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Quoting AmricanShamrok (Reply 2): Air Berlin is launching Berlin-Chicago next summer, not Dusseldorf-Chicago. AA will go head to head with Lufthansa on this route. |
Quoting jfk777 (Reply 4): Finally AA finds Asia outside Japan or China. When will Hong Kong begin ? |
Quoting jfk777 (Reply 4): its good they a starting a European flight from ORD, not cancelling one. |
Quoting realsim (Reply 9): Starts 11APR2013: AA242 | ORD-DUS | 17:00-08:15 | 763 | D AA241 | DUS-ORD | 12:10-14:20 | 763 | D |
Quoting FSDan (Reply 13): So is JFK-DUB coming at the expense of ORD-DUB, or is that one back as well? |
Quoting FSDan (Reply 13): DFW-ICN vs KE ORD-DUS vs LH JFK-DUB vs EI and DL (and indirectly UA at EWR) |
Quoting jfk777 (Reply 16): Didn't AA fly previously from DFW to Lima ? |
Quoting JAAlbert (Reply 18): From what route will AA pull the 772s for the ICN run? I suppose AA will have two or so 77Ws by this time? |
Quoting JAAlbert (Reply 18): How many aircraft does it take to run DFW - ICN? |
Quoting gdg9 (Reply 21): against KE, who are running 5x a week if I'm not mistaken. |
Quoting gdg9 (Reply 21): KE on board product is superior to AA IMHO, and KE has built up a nice reputation on this route locally over the years. |
Quoting gdg9 (Reply 21): KE on board product is superior to AA IMHO, and KE has built up a nice reputation on this route locally over the years. |
Quoting MaverickM11 (Reply 23): It's not really about product, although the new AA product should be competitive. People in DFW, GRK, SAT, etc are going to want AA miles, and that is where AA will have a tremendous advantage over KE, where Skyteam is of much lesser value. |
Quoting Mats (Reply 8): Düsseldorf doesn't make much sense to me. Maybe they're hoping to connect with AirBerlin. |
Quoting Mats (Reply 8): Also, Germany itself is facing tough financial times. |
Quoting commavia (Reply 11): With regard to DFW-ICN specifically, it is now going to be interesting to see what impact AA's entrance into the market will have on KE, which has been flying the route for years. AA will obviously have a more convenient schedule (daily) although KE will obviously have the better hard/soft product in all cabins. |
Quoting commavia (Reply 11): although I do think KE will probably go back down to year-round 3x weekly 777. |
Quoting gdg9 (Reply 21): KE on board product is superior to AA IMHO, and KE has built up a nice reputation on this route locally over the years. |
Quoting realsim (Reply 9): AA27 | DFW-ICN | 10:30-15:00 | 772 | D AA26 | ICN-DFW | 17:00-16:20 | 772 | D |
Quoting HeeseokKoo (Reply 32): AA offers much better schedule. |
Quoting sw733 (Reply 33): it usually ends at about 12:00pm on the final day so I can make it out that night...how nice! |
Quoting aacun (Thread starter): AA annouces Dallas/Ft. worth-Seoul service....... Also ORD-DUS, JFK-DUB and DFW-LIM Also several domestic cities out of DFW and ORD on eagle |
Quoting commavia (Reply 1): The return of DFW-LIM, especially given LAN's rapidly-growing hub there, also makes total sense (and also has for years). |
Quoting commavia (Reply 1): Domestically, DFW-FAR makes sense |
Quoting commavia (Reply 11): With regard to DFW-ICN specifically, it is now going to be interesting to see what impact AA's entrance into the market will have on KE, which has been flying the route for years. AA will obviously have a more convenient schedule (daily) although KE will obviously have the better hard/soft product in all cabins. |
Quoting JAAlbert (Reply 18): From what route will AA pull the 772s for the ICN run? I suppose AA will have two or so 77Ws by this time? How many aircraft does it take to run DFW - ICN? |
Quoting realsim (Reply 9): AA2193 | DFW-LIM | 17:30-00:25 | 752 | D AA2194 | LIM-DFW | 02:00-09:15 | 752 | D |
Quoting realsim (Reply 9): Starts 12JUN2013: AA290 | JFK-DUB | 18:55-06:55 | 752 | D AA291 | DUB-JFK | 09:00-11:30 | 752 | D |
Quoting bobloblaw (Reply 35): I hope they do DFW-ICN wit ha 773 |
Quoting bobloblaw (Reply 35): cuz the yields will be low and they need a place with a low CASM |
Quoting bobloblaw (Reply 35): KE has more connections beyond ICN. |
Quoting crAAzy (Reply 36): although personally I would have preferred AA to fly ORD - Berlin on it's own metal with AB on ORD-DUS. |
Quoting crAAzy (Reply 36): Timing on LIM is quite interesting for AA ... there aren't too many AA flights schedule for 02:00 departures. Is this going to be one long down and back for the crew on these flights? |
Quoting crAAzy (Reply 36): If I remember correctly AA used to run a JFK-DUB almost year round (via SNN) with a 767. |
Quoting crAAzy (Reply 36): Not a big surprise to see them return (if in fact it turns out to be only seasonally with a 752). |
Quoting mogandoCI (Reply 43): ORD - PEK / PVG LAX - PVG DFW - ICN It's nice to see them finally expanding to Asia, but a single TPAC hub probably would serve them better than seemingly p2p services. |
Quoting mogandoCI (Reply 43): Regarding DFW-HKG rumors, it feels like ORD-HEL : hub-to-hub for the sake of it. |
Quoting mogandoCI (Reply 43): 8123mi for a mostly connection-oriented route requires EK-level CASM to make it work |
Quoting mogandoCI (Reply 43): (i'd dread 3-4-3 on this 17 hour flight) |
Quoting commavia (Reply 44): P2P? All of those link major foreign markets with major U.S. hubs for AA. A "single TPAC hub" is not economically or strategically feasible for AA - or really any U.S. carrier - just because of the sheer size of the U.S. No U.S. carrier - including Delta and United - have a "single TPAC hub." |
Quoting commavia (Reply 44): Would it be 17 hours? It's less than 60 miles longer than EWR-HKG, which is scheduled at or just below 16 hours westbound. |
Quoting mogandoCI (Reply 46): UA has a single core TPAC hub at SFO with bespoke services out of other hubs. |
Quoting mogandoCI (Reply 46): AA could easily pick LAX or ORD. |
Quoting commavia (Reply 44): Well, "hub-to-hub for the sake of it," when the hubs on both ends are massive like with DFW-HKG, isn't such a bad thing. |