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RE: A380 Production Thread Part 13

Mon Apr 08, 2013 4:52 am

Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 196):
Pictures are coming in:

I rather like how they've adapted the livery for the size of the A380. I expected to say otherwise (or more likely, hold my tongue),

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RE: A380 Production Thread Part 13

Mon Apr 08, 2013 7:38 am

Hello

It could have been better with a more refined wing to body joint ... The grey of the wings is interrupting the blue belly line unfortunately (in my opinion)
 
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RE: A380 Production Thread Part 13

Mon Apr 08, 2013 9:39 am

Quoting Aviaponcho (Reply 201):
It could have been better with a more refined wing to body joint ... The grey of the wings is interrupting the blue belly line unfortunately (in my opinion)

From the side you are right, if however you were looking up in the sky as it flies overhead the blue and grey will look correct. Taking the blue higher up onto the fairing, would then spread it outwards when viewed in flight.
 
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RE: A380 Production Thread Part 13

Mon Apr 08, 2013 9:42 am

Quoting Semaex (Reply 199):
The only tiny bit I would change is the shade of blue. Darker would be nice.

This is likely a function of the colour temperature of the night time lighting.

Overcast daylight has a colour temperature of around 5,500 degrees Kelvin (the colour of a black body heated to 5,500 degrees Absolute or Kelvin).

Blue sky daylight can have a much higher colour temperature - 15.000 to 25,000 degrees Kelvin or even higher.

But photoflood lighting has a low colour temperature of around 3,200 degrees Kelvin and this is visually significantly different to daylight.

Variations in the colour of the illumination will change the apparent appearance of many different colours. So if you are trying to match colours, view the items you are trying to match under the lighting conditions they are most likely to be seen in. Two items that look to match in daylight can look very different to each other in tungsten light. Indeed back in the days of silver halide colour film the manufacturers produced two different types of colour positive (slide or cine) film "Daylight" (for daylight or electronic flash) and "Type A" (for 3,200 degree tungsten lighting). Hence "Kodachrome II" and "Kodachrome II Type A".

I am sure that the blue paint used by BA on their 380s will be the same as that used of all their other frames. It will look darker in daylight.
 
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RE: A380 Production Thread Part 13

Mon Apr 08, 2013 10:48 am

Sorry if this is a bit off the current topic (A380 livery production). Regarding thw wing fix:

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Work still is being performed on these aircraft, he adds. Last month, Lufthansa Technik Chairman August Wilhelm Henningsen told Aviation Week that the company was carrying out the permanent wing feet repairs on one of Lufthansa’s A380s at its Frankfurt facility, and that the retrofit takes 40 to 50 days.

The MRO division of the Lufthansa Group has contracts to perform the permanent retrofits on 31 A380s: 10 from Lufthansa’s fleet, 12 for Qantas and nine for Emirates Airline.

The work on the Qantas A380 fleet will be conducted at Lufthansa Technik’s facility in Manila, while Ameco Beijing will carry out the Emirates retrofits.

Air France Industries KLM Engineering & Maintenance, meanwhile, says it may perform permanent retrofits on Air France’s A380; until now, the temporary wing repairs of Air France’s fleet have been “mostly handed over to Airbus,” says AFI KLM E&M
http://www.aviationweek.com/Article....l/avd_04_03_2013_p03-01-565033.xml

40-50 days is a long time out of service but perhaps that is the time it would take for any company to do the work. I wonder how much it will cost Airbus to compensate airlines for roughly 100 x 40-50 days = 4,000-5,000 days loss of service + cost of doing the work if Airbus does not do it.
 
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RE: A380 Production Thread Part 13

Mon Apr 08, 2013 10:53 am

Quoting art (Reply 204):
40-50 days is a long time out of service but perhaps that is the time it would take for any company to do the work. I wonder how much it will cost Airbus to compensate airlines for roughly 100 x 40-50 days = 4,000-5,000 days loss of service + cost of doing the work if Airbus does not do it.

It was mentioned a while back that the work would be done in conjunction with a major check. I know that BA takes about 30 days to do a D check on a 744, on that basis its not a huge extra amount of down time.
 
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RE: A380 Production Thread Part 13

Mon Apr 08, 2013 12:37 pm

Quoting bongodog1964 (Reply 205):
It was mentioned a while back that the work would be done in conjunction with a major check. I know that BA takes about 30 days to do a D check on a 744, on that basis its not a huge extra amount of down time.

the first A380 structural check is due after 6000 flight hours, they can not wait so long.
 
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RE: A380 Production Thread Part 13

Mon Apr 08, 2013 1:12 pm

Quoting queb (Reply 206):
the first A380 structural check is due after 6000 flight hours, they can not wait so long.

Why not, after all many of the early 380's are way beyond 6000 hours now. Airbus was reported in January as offering a repair schedule that could be incorporated into the planes next C check. If the cut off tiem for the repair was 6000 hours there would be a lot of grounded 380's now, as thats only about 16 months utilisation.
 
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RE: A380 Production Thread Part 13

Tue Apr 09, 2013 9:18 am

MSN137 QR #1 has been confirmed as the new frame being carried on Convoy 2013/12. The convoy is currently on its way to TLS.

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RE: A380 Production Thread Part 13

Tue Apr 09, 2013 9:53 am

Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 208):
MSN137 QR #1 has been confirmed as the new frame being carried on Convoy 2013/12

And the first convoy with the modified wings. Great to see.
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RE: A380 Production Thread Part 13

Wed Apr 10, 2013 7:29 pm

MSN133, 37th to EK, had first flight and ferry to XFW today
 
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RE: A380 Production Thread Part 13

Thu Apr 11, 2013 7:42 am

According several sources Air France has negotiated a delivery delay of four A380 aircraft (two scheduled for 2013 and two for 2014), also one option has been cancelled.

See (Dutch only) : http://www.telegraaf.nl/dft/bedrijve...elt_levering_Airbussen_uit___.html

See (French only) : http://www.latribune.fr/entreprises-...ison-de-plusieurs-airbus-a380.html
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RE: A380 Production Thread Part 13

Thu Apr 11, 2013 7:58 am

There is/was only 1 AF delivery scheduled for this year (MSN 115).

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RE: A380 Production Thread Part 13

Thu Apr 11, 2013 8:21 am

I read the article and I'm wondering where they get that information. Air France last 2 units were already postponed until 2016 (a year ago). This is the current schedule I have:

- MSN115: 2013 delivery, currently in XFW for outfitting
- MSN117: 2014 delivery, will be on one of the next convoys
- MSN??? & MSN???: 2016 delivery, numbers not yet allocated

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RE: A380 Production Thread Part 13

Thu Apr 11, 2013 11:11 am

Ok, it seems like the Dutch websites have translated it incorrectly (as usual  ).

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Discussions therefore focus on four copies, which should be initially delivered in spring 2013 (for the 9th and 10th copies) in 2014 and for the last two. Asked Air France said finalizing discussions for the delivery of the ninth A380 is shifted to September 2013 as the tenth is in April 2014.

MSN115 AF #9 will be delivered in September 2013
MSN117 AF #10 will be delivered in April 2014

The delivery of MSN115 shifted a few months to September 2013 while MSN117 slips from 2013 into 2014, that also explains why the convoy of MSN117 is later than expected. And the last 2 units of the order of 12 will be delivered 'later', but as far as I know that has always been 2016.

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RE: A380 Production Thread Part 13

Thu Apr 11, 2013 8:56 pm

MSN5001, the fatigue test frame, is now being slowly dismantled. The fatigue testing comes to an end.

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Nach 8 Jahren Ermüdungstest des A380 bei der IMA/IABG in Dresden, wird dieser nun langsam demontiert. Der lange Zeitraum zeigt die Komplexität der neuen Werkstoffe und Konstruktion, und der damit verbundenen Probleme bzw. der neu eingeschlagenen Wege in der Luftfahrt.
Interessant dürft noch einmal der Abtransport der einzelnen Zellen werden, es sei denn, es wird alles fein säuberlich vor Ort zerlegt.

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After 8 years of fatigue testing of the A380 at the IMA / IABG in Dresden, this is now being slowly dismantled. The long period shows the complexity of the new materials and construction, and the associated problems and the newly chosen path in aviation. Dared to be interesting again, the removal of the individual cells, unless it is all disassembled neatly on the ground.
http://www.flugzeugforum.de/airbus-a...aktuell-23086-176.html#post1858525

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RE: A380 Production Thread Part 13

Tue Apr 16, 2013 6:24 am

Yesterday, both MSN127 (EK #37) and MSN131 (TG #6) had their first engine runs. So first flight and transfer to XFW shouldn't be that far away. MSN116 (EK #33) had its first cabin flight, so on schedule for a May delivery
 
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RE: A380 Production Thread Part 13

Mon Apr 22, 2013 10:52 am

MSN144, BA's #4, is being confirmed as the frame on convoy 13/2013
 
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RE: A380 Production Thread Part 13

Mon Apr 22, 2013 12:28 pm

The vertical tail section for the first A380 for Qatar Airways has been painted.

http://www.servimg.com/u/f79/17/03/84/59/a380_q10.jpg
 
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RE: A380 Production Thread Part 13

Mon Apr 22, 2013 12:39 pm

Quoting queb (Reply 218):
The vertical tail section for the first A380 for Qatar Airways has been painted.

That tail looks really small compared to the guys walking in front of it but I'm sure that's just the obtical illusion (the tail is probably much further away than you think it is on the photo).

In any case, that QR 380 will be one of the best looking 380's yet. I also love the BA 380 

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RE: A380 Production Thread Part 13

Mon Apr 22, 2013 12:41 pm

And here is the press release (including a high-res picture):

http://www.airbus.com/presscentre/pr...irst-a380-rolls-out-of-paint-shop/
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RE: A380 Production Thread Part 13

Mon Apr 22, 2013 12:47 pm

Quoting A388 (Reply 219):
In any case, that QR A380 will be one of the best looking 380's yet. I also love the BA 380 

I have high expectations of the QR-livery on the A380 as well.  .
 
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RE: A380 Production Thread Part 13

Mon Apr 22, 2013 2:12 pm

It seems that D-AIMB, the LH plane receiving the final wing crack fixes, did a test flight yesterday after being in maintenance for a long time.

http://www.flightradar24.com/data/airplanes/d-aimb
 
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RE: A380 Production Thread Part 13

Mon Apr 22, 2013 3:23 pm

Quoting A388 (Reply 219):
That tail looks really small compared to the guys walking in front of it but I'm sure that's just the obtical illusion (the tail is probably much further away than you think it is on the photo).

If you look at the building you see that the camera view is not horizontal, it is looking upwards...
 
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RE: A380 Production Thread Part 13

Mon Apr 22, 2013 3:47 pm

Another view:

http://pbs.twimg.com/media/BId2nlaCMAATIZY.jpg:large
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RE: A380 Production Thread Part 13

Mon Apr 22, 2013 8:02 pm

Quoting A388 (Reply 219):
That tail looks really small compared to the guys walking in front of it but I'm sure that's just the obtical illusion (the tail is probably much further away than you think it is on the photo).

I had the same feeling, until...

Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 224):
Another view:

Love the livery on the tail, think the Whale will look awesome in the Qatar colors...
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RE: A380 Production Thread Part 13

Wed Apr 24, 2013 3:12 am

MSN127, EK #38, had its first flight and transfer to XFW for outfitting yesterday. MSN131, TG #6, should follow soon
 
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RE: A380 Production Thread Part 13

Mon Apr 29, 2013 2:34 pm

Seems like MSN121, BA's 2nd, now is on the flightline in XFW fully painted
 
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RE: A380 Production Thread Part 13

Fri May 03, 2013 2:51 pm

MSN137 in body join:


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RE: A380 Production Thread Part 13

Fri May 03, 2013 4:32 pm

Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 215):
MSN5001, the fatigue test frame, is now being slowly dismantled. The fatigue testing comes to an end.

Heres a question, did the fatigue frame pick up the wing cracking issue?
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RE: A380 Production Thread Part 13

Fri May 03, 2013 4:38 pm

Quoting BoeingVista (Reply 229):
Heres a question, did the fatigue frame pick up the wing cracking issue?

As I understand it, the cracks were discovered during the inspection of the QF31 airframe after the engine failure.
 
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Fri May 03, 2013 4:41 pm

Correct. A blessing in disguise  
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Fri May 03, 2013 4:52 pm

Quoting Stitch (Reply 230):
As I understand it, the cracks were discovered during the inspection of the QF31 airframe after the engine failure.

Yes, I know this but did the fatigue test frame also see the cracking issue.
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Fri May 03, 2013 4:56 pm

As far as I know no cracks were discovered in the fatigue frame.
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RE: A380 Production Thread Part 13

Fri May 03, 2013 6:09 pm

Airbus delivered EK's 32th A380 today: MSN113 / AF-EEF.
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RE: A380 Production Thread Part 13

Mon May 06, 2013 4:50 pm

MSN095 engine run today.


(uploaded by XFW-Spotter)

http://www.flickr.com/photos/xfwspotter/8713713485/in/photostream

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RE: A380 Production Thread Part 13

Tue May 07, 2013 10:11 am

Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 235):
MSN095 engine run today.

And taxi test today:


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RE: A380 Production Thread Part 13

Tue May 07, 2013 10:15 am

Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 234):
Airbus delivered EK's 32th A380 today: MSN113 / AF-EEF.

Oops I meant 32nd, not 32th  

Anyway, Emirates has taken delivery of their 33th A380 today: MSN116 / A6-EEG.
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RE: A380 Production Thread Part 13

Tue May 07, 2013 10:41 am

Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 236):
And taxi test today:

She is quite a beauty in BA's colours. Thanks for posting the picture.  .
 
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RE: A380 Production Thread Part 13

Sat May 11, 2013 12:39 pm

Emirates number 45 (MSN141) is on its way to TLS (convoy 14/2013).

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Sat May 11, 2013 1:08 pm

Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 237):
Oops I meant 32nd, not 32th

Anyway, Emirates has taken delivery of their 33th A380 today: MSN116 / A6-EEG.

I think you meant 33rd there    .
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RE: A380 Production Thread Part 13

Mon May 13, 2013 1:37 pm

MSN119, EK #34, had it's CFF and MSN134, EK #39, was transfered TLS-XFW for outfitting today
 
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RE: A380 Production Thread Part 13

Mon May 13, 2013 9:01 pm

Quoting queb (Reply 242):

The QR livery on the A380 will be AMAZING. It will be on my top 3 favorite A380 liveries
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RE: A380 Production Thread Part 13

Mon May 13, 2013 9:53 pm

Quoting miami (Reply 243):
The QR livery on the A380 will be AMAZING. It will be on my top 3 favorite A380 liveries

KE, BA, and TH liveries look good on the A380. And QR´s colours will certainly suit it too.
 
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Tue May 14, 2013 10:10 am

Quoting queb (Reply 242):

Under tow to have her power plants fitted  http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7287/8737162254_5cc963686c_b.jpg

http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7288/8737161918_819966c7fc_b.jpg

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RE: A380 Production Thread Part 13

Tue May 14, 2013 11:38 am

Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 236):
Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 235):
MSN095 engine run today.

And taxi test today:


(uploaded by XFW-Spotter)

Q1. So can someone please tell me what they're doing with this one now in terms of outfitting and testing?

Q2. How far are we away from the actual delivery of this one?

Q3. How many BA A380s are up and "flying" now and where are they, Toulouse or Hamburg?

Sorry if I'm going over old ground here.....
 
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RE: A380 Production Thread Part 13

Tue May 14, 2013 11:41 am

Why are new Airbus planes always painted so patchily in different shades of green coating? Cant they decide on a single colour? It does look unprofessional and like a low quality product.
 
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RE: A380 Production Thread Part 13

Tue May 14, 2013 11:54 am

Quoting na (Reply 247):
Why are new Airbus planes always painted so patchily in different shades of green coating? Cant they decide on a single colour? It does look unprofessional and like a low quality product.

Different materials = different colors.

Quoting Jumpjet (Reply 246):
Q1. So can someone please tell me what they're doing with this one now in terms of outfitting and testing?

G-XLEA should have its CFF this week, if no issues are found the customer acceptance flight will follow afterwards.

Quoting Jumpjet (Reply 246):
Q2. How far are we away from the actual delivery of this one?

Delivery is slated for July.

Quoting Jumpjet (Reply 246):
Q3. How many BA A380s are up and "flying" now and where are they, Toulouse or Hamburg?

4 BA A380s are in different stages of assembly:

G-XLEA: rolled out at XFW, RTO last week, awaiting CFF
G-XLEB: rolled out at XFW, awaiting RTO
G-XLEC: undergoing cabin outfitting at XFW
G-XLED: undergoing body join at TLS

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RE: A380 Production Thread Part 13

Tue May 14, 2013 12:01 pm

Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 248):
4 BA A380s are in different stages of assembly:

G-XLEA: rolled out at XFW, RTO last week, awaiting CFF
G-XLEB: rolled out at XFW, awaiting RTO
G-XLEC: undergoing cabin outfitting at XFW
G-XLED: undergoing body join at TLS

Thanks KarelXWB.

Sorry, but what's RTO? CFF?

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