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RE: First Flying A350 Prototype Rolls Out

Wed Dec 05, 2012 2:30 am

Quoting N62NA (Reply 28):
Though I'm happy that finally they got rid of that awful "tapering" or whatever you call it that was at the rear of the plane where the last few rows of windows were moving higher and higher the further back you went.

Couldn't agree with you more. It was making my OCD go out of control.
 
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RE: First Flying A350 Prototype Rolls Out

Wed Dec 05, 2012 2:34 am

Quoting cosyr (Reply 99):
it looks like a Russian plane

That isn't a bad thing. Lots of Russain planes look better than their Airbus/Boeing counterparts.
 
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RE: First Flying A350 Prototype Rolls Out

Wed Dec 05, 2012 2:43 am

Quoting Braybuddy (Reply 92):
This would have looked great thirty years ago, but now it's just yet another uninteresting-looking twinjet.

Right. You could say forty years ago. Without the wingtips it is like an overgrown Dassault Mercure of the 60'es. If only the Mercure had got its intended engine - the SNECMA M56 instead of the PW JT8D, then except for the wingtips (and size) we would have to go to wheel count to distinguish the A350 from a 45 years old Mercure.


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Still I think they are immensely beautiful all of them. Comet, Mercure, B367-80 - and A350.
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RE: First Flying A350 Prototype Rolls Out

Wed Dec 05, 2012 2:47 am

Quoting tdscanuck (Reply 84):
The same requirements at basically the same size being solved by the same physics and same technology...shocker, they look the same.

Shocking indeed - what were the odds of that happening?  Wow!
I want to see it all decked out with engines and winglets and a nice coat of paint in daylight. She'll be a beauty I'm sure.
 
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RE: First Flying A350 Prototype Rolls Out

Wed Dec 05, 2012 2:56 am

Not bad looking, and I think it looks 757-ish too.

I'm surprised it looks kinda skinny. Strapping the engines on will probably add perspective and fatten it up.
 
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RE: First Flying A350 Prototype Rolls Out

Wed Dec 05, 2012 3:16 am

Quoting wilco737 (Thread starter):
What do you guys think? Like? Dislike?

I would have to see it completed, but so far it looks heavy and weird.
 
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RE: First Flying A350 Prototype Rolls Out

Wed Dec 05, 2012 4:10 am

Holy ground clearance. That plane has long legs. I can't wait to see it officially rollout after paint. It is going to be a beautiful plane.
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RE: First Flying A350 Prototype Rolls Out

Wed Dec 05, 2012 4:12 am

Quoting kaitak (Reply 46):
The nose is very similar to the 787

No, it's not.

Quoting LostSound (Reply 52):
I hope they paint the window gaps like they have in all of their press images.

Yeah, they appear to have conceded it's necessary to make it aesthetically appealing. Pug ugly otherwise.

Quoting LH600 (Reply 59):
It will look a lot better with the the nose gear's forward-front doors closed while the undercarriage is extended.

I agree - the forward nose doors are so long that they extend up the nose itself. Is this a normal feature of in-production frames?

Quoting DocLightning (Reply 61):
Obviously, Airbus has little regard for the external aesthetic of their aircraft (I get the sense that they care even less about it than Boeing)

I think Boeing actually hired a design specialist with the 787 - while they snipped a lot of his ideas (I think he worked on the vertical stabiliser in particular), I think they did actually make an effort to stylise the 787 as much as possible.

And have you seen the pics of the JAL 787 at San Diego? Spectacular and really showed off how sleek it is.

Quoting bjwonline (Reply 66):
To me the cockpit windows look a bit creepy, kind of like a gas mask from WWII. I'm just not sure, the whole thing just looks a bit awkward, I wish I waited now to not see it until official roll-out...

Yeah that's an interesting comparison. I can see the resemblance.

Overall, it lacks the sleek look of the 787, which I think pulls it off despite the "stubby" boddy. So far, the 350 is shaping up to be the most generic twin widebody yet.
 
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RE: First Flying A350 Prototype Rolls Out

Wed Dec 05, 2012 4:30 am

Quoting aerokiwi (Reply 107):
Overall, it lacks the sleek look of the 787, which I think pulls it off despite the "stubby" boddy. So far, the 350 is shaping up to be the most generic twin widebody yet.

I think that title has to go to the 767.
 
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RE: First Flying A350 Prototype Rolls Out

Wed Dec 05, 2012 4:36 am

Quoting airbuster (Reply 77):
Not looking forward to flying this one.

seriously? Because of its looks? Hard for me to imagine any member of this site making such a statement w/o even flying the thing; but then again, it is your right.

For me, I want to fly on as many different planes as I can, so long it's not proven unsafe! Long live aviation, long live innovation and long live variety.
 
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RE: First Flying A350 Prototype Rolls Out

Wed Dec 05, 2012 5:04 am

That is one ugly aircraft - too bad.
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RE: First Flying A350 Prototype Rolls Out

Wed Dec 05, 2012 5:49 am

At first glance I thought it was a 757 haha! Didn't really seem to get the hype that the 787 got that's for sure!!
 
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RE: First Flying A350 Prototype Rolls Out

Wed Dec 05, 2012 5:50 am

757 and VC-10 are my all time favourites. I'm adding this one to that list.

Great pane, different looking and I can't wait to see it rotate and rocket into the sky.

Anybody know when we can expect it to appear with engines and paint?
 
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RE: First Flying A350 Prototype Rolls Out

Wed Dec 05, 2012 5:57 am

Her wings look beautiful when viewed from the rear.

Thank you Airbus UK, for designing another set of graceful wings. I expect this bird to exceed expectations in flight testing.
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RE: First Flying A350 Prototype Rolls Out

Wed Dec 05, 2012 6:12 am

The nose section of A350 XWB reminds me of Space Shuttle.

In my eyes 787 and A340 are the sexiest bird around, 787 quoting - as others have said - Caravelle/Comet and displaying great proportions. A340 is just sheer elegance.

I like either the more stubby fraction with beautiful birds like A300/310, B737 short versions, B767 or
long, elegantly stretched birds like A330/A340, B777.

B747 has never really appealed to me. B757 and A380 are the least beautiful birds to me.
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RE: First Flying A350 Prototype Rolls Out

Wed Dec 05, 2012 6:16 am

Quoting tdscanuck (Reply 96):
Nobody that's making a purchase decision cares what they look like from the outside...they care what they look like from the inside. And they're both *awesome*.

Well, they mostly care about what the balance sheets say...

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RE: First Flying A350 Prototype Rolls Out

Wed Dec 05, 2012 6:31 am

Looks great to me! The nose is interesting, clearly inherited a lot from the A380 and those cockpit windows give it a very mean look, especially when viewed head on.

The winglets will be the cherry on the cake for this aircraft I think, almost like a half blended winglet and half raked wingtip.



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RE: First Flying A350 Prototype Rolls Out

Wed Dec 05, 2012 7:29 am

Quoting Braybuddy (Reply 92):
Another boring underwing twin without even the graceful upsweep taper of the A330 to make it visually appealing. This would have looked great thirty years ago, but now it's just yet another uninteresting-looking twinjet.   

Can never please a.netters can they? lol. Im not targeting you in any way at all, but I think we just need to get with the times, Theres nothing wrong with you thinking its another boring aircraft, but its not everyones opinion to think all next generation twin jets are boring. They still come in all shapes and sizes and just because they dont have 3 or more engines like previous generation aircraft doesnt mean they are boring... But thats just my opinion.
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RE: First Flying A350 Prototype Rolls Out

Wed Dec 05, 2012 7:32 am

Quoting EPA001 (Reply 81):
So all comments so far about ugly should be taken at least with 1,000 lbs grain of salt. Wait till the full airplane has been assembled and look again. To me she is looking better already then what I have seen on the renders.



I am afarid that people underestimate how much paint will do - in particular to the nose section as it is now having several shades of green.

Quoting prebennorholm (Reply 102):
Without the wingtips it is like an overgrown Dassault Mercure of the 60'es


??? I fail to see any significant similarity at all (save from being a twin with engines mounted on the wing). At least one of us must be in dire need new glasses  Wow!
 
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RE: First Flying A350 Prototype Rolls Out

Wed Dec 05, 2012 7:55 am

The brutal fact is commercial aviation economics are driven by those that travel inside the plane, not those that look at it from the other side of the airport fence = I doesn't matter what it looks like!
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RE: First Flying A350 Prototype Rolls Out

Wed Dec 05, 2012 8:09 am

What an awkward looking aircraft. I am sure it will be beautiful once completed though...  
 
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Wed Dec 05, 2012 8:53 am

It looks awesome. I like the nose/window configuration/shape. Also, once installed, the belly fairing with its long rearward strake will look sweet. I think it'll be a great looking aircraft. I have a 1:200 model of the current 350 shape on my desk, and it is going to be a very attractive bird.
 
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RE: First Flying A350 Prototype Rolls Out

Wed Dec 05, 2012 9:10 am

Quoting 817Dreamliiner (Reply 117):
Can never please a.netters can they? lol. Im not targeting you in any way at all, but I think we just need to get with the times, Theres nothing wrong with you thinking its another boring aircraft, but its not everyones opinion to think all next generation twin jets are boring. They still come in all shapes and sizes and just because they dont have 3 or more engines like previous generation aircraft doesnt mean they are boring... But thats just my opinion.

Looks like I'm showing my age, but there was a time when you could very easily pick out aircraft from a distance! I know the reasons why aircraft are evolving to practically the same shape, so it seems we're stuck with underwing twins for everything that flies, apart from VLAs, until some other form of transport is devised. The beautiful upsweep of the A330 can't have been that bad for economics given it's track record, and it's a shame Airbus didn't stick with this design instead of going for a standard tubular design with the A350.

The fact that the underwing twin has become the standard design for most modern aircraft will probably make manufacturers baulk at going down the BWB route, as no doubt airlines will need a lot of convincing to commit to anything the flying public would consider too revolutionary, no matter what the economics are.

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RE: First Flying A350 Prototype Rolls Out

Wed Dec 05, 2012 9:57 am

Quoting Braybuddy (Reply 122):

I understand where your coming from. Even though im in my 20s, ive had my share of spotting of the previous generation of aircraft and you are right that you could spot them from a distance. It may be harder now that most designs are going to the tube with wings with underwing engines, but for me I still get excited seeing any aircraft, even new ones like the 787 and hopefully the A350. But I guess in a few years from now ill be saying the same as you...
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RE: First Flying A350 Prototype Rolls Out

Wed Dec 05, 2012 10:02 am

Quoting EPA001 (Reply 81):
Quoting baldwin471 (Reply 82):

Guys I completely understand what you mean. But I should have elaborated my comment, I mean it from a Pilot's point of view. I'm not looking forward to actually flying as in piloting this one. I think the nose is really ugly and otherwise nothing special about it. At this point it looks as if I wouldn't feel very proud of the machine I'm flying. If I have the choice to fly something else I'd happily take it.

I don't know if you understand what I mean but even if it's a great machine but ugly that does play it down. It's a bit like you prefer to drive a Mercedes than a Dacia.

I'm sure someone will find something to flame about in this post but the bottom line is. I like good looking things and that includes the plane i'm flying!
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RE: First Flying A350 Prototype Rolls Out

Wed Dec 05, 2012 10:05 am

Congratulations to Airbus on reaching this milestone. Personally, I think the A350 is a fine looking aircraft. I don't understand why people are calling it "ugly". Maybe that's just me.

Quoting 817Dreamliiner (Reply 117):
I think we just need to get with the times, Theres nothing wrong with you thinking its another boring aircraft, but its not everyones opinion to think all next generation twin jets are boring. They still come in all shapes and sizes and just because they dont have 3 or more engines like previous generation aircraft doesnt mean they are boring... But thats just my opinion.

  

Well said. We do indeed need to move ahead with the times. It is because of advancements in technology that we're able to see efficient twin jets fulfilling missions that used to be the domain of quad engined jets. I think such advancements in technology should be celebrated.

For the eagle eyed plane spotter, it is not that difficult to pick one twin widebody from the other, although I will grant that it would be a more difficult task for the novice as there are fewer distinguishing features.
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RE: First Flying A350 Prototype Rolls Out

Wed Dec 05, 2012 10:54 am

Quoting CXB77L (Reply 125):
I think such advancements in technology should be celebrated.

I certainly find nothing to celebrate about negative developments in design, developments that lead to less variety and less attractiveness. Granted, there are clever technological evolutions INSIDE, less fuel consumption, new materials, aerodynamic detailing etc (three cheers to the engineers!) but all that is clad in increasingly boring generic tubes with wings (three boohs for the designers and responsible managers!)
 
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RE: First Flying A350 Prototype Rolls Out

Wed Dec 05, 2012 12:16 pm

Quoting na (Reply 126):
I certainly find nothing to celebrate about negative developments in design, developments that lead to less variety and less attractiveness. Granted, there are clever technological evolutions INSIDE, less fuel consumption, new materials, aerodynamic detailing etc (three cheers to the engineers!) but all that is clad in increasingly boring generic tubes with wings (three boohs for the designers and responsible managers!)

...and the airlines can't care less about that. As said before, planes don't sell on their visual merits (like some cars). The A-380 has proven to be quite arodynamic. Look what happened to the 787's tail; engineering trumps design; Form follows function.

Pesonally, I am pleased with what I see so far!
 
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Wed Dec 05, 2012 12:18 pm

I will echo the 757 sentiments. But it needs engines for proper visual balance.
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RE: First Flying A350 Prototype Rolls Out

Wed Dec 05, 2012 12:24 pm

Quoting airbuster (Reply 124):
I think the nose is really ugly and otherwise nothing special about it.

If I am not mistaken this is the first Airbus which is equipped with curved windows in the cockpit. That is already very special and will show a lot better when the paint job is done. Like I said before, just wait and see.

And piloting an aircraft from the most modern cockpit in civilian airliners, and also from a very roomy, comfortable and quiet cockpit, what more could you ask for if you were going to pilot the A350-XWB?  .

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RE: First Flying A350 Prototype Rolls Out

Wed Dec 05, 2012 1:02 pm

Quoting EPA001 (Reply 129):
what more could you ask for if you were going to pilot the A350-XWB

A reading light that would allow for the illumination of enroute maps when unfolded to around the size of a newspaper, nice shades that can block the sun out when it is low on the horizon. The ability to load frequencies from the electronic charts into the standby position of radio. Higher humidity, lower noise, better temperature control, and its own fresh air supply that is greater than the cabin (keep smoke/fumes from elsewhere in the airframe out of the cockpit).

Maybe even extend the fuel interning system to supply the cargo hold and avionics bays as well.
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RE: First Flying A350 Prototype Rolls Out

Wed Dec 05, 2012 1:07 pm

Quoting motorhussy (Reply 60):
It will look a lot better with the the nose gear's forward-front doors closed while the undercarriage is extended.
Quoting aerokiwi (Reply 107):
I agree - the forward nose doors are so long that they extend up the nose itself. Is this a normal feature of in-production frames?

the nosegear doors look odd. reminds me of another plane but I can't put my finger on it right now. sort of like a Canadair CL-215. I wonder how much wind will be whipping around in the gear bay., and the noise it will create.

Looks nice, hard to get the scale without engines, but the guy standing under it in the first pic helps.

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RE: First Flying A350 Prototype Rolls Out

Wed Dec 05, 2012 1:28 pm

Quoting zeke (Reply 130):
A reading light that would allow for the illumination of enroute maps when unfolded to around the size of a newspaper, nice shades that can block the sun out when it is low on the horizon. The ability to load frequencies from the electronic charts into the standby position of radio. Higher humidity, lower noise, better temperature control, and its own fresh air supply that is greater than the cabin (keep smoke/fumes from elsewhere in the airframe out of the cockpit).

Maybe even extend the fuel interning system to supply the cargo hold and avionics bays as well.

Zeke, is Airbus (and B for that matter) doing anything with comments from flight crew like yourselves in designing their new aircraft?
 
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RE: First Flying A350 Prototype Rolls Out

Wed Dec 05, 2012 1:37 pm

Airbus have done a great job stylizing the A350. Once the wing tips go on it will look one very graceful bird.

It all looks very sleek.
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RE: First Flying A350 Prototype Rolls Out

Wed Dec 05, 2012 1:38 pm

Quoting shamrock350 (Reply 116):
Looks great to me! The nose is interesting, clearly inherited a lot from the A380 and those cockpit windows give it a very mean look, especially when viewed head on.

Yeah, mean is what they are going for, then a goatee painted on the front to try to improve its look.

Quoting na (Reply 126):
I certainly find nothing to celebrate about negative developments in design, developments that lead to less variety and less attractiveness. Granted, there are clever technological evolutions INSIDE, less fuel consumption, new materials, aerodynamic detailing etc (three cheers to the engineers!) but all that is clad in increasingly boring generic tubes with wings (three boohs for the designers and responsible managers!)

I see your point, but you know why all aircraft seem to be boring? It is because they have design parameters they have to go by and most of the design is done by computer on a computer so there is going to be an inherit similarity to the aircraft. Look at the way the new cars are all looking the same, same principal, it's because they all designed by a computer. You, and I am talking to all the people who think that aircraft are boring should look at the differences that have increased the profitability of the aircraft to be sold to the airline industry, they don't look for how the design looks, but for the increases in money they make the airline.
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RE: First Flying A350 Prototype Rolls Out

Wed Dec 05, 2012 3:59 pm

Quoting zeke (Reply 130):
Maybe even extend the fuel interning system to supply the cargo hold and avionics bays as well

I shudder to think about a meeting with the regulators where you propose to pump low oxygen air into the pressurized cabin volume.

Quoting Focker (Reply 132):
Zeke, is Airbus (and B for that matter) doing anything with comments from flight crew like yourselves in designing their new aircraft?

Boeing has, not sure about Airbus. Higher humidity, lower noise, better temperature control, and dedicated fresh positive air supply to the flight deck are all on the 787.

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Wed Dec 05, 2012 4:29 pm

Quoting Focker (Reply 132):
Zeke, is Airbus (and B for that matter) doing anything with comments from flight crew like yourselves in designing their new aircraft?

They do, however the message sometimes gets lots in translation between the end use and the designer, they have different points of view, and different ways to assess the objective.

Quoting tdscanuck (Reply 135):
I shudder to think about a meeting with the regulators where you propose to pump low oxygen air into the pressurized cabin volume.

Regulators seem to be happy enough to dump a whole heap of halon and then trickle feed it for hours to meet current regulations. This is the sort of alternative I was thinking of http://www.nfpa.org/assets/files/PDF...ndation%20proceedings/Goldburg.pdf

Quoting tdscanuck (Reply 135):

Boeing has, not sure about Airbus. Higher humidity, lower noise, better temperature control, and dedicated fresh positive air supply to the flight deck are all on the 787.

On paper, often does not translate into what the end user desires.
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RE: First Flying A350 Prototype Rolls Out

Wed Dec 05, 2012 5:08 pm

Quoting TJCAB (Reply 127):
...and the airlines can't care less about that. As said before, planes don't sell on their visual merits (like some cars). The A-380 has proven to be quite arodynamic. Look what happened to the 787's tail; engineering trumps design; Form follows function.

So what. I must not follow the preferences of the airlines´ beancounters, I can say what I think, and I dont like what I see. period. Form follows function, in aviation probably more than anywhere else, sure. But that doesnt mean this form is pretty.
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RE: First Flying A350 Prototype Rolls Out

Wed Dec 05, 2012 5:38 pm

Quoting motorhussy (Reply 67):
its unusual - Comet, Caravelle

Just a quick note: If I remember correctly, the Caravelle used the Comet nose.

I have to agree with the people who have referenced the Vanguard. I would also suggest that the A350 nose has a small resemblance to the Nimrod:


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Wed Dec 05, 2012 9:33 pm

Quoting bjwonline (Reply 66):
To me the cockpit windows look a bit creepy, kind of like a gas mask from WWII. I'm just not sure, the whole thing just looks a bit awkward, I wish I waited now to not see it until official roll-out...

I agree. I understand the shape of the nose is determined by aerodynamics... but how about the shape of the cockpit windows? Any reason they have to look so weird? I amcurious to know from the experts here: What would have prevented them from retaining the A300/330/340 window shape, or indeed going with the sexy "shades" look in their earlier renderings?
 
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RE: First Flying A350 Prototype Rolls Out

Wed Dec 05, 2012 9:39 pm

Quoting rikkus67 (Reply 138):
I have to agree with the people who have referenced the Vanguard. I would also suggest that the A350 nose has a small resemblance to the Nimrod:

  

Quoting wilco737 (Thread starter):
Pictures of the first A350.

What do you guys think? Like? Dislike?

I'll bet it will look much better in fully assembled form   Looks somewhat incomplete at the moment, it doesn't even have slats and fairings installed!

P.S. Looks like Airbus did away with the "airbus point" on the tail (i.e. APU exhaust outlet is almost at the same height as the top of the fusleage crown), there goes another Airbus spotting feature  
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RE: First Flying A350 Prototype Rolls Out

Wed Dec 05, 2012 9:42 pm

Quoting sankaps (Reply 139):
. I understand the shape of the nose is determined by aerodynamics... but how about the shape of the cockpit windows? Any reason they have to look so weird?

They do not look weird to me at all. They are beautiful. And I repeat that if I am not mistaken these are the first curved windows Airbus is using in a cockpit design.  .
 
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RE: First Flying A350 Prototype Rolls Out

Thu Dec 06, 2012 3:41 am

So when is it going to get fully painted?
 
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RE: First Flying A350 Prototype Rolls Out

Thu Dec 06, 2012 4:19 am

Quoting Braybuddy (Reply 122):
so it seems we're stuck with underwing twins for everything that flies, apart from VLAs, until some other form of transport is devised.

Designs have converted to the best set-up - just like we cannot tell buses' makers by just looking at the windows.

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RE: First Flying A350 Prototype Rolls Out

Thu Dec 06, 2012 5:03 am

Quoting sankaps (Reply 139):
What would have prevented them from retaining the A300/330/340 window shape, or indeed going with the sexy "shades" look in their earlier renderings?

Commonality with the A380.
 
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RE: First Flying A350 Prototype Rolls Out

Thu Dec 06, 2012 5:34 am

Quoting sankaps (Reply 139):
I agree. I understand the shape of the nose is determined by aerodynamics... but how about the shape of the cockpit windows? Any reason they have to look so weird?

Cockpit windows are a phenomenal pain in the rear. Airplanes don't like flat surfaces in general, glass makers hate not-flat surfaces, pilots hate not being able to see, and structural engineers hate trying to resist a 450 mph bird using a transparent laminate.

They look weird because the engineers are trying to harmonize a huge number of directly conflicting requirements without spending a gajillion dollars.

Quoting sankaps (Reply 139):
What would have prevented them from retaining the A300/330/340 window shape, or indeed going with the sexy "shades" look in their earlier renderings?

Aerodynamics is why they don't have the A300/330/340 windows (the fuel efficiency drive on the A350 is much stronger than it's ever been for any aircraft except maybe the 787). The sexy "shades" look died to commonality, and hence risk/cost/schedule, to the A380.

Tom.
 
hb88
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RE: First Flying A350 Prototype Rolls Out

Thu Dec 06, 2012 9:05 am

Quoting sprout5199 (Reply 131):
the nosegear doors look odd. reminds me of another plane but I can't put my finger on it right now. sort of like a Canadair CL-215. I wonder how much wind will be whipping around in the gear bay., and the noise it will create.

Keep in mind that the main nose-gear doors will be normally closed when the gear is extended (as per the 380 etc). Airbus a/c always look a little weird when they are on the ground with the gear-bay doors deployed.

As for the nose/cockpit shape, my understanding is that the windows etc are based directly on the A380 cockpit. There is a Flight Global article on this somewhere.
 
maxter
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RE: First Flying A350 Prototype Rolls Out

Thu Dec 06, 2012 12:55 pm

With the Sud Aviation Caravelle being one of my favorite aircraft in my youth so many years ago, this does have some nostalgic effect on me and I really do want to see it complete.

Unlike some others, I find the high stance on long legs quite elegant, but am also aware this will be somewhat hidden when the engines are finally bolted on.

What surprises me most are some of the reactions such as not wanting to fly on this, the latest offering from some incredibly clever and talented people, all the while purporting to be an aviation fan. I guess I have a different definition.

Roll on the first flight...
maxter
 
sankaps
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RE: First Flying A350 Prototype Rolls Out

Thu Dec 06, 2012 1:02 pm

Quoting tdscanuck (Reply 145):
Cockpit windows are a phenomenal pain in the rear. Airplanes don't like flat surfaces in general, glass makers hate not-flat surfaces

Makes sense. Howver haven't curved glass cockpit windows been around for a while now? L1011 and the 747 both appear that way, but I may be wrong...
 
liftsifter
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RE: First Flying A350 Prototype Rolls Out

Thu Dec 06, 2012 1:13 pm

Seems everyone on A.net has forgotten what the 787 looked like in production?



Give it time, the A350 will shine in the skies, just like the 787.   
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