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RE: United To Add 3rd Daily IAH Flight To LHR In 2013

Sat Oct 06, 2012 7:10 pm

Quoting AVENSAB727 (Reply 49):

But why is LHR going entirely 763? A lot of people on the forum on Houston Spotters are not happy with this and are saying that IAH is not recieving any benefit from the merger. I know that these changes are cross fleeting. And they say UNITED is screwing Houston long term.

Tell them ORD-LHR is also 3 daily 763.
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RE: United To Add 3rd Daily IAH Flight To LHR In 2013

Sat Oct 06, 2012 7:28 pm

Quoting shanderawx (Reply 5):
Why didn't CDG get the extra flight (or have it returned)? With over 80 French geophysical companies in Houston, the French presence at very educated and professional levels here is high. At one time, before Emirates, Qatar, AF/UA had a total of 4 flights to CDG daily, now down to 6 a week, all on AF.

You've answered your own question, demand for IAG - CDG has fallen from 28 flights/week to 6. Why would UA waste money on adding in extra flights ?
 
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RE: United To Add 3rd Daily IAH Flight To LHR In 2013

Sat Oct 06, 2012 7:47 pm

Quoting AVENSAB727 (Reply 42):
Some people are complaining that these changes are not good for IAH, they say IAH is being screwed.

Then EWR is really being screwed w/4x752 to LHR. Nutty really.


So no one knows where the slot came from?
 
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RE: United To Add 3rd Daily IAH Flight To LHR In 2013

Sat Oct 06, 2012 8:56 pm

I hope these reconned 763s have winglets.
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RE: United To Add 3rd Daily IAH Flight To LHR In 2013

Sat Oct 06, 2012 9:02 pm

Quoting AVENSAB727 (Reply 53):

I hope these reconned 763s have winglets.

They do... along with new overhead bins, new seats and AVOD nose to tail.
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RE: United To Add 3rd Daily IAH Flight To LHR In 2013

Sat Oct 06, 2012 9:58 pm

I bet more capacity increases will occur at IAH.
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RE: United To Add 3rd Daily IAH Flight To LHR In 2013

Sat Oct 06, 2012 10:03 pm

What's all the bellyaching for? It's a capacity increase and the difference between a UA 777 and a UA 763 isn't as drastic as an AA 777 and a AA 763.
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RE: United To Add 3rd Daily IAH Flight To LHR In 2013

Sat Oct 06, 2012 10:03 pm

Quoting STT757 (Reply 36):
These are the newly reconfigured two class 767-300s that have the new lie flat business first seats, huge avod screens throughout and 777 style interiors. They have the same interiors as the 764. The oldest is from 1998, the newest are from 2001. This is a great product. I just flew HNL-EWR in a simarly reconfigured 764,10 hrs in economy, the AVOD system made the flight "fly". I see this as an upgrade as they are going to 3x daily vs 2 daily, again it's about more choices.

You can try to sell the UA 767 as a "junior 777" but its still not the big Texas sized 777. I like those BIG GE 90 engines. Texas is about BIG not smaller. They have longhorn cattle not "shorthorn" cattle.

Quoting david_itl (Reply 38):
Quoting jfk777 (Reply 35):DO BA, Virgin, Cathay, JAL, Qantas, Singapore Airlines, ANA, TAM, Emirates, Ethihad, Qatar or Air Canada fly 757 to LHR ?
None of them have 757s in their fleet. AC flies A319s into LHR. Your point?



Any one wanting to build a "world class international airline " today uses the example of Cathay and Singapore, that the way its is today, I didn't make the rules. When Emirates started where did they go to find out how to build their airline ? Singapore.

Air Canada uses A319 from Halifax or St. Johns NOT Toronto, Calgary or Vancouver. Washington and Halifaz are not the same category city, Dulles is the biggest International airport between JFK and Miami( Atlanta doesn't have as many international airlines and no Middle East airlines so its smaller in airlines and perhaps by international traffic).
 
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RE: United To Add 3rd Daily IAH Flight To LHR In 2013

Sat Oct 06, 2012 10:14 pm

Quoting jfk777 (Reply 57):

The 777 will still be at IAH for HNL and NRT.
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RE: United To Add 3rd Daily IAH Flight To LHR In 2013

Sat Oct 06, 2012 10:34 pm

Quoting STT757 (Reply 36):
These are the newly reconfigured two class 767-300s that have the new lie flat business first seats, huge avod screens throughout and 777 style interiors. They have the same interiors as the 764. The oldest is from 1998, the newest are from 2001. This is a great product.

To be even clearer, the 767 and 777 are totally indistinguishable other than 2 less seats across.

Quoting AVENSAB727 (Reply 49):
they say UNITED is screwing Houston long term.

Why? Because they now have more choice which is better for Houston businesses?  
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RE: United To Add 3rd Daily IAH Flight To LHR In 2013

Sat Oct 06, 2012 10:41 pm

Roughly 95% of the flying public could care less the a/c type they fly on. They are focused on price, price and a little bit on the amenities. The difference between a two class 763 and a two class 777 on the IAH to LHR run is a few less seats and the fact its 2-3-2 in the back which beats the hell out of 3-3-3 in my book.

An added frequency for Houston on an international route is a good thing. The fact it will be on a newly refurbished a/c is even better. I'd assume the route could go 788 or 789 once enough a/c arrive.

Houston isn't getting screwed in flight services from UA.
 
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RE: United To Add 3rd Daily IAH Flight To LHR In 2013

Sat Oct 06, 2012 10:41 pm

Quoting CONTACREW (Reply 27):
*All service switches from Continental 777-200ER to UNITED 2-class 767-300ER

Seriously, even if the 763 are refurbs...I am now going BA

Quoting jfk777 (Reply 32):
That is going to go over BADLY.

YUP.

Question remains where are all these freed up 777s going....maybe S. America?
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RE: United To Add 3rd Daily IAH Flight To LHR In 2013

Sat Oct 06, 2012 10:47 pm

Quoting yellowtail (Reply 61):
Seriously, even if the 763 are refurbs...I am now going BA

I'm not clear on why you'd think BA's product is so much more superior...are we talking J class or Y? The hard product should be pretty similar, just with a smaller a/c.

I'd say those freed 777's will upgauge European and S.American existing services. UA doesn't appear poised for any large international expansion right away.
 
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RE: United To Add 3rd Daily IAH Flight To LHR In 2013

Sat Oct 06, 2012 10:50 pm

Quoting yellowtail (Reply 61):

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RE: United To Add 3rd Daily IAH Flight To LHR In 2013

Sat Oct 06, 2012 11:17 pm

Quoting yellowtail (Reply 61):
Seriously, even if the 763 are refurbs...I am now going BA

Obviously it's your choice, but do you mind explaining why? There isn't any different in terms of product between the 777 and 767 - even the over head bins are the same
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RE: United To Add 3rd Daily IAH Flight To LHR In 2013

Sat Oct 06, 2012 11:26 pm

Quoting SonomaFlyer (Reply 60):

That is why I don't understand why some are belly aching about it.
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RE: United To Add 3rd Daily IAH Flight To LHR In 2013

Sun Oct 07, 2012 12:13 am

I will not be belly aching about the change in aircraft. I'm disappointed to see flight 004/005 go to IAD. For at least 26 years, when I first flew IAH-LGW, the departure in the 1800 hour was flight 004 and flight 005 on the return.
 
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RE: United To Add 3rd Daily IAH Flight To LHR In 2013

Sun Oct 07, 2012 12:14 am

Quoting WTXJET (Reply 66):
I will not be belly aching about the change in aircraft. I'm disappointed to see flight 004/005 go to IAD. For at least 26 years, when I first flew IAH-LGW, the departure in the 1800 hour was flight 004 and flight 005 on the return.

Also Flight 1 & 2 are being redeployed on the IAD - MUC - IAD pairings.
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RE: United To Add 3rd Daily IAH Flight To LHR In 2013

Sun Oct 07, 2012 12:35 am

Quoting CONTACREW (Reply 67):
Also Flight 1 & 2 are being redeployed on the IAD - MUC - IAD pairings.

Cue conspiracy theory about drawing down of PMCO hubs and shifting capacity to IAD...  
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RE: United To Add 3rd Daily IAH Flight To LHR In 2013

Sun Oct 07, 2012 2:58 am

Quoting jfk777 (Reply 57):
You can try to sell the UA 767 as a "junior 777" but its still not the big Texas sized 777. I like those BIG GE 90 engines. Texas is about BIG not smaller. They have longhorn cattle not "shorthorn" cattle.

        

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RE: United To Add 3rd Daily IAH Flight To LHR In 2013

Sun Oct 07, 2012 3:04 am

Quoting LAXdude1023 (Reply 17):
SFO-CDG was a dud when UA flew it years ago

Was it? All 15 years?

Quoting jfk777 (Reply 32):
UA is using 20 year old 767's in Houston ? That is going to go over BADLY.

Those 767s are going to be brand new on the inside. They'll be nicer than the 777s

Quoting jfk777 (Reply 57):
You can try to sell the UA 767 as a "junior 777" but its still not the big Texas sized 777. I like those BIG GE 90 engines. Texas is about BIG not smaller. They have longhorn cattle not "shorthorn" cattle.

Thinking like that is why companies go out of business. Fortunately, people don't operate this way anymore.

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RE: United To Add 3rd Daily IAH Flight To LHR In 2013

Sun Oct 07, 2012 3:10 am

Quoting gigneil (Reply 70):

I agree with you.
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RE: United To Add 3rd Daily IAH Flight To LHR In 2013

Sun Oct 07, 2012 3:14 am

Quoting gigneil (Reply 70):
Quoting jfk777 (Reply 57):You can try to sell the UA 767 as a "junior 777" but its still not the big Texas sized 777. I like those BIG GE 90 engines. Texas is about BIG not smaller. They have longhorn cattle not "shorthorn" cattle.

Thinking like that is why companies go out of business. Fortunately, people don't operate this way anymore.

Continental was far more successful then United and it flew 777 from Houston to London. Nothing has changed so much that some flights shouldn't have 777 on the route. Oil is booming, its not as if Houston economy is going the way of Detroit's.
 
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RE: United To Add 3rd Daily IAH Flight To LHR In 2013

Sun Oct 07, 2012 3:21 am

Continental was far more successful by what metric?

Customers had far less options for places to fly through to London on Continental, a. And b, United has a lot more routes that can use the 777 than Continental did.


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RE: United To Add 3rd Daily IAH Flight To LHR In 2013

Sun Oct 07, 2012 3:22 am

If it made more sense ECONOMICALLY to keep the 777 on the IAH to LHR route, UA would do just that. Instead, they are adding another flight. All three will be flown on a/c that will be brand new on the inside with a more comfortable seating arrangement for most if not all passengers. The fact the a/c is slightly smaller should make zero difference to anyone but the most hard-core aviation "fan."

The 777's will be switched over to other routes where they presumably will make more money for UA. South America in particular is an area ripe for expansion both in upgauging current routes and opening up new ones.

Houston won't suffer at all from having newly overhauled a/c flying this route.
 
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RE: United To Add 3rd Daily IAH Flight To LHR In 2013

Sun Oct 07, 2012 3:33 am

Quoting SonomaFlyer (Reply 74):
If it made more sense ECONOMICALLY to keep the 777 on the IAH to LHR route, UA would do just that. Instead, they are adding another flight. All three will be flown on a/c that will be brand new on the inside with a more comfortable seating arrangement for most if not all passengers. The fact the a/c is slightly smaller should make zero difference to anyone but the most hard-core aviation "fan."

The 777's will be switched over to other routes where they presumably will make more money for UA. South America in particular is an area ripe for expansion both in upgauging current routes and opening up new ones.

Houston won't suffer at all from having newly overhauled a/c flying this route.

Passengers may not suffer, but sCO FAs based out of the HTA FA base are going to suffer. They are loosing IAH - HNL next month, will be loosing IAH - GRU, IAH - LHR, IAH - AMS. So it seems like Houston for FAs is getting the short end of the stick. They are however getting LAX - NRT, LAX - PVG.
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RE: United To Add 3rd Daily IAH Flight To LHR In 2013

Sun Oct 07, 2012 3:34 am

If they want better flying opportunities, its time to agree to a joint CBA.  

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Sun Oct 07, 2012 3:37 am

Quoting gigneil (Reply 76):
If they want better flying opportunities, its time to agree to a joint CBA.  

SN

Ha that won't happen anytime soon.
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RE: United To Add 3rd Daily IAH Flight To LHR In 2013

Sun Oct 07, 2012 4:19 am

Quoting CONTACREW (Reply 75):
will be loosing IAH - GRU, IAH - LHR, IAH - AMS.

Is IAH-GRU going to a 763? I must have missed that one. What about EZE?

Wouldn't AMS be temporary until it becomes a 788?
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Sun Oct 07, 2012 4:29 am

Quoting aznmadsci (Reply 78):

I think so.
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RE: United To Add 3rd Daily IAH Flight To LHR In 2013

Sun Oct 07, 2012 4:29 am

Quoting aznmadsci (Reply 78):
Quoting CONTACREW (Reply 75):
will be loosing IAH - GRU, IAH - LHR, IAH - AMS.

Is IAH-GRU going to a 763? I must have missed that one. What about EZE?

Wouldn't AMS be temporary until it becomes a 788?

IAH-AMS is only temporarily on the 788 - the 763 takes that route in over sometime just prior to summer IIRC.

GIG and NRT are 2 class 772's
HNL is a beach market 772 (eventually)
FRA is a 764
LOS is a 788
LHRx3, AMS, EZE, LIM and GRU will be 763's

There are a few other domestic wide body tags that have been loaded but that is about it from IAH.
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RE: United To Add 3rd Daily IAH Flight To LHR In 2013

Sun Oct 07, 2012 4:31 am

Quoting aznmadsci (Reply 78):
Is IAH-GRU going to a 763? I must have missed that one. What about EZE?

Wouldn't AMS be temporary until it becomes a 788?

Yes IAH - GRU will be going sUA 2-cabin 763 (the reconfigured one of course) IAH - AMS will be a 787 from 12/4-3/29. On 3/31 IAH - AMS switches over to sUA 2-cabin 763.
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RE: United To Add 3rd Daily IAH Flight To LHR In 2013

Sun Oct 07, 2012 5:16 am

Quoting SonomaFlyer (Reply 62):
I'd say those freed 777's will upgauge European and S.American existing services. UA doesn't appear poised for any large international expansion right away.

My guess is that you will see the freed up 777's move to EWR which would allow them to start pulling the sCO 752's off some of the transatlantic flights. Those freed up sCO 752s can start to replace sUAs 752s on US-Hawaii routes...they are converting at least one sUA ETOPS 75s to PS so they are going to have to backfill the 752s to Hawaii somehow.
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RE: United To Add 3rd Daily IAH Flight To LHR In 2013

Sun Oct 07, 2012 6:43 am

Quoting jfk777 (Reply 35):
DO BA, Virgin, Cathay, JAL, Qantas, Singapore Airlines, ANA, TAM, Emirates, Ethihad, Qatar or Air Canada fly 757 to LHR ? No way in hell they do. IF those world airlines don't United who tries to be a " world class airline" should follow their example.

Do BA, Virgin, Cathay, JAL, Qantas, Singapore, ANA, TAM, Emirates, Ethihad, Qatar or Air Canada have more than 7 hubs to feed LHR traffic? Nope. UA has 7 hubs, four of which are in the four largest cities in the United States, and all four have LHR service. Why do people think they need a A380 on every one of their LHR flights out of every hub?

Quoting jfk777 (Reply 72):
Continental was far more successful then United and it flew 777 from Houston to London. Nothing has changed so much that some flights shouldn't have 777 on the route. Oil is booming, its not as if Houston economy is going the way of Detroit's.

By what metric? You mean after CO's 2nd bankruptcy they were occasionally profitable, no more or no less, than the rest of the airline industry? You mean they carried more people..oh no wait that was Delta, American, United, Southwest and USAirways.

Quoting SonomaFlyer (Reply 74):
The 777's will be switched over to other routes where they presumably will make more money for UA. South America in particular is an area ripe for expansion both in upgauging current routes and opening up new ones.

   LatAm flying is hot right now. LHR/Europe is not. Until the Euro debt crisis stops sending the entire continent into upheaval, European flying will be down (for reference, see Delta).
 
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RE: United To Add 3rd Daily IAH Flight To LHR In 2013

Sun Oct 07, 2012 11:43 am

So we still don't know where the slot came from ?
 
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RE: United To Add 3rd Daily IAH Flight To LHR In 2013

Sun Oct 07, 2012 12:21 pm

Quoting boilerla (Reply 83):
Quoting jfk777 (Reply 35):DO BA, Virgin, Cathay, JAL, Qantas, Singapore Airlines, ANA, TAM, Emirates, Ethihad, Qatar or Air Canada fly 757 to LHR ? No way in hell they do. IF those world airlines don't United who tries to be a " world class airline" should follow their example.
Do BA, Virgin, Cathay, JAL, Qantas, Singapore, ANA, TAM, Emirates, Ethihad, Qatar or Air Canada have more than 7 hubs to feed LHR traffic? Nope. UA has 7 hubs, four of which are in the four largest cities in the United States, and all four have LHR service. Why do people think they need a A380 on every one of their LHR flights out of every hub?

I never mentioned an A380, that is your call. And some of the airline I listed are allergic to A380: ANA & Cathay among them.
 
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RE: United To Add 3rd Daily IAH Flight To LHR In 2013

Sun Oct 07, 2012 1:10 pm

Quoting jfk777 (Reply 57):
You can try to sell the UA 767 as a "junior 777" but its still not the big Texas sized 777. I like those BIG GE 90 engines. Texas is about BIG not smaller. They have longhorn cattle not "shorthorn" cattle.

Well then, if "Texas sized" is what the goal is, then why aren't you demanding that the 744 be put on this route?????

Quoting yellowtail (Reply 61):
Seriously, even if the 763 are refurbs...I am now going BA

See ya!

Quoting gigneil (Reply 70):

Quoting jfk777 (Reply 57):
You can try to sell the UA 767 as a "junior 777" but its still not the big Texas sized 777. I like those BIG GE 90 engines. Texas is about BIG not smaller. They have longhorn cattle not "shorthorn" cattle.

Thinking like that is why companies go out of business. Fortunately, people don't operate this way anymore.

Amen! I think that the only people who will stop flying UA and start flying BA over this are all a.net members. As long as the service doesn't change, no one else will care.

If I'm flying in Y, I'd much rather be on a 763 than a 772 anyday. I prefer a window seat, and having 1 person next to me is much better than having 2 people to bother when I need to use the loo.

I still don't understand why people are whinging about a capacity increase combined with the use of aircraft with fresh interiors.

Quoting fun2fly (Reply 84):
So we still don't know where the slot came from ?

I suspect it may be the 2nd SFO frequency which is currently dormant.
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RE: United To Add 3rd Daily IAH Flight To LHR In 2013

Sun Oct 07, 2012 2:02 pm

Quoting AussieItaliano (Reply 86):
Quoting fun2fly (Reply 84):
So we still don't know where the slot came from ?

I suspect it may be the 2nd SFO frequency which is currently dormant.

UA is currently, and at least in the schedule that was loaded a few days ago, flying 2 daily flights between SFO and LHR as far in the future as you can book....
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RE: United To Add 3rd Daily IAH Flight To LHR In 2013

Sun Oct 07, 2012 2:04 pm

The fact that UA has the 787 on IAH-AMS/LHR for a period this Spring makes me think that they might be getting permanent 787 service later in 2013 when more are delivered.
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RE: United To Add 3rd Daily IAH Flight To LHR In 2013

Sun Oct 07, 2012 3:02 pm

Quoting jfk777 (Reply 85):
I never mentioned an A380, that is your call. And some of the airline I listed are allergic to A380: ANA & Cathay among them.

Right, but you still ignored his central point: BA has one hub, EK has one hub, SQ has one hub, CX has one hub...

For the record I'd be interested to hear your opinions on all the 767s that DL and AA fly into LHR every day.

Quoting AussieItaliano (Reply 86):
Well then, if "Texas sized" is what the goal is, then why aren't you demanding that the 744 be put on this route?????

Pfff, 747? That what those lily livered Yankees fly! In Texas you need at least an A380, if not a An-225  
Quoting AussieItaliano (Reply 86):
Amen! I think that the only people who will stop flying UA and start flying BA over this are all a.net members. As long as the service doesn't change, no one else will care.

If I'm flying in Y, I'd much rather be on a 763 than a 772 anyday. I prefer a window seat, and having 1 person next to me is much better than having 2 people to bother when I need to use the loo.

I couldn't agree more

Quoting AussieItaliano (Reply 86):
I still don't understand why people are whinging about a capacity increase combined with the use of aircraft with fresh interiors.

Because some people aren't happy unless they're complaining. CO never did it so it's wrong. Period.
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RE: United To Add 3rd Daily IAH Flight To LHR In 2013

Sun Oct 07, 2012 3:17 pm

Quoting United1 (Reply 82):
My guess is that you will see the freed up 777's move to EWR which would allow them to start pulling the sCO 752's off some of the transatlantic flights. Those freed up sCO 752s can start to replace sUAs 752s on US-Hawaii routes...they are converting at least one sUA ETOPS 75s to PS so they are going to have to backfill the 752s to Hawaii somehow.

While it is possible the 777's could replace the 757's, that is a big capacity jump on many of those routes. If your theory holds, they could rotate some of them onto the LHR runs from EWR. I don't see routes such as OSL, EDI, SNN, BHX etc needing that much capacity. However, if UA has enough cargo lined up to ship, that could make sense.

If the 777's are pulled from IAH, I'd expect them to be used on runs to South America from EWR. It is also possible UA will make a play at building up South America from either LAX or SFO though they could use those same 777's to build their Pacific portfolio (such as additional China service) from one of those locations.

The addition of so many 787's over the next five to seven years will mean to me that we'll start seeing some of UA's older a/c leaving the fleet. Which ones will be interesting to see. My bet would be the 777's headed to their D checks as well as the D check eligible 767's and 757's. I don't see enough growth opportunity over the next few years to justify keeping them in the fleet once the 787's arrive.
 
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RE: United To Add 3rd Daily IAH Flight To LHR In 2013

Sun Oct 07, 2012 3:28 pm

Quoting SonomaFlyer (Reply 90):
While it is possible the 777's could replace the 757's, that is a big capacity jump on many of those routes. If your theory holds, they could rotate some of them onto the LHR runs from EWR. I don't see routes such as OSL, EDI, SNN, BHX etc needing that much capacity. However, if UA has enough cargo lined up to ship, that could make sense.

777s replacing 757s is a bit too much, although in the past CO has flown 777s to MAD and MAN which are now 757 routes.


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The current Trans-Atlantic 757 routes that could support a 763 or 764 are:

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ARN, OSL, LIS, BCN, MAD, MAN, DUB, TXL/BER, STR, HAM.

If I had to narrow that list down I would narrow it to ARN, OSL, BCN, MAD, BER.
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RE: United To Add 3rd Daily IAH Flight To LHR In 2013

Sun Oct 07, 2012 3:30 pm

Quoting STT757 (Reply 91):
the past CO has flown 777s to MAD and MAN which are now 757 routes.

They did convert the MAN 777 route to 2 x 757.
 
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RE: United To Add 3rd Daily IAH Flight To LHR In 2013

Sun Oct 07, 2012 3:45 pm

A jump up to a 767 I could see on many of those routes. A jump up to a 777 would not happen for a while (i.e. until this Euro Debt crisis is solved and the region is prospering again).

It will be very interesting to see where the 777's wind up flying.

I too am not sure where the "slot" for the third LHR flight originates. SFO has been 2x per day for a long time now and isn't decreasing.
 
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RE: United To Add 3rd Daily IAH Flight To LHR In 2013

Sun Oct 07, 2012 4:38 pm

I think that IAH is really benefitting from the merger.
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RE: United To Add 3rd Daily IAH Flight To LHR In 2013

Sun Oct 07, 2012 4:46 pm

Quoting david_itl (Reply 92):
They did convert the MAN 777 route to 2 x 757.

Right. Summer MAD and BCN have been 2x752's also so all 3 could support a 777 in the summer w/1 frequency if the economy picks up.

One thing that no one mentioned was that UA may be selectively retiring a few 744's in 2013 when leases come due as they did w/a few in 2012 so the 777's could be taking over those routes.

I guess the mysterious 77W "pending order discussion" due to the Boeing marketing "slip" never materialized as discussed last quarter.
 
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RE: United To Add 3rd Daily IAH Flight To LHR In 2013

Sun Oct 07, 2012 4:46 pm

Quoting AVENSAB727 (Reply 94):
I think that IAH is really benefitting from the merger.

Except for the lose of the headquarters and all those high paying jobs. However that said Houston's economy is robust, they can, and have, more easily absorb the loss without skipping a beat. For instance all those jobs from all over the Country Exxon/Mobile is moving to their huge new campus in the Woodlands probably washes out the hit to the local economy.

http://blog.chron.com/primeproperty/...us-grows-to-house-10000-employees/

http://blog.chron.com/primeproperty/...ly-announces-north-houston-campus/

http://www.chron.com/neighborhood/wo...to-drive-home-sales-in-3696837.php
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RE: United To Add 3rd Daily IAH Flight To LHR In 2013

Sun Oct 07, 2012 4:51 pm

Quoting AVENSAB727 (Reply 94):

I think that IAH is really benefitting from the merger.

How do you figure that?

I think that it is far too early to make a statement like that. From a spotter's perspective, yes, we now have more 757s on shorthaul routes and see Airbus and 787 routes and what not - but a lot of this upgauging is coming at the expense of frequency - for a net loss in traffic. Which in turn helps to keep yields high for the airline at IAH but further gouges Houston travelers. Also we here in Houston have an arguably lower quality hub airline. I won't discuss the why's and how's CO vs. UA nonsense that we see on every other thread. The silver lining is that this extortionist policy has opened the door for competition in the way of NK, foreign carriers, as well as WN. WN has actually grown significantly at HOU in the wake of the UA/CO merger. I will hold my opinion on whether this merger has been good for IAH for a couple of years.
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RE: United To Add 3rd Daily IAH Flight To LHR In 2013

Sun Oct 07, 2012 4:54 pm

Regarding the surplus 777s, and given UA's no-growth capacity guidance, could the answer be that more aircraft will be retired? 744s perhaps?
 
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RE: United To Add 3rd Daily IAH Flight To LHR In 2013

Sun Oct 07, 2012 7:03 pm

Quoting drerx7 (Reply 97):

Given that UA could improve over time. And the added frequency on the LHR flight.
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