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RE: Copa, The 4 Longest 737 Flights In The World?

Sun Dec 02, 2012 9:43 am

Quoting SCQ83 (Reply 6):
How is their configuration in Economy? I can't imagine doing a LAX-PTY-MVD on both B737s!

I sat next to a guy who was doing LAX-PTY-GIG in Biz, which is like domestic F in NA. He got the flight for $1000 OW.
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RE: Copa, The 4 Longest 737 Flights In The World?

Sun Dec 02, 2012 9:50 am

It should not be forgotten that Copa's long routes are mostly on a North-South direction, so winds are much less of a problem than transcons, transatlantic or West Coast-Hawaii flights.

Quoting C010T3 (Reply 41):
Comfortably? Gol will block 24 to 34 seats on these trips

And if I'm not mistaken Gol is going to block some middle seats and sell the one's next as comfort class or something like that.

BTW, return flights from SDQ will surely be a lot harder on the birds with all those Brazilians carrying tons of outlet shopping items!
 
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RE: Copa, The 4 Longest 737 Flights In The World?

Sun Dec 02, 2012 11:08 am

Quoting Rafabozzolla (Reply 51):
And if I'm not mistaken Gol is going to block some middle seats and sell the one's next as comfort class or something like that.

Yes, but it won't be done for so many rows. It would be smart if Gol adapted their system to block as many middle seats needed and sell the neighbouring seats for more, but I don't believe they are flexible.
 
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RE: Copa, The 4 Longest 737 Flights In The World?

Sun Dec 02, 2012 11:32 am

Quoting LGWflyer (Reply 22):
I don't think we would see jetBlue or easyJet going trans-Atlantic with 737's anytime soon. JetBlue are first off all Airbus same as easyJet and they will probably both will most likely go for the A320/321 NEO. Plus they both would have to get ETOPS certified and so on. If B9 did get ETOPS they would fly to Hawaii before coming to Europe. Out of the 2 I'd say U2 would go trans-Atlantic first but with maybe an A330 as discussed in another thread.

EZY A320s are being ETOPS rated for the Icelandic routes.
 
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RE: Copa, The 4 Longest 737 Flights In The World?

Sun Dec 02, 2012 11:47 am

Quoting starrymarkb (Reply 53):
EZY A320s are being ETOPS rated for the Icelandic routes.

Interesting, I didn't think it was long enough for ETOPS.
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RE: Copa, The 4 Longest 737 Flights In The World?

Sun Dec 02, 2012 12:09 pm

What about AS ORD-ANC.

Or SY MSP to London.
 
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RE: Copa, The 4 Longest 737 Flights In The World?

Sun Dec 02, 2012 12:09 pm

Also TK IST-FIH is long + IST-DKR.

Maybe in Russia, some flights operated by S7 or Yakutia with 737-800 should be long too: DME-YKS or DME-Anadyr.
 
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RE: Copa, The 4 Longest 737 Flights In The World?

Sun Dec 02, 2012 12:12 pm

Quoting seahawks7757 (Reply 55):
Or SY MSP to London.

I don't think it would count as a fuel stop was needed at Gander along the way.
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RE: Copa, The 4 Longest 737 Flights In The World?

Sun Dec 02, 2012 12:13 pm

Looking at Great Circle Mapper it isn't. But I do recall an EZY pilot saying they were being trained up on it (so maybe they have something in the works but not sure what!)

Edit - IIRC it was a belt and braces in case the Faroe Islands were not available as an Alternate due to Weather

[Edited 2012-12-02 04:19:36]
 
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RE: Copa, The 4 Longest 737 Flights In The World?

Sun Dec 02, 2012 12:23 pm

Quoting starrymarkb (Reply 58):
Looking at Great Circle Mapper it isn't. But I do recall an EZY pilot saying they were being trained up on it (so maybe they have something in the works but not sure what!)

Sounds interesting. Yeah maybe they have had some thoughts about longer routes, I mean I don't see the worth of it to get to all the trouble of being ETOPS certified just for the Iceland route. If the route done poor after 6 months it would have been a waste, so yeah I look forward to see if they announce anything interesting.
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RE: Copa, The 4 Longest 737 Flights In The World?

Sun Dec 02, 2012 1:02 pm

So then we are in agreement that PTY-MVD is the longest 737 flight in the world at 7 hrs 15 mns?
 
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RE: Copa, The 4 Longest 737 Flights In The World?

Sun Dec 02, 2012 7:36 pm

Quoting as739x (Reply 10):
This means the rumored PTY-SFO would come in a solid 2nd place at 2885nm. Impressive, would now just like to see it happen.

If CM is to get a brand-new sky-interior B737-700 then PTY-SFO may happen, but probably it'd have to depart weight-restricted from PTY or make a tech-stop somewhere some days per year.

Here some distances in miles from PTY.. CM current and future (confirmed, rumoured); SEA shown as comparative since deliveries to CM usually fly non-stop from Seattle.,

PTY (9°04'17"N 79°23'00"W) CNF (19°38'01"S 43°58'08"W) 129.5° (SE) 3116 mi
PTY (9°04'17"N 79°23'00"W) GRU (23°25'55"S 46°28'10"W) 135.7° (SE) 3154 mi
PTY (9°04'17"N 79°23'00"W) POA (29°59'40"S 51°10'17"W) 146.1° (SE) 3277 mi
PTY (9°04'17"N 79°23'00"W) REC (8°07'36"S 34°55'23"W) 109.8° (E) 3284 mi
PTY (9°04'17"N 79°23'00"W) GIG (22°48'32"S 43°14'37"W) 132.4° (SE) 3285 mi
PTY (9°04'17"N 79°23'00"W) EZE (34°49'20"S 58°32'09"W) 156.8° (SE) 3313 mi
PTY (9°04'17"N 79°23'00"W) MVD (34°50'18"S 56°01'51"W) 154.4° (SE) 3385 mi
PTY (9°04'17"N 79°23'00"W) LAS (36°04'48"N 115°09'08"W) 315.2° (NW) 2916 mi
PTY (9°04'17"N 79°23'00"W) LAX (33°56'33"N 118°24'29"W) 310.6° (NW) 3010 mi

PTY (9°04'17"N 79°23'00"W) CWB (25°31'43"S 49°10'33"W) 140.2° (SE) 3129 mi
PTY (9°04'17"N 79°23'00"W) SSA (12°54'40"S 38°19'52"W) 117.6° (SE) 3199 mi
PTY (9°04'17"N 79°23'00"W) SFO (37°37'09"N 122°22'31"W) 313.3° (NW) 3320 mi
PTY (9°04'17"N 79°23'00"W) SEA (47°27'00"N 122°18'42"W) 324.5° (NW) 3643 mi

Quoting SCL767 (Reply 36):
CM does not even operate PTY-LAX 3x daily.

PTY-LAX frequency will go up to thrice daily.

Quoting nethkt (Reply 43):
I hope COPA considered a widebody jet soon.

Next year? I Doubt it, what it might happen is that CM will order a bigger plane, the B737-900ER to add capacity to destinations where it can't add frequencies. EZE could be one of those destinations.
CM ordering B737-700ER to fly transatlantic seems impossible, even if for at least fleet/crew commonality it could make sense.
CM not waiting for B787 and ordering B767-300ER now also looks like it's not on CM development plans.
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RE: Copa, The 4 Longest 737 Flights In The World?

Sun Dec 02, 2012 7:46 pm

Quoting g500 (Reply 8):
"How is their configuration in Economy? I can't imagine doing a LAX-PTY-MVD on both B737s!"

I'm sure Copa's in-flight service is probably very good, but doing back to back 7 hour flights in a 737? Hum no thanks.

A few years back I flew SFO - IAH - PTY - SCL all on 737's!!!! It was a Continental mileage reward flight and the connection times were actually very good - if I remember well it took about 17 hours which isn't bad for those 3 legs. Copa's service by the way is excellent. An extremely competent airline who I would be very happy to both fly and recommend.....that said would I choose to travel for 17 hours on 737's again.....not ideally.
 
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RE: Copa, The 4 Longest 737 Flights In The World?

Sun Dec 02, 2012 8:15 pm

Don't forget that BA use an A318 from JFK-LCY non stop.
 
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RE: Copa, The 4 Longest 737 Flights In The World?

Sun Dec 02, 2012 8:53 pm

Going a bit off topic, but still talking about the range of the 737NG:

The other day I was thinking about flights from Atlantic Canada to Europe. The only two services available are YYT-LHR (seasonal) and YHZ-LHR with AC. With the "disappearance" of BD it is now impossible connect in LHR to other places in Europe, thus forcing passengers who want to fly to places other than LHR to YUL or KL or BA could take great profit from flying their 73Gs (I don't know about 738s) in the case of KL or A319s in the case os BA into YYT, this way passengers would be able to connect to almost everywhere in Europe. Do you think this would be plausible? I know KLMs 737NGs are far from being the most comfortable airliners, I'm just talking about economical feasibility.

[Edited 2012-12-02 13:24:41]

[Edited 2012-12-02 13:44:20]
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RE: Copa, The 4 Longest 737 Flights In The World?

Sun Dec 02, 2012 9:53 pm

Quoting g500 (Reply 60):
So then we are in agreement that PTY-MVD is the longest 737 flight in the world at 7 hrs 15 mns?


I don't know for sure.
May anybody else post any longer flight here ?




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Quoting SCL767 (Reply 36):
CM does not even operate PTY-LAX 3x daily


CM PTY-LAX goes from 14x to 19x weekly; starting on December 22nd.
I made this flight in October. Practically fully packed planes in both directions !

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RE: Copa, The 4 Longest 737 Flights In The World?

Sun Dec 02, 2012 9:55 pm

Quoting SCQ83 (Reply 6):
How is their configuration in Economy? I can't imagine doing a LAX-PTY-MVD on both B737s!
Quoting C010T3 (Reply 41):
Comfortably? Gol will block 24 to 34 seats on these trips.

Are they profitable with that many seats in a 737 blocked?
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RE: Copa, The 4 Longest 737 Flights In The World?

Sun Dec 02, 2012 10:06 pm

Quoting brilondon (Reply 66):
Are they profitable with that many seats in a 737 blocked?

Well, the flights haven't been launched yet...
 
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RE: Copa, The 4 Longest 737 Flights In The World?

Sun Dec 02, 2012 10:08 pm

Quoting KLAM (Reply 64):
Going a bit off topic, but still talking about the range of the 737NG:

I thought pre-UA Continental could have flown B737-700 summertime (when usually no problems with head-winds westbound) between EWR and SNN/DUB/BFS/EDI/GLA perhaps even add between EWR and ADZ/NCL/SCQ.
Now that there are rumours UA should fly between BOS and London too, how about BOS to BFS and EDI or GLA non-stop w/B737-700?
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RE: Copa, The 4 Longest 737 Flights In The World?

Sun Dec 02, 2012 10:32 pm

Quoting 2travel2know2 (Reply 68):
I thought pre-UA Continental could have flown B737-700 summertime (when usually no problems with head-winds westbound) between EWR and SNN/DUB/BFS/EDI/GLA perhaps even add between EWR and ADZ/NCL/SCQ.
Now that there are rumours UA should fly between BOS and London too, how about BOS to BFS and EDI or GLA non-stop w/B737-700?

I kind of see a window of opportunity here too. The reason why I was talking about KL/BA or even EI flying into atlantic Canada is because that seems to be a pretty abandoned market which is mostly monopolized by Star Alliance (AC and UA). Deploying smaller a/c like the 73G and the A319 to destinations, where sending bigger a/c with longer range doesn't make any sense due to demand, might be a good idea. The reason I became interested on this is because I need to fly to Halifax from AMS soon, and I can't seem to find a comfortable connection. In most situations I need to either make two stops or fly airlines that do not codeshare. Then I started thinking about the people who want to get to Europe from those spots, they also need to fly a lot!
I know airlines have not chosen to fly their smaller birds transatlantic for some reason, but I think very few (AC on the YYT-LHR route) have actually tried it! Look at how everyone seems to be using their 757s nowadays! I personally wouldn't mind flying narrowbodies on longhaul, it somehow underscores the fact that distances have shrunken!  

[Edited 2012-12-02 14:33:45]
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RE: Copa, The 4 Longest 737 Flights In The World?

Sun Dec 02, 2012 10:53 pm

Quoting seahawks7757 (Reply 55):
Or SY MSP to London.

I'm almost positive that this was operated with a stop in NYC (or somewhere else), see below.

Quoting AirGabon (Reply 56):
I don't think it would count as a fuel stop was needed at Gander along the way.

Also:
Longest Route For The 737 (by Jamesbaldwyn Apr 14 2007 in Civil Aviation)
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RE: Copa, The 4 Longest 737 Flights In The World?

Sun Dec 02, 2012 10:55 pm

Quoting CalebWilliams (Reply 70):
I'm almost positive that this was operated with a stop in NYC (or somewhere else), see below.

The fuel stop was in Gander.
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RE: Copa, The 4 Longest 737 Flights In The World?

Mon Dec 03, 2012 4:18 am

CM business model uses a lot these "long haul" flights with the 738/73G and in fact, they are very profitable nowadays and continue to expand this network. Their business is nice (i flew once GIG-PTY-JFK) and their economy, not so bad compared to some widebodies with higher density.

Another very long one: PTY-REC with 2853 nm, almost the same as PTY-GIG.
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RE: Copa, The 4 Longest 737 Flights In The World?

Mon Dec 03, 2012 2:49 pm

Copa regularly comes up when I'm searching fares to South America/Central America. Though its fares are good, I have shied away from the airline precisely due to the length of the flights in a 737.
 
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RE: Copa, The 4 Longest 737 Flights In The World?

Mon Dec 03, 2012 6:26 pm

Quoting A340crew (Reply 32):
Maybe we will see Ryan Air starting a DUB-BOS

OK I think that would be at bit much for the pax... its cramped as it is, but for a TATL would be unbearable IMHO...
 
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RE: Copa, The 4 Longest 737 Flights In The World?

Mon Dec 03, 2012 7:07 pm

Not sure if mentioned yet, but FJ has been operating the 738 for years HNL-NAN which is all over-water and not much shorter than CM-s longest 737 routes. A one time the FJ service continued to YVR but they dropped the HNL-YVR leg a couple of years ago.

HNL-NAN 2748 nm
PTY-EZE 2879 nm
PTY-MVD 2941 nm

Also, CM uses the 73G, not the 738, on PTY-MVD, at least according to published schedules..

Quoting g500 (Reply 8):
I can't imagine doing a LAX-PTY-MVD on both B737s
Quoting KaiTak747 (Reply 23):
That would not be an enjoyable flight on a 737. It makes me wonder why COPA don't buy used 757s,

Why not? The 737 fuselage cross section is the same width as the 757. For the passenger, given the same seat pitch, there's no difference.

Quoting CO777DAL (Reply 42):
Here is new First Class seats on the 737-800s on Copa.

Business class, not first. I don't believe Copa has ever marketed a first class product.

Quoting bakersdozen (Reply 20):
Happens already with air canadas st johns to london flights on a319's in the summer.

AC has several A319 nonstop routes longer than YYT-LHR.
 
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RE: Copa, The 4 Longest 737 Flights In The World?

Tue Dec 04, 2012 2:33 pm

Quoting Viscount724 (Reply 75):
A one time the FJ service continued to YVR but they dropped the HNL-YVR leg a couple of years ago.

The only time I departed from YVR I happen to see that FJ B737 NAN bound there.
I'd believe that NAN bound passengers didn't enjoy having to go thru YVR U.S: port of entry formalities in order to fly to NAN because the flight made an stop in HNL: That I guess killed FJ YVR service.

Quote:
Also, CM uses the 73G, not the 738, on PTY-MVD, at least according to published schedules..

I'd think CM could deploy B737-800 to MVD and maybe it does, but most likely CM wouldn't like to have MVD-PTY flights make a tech stop in CLO that often.

Quote:
The 737 fuselage cross section is the same width as the 757. For the passenger, given the same seat pitch, there's no difference.

That surely is an argument in favour of CM flying B737-700ER between PTY and MAD.
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RE: Copa, The 4 Longest 737 Flights In The World?

Wed Dec 05, 2012 3:56 am

CM is now using the new Boeing design interior 737800 on the EZE and GRU flights.   

link:http://www.copaair.com/sites/CC/ES/Nuestros-Productos/Pages/entretenimiento.aspx
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RE: Copa, The 4 Longest 737 Flights In The World?

Wed Dec 05, 2012 2:45 pm

Quoting ukoverlander (Reply 62):

I flew Copa and CO between LIM-PTY-IAH and found COPAs service much better than UA (then CO). Hot meals, complimentary alcohol, fairly good legroom in economy when compared to CO, which grudgingly served the meal.

It appears that Copa does not carry much freight, they concentrate more on the passengers.

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