Flights will be to DME, which is good because it's well served by rail to central Moscow.

David_itl · Tue Nov 20, 2012 7:13 pm

Pity no-one checked and saw Aeroflot flew to Moscow for 10 years or so from 1987. You'd have thought that whilst twiddling their thumbs waiting for the annual wish list rehash story they would help airlines not make basic errors like that.

BlueShamu330s · Tue Nov 20, 2012 7:48 pm

It was a pseudo-charter operation though, where you could only book via aeroflot themselves and get hand written tickets from them (have one myself).

Not sure if it was a true scheduled service for that reason.

Happy to be corrected.

Still, nice to be the only airport outside of London to link Russia with the UK, and fantastic to see easyjet reaffirming MAN as their northwest airport of choice.

Rgds

mainMAN · Wed Nov 28, 2012 9:35 am

Lufthansa going from strength to strength, including MAN - TXL

http://www.thebusinessdesk.com/north...ufthansa.html?news_section=273985#

Quote:
The airline’s new Manchester-Berlin route, which has been operational for less than six months, is also performing well, with 85-90% of traffic for leisure and the remainder being business travel for the point to point route, which is a popular conference and exhibition centre.

David_itl · Sat Dec 01, 2012 12:19 pm

This comment put forward by the Northern Economic Futures Commission popped up in the Independent earlier this week in which MAN is proposed as the 2nd hub for the UK. Alas, with the mix and match of airlines it will be a tad difficult to organise; further refinement of the BE domestic hubbing may have to come first which can then allow prospective new long-haul routes to garner further feed - it would also need more commercial agreements to be sought by BE and those airlines . It would also necessitate some spending on boosting terminal facilitie and capacity. T1 is the most pressing to upgrade but I don't know if it's better to look at T2 and T3 first to maximse their potential as it may be easier to temporarily displace airlines there whilst T1 is upgraded.

LGWflyer · Sat Dec 01, 2012 2:45 pm

Quoting 817Dreamliiner (Reply 31):
Volga-Dnepr had an Antonov An-124 at MAN yesterday managed to catch a few pics of it when it departed:

Quoting 817Dreamliiner (Reply 31):
I think this was my best shot of the day:

Some great pics, thanks for sharing!

817Dreamliiner · Sat Dec 01, 2012 2:50 pm

Quoting LGWflyer (Reply 41):

Some great pics, thanks for sharing!

Thanks alot!

boysteve · Sun Dec 02, 2012 10:25 am

I see that EK017 (DXB - MAN) is diverted today to MUC 'due to operational reasons'. Flightradar24 shows that it left DXB via a normal route up over Baghdad heading NNW towards Eastern Turkey. It got to within 30kms of Turkish airspace when it then did an about turn and headed SW and over Central Syria, Cyprus, Greek Islands. It is now over Bosnia (10:15GMT, 11:15CET). Looking at the route on flight radar it seems to have been denied permission to enter Turkish airspace and had to skirt round the South of Turkey, has it Syrian diplomats on board perhaps?
Anyway, this substantial diversion has obviously meant a fuel shortage and hence the stop at MUC.

David_itl · Wed Dec 05, 2012 9:35 pm

Around 10 diversions away from MAN today - temperatures dipped quite suddenly around 6am, with the airporrt closed to inbound traffic from around 7.30 to 8.30 with departures having started about 8.15 whilst they deiced the runways and taxiways.

BigOrange · Wed Dec 05, 2012 11:31 pm

Quoting david_itl (Reply 44):

Around 10 diversions away from MAN today - temperatures dipped quite suddenly around 6am, with the airporrt closed to inbound traffic from around 7.30 to 8.30 with departures having started about 8.15 whilst they deiced the runways and taxiways.

Nice to see MAN as organized as ever.!

David_itl · Sat Dec 08, 2012 10:11 pm

At long last, the details of the U2 service to Moscow are available:

Sundays & Wednesdays:
EZY1871 MAN 0740 DME 1435
EZY1872 DME 1515 MAN 1625

Mondays & Thursdays:
EZY1873 MAN 1340 DME 2035
EZY1874 DME 2115 MAN 2225

One-way fares seems to be starting around the £40 to £50 level

mainMAN · Sat Dec 08, 2012 11:29 pm

[quote=bigorange,reply=45]Nice to see MAN as organized as ever.![/quot

MAN is as organised as any other UK airport, in so far as it can only respond to local weather conditions when and as they occur. In a maritime climate like ours, freezing conditions can be very localised and often very hard to predict. Last week Heathrow had problems, this week Manchester did.

David_itl · Tue Dec 11, 2012 6:54 pm

Rarish div from LHR expected - a SK A321. Fog at LHR but most getting in, though a few divs gone to Europe!

Danfearn77 · Sat Dec 15, 2012 12:49 pm

DL have confirmed the ATL route to be upgraded to the A332 from the 30th March.

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