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LGA And JFK Runways Underwater?

Tue Oct 30, 2012 4:25 am

I have no links to confirm this, but I'm switching between the three major news networks in the USA (CNN, MSNBC, and FOX) and all three are reporting LGA and JFK runways are currently under water due to flooding from Hurricane Sandy. Can anyone confirm this, and if so, how does this affect both airports in the coming days/weeks?

I hope everyone in the path of this storm is safe!

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RE: LGA And JFK Runways Underwater?

Tue Oct 30, 2012 5:52 am

Yes, it's true.

This was about 8 hours before the hurricane made landfall...it got much worse after this.

http://pbs.twimg.com/media/A6YnZIVCMAIAesf.jpg:large
 
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RE: LGA And JFK Runways Underwater?

Tue Oct 30, 2012 5:53 am

News confirmed this a while ago. Also EWR has some decent damage which resulted in the FAA to shut down the airport "until further notice."

http://www.fly.faa.gov/flyfaa/flyfaaindex.jsp?ARPT=ewr&p=0


Actually, it says all 3 is closed for an unknown time.

Pretty bad situation.
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RE: LGA And JFK Runways Underwater?

Tue Oct 30, 2012 1:13 pm

I was able to make it to JFK last night around 21:00LT. It is going to take some major work to get things back working again. From the little I saw, there is major roadway flooding is several locations- some of it very deep (Almost a meter). From what I was able to see between T1 and T2, T2 has some major water issues, especially by the RJ stands. Runway 31L was completely submerged as well as the taxiways around it. The T1 ramp also had a fair amount of flooding. I could not see whether it extended into the terminal area, but I would imagine that it at least is by the end of the terminal there. I have some images that I will try and post.

[Edited 2012-10-30 06:20:19]
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RE: LGA And JFK Runways Underwater?

Tue Oct 30, 2012 1:22 pm

Here we go:

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RE: LGA And JFK Runways Underwater?

Tue Oct 30, 2012 2:58 pm

This is where is a bit easier for corporate jets, if TEB is under water, private-jet passengers switch their departures/arrivals to HPN, or MMU.

The airlines are stuck at their hub airports
 
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RE: LGA And JFK Runways Underwater?

Tue Oct 30, 2012 3:02 pm

Quoting g500 (Reply 5):
This is where is a bit easier for corporate jets, if TEB is under water, private-jet passengers switch their departures/arrivals to HPN, or MMU.

Not if idiot owners left their planes at TEB and didn't evacuate them...
 
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RE: LGA And JFK Runways Underwater?

Tue Oct 30, 2012 4:04 pm

Any word on Concorde and the USS Intrepid?

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RE: LGA And JFK Runways Underwater?

Tue Oct 30, 2012 4:26 pm

Here's a couple photos I found of LGA- looks bad:

http://sphotos-h.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-prn1/22720_461619047215199_2109810572_n.jpg

Direct KNOBS, maintain 2700' until established on the localizer, cleared ILS runway 26 left approach.
 
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RE: LGA And JFK Runways Underwater?

Tue Oct 30, 2012 4:46 pm

Wow - great pics.

i wonder if we will see wither JFK or LGA open tomorrow. With pics like that it looks extremely unlikely.
 
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RE: LGA And JFK Runways Underwater?

Tue Oct 30, 2012 4:58 pm

LGA a place to land your sea plane?
 
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RE: LGA And JFK Runways Underwater?

Tue Oct 30, 2012 5:01 pm

Looks like Don Muang in Bangkok after their floodings.... This van take a while to be cleared!
 
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RE: LGA And JFK Runways Underwater?

Tue Oct 30, 2012 5:08 pm

Quoting e195 (Reply 7):
Any word on Concorde and the USS Intrepid?

Haven't heard anything other than the tent protecting the Space Shuttle has been ripped apart.

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RE: LGA And JFK Runways Underwater?

Tue Oct 30, 2012 5:31 pm

The Gov. of NY Andrew Cuomo has given a press conference saying that JFK will be opening tomorrow but LGA will remain closed due to the flooding. I have no idea about EWR though.
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RE: LGA And JFK Runways Underwater?

Tue Oct 30, 2012 5:35 pm

Quoting tjwgrr (Reply 8):
Here's a couple photos I found of LGA- looks bad:

Has the sea level not gone down yet or is that water just stuck there until drains get cleared?

Holy crap!

What about EWR?
 
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RE: LGA And JFK Runways Underwater?

Tue Oct 30, 2012 5:44 pm

Quoting United787 (Reply 14):
What about EWR?

EWR apparently had a lot of wind damage and power outages, but that's unconfirmed.
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RE: LGA And JFK Runways Underwater?

Tue Oct 30, 2012 5:45 pm

Quoting Lufthansa411 (Reply 13):
The Gov. of NY Andrew Cuomo has given a press conference saying that JFK will be opening tomorrow but LGA will remain closed due to the flooding. I have no idea about EWR though.

did he say if it would be a full opening or restricted movements?
 
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RE: LGA And JFK Runways Underwater?

Tue Oct 30, 2012 6:11 pm

Quoting sweair (Reply 10):
LGA a place to land your sea plane?

Just park it at the Marine Air Terminal, clipper service is restarting soon.
 
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RE: LGA And JFK Runways Underwater?

Tue Oct 30, 2012 6:52 pm

LGA is closed Wed as noted.

Thursday operations have been cancelled by some carriers.

JFK is expected to have some Wed operations but not confirmation (yet) on how much.

I've been rebooked 6 times today (originally Wed evening departure from LGA). Every time they get me rebooked and I hang up I get an email about the cxl about 15-30 mins later.

Not a fun time to be flying to/from NYC.
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RE: LGA And JFK Runways Underwater?

Tue Oct 30, 2012 7:13 pm

Quoting silentbob (Reply 17):
Just park it at the Marine Air Terminal, clipper service is restarting soon.

I was going to say the same thing - wow.
 
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RE: LGA And JFK Runways Underwater?

Tue Oct 30, 2012 7:16 pm

For JFK , PANYNJ is also advising large amount of debris including 2 boats that have washed up on runway 4L/R! Fuel farm and the navaids are also down. If the navaids don't come back up, don't expect the airport to open anytime soon.
 
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RE: LGA And JFK Runways Underwater?

Tue Oct 30, 2012 7:20 pm

I'm scheduled to fly into LGA on 11/14 for work-related conference on Long Island. I'm sure that it will be re-opened well before then, but it still makes me wonder... I haven't heard much about the state of things on Long Island, but I'm wondering if the conference will still happen.

[Edited 2012-10-30 12:21:09]
 
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RE: LGA And JFK Runways Underwater?

Tue Oct 30, 2012 7:31 pm

I'm thinking there's major structural damage at JFK because the long haul international flights are not leaving Asia so no plans to open the airport for another 16 plus hours I imagine. Any word on how many people worldwide are stranded?
 
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RE: LGA And JFK Runways Underwater?

Tue Oct 30, 2012 7:35 pm

Quoting airfrancejfk (Reply 20):
If the navaids don't come back up, don't expect the airport to open anytime soon.

Which navaids are required for daylight VFR operations? It looks like it'll be VFR in NYC for much of the weekend at least.
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RE: LGA And JFK Runways Underwater?

Tue Oct 30, 2012 7:38 pm

I've heard TEB is also a mess.
 
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RE: LGA And JFK Runways Underwater?

Tue Oct 30, 2012 7:45 pm

Quoting sabenapilot (Reply 11):
Looks like Don Muang in Bangkok after their floodings...

Also Sendai, Japan (SDJ) after the March 2011 earthquake and tsunami. Emergency relief flights began after about a week but it was closed to commercial flights for a month and then only reopened on a limited basis with a few flights a day. It was another 3 or 4 months before full service resumed.

http://www.usernetsite.com/society/japan-earthquake-inedit-photos/sendai-airport-is-flooded-after-a-tsunami-following-an-earthquake-in-sendai.jpg
 
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RE: LGA And JFK Runways Underwater?

Tue Oct 30, 2012 8:17 pm

Here's another pic

 
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RE: LGA And JFK Runways Underwater?

Tue Oct 30, 2012 8:20 pm

This is the best reason why Congress should continue to subsidize AMTRAK. You'd think they would have learned after shutting down the entire US airspace after 9/11. The country needs to keep moving?

DL is reporting that a portion of the exterior wall of the arrivals building is bowed in and in danger of collapse. No damage to T4 or T5, however.

NY employees cannt get to work with all subway and bus transportation halted.
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RE: LGA And JFK Runways Underwater?

Tue Oct 30, 2012 8:28 pm

Quoting DTWPurserBoy (Reply 27):
This is the best reason why Congress should continue to subsidize AMTRAK.

What makes you think the trains are moving...? Much of the track runs right along the coast where all the damage is....PLUS the train stations in NY are closed because they're flooded
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RE: LGA And JFK Runways Underwater?

Tue Oct 30, 2012 8:36 pm

Quoting redzeppelin (Reply 21):
I haven't heard much about the state of things on Long Island, but I'm wondering if the conference will still happen.

Media seems to be focusing more on the Jersey shore. The south shore of Long Island is just as bad, many homes have been inundated by the storm surge not only on fire island but all along the south shore. Long Beach is heavily damaged as well. Something like 90% of the population in Nassau and Suffolk are without power.
 
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RE: LGA And JFK Runways Underwater?

Tue Oct 30, 2012 8:37 pm

Quoting DTWPurserBoy (Reply 27):
This is the best reason why Congress should continue to subsidize AMTRAK.

Amtrak shut down all service in the affected area. No movements north of DC Union Station.
EDIT: Also, one of the East River Tubes has been flooded. Penn is going to be closed for a while.

[Edited 2012-10-30 13:41:07]
 
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RE: LGA And JFK Runways Underwater?

Tue Oct 30, 2012 8:40 pm

Maybe Sully could land at LGA?  
 
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RE: LGA And JFK Runways Underwater?

Tue Oct 30, 2012 8:52 pm

RNAV and VOR approaches could always be used if the ILS is inop.
 
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RE: LGA And JFK Runways Underwater?

Tue Oct 30, 2012 8:53 pm

Quoting tjwgrr (Reply 8):

"La Guardia Tower, N315MB is type Cessna Caravan Amphibian, inbound visual runway 4."
"N315MB, La Guardia Tower, wind 041 at 35, cleared to land runway 4 water, report gear up."
"Cleared to land runway 4 water, gear up and locked, N315MB."
"N315MB contact ground on 121.7"
"121.7 for N315MB."
"La Guardia Ground, N315MB, request taxi to parking."
"N315MB, congratulations, you'll actually get a jetway this time. Taxi to gate Charlie 34, assuming you can see the taxiway signs. If you can't see the signs, take the shortest available path."
"Taxiing to Charlie 34, N315MB."
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RE: LGA And JFK Runways Underwater?

Tue Oct 30, 2012 9:03 pm

Quoting sweair (Reply 10):
LGA a place to land your sea plane?

Captain Sully likes to think so   

WOW the damage to infraesructure is colossal...
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RE: LGA And JFK Runways Underwater?

Tue Oct 30, 2012 9:15 pm

Quoting jporterfi (Reply 33):

OK, I don't know if that's real or not. I'm on the approach to 'Rwy 04 LGA' and I haven't heard anything fly over since yesterday. So, perhaps I've been fooled. I'll try to take some pics tomorrow.
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RE: LGA And JFK Runways Underwater?

Tue Oct 30, 2012 9:31 pm

Quoting tjwgrr (Reply 8):
Here's a couple photos I found of LGA- looks bad:
Quoting toolowterrain (Reply 26):
Here's another pic

Wow, that looks really bad. Were there any aircraft in LGA when the storm hit?
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RE: LGA And JFK Runways Underwater?

Tue Oct 30, 2012 9:31 pm

Quoting tharanga (Reply 19):
Quoting silentbob (Reply 17):
Just park it at the Marine Air Terminal, clipper service is restarting soon.

I was going to say the same thing - wow.

  

Quoting airfrancejfk (Reply 20):
For JFK , PANYNJ is also advising large amount of debris including 2 boats that have washed up on runway 4L/R! Fuel farm and the navaids are also down. If the navaids don't come back up, don't expect the airport to open anytime soon.

I heard the navaids are going to be under repairs for some time. It's a total wreck over there.

Quoting EMBQA (Reply 28):
What makes you think the trains are moving...?
Quoting Mcoov (Reply 30):
Penn is going to be closed for a while.

Exactly. Trains are going to be severely disrupted for the next few days.
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RE: LGA And JFK Runways Underwater?

Tue Oct 30, 2012 9:35 pm

Quoting DTWPurserBoy (Reply 27):
This is the best reason why Congress should continue to subsidize AMTRAK.

Amtrak shut down. It doesn't help when their power sources are overhead electric wires.
I've also heard that in addition to damage over by Penn station's tunnels, some of the MTA's metro north rail tunnels also got flooded.
 
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RE: LGA And JFK Runways Underwater?

Tue Oct 30, 2012 9:41 pm

Quoting Cubsrule (Reply 23):
Which navaids are required for daylight VFR operations? It looks like it'll be VFR in NYC for much of the weekend at least.

I don't think any. MSY was a daytime VFR only airport right after Katrina.

Quoting us330 (Reply 38):
Amtrak shut down. It doesn't help when their power sources are overhead electric wires.

Since when is Amtrak electric?
 
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RE: LGA And JFK Runways Underwater?

Tue Oct 30, 2012 9:46 pm

Water on the runways and near the gates... what is the likelihood of damage to lights, electrical systems, underground communications and electricity tunnels, and the like? And if there is damage, how to long would it take to repair all this?
 
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RE: LGA And JFK Runways Underwater?

Tue Oct 30, 2012 9:55 pm

Hmm, Delta just issued this press release:

http://news.delta.com/index.php?s=18&item=152

Basically, resuming limited flying out of JFK on Wednesday (Oct 31) afternoon, and limited flying into LGA and EWR on Wednesday (Oct 31) evening for a Thursday (Nov 1) restart.....
 
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RE: LGA And JFK Runways Underwater?

Tue Oct 30, 2012 9:56 pm

Quoting 71Zulu (Reply 39):

Since when is Amtrak electric?

The Acela Express?
 
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RE: LGA And JFK Runways Underwater?

Tue Oct 30, 2012 9:59 pm

Quoting 71Zulu (Reply 39):
Since when is Amtrak electric?

The entire northeast corridor Amtrak service is electrified. It's how they run the Acela. In fact, diesel trains are banned in Penn Station; the Empire Service trains are dual-mode to operate electric-only in the Manhattan tunnels.
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RE: LGA And JFK Runways Underwater?

Tue Oct 30, 2012 10:00 pm

Quoting 71Zulu (Reply 39):
Since when is Amtrak electric?

The high-speed northeast corridor service has always been electric.
 
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RE: LGA And JFK Runways Underwater?

Tue Oct 30, 2012 10:15 pm

Quoting steex (Reply 44):

No it hasn't.. I grew up on the mid coast of Connecticut and they didn't add the electric service until sometime after we moved away in 1983.
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RE: LGA And JFK Runways Underwater?

Tue Oct 30, 2012 10:24 pm

Quoting Bralo20 (Reply 42):
Quoting dvincent (Reply 43):
Quoting steex (Reply 44):
Quoting EMBQA (Reply 45):

Ok guys, thanks for the correction!
 
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RE: LGA And JFK Runways Underwater?

Tue Oct 30, 2012 10:28 pm

Quoting rwy04lga (Reply 35):
jporte

It was meant as a joke: I just made it up. I didn't expect anyone to think it was real ATC communication.
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RE: LGA And JFK Runways Underwater?

Tue Oct 30, 2012 10:35 pm

Yes, I know it was. I was fooling.
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RE: LGA And JFK Runways Underwater?

Tue Oct 30, 2012 10:36 pm

Quoting dvincent (Reply 43):
diesel trains are banned in Penn Station

Negative, the LIRR as well as Amtrak run diesel into Penn Station.

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