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Quoting OOer (Reply 7): There is no reason maintenance work on an airplane registered in the US not to have the maintenance done in the US. |
Quoting CO777DAL (Thread starter): Maintenance for AA says it could be from outsourcing. Something doesn't seem right here... |
Quoting 1337Delta764 (Reply 13): Interestingly, the new 757 seats are a customized version of the Weber 5751 designed by Weber for AA. Strangely, the new config 738s, which use the same model of seat, are not affected. Perhaps the tracks on the 738 are different than those on the 752. |
Quoting thegoldenargosy (Reply 10): The union seems to forget they caused the crAAsh of Flight 191 at O'Hare. I love hearing all this crAAp about out sourced work. |
Quoting spiritair97 (Reply 4): |
Quoting thegoldenargosy (Reply 10): The union seems to forget they caused the crAAsh of Flight 191 at O'Hare. I love hearing all this crAAp about out sourced work. |
Quoting strfyr51 (Reply 17): And Pray Tell?? Just How would the mechanics have noticed this problem without a cabin Service Check Looking for that problem?? It's pretty Obvious You're Not a MECHANIC. Even at United where we outsource a LOT. If a vendor does something Shady or incorrectly as they do once in a great while , unless the problem is brought to light on a later inspection we would have NO WAY of knowing as none of us can See the outsourced work package to know WHAT the Vendors were working on. It's not OUR problem until it's reported where we have 2 choices, FIX it?? Or, route he airplane BACK to the vendor to rework what they screwed up in the first place.. And? That's not up TO the mechanic but senior management. The best We as mechanics can do is Drop a Dime to he FAA. But in even THAT a Mechanic could lose his Job so it's a crap shoot either way. |
Quoting danielkandi (Reply 20): couldn't be bothered to read all of this, so sry if mentioned before... I just love how Fox always try to sensationalize "small" problems. I know it's unsafe, but still. And also interesting that they don't know their models at all... In the video "AA responds to seat problems" the 4m 30s video, a 737 with winglets is shown when they mention "it was on a plane like the model you see here bla bla.... Always so illinformed. |
Quoting pvjin (Reply 18): No, that was caused by the management who told maintenance personnel to use faulty procedures. |
Quoting OOer (Reply 7): What do you expect when you have a bunch of people who are NOT FAA certified to do maintenance work...do maintenance work? |
Quoting T prop (Reply 16): So by your faulty logic when a plane crashes due to pilot error |
Quoting bueb0g (Reply 24): AA 191 was due to pilot error... You learn something new every day! (Are you getting confused with the A300?) |
Quote: AA 191 was due to pilot error |
Quoting milesrich (Reply 2): American says its a problem with a type of seat |
Quoting milesrich (Reply 2): If management is correct, then the Union was no better at spotting a design defect in the seat than was the contractor. |
Quoting ltbewr (Reply 3): There could be several issues here. The fasteners are faulty, flawed or not up to specifications |
Quoting 1337Delta764 (Reply 13): . Perhaps the tracks on the 738 are different than those on the 752. |
Quoting bueb0g (Reply 24): AA 191 was due to pilot error... |
Quoting thegoldenargosy (Reply 10): The union seems to forget they caused the crAAsh of Flight 191 at O'Hare. I love hearing all this crAAp about out sourced work |
Quoting TrnsWrld (Reply 29): |
Quoting ckfred (Reply 32): You couldn't pay me to fly anyone but AA. A friend of mine is an AA pilot, and he still believes that AA takes better care of its airplanes than any other airline. |
Quoting ltbewr (Reply 3): The fasteners are faulty, flawed or not up to specifications |
Quoting ckfred (Reply 32): You couldn't pay me to fly anyone but AA. A friend of mine is an AA pilot, and he still believes that AA takes better care of its airplanes than any other airline. |
Quoting windy95 (Reply 28): Do you know how a seat is installed? |
Quoting tonytifao (Reply 34): Really? All of a sudden seats become unsecured???? hummm. multiple flights within a week? |
Quoting soon7x7 (Reply 36): it's probably some disgrunteled employees |
Quoting timaay419 (Reply 26): Ouch! |
Quoting soon7x7 (Reply 36): Did anyone check Ahmadinejads pockets for seat anchors? |
Quoting XFSUgimpLB41X (Reply 38): I'm sure they can find a way to blame this on the pilots, too. |
Quoting XFSUgimpLB41X (Reply 38): |
Quoting foxecho (Reply 6): Sounds like the Unions tactics are going to start hurting people....... |
Quoting thegoldenargosy (Reply 10): The union seems to forget they caused the crAAsh of Flight 191 at O'Hare. |
Quoting pvjin (Reply 18): No, that was caused by the management who told maintenance personnel to use faulty procedures. |
Quoting PHX787 (Reply 23): How do you tell them to intentionally use procedures that don't work? |
Quoting charlienorth (Reply 30): The procedure they used was based on AA and FAA approved procedures. |
Quoting soon7x7 (Reply 41): Outsourcing itself may contribute to angst among employees/management. Has before... |
Quoting spiritair97 (Reply 4): I was gonna say....even if it was the contractors' fault, the mechanics should have noticed it. |
Quoting stratosphere (Reply 22): It's not just FOX all the news networks pretty much get it wrong..Kind of amazes me that they most of them do not have have a real expert on staff that know a/c and aviation since aviation can be so newsworthy especially in an incident or accident. Cracks me up when I will pick on FOX for now they go to Jon Scott who has a private pilots license as their expert. But to be fair they all do it. |
Quoting bueb0g (Reply 24): AA 191 was due to pilot error... You learn something new every day! (Are you getting confused with the A300?) |
Quoting TrnsWrld (Reply 29): I hope your joking man!! AA191 crashed due to pilot error? really? Im not even going to get into the details about that crash. Very sad that an aviation enthusiast on these forums would even say that. You know damn well what caused that crashed. |
Quoting OOer (Reply 7): What do you expect when you have a bunch of people who are NOT FAA certified to do maintenance work...do maintenance work? There is no reason maintenance work on an airplane registered in the US not to have the maintenance done in the US. |
Quoting qqflyboy (Reply 15): Who is doing the work on MCE? AA maintenance, or TIMCO? |
Quoting pvjin (Reply 18): No, that was caused by the management who told maintenance personnel to use faulty procedures. |
Quoting 737tdi (Reply 21): Dang, what is it that y'all don't understand about aircraft maintenance? I am a line mech. who flies all over to fix out of service aircraft, my mother and father fly, my friends fly, YOU fly. There is not a conspiracy here. The statements some of y'all are making is that mechanics are criminals/murderers. Stop it already. You are stepping on my toes and my fellow mechanics toes. Unions do not control our dedication to our craft. Never, ever. If it got bad enough I and all of us would just quit and go work somewhere else. I don't work for AA but if I did I would do my job exactly as specified by the maintenance manual and company procedures. I have also worked at MROs. They do try to do things as cheap as possible, BUT they (the two I worked at) would never compromise the airworthiness of the aircraft or the safety of the folks flying on that aircraft. As I said in another post, I've been in aircraft maintenance for 32 years. I have never seen a shortcut taken that would sacrifice safety. This is NOT a situation of sabotage. |
Quoting bueb0g (Reply 24): AA 191 was due to pilot error... You learn something new every day! (Are you getting confused with the A300?) |
Quoting windy95 (Reply 28): Seat track is uniform. |
Quoting charlienorth (Reply 30): The procedure they used was based on AA and FAA approved procedures. |
Quoting ckfred (Reply 32): You couldn't pay me to fly anyone but AA. A friend of mine is an AA pilot, and he still believes that AA takes better care of its airplanes than any other airline. |
Quoting tonytifao (Reply 34): Really? All of a sudden seats become unsecured???? hummm. multiple flights within a week? There have been multiple 757s (at least 20 prior to june) and none reported prior to all this AA operational nonsense. We have seen in all industries and it only takes one pissed off person to do the damage. |
Quoting XFSUgimpLB41X (Reply 38): I'm sure they can find a way to blame this on the pilots, too. |
Quoting flyhossd (Reply 42): He said "faulty." There is a difference. AA (and other DC-10 operators) chose to change engines with the mount/strut/pylon already attached. When this assembly was bumped - it caused the pylon/mount to crack which lead to the strut's failure and the engine fell off the wing during take off. |
Quoting flyhossd (Reply 42): It was not approved by the manufacturer (Douglas) and after the accident, AA's procedure was changed to the more labor intensive method specified by Douglas. From the "Probable Cause:" "...deficiencies in FAA surveillance and reporting systems which failed to detect and prevent the use of improper maintenance procedures..." |
Quoting N737AA (Reply 49): Actually the forklift bled down causing it to prestress the fitting and then it was hit causing more damage. Both were contributing factors. Its all in the report. |
Quote: “Overnight, a group of engineers, tech crew chiefs and inspectors from American’s Tulsa Maintenance Base evaluated airplanes at New York’s John F. Kennedy Airport while other airplanes were inspected at other facilities around the country. Originally, American planned to evaluate the seats on eight Boeing 757 airplanes, but out of an abundance of caution, the decision was made to proactively evaluate a total of 47 Boeing 757 airplanes that have the same model Main Cabin seats with a common locking mechanism. Thirty-six airplanes were evaluated by maintenance personnel overnight and another 11 airplanes will be evaluated to finish the inspection. American’s internal investigation has focused on one of three types of Main Cabin seats on the 757s and how the rows of these three seats fit into the track that is used to secure the rows to the floor of the airplanes. Our maintenance and engineering teams have discovered that the root cause is a saddle clamp improperly installed on the foot of the row leg. These clamps were used on only 47 of our 102 Boeing 757 airplanes.” Huguley says the issue “does not seem to be tied to any one maintenance facility or one workgroup. The FAA is aware of our internal review and its findings, as well as the steps we are taking to proactively address the issue. We continue to work closely with the FAA.” She adds: “American regrets the inconvenience that this maintenance issue may have caused customers on affected flights. Safety is – and always will be – American’s top concern.” |