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Quoting Gonzalo (Thread starter): The former CEO of IATA, G. Bisignani, said in a statement that London Heathrow Airport has lost its position as Europe’s primary hub airport, due to its runway capacity shortage, and the better performance of direct competitors as FRA, CDG and AMS. |
Quoting factsonly (Reply 4): PASSENGERS - last 12 months upto July 2012: |
Quoting Gonzalo (Thread starter): said in a statement that London Heathrow Airport has lost its position as Europe’s primary hub airport |
Quoting factsonly (Reply 4): PASSENGERS - last 12 months upto July 2012: - LHR 69 866 219 = 1.7 - CDG 61 747 867 = 2.7 - FRA 57 533 259 = 4.0 - AMS 50 686 048 = 5.1 |
Quoting miaintl (Reply 3): The only solution to London's LHR problem is for them to build a new international airport near the Thames estuary which will replace LHR. |
Quoting raffik (Reply 5): That completely contradicts the poster's claim that LHR was losing the battle. |
Quoting AndyEastMids (Reply 7): Who says LHR really needs to be a (or the) hub for Europe? |
Quoting jporterfi (Reply 1): I'm surprised that's the only reason! From a passenger perspective, if I had to choose one of those airport to connect at, there's a good chance it wouldn't be LHR. IMO, they need to rethink their terminals when they create their next Master Plan. It takes a very long time to travel from security to your gate at LHR, plus with only two runways at BA's largest hub, I not surprised that those other airports are performing better (at least in terms of flights being on-time). |
Quoting AndyEastMids (Reply 12): Whilst some LHR routes undoubtedly benefit from transfer traffic, I don't believe LHR needs to be dependent on transfer traffic and as growth continues LHR will continue to thrive serving UK markets. |
Quoting AndyEastMids (Reply 7): they don't spend in hotels bars and restaurants or on taxis and other travel etc and hubbing passengers don't do business in the UK. So if Johnny Foreigner goes elsewhere in Europe just to change planes, let them get on with it. |
Quoting fcogafa (Reply 15): 34% pax are transitting Creates many jobs Creates more routes that wouldn't be sustainable without hubbing |
Quoting SKAirbus (Reply 11): The only problem really now is runway capacity... but unfortunately the government are in deadlock.. They see the need for it but bearing in mind there are a lot of Tory voters under the flightpath, it would be tantamount to political suicide. Thena gain if LHR gets moved, who will be the first to complain... said Tory voters. |
Quoting spud757 (Reply 18): Heathrow needs direct connection to the UK national rail network, preferably the new HS one. |
Quoting spud757 (Reply 18): Domestic air connections in the UK are discouraged by high APD so LHR needs to be connected to the nation by rail. |
Quoting hohd (Reply 21): In FRA, the departure terminals are cramped and you have to take trams and walk a lot to transfer. |
Quoting hohd (Reply 21): Only at AMS, the transfer is smooth |
Quoting AndyEastMids (Reply 7): Hubbing transfer passengers don't do that much for the UK economy - they don't stay in the country, they don't spend in hotels bars and restaurants or on taxis and other travel etc and hubbing passengers don't do business in the UK. |
Quoting Lufthansa (Reply 24): what about the heathwick idea? The high speed train linking the two airports in 15 mins, after security to act as a 'seemless' connection? |
Quoting EPA001 (Reply 22): But the walking distances can also be quite big. Also the "one terminal concept" has its limitations. But of these 4 airports I do like AMS best |
Quoting factsonly (Reply 13): USA: - FRA = 21 - CDG = 21 - LHR = 21 - AMS = 19 |
Quoting hohd (Reply 21): And the number of cities served by LHR to USA consistently is much higher than any European airport, inspite of what is mentioned above. |
Quoting raffik (Reply 5): That completely contradicts the poster's claim that LHR was losing the battle. |
Quoting finnishway (Reply 8): even a decade to develop |
Quoting fcogafa (Reply 32): I can do the LHR 21 |
Quoting AirbusA6 (Reply 35): Apart from anything else, surely it's misleading comparing LHR to AMS and FRA as they are ONE airport cities, which London isn't. For the people of London, it's a massive benefit to have LGW, STN, LTN and LCY as alternatives, rather than having to trek to a 4 runway single hub airport. |
Quoting brilondon (Reply 30): The fact that London is a major financial hub and also a major tourist centre attracting millions of people per year to it would still make LHR relevant. I don't want to go to CDG or AMS when I am going to Britain for business. |
Quoting brilondon (Reply 30): is number one today and for the foreseeable future will continue to be number one. |
Quoting 777klm (Reply 36): Although I agree with you that LHR is far from loosing out, you do realize there's more than just transatlantic service? |
Quoting factsonly (Reply 13): USA:- FRA = 21- CDG = 21- LHR = 21- AMS = 19 |
Quoting Gonzalo (Reply 10): Quoting raffik (Reply 5): That completely contradicts the poster's claim that LHR was losing the battle. It's not "my" claim, I'm just posting here a statement of Mr. Bisignani. Quoting AndyEastMids (Reply 7): Who says LHR really needs to be a (or the) hub for Europe? Willie Walsh ? |
Quoting raffik (Reply 45): I was shocked at FRA. It was a very dark and dingy airport- low ceilings and quite gloomy. |
Quoting AndyEastMids (Reply 7): LHR hasn't lost it's position for largest number if passengers, just as a hub. |
Quoting offloaded (Reply 16): FRA is fighting its own battle. Frankfurt Night Flight Ban |
Quoting tommyy (Reply 41): and I am not even mentioning the ridiculous fees they charge for business class passengers just for the pleasure of flying thru the airport |
Quoting r2rho (Reply 47): It's quite ironic - now that the 4th runway has solved the capacity issue and would enable FRA's further development as a world gateway, they are shot in the foot by the night ban. FRA's hub status is certainly under threat as well. |
Quoting miaintl (Reply 3): The only solution to London's LHR problem is for them to build a new international airport near the Thames estuary which will replace LHR. |