MAN News 47

LJ · Sat Dec 15, 2012 6:47 pm

Manchester will get a direct link with Den Helder (DHR) as one of FlyBe's Manchester - Norwich will be extended to Den Helder as of March 4th.

LN-KGL · Sat Dec 15, 2012 7:45 pm

LJ, I would say it's a one-stop link. A flight in to DHR is perfect if want to take the Dokter Wagemaker or the old school Schulpengat to let's say visit the Texel Airshow or just have something to eat at Tessels Kwartier, den Burg.

David_itl · Sun Dec 16, 2012 6:31 pm

LH 747 on it's way to MAN - should be here around 7.45pm. Going to Air Livery as it' been stated that they've got the contract now with the LH Hamburg paint facility closed

BlueShamu330s · Sun Dec 16, 2012 6:47 pm

Quoting david_itl (Reply 52):
LH 747 on it's way to MAN - should be here around 7.45pm. Going to Air Livery as it' been stated that they've got the contract now with the LH Hamburg paint facility closed

D-ABVZ, should be on the ground around 1930 as it's just steaming past Brugge.

First of many.

Rgds

LN-KGL · Sun Dec 16, 2012 6:48 pm

I suppose it's D-ABVZ (DLH9922) that is now crossing over from Brugge david_itl

Edit: Victor Zulu is now parked at stand 86

[Edited 2012-12-16 11:47:46]

David_itl · Sun Dec 16, 2012 10:48 pm

TP schedule for the summer has been revealed: 10 weekly all to LIS. Now can MAN still say this is an under-served route?

LN-KGL · Sun Dec 16, 2012 11:35 pm

With 6 weekly A320, 3 weekly F100 and 1 weekly A321 LIS may well be off the list of underserved destinations.

lisbonbearuk · Mon Dec 17, 2012 2:27 pm

I'd be interested to know if TP are feeding passengers through Manchester onto other STAR carriers like SK, who don't serve LIS directly. Any ideas those in the know?

Also, on which day will the A321 be dropping in?

BlueShamu330s · Mon Dec 17, 2012 2:36 pm

Quoting lisbonbearuk (Reply 57):
Also, on which day will the A321 be dropping in?

Sundays.

Rgds

Danfearn77 · Mon Dec 17, 2012 2:36 pm

I believe Sunday is the day that the A321 will operate for TP. Could be wrong though.

hohd · Mon Dec 17, 2012 3:50 pm

For all talk of about expansion at MAN, is there any future for routes to India, especially DEL. The gulf carriers have cornered the market, but no airline in either India or UK (or a SE Asia airline with stopover service) are willing to take the plunge.

Cipango · Tue Dec 18, 2012 12:32 am

Quoting hohd (Reply 60):
For all talk of about expansion at MAN, is there any future for routes to India, especially DEL. The gulf carriers have cornered the market, but no airline in either India or UK (or a SE Asia airline with stopover service) are willing to take the plunge.

Manchester has a very large Indian population, and even though the gulf carriers offer many indirect flights, I do think MAN can support a direct flight to DEL or BOM on 9W or AI.

AI 787's might even be a good candidate for the route.

mpsrent · Tue Dec 18, 2012 5:24 pm

Unfortunately MAN didn't get selected for the launch of Air Canada's new low cost leisure carrier "Rouge".

http://www.aircanada.com/en/about/rouge.html

I'd love to see more YYZ-MAN options so hopefully if this "rouge" venture does well it will lead to expansion in MAN.

sk736 · Thu Dec 20, 2012 10:13 pm

Quoting Danfearn77 (Reply 49):
DL have confirmed the ATL route to be upgraded to the A332 from the 30th March.

Excellent news! My business will always go to an airline that offers 2-3-2 or 2-4-2 rather than the dreaded 3-3 arrangement on a 757!

gkirk · Tue Dec 25, 2012 11:31 am

EgyptAir starting 5 x weekly MAN-CAI with 738s apparently

Cipango · Wed Dec 26, 2012 10:05 am

Quoting gkirk (Reply 64):
EgyptAir starting 5 x weekly MAN-CAI with 738s apparently

Starting June 1st Apparently.

Not one I saw coming but Egyptair has a decent amount of Connecting Traffic from CAI so this may do quite well.

Anyone know what Terminal it will use? My guess would be T1.

David_itl · Wed Dec 26, 2012 10:59 am

Another of the Star Alliance carriers joining the party.

Europe:
Lufthansa, Turkish Airlines, Air Portugal, Swiss, SAS, Brussels Airlines, Adria

Asia:
Singapore Airlines

Africa:
Egyptair

North America:
United, USAirways.

If you were looking for "obvious" addtions to that list, it would probably be an additional Asian carrier (Air China). If we were looking for Air Canada then it should really have been revealed in the portfolio of routes their new subsidiary announced before Christmas.
Garnering another African carrier or going for a South American one is probably not doable for around the next 5 years or so at least , which means that all we can realistically expect is for tinkering of the Star Alliance schedule (bumping up frequency or capacity for the most part, and in SQ's case the de-linking of MAN-MUC-SIN as I'm bit intrigued by the suggestion that the MAN-SIN sector outperforms MUC-SIN despite the inconvenience of the one-stop strategy.)

David_itl · Wed Dec 26, 2012 11:39 am

Having a play around the November provisional passenger statistics - there are 115 scheduled international routes altogether. From that 4 routes were discontinued, 22 are new routes, 59 show increases over November 2011 and 29 show decreases from November 2011.

3 of the more pleasing increases:

Stuttgart - go from Lufthansa to Germanwing and the passenger numbers leapt from 1200 to 3200. I wonder what the impact LH transferring more routes to them will be.
Keflavik - Icelandair from 2200 to 3700 passengers. Did the easyJet announcement lead to more people look for trips there and found this route already exists?
Basle - from the Swiss having 2700 passengers to easyJet having 4600

col · Wed Dec 26, 2012 1:22 pm

SQ looks like they are reducing 380 flights to LHR to two per day, knocking off the morning SIN departure. It is being replaced by a 77W, my favorite ...NOT.

SQ are upgrading the older 772ER, which I hope one ends up on the MAN route. Anyway off to gate to get on board the SIN-MAN flight, a lovely 77W via that pain of a stop in MUC.

BMED · Wed Dec 26, 2012 1:51 pm

Manchester always seems to appear very steady with their growth of routes and airlines. Just a shame that Bournemouth airport within the MAG group hasn't done well since the investment within the new terminal. Does anyone know how flybe has got on since they launched a while back MAN as been their "connecting airport" and opened up extra routes due to the schedule changes?

David_itl · Wed Dec 26, 2012 1:55 pm

Joke article about EK/QF link-up:

BHX is labelled a London airport
GLA is labelled hub airport for the north of Britain
MAN dismissed with a line about BE's hub letting you shuttle to the UK's regions . Hang on.. that can't be right as GLA is the northern hub? No mention of the frequency (the only UK airport that doesn't get that mentioned) nor the A380 operation.

David_itl · Sat Dec 29, 2012 12:10 am

MAN-CAI now showing on the timetable section of the MAN website. One day the route may be officially revealed.... but knowing MAN, they won't market that route instead preferring to highlight the not-needed LHR link by VS.

by738 · Sat Dec 29, 2012 12:22 am

Seems its appeared elsewhere earlier
http://worldairlinenews.com/2012/12/...to-manchester-and-toronto-in-june/

David_itl · Sun Dec 30, 2012 8:02 pm

Prices start at £379 return - I did a dummy booking on Expedia

David_itl · Wed Jan 02, 2013 7:46 pm

MS now bookable on thier website. Slowest route launch ever?

lisbonbearuk · Wed Jan 02, 2013 9:56 pm

Sounds like a Biman...I'll be surprised if it comes off.

ThomasCook · Thu Jan 03, 2013 1:04 am

Hi,

What is the story with US Airways today? I see they have had what is seemingly a ferry flight (US9010) which arrived just after midnight to pickup the US735 back to PHL. Was it was renumbered so as not to conflict with tomorrows flight or did it ferry? Anyway that was scheduled to depart back to PHL at 2145 but has been rescheduled to 0300 per flightstats and 0800 on MAN FIDS.

Any info?

Thanks
ThomasCook

Mattuk · Thu Jan 03, 2013 10:11 am

EY reporting strong performance at MAN

http://menmedia.co.uk/manchestereven...tihad-airways-top-ten-destinations

David_itl · Mon Jan 07, 2013 9:44 pm

2 weeks after the schedule was revealed, we finally have the MS press release.

spiplane · Mon Jan 14, 2013 10:28 am

Noticed that last Sunday (13th of January) there were 3 Eastern Airways flights from Aberdeen scheduled within the hour. Any specific reason for this?

Cheers, Paul

rutankrd · Mon Jan 14, 2013 10:56 am

Quoting spiplane (Reply 79):
Noticed that last Sunday (13th of January) there were 3 Eastern Airways flights from Aberdeen scheduled within the hour. Any specific reason for this?

Cheers, Paul

Football match related (Small contest between the regional red shirted mino's i am lead to believe !) in addition there were visits by an Aer Lingus A321, CityJet Avro, Jettime 737 several Bizjets including two carrying Moroccan tail numbers. Oh and a FLYBE [that normally operates between Bergen and Aberdeen] had an excursion arranged from and to Stavanger as well.

David_itl · Tue Jan 15, 2013 10:48 pm

December's provisional passenger stats are out:

The two main connecting hubs:

MAN-LHR = 60179 pax (down 9.7%). I have ignored the small number of charter passengers
MAN-DXB = 63331 pax (up 14.8%)

Transatlantically, it's not too bad at all given the state of both the US and UK economies and the high APD in force:

PHL 12851 -05.14%
ATL 09592 +03.30%
JFK 09564 +11.11%
EWR 09286 -05.51%
ORD 08556 +34.89%
IAD 05529 n/a

the 3 leisue-orientated routes
MCO 24078 -03.66%
LAS 03810 +01.44%
SFB 02432 +93.48%

Elsewhere....
marginal increases for SQ and EY with QR dipping sharply due to less flights.

Air Blue's use the of A340 has seen a big rise in numbers to Islamabad (up 23%) and Turkish delight in 40% increase to Istanbul. TP also saw an enormous increase (over 60% to 5000 )

Encouraging to see the BE operated services for Finnair doing well - nice 11% increase. All routes to Germany that still run showed an increase bar Hannover... and to be honest, how significant is a loss of 8 passengers on that route in the whole month!

Stragglers.... the Antwerp route came with just 805 passengers; hopefully all filling the pointy end of the ERJ135! Spain tanked rather like thier economy. Zurich still suffering from the lack of easyJet ops (down 21%)

And here's a nice comparison for Tripoli:
GATWICK 1879 pax
HEATHROW 1797 pax
MANCHESTER 1743 pax

mainMAN · Tue Jan 15, 2013 11:22 pm

Quoting david_itl (Reply 81):

PHL 12851 -05.14%
ATL 09592 +03.30%
JFK 09564 +11.11%
EWR 09286 -05.51%
ORD 08556 +34.89%
IAD 05529 n/a

In January, UA to IAD operates 4 days a week ( I don't know about December), so 5529 is encouraging.

I've been periodically looking at fares to New York, and KL and AF are consistently cheaper - at least they were when I looked throughout most of 2012. This probably reflects ADP, and the challenges of making transatlantic 757s pay. Direct flights often came out at 150 quid more expensive......so, these figures look pretty good!

At the moment, DL operate 5 days a week (I didn't know that, but I just checked). I'm assuming they've been using a 763 to ATL?

US, the stalwart of MAN - North America. Daily throughout the winter, and an average of 207 punters per rotation.

David_itl · Wed Jan 16, 2013 7:19 pm

Snow ahead - 5 inches forecast for Greater Manchester on Friday. Expect delays and the airport to be closed for a large stretch of time

rutankrd · Sat Jan 19, 2013 3:51 pm

Aegean are expected to join the merry band of *A scheduled carriers this summer (Previous operations were summer charters and these continue)

Scheduled

Aegean are showing Athens-Manchester- Athens
Flight No A3638/A3639 operated by A320

Mon and Sat Arrive Man 2020 Dep 21.05

Commences 25/5 through to 26/9 in current timetable

Yet another addition to the *A focus!

Mattuk · Sun Jan 20, 2013 8:51 pm

A lot of weather diversions in tonight. So far there has been:

LH3420 Berlin
BA555 Rome
LX424 Zurich
BA899 Tripoli
BA198 Mumbai
BE434 Hannover
SK2535 Copenhagen
BE3XY Lleida
EK37 Dubai

David_itl · Sun Jan 20, 2013 9:18 pm

Strike out EK37 and BA198 - they made it to BHX and LHR respectively. EK held for around an hour!

David_itl · Sun Jan 20, 2013 9:37 pm

MAG has bought STN for £1.5 billion with the shareholdings now 35.5% Industry Funds Management of Australia, 35.5% Manchester City Council and the remaining 29% split equally by the other 9 Greater Manchester Councils. Using the standard cost per proft ratio, it's a better deal than it would seem on the face of it.

Manchester Evening News Q+A

AmricanShamrok · Thu Jan 24, 2013 6:08 pm

PK are to transfer the PK711 (KHI-LHE-MAN-JFK), PK721 (KHI-LHE-MAN-JFK) and PK723 (LHE-MAN-JFK) flights to SNN as rumoured:

http://www.piac.aero/cms/tenders/1783_Tender%20for%20SNN.pdf
(not an official press release but as good as!)

faddypainter · Fri Jan 25, 2013 7:03 pm

Is there a problem at MAN atm? A number of a/c holding and Air Malta 319 and Air France 320 appear to be heading south possible BHX. EK and LX still holding.

rutankrd · Fri Jan 25, 2013 7:07 pm

Snow flakes falling !

icelander · Sat Jan 26, 2013 2:15 pm

This is probably not the right place to ask, but I am hoping (considering the thread topic) that someone here might have the info I am looking for.

I am missing two regs from my flight history, both connected to MAN. Does anyone know where I might possibly find the info?

12.7.2001 23:00 KEF-MAN, FI 440 (landed 13.7, around 2:30 am)
22.7.2001 14:45 MAN-KEF, FI 441

Thanks,
Mark.

rutankrd · Sat Jan 26, 2013 2:24 pm

Quoting icelander (Reply 91):
12.7.2001 23:00 KEF-MAN, FI 440 (landed 13.7, around 2:30 am)
22.7.2001 14:45 MAN-KEF, FI 441

Thanks,
Mark.

Contact the author of this site they will almost certainly have the answer

http://www.ringwaypublications.com/movements/

icelander · Sat Jan 26, 2013 4:13 pm

Quoting rutankrd (Reply 92):
Contact the author of this site they will almost certainly have the answer

http://www.ringwaypublications.com/m...ents/

Thankyou rutankrd!!!! and also a big THANKYOU to the great guy(s) at Ringway Publications.

Regards,
Mark.

Luftymatt · Sun Jan 27, 2013 11:09 am

I heard from a friend who works at the airport, that CX cargo will be using a 748 on at least once a week from April. Possibly a Wednesday, but I'm not too sure on the day.

Ant72LBA · Mon Jan 28, 2013 12:57 pm

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-21221828

HS2 coming to MAN. Route a little different to what some websites had been speculating.

Boeing74741R · Mon Jan 28, 2013 1:17 pm

Quoting Ant72LBA (Reply 95):

More specifically, the HS2 station will be located between Junctions 5 and 6 of the M56 on the other side of the motorway with the access road being near where the Travelodge and Premier Inn is now...

https://www.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/69079/hs2-msg-ma0-zz-dr-rt-52805.pdf

My next question is how will the station be connected with the existing rail station and terminal buildings? It's too far from even Terminal 2 to put in a walkway as per the existing station and I can't see buses being a reliable means of connectivity, so I wonder whether a monorail or a Maglev/cable car as per the one at BHX linking the terminal building with Birmingham International station and the NEC will be built instead? It would be a good opportunity to link Teminal 3 up with the rest of the airport again after the redevelopment of T1 has forced passengers to walk outside to get to/from T3.

I also see that the Marriott is right in the middle of the route serving MAN, so that will be demolished once construction starts.

[Edited 2013-01-28 05:20:46]

[Edited 2013-01-28 05:21:25]

boysteve · Tue Jan 29, 2013 11:28 pm

Yeah the location is a bit weird, but I guess with Airport City being built and allowing for car parking areas there not be much space closer to the terminals, unless of course they built it underground. Actually it's a bit crap, I have been to both Lyon and Frankfurt high speed railway stations and they are less than 5 minutes walk from the main terminal area and allow rail passengers to change between high speed and local services at the same location (Rhone tram in the case of LYS).
Looking at Google Earth and allowing for Airport City plans I think the only location that would make better sense for the station would be on the North Side of the existing station in a cut and cover box running east/west from terminal 2 to Outwood Lane in front of the Hilton hotel, but it probably adds to the station costs as well as adds another 2 miles of bored tunnel to the project. Woo I should be a civil engineer

spiplane · Fri Feb 01, 2013 4:41 pm

This morning I saw the F50 of the new Belgian airline Vizion Air arrive an Manchester. Presumably a charter flight, any details known?

Paul

rutankrd · Fri Feb 01, 2013 4:55 pm

Quoting spiplane (Reply 98):
This morning I saw the F50 of the new Belgian airline Vizion Air arrive an Manchester. Presumably a charter flight, any details known?

Its operating for Aurigny on the Guernsey flights

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