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Where Did Airlines Move Aircraft Ahead Of Sandy?

Mon Oct 29, 2012 12:15 pm

I read in another thread that US had sent some aircraft to PIT ahead of Sandy hitting northeast. Interested to see where DL, UA, etc etc have sent airplanes. My thoughts and prayers to those in the path.
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RE: Where Did Airlines Move Aircraft Ahead Of Sandy?

Mon Oct 29, 2012 12:23 pm

DL did not reall "move" any airplanes. They have left them at outstations and hubs, and cancelled any inbounds into airports that are going to be impacted by the storm. Less than a handful of ferry flights at that.
More airplanes on the ground at places like ATL, DTW, etc.
 
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RE: Where Did Airlines Move Aircraft Ahead Of Sandy?

Mon Oct 29, 2012 12:24 pm

I believe ZW sent a bunch to roost in CVG.
 
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RE: Where Did Airlines Move Aircraft Ahead Of Sandy?

Mon Oct 29, 2012 12:49 pm

Looks like UA moved some planes to CLE

http://flightaware.com/live/findflight/KEWR/KCLE/

I believe the 1800 series flights are ferries
 
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RE: Where Did Airlines Move Aircraft Ahead Of Sandy?

Mon Oct 29, 2012 1:06 pm

At B6 we moved most of our fleet out of BOS/JFK. I personally brought one to PBI, but saw many open trips to MCO, FLL, TPA, CLT, BUF. The gates here in PBI are full and we had to park at a hard stand.

Even a few were ferried to BNA and ROW

[Edited 2012-10-29 06:10:40]
 
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RE: Where Did Airlines Move Aircraft Ahead Of Sandy?

Mon Oct 29, 2012 1:11 pm

Actually DL did move a few:
A couple of ferrys and extra sections late last night and very early this morning from JFK and some mid-Atlantic state airports to ATL to get overnight aircraft out.

Looking at flight aware there are a few BOS-CVG ferries as well.
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RE: Where Did Airlines Move Aircraft Ahead Of Sandy?

Mon Oct 29, 2012 1:12 pm

Interesting information to read......Thank you for providing the posts.
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RE: Where Did Airlines Move Aircraft Ahead Of Sandy?

Mon Oct 29, 2012 1:27 pm

Quoting DTW.SCE" class="quote" target="_blank">PSU.DTW.SCE (Reply 1):
DL did not reall "move" any airplanes. They have left them at outstations and hubs, and cancelled any inbounds into airports that are going to be impacted by the storm. Less than a handful of ferry flights at that.
More airplanes on the ground at places like ATL, DTW, etc.

Pretty much what AA did, left them at the hubs or spokes (in the case of JFK/LGA). Lots of spare aircraft today.

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RE: Where Did Airlines Move Aircraft Ahead Of Sandy?

Mon Oct 29, 2012 1:55 pm

How many RON (normally scheduled to remain overnight) aircraft doe the main airlines have at each of the New York region airports on a Sunday night that did not end up spending last night at their usual gate/parking stand? does anyone have ready access to those statistics. Obviously United is the most affected, probably followed by Jet Blue and then Delta (unless you add the Delta connection RON aircraft. Are we talking 100 a/c for United and 30 or so Jet Blue and 20 or so Delta mainline that had to get moved out of harms way? I assume the airlines had advance notice that public transport in the NY region was basically shutting down Sunday early evening so that they could plan accordingly?
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RE: Where Did Airlines Move Aircraft Ahead Of Sandy?

Mon Oct 29, 2012 2:35 pm

In most cases they didn't have to be "moved" they just never flew back to an affected airport. Hence why cancelations started throughout the day Sunday. Example an aircraft that would've flown LGA-BNA-LGA, just stayed in BNA.

Last night I flew RDU-DTW on a CR9 that routed JFK-RDU-DTW. A lot of DL's NYC domestic flying is not out-and-back type of trips.
 
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RE: Where Did Airlines Move Aircraft Ahead Of Sandy?

Mon Oct 29, 2012 2:48 pm

We at S-CO moved as many of our aircraft to CLE, MIA, MCO, IAH.. 777's went to IAH. And, we got as many europe 756/777 flights OUT yesterday before the closure to ensure the aircraft are unharmed, and paxs are moved!  

Anyone have pics of EWR?
 
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RE: Where Did Airlines Move Aircraft Ahead Of Sandy?

Mon Oct 29, 2012 3:25 pm

The following DL, UA, US aircraft are parked at AMS:

- Mon 29 Oct dep. 08:15 Newark UA 071 08:15 B757-200 N41140 cancelled

- Mon 29 Oct dep. 11:00 New York JFK DL 0071 Airbus A330-300 / N810NW cancelled
- Mon 29 Oct dep. 11:10 Boston DL 0231 Airbus A330-300 / N821NW cancelled

- Mon 29 Oct dep. 12:00 Philadelphia US 799 Boeing 757-200 / N204UW cancelled
 
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RE: Where Did Airlines Move Aircraft Ahead Of Sandy?

Mon Oct 29, 2012 4:15 pm

I hope this link works.

US Airways moved a bunch to PIT

http://sphotos-a.xx.fbcdn.net/hphoto...23933_539971888_n.jpg

size=-4>



[

Image is from the PIT facebook page.


]

[Edited 2012-10-29 09:17:32]
 
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RE: Where Did Airlines Move Aircraft Ahead Of Sandy?

Mon Oct 29, 2012 4:21 pm

Quoting factsonly (Reply 11):
The following DL, UA, US aircraft are parked at AMS:

Same thing for most European cities. The inbound flights from the East Coast came in as scheduled Monday morning, but the return leg on Monday, and for some Tuesday already, has been cancelled and the planes (and crew) will ride out the storm far away in Europe.
 
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RE: Where Did Airlines Move Aircraft Ahead Of Sandy?

Mon Oct 29, 2012 4:28 pm

Quoting AGCPilot (Reply 12):
I hope this link works.

US Airways moved a bunch to PIT

http://sphotos-a.xx.fbcdn.net/hphoto...23933_539971888_n.jpg

size=-4>

Looks like the good old days =)
 
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RE: Where Did Airlines Move Aircraft Ahead Of Sandy?

Mon Oct 29, 2012 4:43 pm

US sent mostly E190s and A319s to PIT. Interestingly enough, it looks like Southwest sent their planes OUT of PIT to MCI and JAN.
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RE: Where Did Airlines Move Aircraft Ahead Of Sandy?

Mon Oct 29, 2012 4:44 pm

Quoting n501us (Thread starter):
I read in another thread that US had sent some aircraft to PIT ahead of Sandy hitting northeast. Interested to see where DL, UA, etc etc have sent airplanes.

The fastest way to recover is to send airplanes to outstations and leave them there with the crews until the airport opens back up. Then they are put on the next flight to that city and the schedule recovers within 24 hours. If an airline ferries 20 airplanes from NYC to PIT for example, then they have to fly them all empty back to NYC, before resuming operations. Leaving airplanes scattered is actually a good thing.

For the international airplanes, sending them to other hubs makes sense since they can still be used over the network and international airplanes often bounce between hubs. For domestic flights, the airline has a surplus of airplanes. There will undoubtedly be residual cancellations throughout the network since the schedule integrity is falling apart (for example and airplane flies EWR-ORD-SFO, then they have to find another airplane for ORD-SFO). With the number of flights getting canceled, leaving airplanes on the ground throughout the eastern half of the country makes sense.

The routers and dispatch will be working overtime to keep the route structure working. Also, extra sections will be in demand for airports like ATL, ORD, and DTW so that passengers can be rerouted that were intending to fly through airports that are shut down. For the airports near the east coast that are running a full schedule, you should expect 100% loads on every flight. Also, I expect every airplane operating a transatlantic flight today to be packed as reservations reroutes people who were connecting via the Northeast.
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RE: Where Did Airlines Move Aircraft Ahead Of Sandy?

Mon Oct 29, 2012 4:49 pm

Quoting AGCPilot (Reply 12):

I hope this link works.

US Airways moved a bunch to PIT

http://sphotos-a.xx.fbcdn.net/hphoto...n.jpg

Thats Great! It makes PIT look like the old hub it used to be, when there were US planes all over the place.
Thanks for the pic.

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RE: Where Did Airlines Move Aircraft Ahead Of Sandy?

Mon Oct 29, 2012 5:17 pm

It's amazing how it ripples throughout an airline's network. Yesterday, WN at SNA got its first -300 in years.
 
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RE: Where Did Airlines Move Aircraft Ahead Of Sandy?

Mon Oct 29, 2012 5:33 pm

We've got a couple dozen aircraft here at RDU that came in to get out of the path of the storm. We're right on the fringe of it... just a little wind and some rain.

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RE: Where Did Airlines Move Aircraft Ahead Of Sandy?

Mon Oct 29, 2012 5:37 pm

When I checked the LAX construction cam for the TBIT project this morning, I noticed a bunch of Virgin America and JetBlue Airbuses parked on taxiway S(?) near the new TBIT gates. Looks like they have been there since about 5:00 last night. If they are parking aircraft at that location, the LAX remote parking must be full up......... I don't have access to any other webcams that cover that area and I will not be going near LAX for the next couple of days. I wonder if anyone can get pics of the parked masses of aircraft. Thanks to anyone who can get pics.

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RE: Where Did Airlines Move Aircraft Ahead Of Sandy?

Mon Oct 29, 2012 5:38 pm

Quoting flyby519 (Reply 4):
At B6 we moved most of our fleet out of BOS/JFK. I personally brought one to PBI, but saw many open trips to MCO, FLL, TPA, CLT, BUF. The gates here in PBI are full and we had to park at a hard stand.

Just saw a pic of 14 B6 planes in MCO.
 
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RE: Where Did Airlines Move Aircraft Ahead Of Sandy?

Mon Oct 29, 2012 5:54 pm

Quoting enilria (Reply 21):
Just saw a pic of 14 B6 planes in MCO.

Where'd you see that? Care to share it?  
 
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RE: Where Did Airlines Move Aircraft Ahead Of Sandy?

Mon Oct 29, 2012 5:58 pm

AFAIK, DFW has a few B6 320's, and I've heard through the grapevine that ABQ has a few others...
 
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RE: Where Did Airlines Move Aircraft Ahead Of Sandy?

Mon Oct 29, 2012 6:32 pm

B6 has 19 planes down here in FLL. All of our gates are full and we have planes on taxiways and in remote spots. Looks like one big giant plane slumber party down here.
 
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RE: Where Did Airlines Move Aircraft Ahead Of Sandy?

Mon Oct 29, 2012 7:56 pm

I was told by an FA from Shuttle America, they took some to CMH.
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RE: Where Did Airlines Move Aircraft Ahead Of Sandy?

Mon Oct 29, 2012 8:00 pm

I didn't take the pic. Plz delete if the unknown author wishes it deleted.
MCO 10/29/2012

[Edited 2012-10-29 13:00:50]
 
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RE: Where Did Airlines Move Aircraft Ahead Of Sandy?

Mon Oct 29, 2012 8:05 pm

6 WN 737s (300/700)
4 MQ ERJs
1 RW E75 (DL)

...all parked away from the gate and on the tarmac in BNA
 
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RE: Where Did Airlines Move Aircraft Ahead Of Sandy?

Mon Oct 29, 2012 8:05 pm

Quoting enilria (Reply 26):
I didn't take the pic. Plz delete if the unknown author wishes it deleted.
MCO 10/29/2012[Edited 2012-10-29 13:00:50]

Wow! Thanks for sharing! I wish I was there to see that and to see the sunshine again! Here on Long Island it's a MESS!
 
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RE: Where Did Airlines Move Aircraft Ahead Of Sandy?

Mon Oct 29, 2012 8:10 pm

Quoting spiritair97 (Reply 28):
Wow! Thanks for sharing! I wish I was there to see that and to see the sunshine again! Here on Long Island it's a MESS!

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RE: Where Did Airlines Move Aircraft Ahead Of Sandy?

Mon Oct 29, 2012 8:11 pm

Quoting 71Zulu (Reply 3):
Looks like UA moved some planes to CLE

http://flightaware.com/live/findflight/KEWR/KCLE/

I believe the 1800 series flights are ferries

Someone posted this last week:

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RE: Where Did Airlines Move Aircraft Ahead Of Sandy?

Mon Oct 29, 2012 8:29 pm

Quoting enilria (Reply 26):
I didn't take the pic.

That's not actually MCO in the pic, I'm pretty sure it's FLL. We have a very different looking control tower......which I'm sitting in.

We do have a similar looking parking lot though of 10 or so B6 jets currently sitting here, along with an equal number or WN birds, 5 or so UA birds and a few DL jets as well.

Two years in a row. There's just something humorous about airlines evacuating planes TO Florida due to a hurricane.
 
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RE: Where Did Airlines Move Aircraft Ahead Of Sandy?

Mon Oct 29, 2012 8:52 pm

Coming into work today hear at ATL I counted around 40 planes parked.....some at south cargo and counted 6 757's on taxiway SJ I believe it is. And also more on the north side of the field. These were all a mix of DL, FL, US and one Eagle. It's hard to say the exact number parked for the storm on the north side since there are always a handful of DL planes on the Delta North pad, but it looked packed today.
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RE: Where Did Airlines Move Aircraft Ahead Of Sandy?

Mon Oct 29, 2012 8:59 pm

It's amazing the logistics needed to shift a good portion of the fleet out of harm's way. I flew on the last JFK-ATL flight last night on DL73 and they had scheduled two additional segments on top of our already scheduled 763, a 763 and a 764 on JFK-ATL last night to get people moving - kudos to DL.

I have a question about evacuating aircraft from the affected hubs/airports - most airplanes are airworthy and ready to fly, but some airplanes come in with maintenance issues, especially at a base like JFK. What happens to airplanes that are "stranded" at these airports and can't fly due to maintenance issues?

Love the pictures of the airplanes stacked up at the other hubs, keep 'em coming! I'd go and grab a shot of those parked around ATL if anyone can tell me a good location to go grab one from. I'll bet LAX and SFO are interesting for too since most of their 75E fleet is parked between the two, among other operators like AA, UA, and VX.
 
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RE: Where Did Airlines Move Aircraft Ahead Of Sandy?

Mon Oct 29, 2012 9:20 pm

Mr Trump sent his 757 to BQK from LGA on the 28th.
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RE: Where Did Airlines Move Aircraft Ahead Of Sandy?

Mon Oct 29, 2012 9:23 pm

Quoting mcoatc (Reply 31):

Two years in a row. There's just something humorous about airlines evacuating planes TO Florida due to a hurricane.

That is quite ironic.

Quoting MaddogJT8D (Reply 33):

I have a question about evacuating aircraft from the affected hubs/airports - most airplanes are airworthy and ready to fly, but some airplanes come in with maintenance issues, especially at a base like JFK. What happens to airplanes that are "stranded" at these airports and can't fly due to maintenance issues?

Airplanes rarely “come in” with known maintenance issues that prevent dispatch. If there’s a mechanical problem that is not a simple fix on the airplane, then it has to get fixed just as it would have had to get fixed if there was not an imminent hurricane. They work to fix it and then it can fly.

One problem can come up with time limited deferrals. Airplanes have minimum equipment lists where they can fly the airplane with certain parts not working. These usually have a limit (such as 10 days). If the airplane gets sent to an outstation, it could run into the problem of having its deferral expire. Airlines have to be careful to not send airplanes to airports that have no maintenance capability with a long list of deferred items. If B6 flew an A320 into JFK with a component on Day 9 of a 10 day deferral that is poor maintenance planning. If they have to get it out, they can request a temporary waiver to fly under ferry flight conditions or they can fix it.

If there are airplanes grounded at JFK, then they do have a problem. They can get a temporary waiver to ferry it out, unless it is a serious problem. If it is, then they would go through the storage procedure defined in the maintenance documents.

The hurricane will cause problems with scheduled maintenance checks. When the schedule falls apart it is difficult to get airplanes into maintenance when they are scheduled. Usually there is a little flexibility, but most scheduled maintenance is set on flight hours, cycles and calendar days and cannot be exceeded. Airlines are allowed to exceed by 10% for operational reasons.
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RE: Where Did Airlines Move Aircraft Ahead Of Sandy?

Mon Oct 29, 2012 9:30 pm

Quoting Roseflyer (Reply 35):

Fabulous answer Roseflyer, thanks for your patient and detailed explanation! Much appreciated!
 
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RE: Where Did Airlines Move Aircraft Ahead Of Sandy?

Mon Oct 29, 2012 11:38 pm

UA/UAEX has 3 here in ATL, a 738 over on the north cargo area, an LRJ at the ASA hangar, and a E-170 sitting at D10 currently. All are expected to lleave ATL as scheduled flights after Sandy leaves.

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RE: Where Did Airlines Move Aircraft Ahead Of Sandy?

Mon Oct 29, 2012 11:51 pm

We got a few military planes down here in the Pensacola area.

http://www.weartv.com/newsroom/top_s...ly-moved-nas-pensacola-26276.shtml
 
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RE: Where Did Airlines Move Aircraft Ahead Of Sandy?

Mon Oct 29, 2012 11:56 pm

Quoting Roseflyer (Reply 35):

What about planes that might be in the middle if their respective C and/or D checks? You can't ferry those out at all.
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RE: Where Did Airlines Move Aircraft Ahead Of Sandy?

Tue Oct 30, 2012 12:07 am

Mr. Trump, regardless of what you think, does have class. He could of run away to escape this mess, but he elected to stay. Don't forget his office and apartment are in high rises. No electric means no elevators. You don't hook up Home Depot generator in the hallway of you million dollar condo...2 thumbs up Mr. Trump
 
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RE: Where Did Airlines Move Aircraft Ahead Of Sandy?

Tue Oct 30, 2012 12:18 am

There are a few in CLT on the ramp and I can see quite a few RJs over near the hangars, mostly US Airways, one Jet Blue, an AA E-145, etc.
 
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RE: Where Did Airlines Move Aircraft Ahead Of Sandy?

Tue Oct 30, 2012 12:33 am

Quoting EASTERN747 (Reply 40):
Mr. Trump, regardless of what you think, does have class. He could of run away to escape this mess, but he elected to stay. Don't forget his office and apartment are in high rises. No electric means no elevators. You don't hook up Home Depot generator in the hallway of you million dollar condo...2 thumbs up Mr. Trump

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RE: Where Did Airlines Move Aircraft Ahead Of Sandy?

Tue Oct 30, 2012 12:44 am

Anyone know what "heavies" are currently on the ground at JFK and parked at gates or hard stands unable to leave?
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RE: Where Did Airlines Move Aircraft Ahead Of Sandy?

Tue Oct 30, 2012 12:51 am

Quoting flyby519 (Reply 4):

No B6 aircraft are in BNA other then those here for maintenance
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RE: Where Did Airlines Move Aircraft Ahead Of Sandy?

Tue Oct 30, 2012 1:08 am

Quoting EASTERN747 (Reply 40):
class.
Quoting EASTERN747 (Reply 40):
Don't forget his office and apartment are in high rises. No electric means no elevators. You don't hook up Home Depot generator in the hallway of you million dollar condo

That's not class, that's stupidity.

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RE: Where Did Airlines Move Aircraft Ahead Of Sandy?

Tue Oct 30, 2012 1:27 am

Quoting EMBQA (Reply 44):

That's what I get for believing the emails our COO sends out! Apologies for the mistake
 
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RE: Where Did Airlines Move Aircraft Ahead Of Sandy?

Tue Oct 30, 2012 1:39 am

Quoting EASTERN747 (Reply 40):
Don't forget his office and apartment are in high rises. No electric means no elevators.

I'm 99.99% sure Trump's building has backup generators.
 
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RE: Where Did Airlines Move Aircraft Ahead Of Sandy?

Tue Oct 30, 2012 1:43 am

I know we (DL) have at least 2 E75, and 1 CRJ next to a US A320 parked behind the reservations office in DFW.There's also quite a bit of UA 737s on the hardstand off E Side terminal, made for some interesting push backs.

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RE: Where Did Airlines Move Aircraft Ahead Of Sandy?

Tue Oct 30, 2012 1:44 am

Quoting Skyguy (Reply 43):

I believe there aren't that many. Many international inbounds were cancelled yesterday and today. I know that the only passenger flight to leave JFK today was VIR26, the inaugural 4th daily flight, which kinda shows why it took off. That, and the fact that, since the flight is an a330, its cancellation would cause problems in VS' network.

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