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BMI A330 G-WWBD To Be Parted Out

Fri Nov 02, 2012 1:56 am

Just saw on skyliner that BD A330 G-WWBD c/n 401 has been ferried LHR - BGR - SFB for part out and scrap yesterday 10/31.

Truly end of an era, what a sad end for a truly gorgeous aircraft. Unbelievable there would not be a taker for a new flying career, even for an older frame, not that 11.5 years is old.


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RE: BMI A330 G-WWBD To Be Parted Out

Fri Nov 02, 2012 3:01 am

That's a shame. I've seen G-WWBD before, and it was a real beauty. Barely over a decade old? What's the deal.
 
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RE: BMI A330 G-WWBD To Be Parted Out

Fri Nov 02, 2012 3:18 am

Is that the one that after its heavy mx check was pulled out of service due to the huge crack in the hull?

If I'm right... I think it often had recurring mx issues.
 
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RE: BMI A330 G-WWBD To Be Parted Out

Fri Nov 02, 2012 3:48 am

Another A333 was ferried to TUP (usually a sign of breaking up the aircraft) on 10/15. 9M-MKD was 17 years old though.


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RE: BMI A330 G-WWBD To Be Parted Out

Fri Nov 02, 2012 5:12 am

It is because of the way that the market has gone. Aircraft are now sold on the "gillette razor blade" model, so cheap up front, but spare parts are very expensive. E.g. Eaton fuel pumps - they make 6-8% contribution margin when sold as part of a new order, but 90% margin on the spare parts!

The discrepancy has got so big, that if you buy a new CFM 56, you need to sign that you won't break it for parts - because it is worth considerably more as new spare parts than the purchase price!

So, relatively cheap new aircraft, plus very expensive spare parts, means that the calculation of "break for spares" vs "sell as second hand aircraft" favours breaking for spares of much younger aircraft than in the past.

It hasn't yet got to the CFM 56 stage with airframes yet, but we are not far off where buying one or two extra new aircraft. and using them for spare parts, is cheaper than buying the spare parts separately...
 
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RE: BMI A330 G-WWBD To Be Parted Out

Fri Nov 02, 2012 5:16 am

Quoting Lutfi (Reply 4):
The discrepancy has got so big, that if you buy a new CFM 56, you need to sign that you won't break it for parts - because it is worth considerably more as new spare parts than the purchase price!

Pratt forgot to make ANA sign that provision when ANA was buying PW4090s; ANA had options to buy excess spare engines and maxed out that option for the part resale values!

Quoting Lutfi (Reply 4):
So, relatively cheap new aircraft, plus very expensive spare parts, means that the calculation of "break for spares" vs "sell as second hand aircraft" favours breaking for spares of much younger aircraft than in the past.

Agreed.

Quoting Lutfi (Reply 4):
It hasn't yet got to the CFM 56 stage with airframes yet

But any airframe that looses resale (e.g., 736, A318) is a quick target for parting due to the 'floor' in resale value the parts provide.

I 100% agree with you that the high cost of spares has shifted the part vs. repair equation towards parting out aircraft. In particular if there was an expensive repair due.

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RE: BMI A330 G-WWBD To Be Parted Out

Fri Nov 02, 2012 5:49 am

LOL on ANA and the Pratts

Yep. 330-200 values are taking a hit now (240t A330-300 can do the same missions with better economics) so I would not be surprised to see a number of those broken early for parts as they come off lease, and as you say, A318s and B736s are endangered species.
 
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RE: BMI A330 G-WWBD To Be Parted Out

Fri Nov 02, 2012 5:54 am

This is sad for many reasons..BMI = beautiful lovery on that A330..also a good airline..and to see a beautiful bird of only half her life taken apart, something is wrong with the way this industry is right now =(
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RE: BMI A330 G-WWBD To Be Parted Out

Fri Nov 02, 2012 6:28 am

Such a pity; BMI's A330s are/were the best looking planes around. I guess that honor now goes to Virgin Atlantic's A340-600s.

Quoting Spacepope (Reply 3):

I believe there is a second Malaysia Airlines A330 which is also going to be parted out soon.

Quoting Lutfi (Reply 4):
It hasn't yet got to the CFM 56 stage with airframes yet, but we are not far off where buying one or two extra new aircraft. and using them for spare parts, is cheaper than buying the spare parts separately...

I knew that spare parts were expensive, but I didn't know the issue was that significant. Thanks for sharing.


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Pratt forgot to make ANA sign that provision when ANA was buying PW4090s; ANA had options to buy excess spare engines and maxed out that option for the part resale values!

  
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RE: BMI A330 G-WWBD To Be Parted Out

Fri Nov 02, 2012 6:37 am

Quoting zkojq (Reply 8):
I believe there is a second Malaysia Airlines A330 which is also going to be parted out soon.

- They have a number of early build models that will be high cycle, expect most of them to be scrapped as the new A330's enter the fleet.

I expect the same will go for the PR & GA machines.
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RE: BMI A330 G-WWBD To Be Parted Out

Fri Nov 02, 2012 6:55 am

If that plane has a know history of maintenance issues and has a serious fuselage crack, it would be TOO expensive to do a D-check overhaul so it could be sold to another airline.
 
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RE: BMI A330 G-WWBD To Be Parted Out

Fri Nov 02, 2012 7:05 am

Quoting ba319-131 (Reply 9):
They have a number of early build models that will be high cycle, expect most of them to be scrapped as the new A330's enter the fleet.

Which is interesting, the disposability of the airframe is also driving sales. A virtuous cycle for Airbus.
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RE: BMI A330 G-WWBD To Be Parted Out

Fri Nov 02, 2012 7:20 am

So sad. This must be one of the first, if not THE first, 21st century built airframe to be parted out.
 
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RE: BMI A330 G-WWBD To Be Parted Out

Fri Nov 02, 2012 7:20 am

Eleven and a half years old and it's being scrapped !


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RE: BMI A330 G-WWBD To Be Parted Out

Fri Nov 02, 2012 7:51 am

Flew this plane once from Riyadh to London. I remember spending a month in the "dry" Saudi Arabia and asking for a beer with my meal on my flight back home. The flight attendant gave me two and told me that I'd probably need that.  
Quoting lmml 14/32 (Reply 12):
So sad. This must be one of the first, if not THE first, 21st century built airframe to be parted out.

Do you mean the first A330 airframe? Newer than this A318 and 737-600 airframes have been scrapped already I believe.
 
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RE: BMI A330 G-WWBD To Be Parted Out

Fri Nov 02, 2012 8:25 am

I can't believe another young aircraft is going to the metal maker so soon.

This 330 in that BMI is particularly beautiful, just a shame I don't have a several million to buy her.

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Fri Nov 02, 2012 8:35 am

For your information, the crack was in G-WWBM, not this airframe.


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RE: BMI A330 G-WWBD To Be Parted Out

Fri Nov 02, 2012 8:49 am

Was this the airframe that once had a serious undercarriage corrosion issue a while back and spent several weeks out of service ? Or a heavy landing damaging the u/c ? Anyway, sad to see her go to the choppers, I guess BA wanted a quick disposal and not have the 2 odd 330 airframes on their books.
 
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RE: BMI A330 G-WWBD To Be Parted Out

Fri Nov 02, 2012 8:58 am

You think that's bad. easyJet scrapped their newest B737-700 (G-EZKG) at the age of just seven years old. Happy memories of this aircraft, I worked on it a lot! Something is very wrong with this industry.
 
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RE: BMI A330 G-WWBD To Be Parted Out

Fri Nov 02, 2012 10:45 am

Given that people are desperate to take new A330-243s asap and there is a healthy order book, it would seem there must be a reasonably serious issue here.
 
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RE: BMI A330 G-WWBD To Be Parted Out

Fri Nov 02, 2012 11:39 am

Had many flights on G-WWBD, though this doesn't surprise me. I suspect it had a lot of cycles from doing LHR-RUH-DMM/JED-RUH-LHR for many years. Not to mention it did seem to go tech a lot, I've been caught in a delay by it going tech and I've known others have their flights cancelled. It was pretty worn out on the inside and I guess flying in/out of desert conditions almost daily probably didn't do the engines much good either. Part of me is sad it's being scrapped, another part of me thinks "thank god"
 
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RE: BMI A330 G-WWBD To Be Parted Out

Fri Nov 02, 2012 12:14 pm

It's like a lot of things these days, they're not built to last. How many 15+ year old cars do we see these days?

Just think, if Iran Air could have got their hands on her, she'd probably still be flying in 2025
 
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RE: BMI A330 G-WWBD To Be Parted Out

Fri Nov 02, 2012 12:31 pm

Quoting kyrone (Reply 2):

Is that the one that after its heavy mx check was pulled out of service due to the huge crack in the hull?

If I'm right... I think it often had recurring mx issues.
Quoting RayChuang (Reply 10):

If that plane has a know history of maintenance issues and has a serious fuselage crack, it would be TOO expensive to do a D-check overhaul so it could be sold to another airline.

This A330 must have been built on a Monday.

Quoting FlyingAY (Reply 14):

Flew this plane once from Riyadh to London. I remember spending a month in the "dry" Saudi Arabia and asking for a beer with my meal on my flight back home. The flight attendant gave me two and told me that I'd probably need that.  

Haha nice story!

Quoting n729pa (Reply 21):
Just think, if Iran Air could have got their hands on her, she'd probably still be flying in 2025

More like 2045! Gotta love how the Iranians keep 40 year old 741s, 742s and 747SPs in the air.
 
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RE: BMI A330 G-WWBD To Be Parted Out

Fri Nov 02, 2012 12:50 pm

Quoting vaus77w (Reply 22):
Quoting n729pa (Reply 21):
Just think, if Iran Air could have got their hands on her, she'd probably still be flying in 2025

More like 2045! Gotta love how the Iranians keep 40 year old 741s, 742s and 747SPs in the air.

I don't think they build them that tough anymore, I guess it will be rare to see 20 year old 737NG's or A320's flying around, whereas older 737's and DC-9's will keep on going strong.
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RE: BMI A330 G-WWBD To Be Parted Out

Fri Nov 02, 2012 2:31 pm

Quoting Cricket (Reply 23):
I don't think they build them that tough anymore, I guess it will be rare to see 20 year old 737NG's or A320's flying around, whereas older 737's and DC-9's will keep on going strong.

Twenty plus is not that rare. Here are the birth and death dates of the first five 320s to enter commercial service, all of which flew for twenty years or more:


c/n 002. Air France. F-GFKQ. First flight 27 Apr 87. Broken up Sept 09. Age 22.5 years

c/n 003. Air Inter / Air France. F-GGEG. First flight 18 Jun 87. Stored Greenwood Jul 08. Age 21 years

c/n 004. Air Inter / Air France. F-GGEF. First flight 8 Jul 87. Stored Toulouse Mar 08. Age 20.75 years

c/n 005. Air France. F-GFKA. First flight 15 Oct 87. Stored Oct 10. Age 23 years

c/n 006. British Airways G-BUSB. First flight 9 Nov 87. Stored GYR Dec 07. Age 20 years


Whether or not those going into service today will last as long is another matter. This may be particularly true as, to reduce costs, today airlines often look for increasingly high utilisation rates. So the most critical date for a short haul aircraft approaching its twentieth birthday is probably when its next D Check is due.
 
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RE: BMI A330 G-WWBD To Be Parted Out

Fri Nov 02, 2012 2:47 pm

Just wondering - roughly what percentage of an aircraft that is scrapped for parts is really usable? Stuff that is re-usable on other aircraft of the airline/leasing company like avionics and seats will probably be taken out before the sale. Other stuff that is non-standard for the type in question, but airline specific will have relatively little value. So you gotta wonder how much remains for reselling.
 
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Fri Nov 02, 2012 3:27 pm

Quoting vfw614 (Reply 25):
Just wondering - roughly what percentage of an aircraft that is scrapped for parts is really usable? Stuff that is re-usable on other aircraft of the airline/leasing company like avionics and seats will probably be taken out before the sale. Other stuff that is non-standard for the type in question, but airline specific will have relatively little value. So you gotta wonder how much remains for reselling.

You may find the report "The Aircraft at End of Life Sector: a Preliminary Study" interesting. It suggests specific aircraft have a significant value parted, much more than if they are simply salvaged. Here is a link:

http://users.ox.ac.uk/~pgrant/Airplane%20end%20of%20life.pdf

The sectopn 6 starting on page 10, titled "Parting out of a B757" is specific to one aircraft parted-out at QLA (Lasham) in the UK is particularly intertesting.

By the way an interesting aside is what happened to some of the 777 (G-YMMM) that crash landed at LHR in January 2008. The pilot, Cpt Burkhil, visited the BA 777 training facility at Cranebank, Cranford near to Heathrow in Novbember 2010. He was surprised to find that the 772 simulator in use there was constructed from his aircraft's flight deck right down to the seats.
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RE: BMI A330 G-WWBD To Be Parted Out

Fri Nov 02, 2012 5:52 pm

Quoting FlyingAY (Reply 14):
Do you mean the first A330 airframe? Newer than this A318 and 737-600 airframes have been scrapped already I believe.

Yes a good number of 737-700's have sadly been scrapped and all were built after 2000------agree with other posters that something is wrong with this industry when perfectly good a/c are scrapped-----it is wasteful and devalues the product.
 
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RE: BMI A330 G-WWBD To Be Parted Out

Fri Nov 02, 2012 11:58 pm

It is neither sad nor meaning that anything is wrong with the industry. It is a business, where economics should rule and not emotions. And it is not like it is a unique aircraft, just one out of several hundred of the same time. Aircrafts are a commodity.

Had we taked about one of the few remaining type of that aircrafts it would have been sad, not when we talk about ne of several hundred
 
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RE: BMI A330 G-WWBD To Be Parted Out

Sat Nov 03, 2012 1:03 am

This really says something about how tough airplanes are these days. Gone are the days of the 20-30-40 yr old airliners still in service. With the price of spares high and the relative cost of a new airplane low (is it really all that low?) can you still possibly break even when you scrap a plane that is 7-10 years old? Seems like not enough time to be able to recoup the original purchase price...unless you lease then its not your problem.

Enjoy those last few DC-8s and L-1011s, a few more 727s, 737-200s, DC-10s A-300s and DC-9s still flying around out there that are 25+ years old. I count myself especially lucky to live in a place where I can see AND HEAR the lovely roar of the P&W R2800s on DC-6s rumbling overhead every morning into the wide open Alaskan sky, still earning their keep hauling cargo. The newest of those beauties are 56 years old and I cant forget the beautiful Curtis C-46s that haul fuel and freight every day, they are over 65 years old.
 
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RE: BMI A330 G-WWBD To Be Parted Out

Sat Nov 03, 2012 1:58 am

Ive heard it referred to as GWW-Badly Damaged due to its MX issues.
 
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RE: BMI A330 G-WWBD To Be Parted Out

Sat Nov 03, 2012 2:19 am

I guess the Air Force got it right when they bought all those 707s for use as spare parts.
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RE: BMI A330 G-WWBD To Be Parted Out

Sat Nov 03, 2012 2:25 am

Quoting n471wn (Reply 27):
a good number of 737-700's have sadly been scrapped and all were built after 2000

Approximately how many? Do you know what carriers they operated for?
 
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Sat Nov 03, 2012 7:39 am

I believe that WWBD had a heavy check less than three months back, which seems a strange decision in light of it now heading for the breakers. Of course where you have planes which are leased, the operator has to maintain them properly right up to the point when the lease ends, but you might think that between them they could have reached a compromise to end the lease early and share the cost saving between them.
 
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RE: BMI A330 G-WWBD To Be Parted Out

Sat Nov 03, 2012 10:22 am

It all comes down to money in the end. Sophicated financial management computer software has made it easier to determine the value of an aircraft as to keeping it or not including parting out or scrapping. Confusing and ever changing tax laws that may allow accelerated depreciation or write-downs of aircraft so it ends up with early retiring of some aircraft as financially sound. As noted in other posts, supply and demand for certain parts and where certain sub-models, like the 737-700) that have poorer resale values but have many parts usualble with other and more popular models. The expense to make certain major repairs or MX vs. keeping a plane flying may mean early scrappage. Fuel burn of some models may mean earlier scarppage vs. retention.
 
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RE: BMI A330 G-WWBD To Be Parted Out

Sat Nov 03, 2012 10:51 am

All true, however the A330-200 is very much an in demand aicraft. Hardly an A318 or A345.
 
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RE: BMI A330 G-WWBD To Be Parted Out

Sat Nov 03, 2012 11:57 am

I guess part of the equation is that nowadays - like in other industries - the initial product is relatively cheap and serves as a door-opener for further business down the road, resulting in disproportionately expensive costs for maintenance and spare parts for the product. Which of course means that aircraft that would never have been used as a spare parts source 20 or 30 years ago nowadays are much more likely targets for parting out.
 
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RE: BMI A330 G-WWBD To Be Parted Out

Sat Nov 03, 2012 12:47 pm

Quoting Viscount724 (Reply 32):

Austrian Airlines 737-700 OE-LNN/LNO were at Kemble UK for part out. Seen some pics on Flickr.

Also as mentioned on this thread I believe an Easyjet 73G has also been scrapped.
 
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RE: BMI A330 G-WWBD To Be Parted Out

Sat Nov 03, 2012 1:18 pm

Quoting Bongodog1964 (Reply 33):
believe that WWBD had a heavy check less than three months back,

This is correct and a good point. It was flown to MLA on 19 July for maintenance returning to LHR on 18 August. A full months absence from service indicates that it may have undergone a D Check.

Of course it is not clear what the terms of the lease were. They may have required the operator (BD) to pay for this maintenance. However it had earlier been widely reported that this aircraft and the other 330 leased by BD from ILFC (G-WWBM that I believe has been parked at LHR since it operated an ALA-LHR flight on 26 October) were to be returned to ILFC at the end of October. It does therefore seem very strange that an aircraft that had undergone what was likely a very expensive maintenance procedure should be destined to be broken up after making a little fewer (49?) than 50 commercial rotations after major maintenance.

I note that the BA Source at :

http://www.thebasource.com/

says in its entry for 31 October
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"bmi Airbus A330-200 G-WWBD positioned London Heathrow – Bangor – Sanford today using GWWBD as its callsign and is expected to be parted out and scrapped"

I wonder if their use of the word "expected" here has now become a certainty in this thread?

So my question is does anyone know for certain that this aircraft will be broken up? If not does anyone know what other reason it might have been ferried to SFB while its sister ship is still parked up at LHR?

Here the only contribution I can make is that 'BD was registered (and therefoire presumably leased) to BD on 9 May 2001, 12 days AFTER 'BM and that, despite their similar ages, as at 31 December 2011 'BD had clocked up 41,002 flying hours while 'BM had clocked a significantly higher 48,197 - all data from the "G-INFO" CAA web site.
 
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RE: BMI A330 G-WWBD To Be Parted Out

Sat Nov 03, 2012 1:22 pm

Quoting Viscount724 (Reply 32):


Approximately how many? Do you know what carriers they operated for?


Accordning to planespotters.net the following LN of 737-700 har been scrapped 702, 766, 1450, 1453 and 1495

In additons, many are listed as stored, and is just waiting to get chopped, or might just av been scrapped but not got their staus pdated yet. Such as the two OS planes mentioned a few post above.
 
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RE: BMI A330 G-WWBD To Be Parted Out

Sat Nov 03, 2012 2:00 pm

Having spoken to the operating flight crew of it's last flight, G-WWBD is definitely going to be scrapped in SFB. I heard that its lease doesn't end until 2014. How true or relevant that is I don't know?

Sister G-WWBM is expected to be ferried LHR-BGR-VCV next week for storage before apparently being returned to the lessor late next year.

Surprised their fate is so different considering their similar age! G-WWBB had a lucky escape!  
 
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RE: BMI A330 G-WWBD To Be Parted Out

Sat Nov 03, 2012 2:04 pm

Quoting ba319-131 (Reply 9):
I expect the same will go for the PR & GA machines.

I agree with the sentiment; (with rising scrap values, more and more of the older A330s used for asian short-haul flying will get parted out prematurely), however in this case PR plans to transfer their current A330s to their LCC subsidiary Air Phil Express as their new A330s are delivered. Not sure about GA, but I suspect their older A333s are high cycle machines.

Quoting someone83 (Reply 28):
And it is not like it is a unique aircraft, just one out of several hundred of the same time. Aircrafts are a commodity.

Not if you are an airliners.netter.  
Quoting VV701 (Reply 38):
If not does anyone know what other reason it might have been ferried to SFB while its sister ship is still parked up at LHR?

While I would like to stay hopeful, many aircraft have been scrapped at SFB.  
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Sat Nov 03, 2012 4:40 pm

The following U2 B737-73V have been scrapped at Kemble.

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RE: BMI A330 G-WWBD To Be Parted Out

Sat Nov 03, 2012 5:02 pm

Here is the latest on the 737-700's

Scrapped

1450---EasyJet at Kemble
1453---EasyJet at Kemble
1495---EasyJet at Kemble

Derelict

205---Jet Konnect at MHV
223---Jet Konnect at MHV
702 ---ARAMCO at IND (very low hours and cycles and a surprising decision to scrap a corporate a/c)
815----Lauda at Kemble
835----Jet AW at GWO
874----Lauda at Kemble
1016--Jet AW at GWO

So total of 10 737-700's and at this point no 737-800's have hit the scrapper
 
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RE: BMI A330 G-WWBD To Be Parted Out

Sat Nov 03, 2012 6:29 pm

And one further observation relative to my note above...........some posters lump the 737-700 with the 737-600 and the A-318. In short they say all of these have limited resale value which may appear to be true. But what is most puzzling about the 737-700's is that 236 of these are still on order and they continue selling. Which make the scrappage of 10 737-700 airframes built since 2000 all the more puzzling. In effect it means that operators would rather wait for new a/c at new a/c prices than good late models at much lower prices. I hear all the arguments about the value of parts but I have to wonder if some of the computer models on "buy new versus buy used" are not flawed. Delta and Allegiant seem to feel differently about used a/c and thank goodness they do---but other airlines seem obsessed by buying new and waiting for deliveries.
 
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RE: BMI A330 G-WWBD To Be Parted Out

Sat Nov 03, 2012 6:49 pm

Sorry if this is maybe a daft question but do aircraft manufacturer give warranties on new aircraft, especially certain parts? Could this be why airlines buy new, not saying planes are like cars but at least new off the line comes with more benefits thrown in especially in this current climate where sales are precious.

It does seem crazy that we have DC-9, 737 classics and many other 20-30 year old planes flying around the world yet so many younger aircraft mentioned in post are parted out.
 
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RE: BMI A330 G-WWBD To Be Parted Out

Sat Nov 03, 2012 8:27 pm

Quoting n471wn (Reply 44):
236 of these are still on order and they continue selling

I think you'll find that when these role out of Renton they won't actually be 73Gs. Boeing allows customers to order the 737-700 as a "generic" 737, and then confirm which model they want at a certain time before delivery. For example I am pretty certain that all COs NG orders were listed as -700s.
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RE: BMI A330 G-WWBD To Be Parted Out

Sun Nov 04, 2012 3:33 pm

Quoting n471wn (Reply 44):
In effect it means that operators would rather wait for new a/c at new a/c prices than good late models at much lower prices. I hear all the arguments about the value of parts but I have to wonder if some of the computer models on "buy new versus buy used" are not flawed.

Well, my (uninformed) guess would be that it is more about the seller, precisely... that's more interested in the top value of the parts, over the low value of the complete aircraft.

The buyer might be interested, but not enough to compete with the used-parts-market for price. I'm a bit surprised, too, that TS, for instance, might not have those still youngish frames.
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RE: BMI A330 G-WWBD To Be Parted Out

Sun Nov 04, 2012 10:10 pm

Quoting n471wn (Reply 27):
agree with other posters that something is wrong with this industry when perfectly good a/c are scrapped-----it is wasteful and devalues the product.

Define 'perfectly good.' When an aircraft is worth more as parts, it is sold as parts. In reality, aircraft are sold in an auction like environment and if the highest bidder is a parts company, that is what the aircraft is worth. As already noted, this is an artifact of the high cost of replacement parts. However, the companies that sell those parts invest upfront and only make a profit as they overhaul used or sell new parts to the airlines. There is no 'just discount' the part as the airline is buying from the vendor directly.

The reality is the 736, A318, and A345 are worth far more as parts than operating airframes even if they were brand new.

Quoting Aircellist (Reply 47):
The buyer might be interested, but not enough to compete with the used-parts-market for price.

Exactly. If another airline is not willing to outbid the part company, the aircraft becomes parts. Aircraft are wonderful machines, but they will be bought for parts if a parting company believes they will make a profit.

Parting will become far more extensive with continued A330 production bye bye A345s and soon I suspect A346s. Soon as when VS and others return theirs off lease. The NEO and MAX will create a high demand for aftermarket A320 and 737 parts, so look to see the 73G and A319s to become donors. There is no malice in this, it is simply an auction and as more efficient planes enter the fleet less efficient will lose resale and be more profitable for parting companies.

Quoting bluesky73 (Reply 45):
Sorry if this is maybe a daft question but do aircraft manufacturer give warranties on new aircraft, especially certain parts?

Yes. It might not be Boeing or Airbus, but perhaps Thales, Pratt, GE, Meggitt, Honeywell, Parker, RR, or another vendor who must offer the warranties per manufacturer rules. It is more complex than buying a car where the dealer takes care of everything, but there is a maintenance holiday on a new aircraft. You are correct that some buy new as the resale value of the airframe is high enough that the maintenance holiday ensures a low enough cost per hour to shift the equation to buying new.

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RE: BMI A330 G-WWBD To Be Parted Out

Mon Nov 05, 2012 6:24 pm

Quoting zkojq (Reply 41):
While I would like to stay hopeful, many aircraft have been scrapped at SFB.

Okay, seeing these Airbus planes being ferried all the way to the States for scrapping seems to not make any sense? Why wouldn't they scrap Airbus aircraft in Europe and save some of the tons of $$$ and put the spares back in the system over there?

Just wondering?!

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