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RE: AA 777-300ER Delivery Flight

Wed Dec 12, 2012 3:25 pm

Quoting Bthebest (Reply 48):

I like the fuselage but the tail seems horrible.
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RE: AA 777-300ER Delivery Flight

Wed Dec 12, 2012 3:31 pm

Quoting SixtySeven (Reply 42):
The 747 that was painted was done somewhere in the California desert. Victorville I think. Despite having their own in house paint works. It kept a lid on it very nicely.

I remember that! But someone did eventually publish a picture, grainy and from a distance, but no one believed it.

It wasn't until Hollis Harris called the photographer a "spoil sport" (or was it "party pooper") that everyone started to believe it really was the new livery.
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RE: AA 777-300ER Delivery Flight

Wed Dec 12, 2012 3:31 pm

Quoting Bthebest (Reply 48):

Wasn't that posted on here a few months ago? I thought it was another A.netter creation...and there was all this 'uproar' about what the thing was between the two A's...anyone remember that?

Again, what was told to me was that the new lighter blue that is on the kiosk interface is the new blue that is going to be used..and there is no red.

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RE: AA 777-300ER Delivery Flight

Wed Dec 12, 2012 3:46 pm

Quoting YYZBound (Reply 53):

Again, what was told to me was that the new lighter blue that is on the kiosk interface is the new blue that is going to be used..and there is no red.

I keep envisioning a light/translucent glaze in that blue hue all over the AA fuselage with an effect similar to AC, but I think that would have happened already at Boeing. Who knows, maybe AA has been secretly installing painting facilities in the DFW mx base.
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RE: AA 777-300ER Delivery Flight

Wed Dec 12, 2012 3:52 pm

Quoting Independence76 (Reply 24):
The interior, while upgraded, does seem a bit lacking to me.

Seems a bit bland doesn't it? A lot of light colored plastic and plain bulk heads.
 
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RE: AA 777-300ER Delivery Flight

Wed Dec 12, 2012 4:20 pm

Does anyone know if the plane is inside DWH now? I just flew out of DFW and I didn't see the plane outside or on the west ramps.
 
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RE: AA 777-300ER Delivery Flight

Wed Dec 12, 2012 4:53 pm

Yesterday in MIA I saw this plane and did an immediate double-take, at first not liking the red white and blue bottom portion of the tail, and then being relieved to see it was not the new AA. I really hope AA has a very classy looking Eagle on the tail.


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RE: AA 777-300ER Delivery Flight

Wed Dec 12, 2012 5:23 pm

It's been said before that inside sources say it will be retro looking. All AA liveries prior to the current one had orange on them. I just wonder if we might see orange show up on the new one?
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RE: AA 777-300ER Delivery Flight

Wed Dec 12, 2012 5:29 pm

Quoting dtw757 (Reply 58):

Some people are reporting rumours that the livery is only blue white and grey and the red was dropped. Of course we'll never know until the reveal.
 
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RE: AA 777-300ER Delivery Flight

Wed Dec 12, 2012 5:37 pm

Quoting dtw757 (Reply 58):

It's been said before that inside sources say it will be retro looking. All AA liveries prior to the current one had orange on them. I just wonder if we might see orange show up on the new one?

The ONE person I had talked to who had seen the renderings had told me "they've gone retro". Granted, what he might consider 'retro' may not be to others...not sure if that applies to the font, or the stylization of the eagle, etc.

Both sources have also said that there is something about the new livery that will be particularly 'stunning' when the sun shines on it in the sky....which, I take to mean there will be something iridescent in the paint like what Air Canada has.

Or maybe the blue matches the color of the sky....*shrugs*
 
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Wed Dec 12, 2012 5:42 pm

I think it would be great if they would modernize this!
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RE: AA 777-300ER Delivery Flight

Wed Dec 12, 2012 5:57 pm

Quoting YYZBound (Reply 53):
Wasn't that posted on here a few months ago? I thought it was another A.netter creation...and there was all this 'uproar' about what the thing was between the two A's...anyone remember that?

Yeah, that's nothing more than an amateur rendering, although a few people have ran with it claiming that it's an official rendering of the next AA livery - which it's not.

Quoting N737AA (Reply 44):
As I've said before in other threads, this aircraft is going to sport a special livery but not necessarily a rebranding livery, as evidence of 7LB is unpainted and getting the traditional livery for delivery.

Based on comments by senior management, it seems a new livery is on the way. Although that doesn't necessarily mean it will be introduced on either of the first two 77Ws.
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RE: AA 777-300ER Delivery Flight

Wed Dec 12, 2012 6:35 pm

I wonder what it costs AA to paint the B777 versus Boeing. Perhaps AA thinks they can keep the new livery under their own wraps until their big hurrah, Will AA be painting all their B777-300ERs or will Boeing be doing that? After all AA has a huge fleet to paint eventually along with the US Airways fleet. At $300 million a piece at MSRP (lol) AA is treating their new B777-300ER with kid gloves. I don't blame them. Kind of like a new car.
 
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RE: AA 777-300ER Delivery Flight

Wed Dec 12, 2012 7:02 pm

They must be holding out for the amAAzing USAirways-inspired livery that has been floating around the Tempe HQ in recent months.
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RE: AA 777-300ER Delivery Flight

Wed Dec 12, 2012 8:29 pm

Quoting ckfred (Reply 2):
So, AA maintenance is going to paint the plane, rather than Boeing?

AA M&E does not have the capability to paint the aircraft. Unless they plan to finish it with rollers. Or the final markings are all decals in whioch case they can do it.
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Wed Dec 12, 2012 8:31 pm

AA seems to have updated and refreshed their booking site. Nothing new or groundbreaking, but it does a look a bit more modern and fresh.

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Wed Dec 12, 2012 9:38 pm

As a sidenote, August 1968 photo at LAX of the first AA aircraft, 720B N7528A, to appear in the current livery. At the time of the photo it was still experimental, but about the only change was the addition of the eagle logo on the tail. In my opinion it still looks good 44 years later. Photo from Jon Proctor's excellent website (jonproctor.net) with hundreds of photos (among other things), mostly from the 50s/60s/70s.

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RE: AA 777-300ER Delivery Flight

Wed Dec 12, 2012 9:49 pm

Quoting N737AA (Reply 44):
As I've said before in other threads, this aircraft is going to sport a special livery but not necessarily a rebranding livery, as evidence of 7LB is unpainted and getting the traditional livery for delivery.

Well, your gonna need to explain why 7LB is now painted like 7LA, Matt Cawby just tweeted a photo of it.
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RE: AA 777-300ER Delivery Flight

Wed Dec 12, 2012 9:50 pm

Does anyone else find the Facebook rendering to almost look a bit Aeromexico-inspired? (not a bad thing, just an observation).
 
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RE: AA 777-300ER Delivery Flight

Wed Dec 12, 2012 11:53 pm

Their look is very classic and should not be tinkered with. Besides they should be spending money on improving their service and not looks.
 
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RE: AA 777-300ER Delivery Flight

Wed Dec 12, 2012 11:57 pm

Quoting WROORD (Reply 69):
Besides they should be spending money on improving their service and not looks.

Looking at the interior images, I think they made a HUGE step in improving the hard product, - it looks amazing, better than I expected! I'm anxiously looking forward to the inaugural flight!
 
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RE: AA 777-300ER Delivery Flight

Thu Dec 13, 2012 7:14 am

Quoting SixtySeven (Reply 42):
The 747 that was painted was done somewhere in the California desert. Victorville I think. Despite having their own in house paint works. It kept a lid on it very nicely.

Granted this was before digital cameras and the Internet which can blow the lid off things in a jiffy.

just a note, a guy at a MRO can put it out there just as easy as someone at AA..... Not like they don't have internet or cameras  
Quoting N737AA (Reply 44):

AA has no "special" paint hangar(s), all paint is rolled on and can be done anywhere since its not sprayed there are not as many environmental concerns. But most of the stripping and painting is done in TUL (and AFW). All of the Special livery's were done in TUL and AFW, but DWH is classified as a main base now and has all the capabilities of TUL resource wise so it could be done there.

I didn't really think about it, but i guess with AA's livery being so simple (and rolled on) it doesn't need paint bays. (like Delta who sprays and would need true paint bays like the 3 bays in Atlanta.)

I do believe I am right that DWH didn't have any bays like the ones in TOC 3 in ATL. (but i can't really remember)
 
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RE: AA 777-300ER Delivery Flight

Thu Dec 13, 2012 3:04 pm

Quoting 817Dreamliiner (Reply 67):
Well, your gonna need to explain why 7LB is now painted like 7LA, Matt Cawby just tweeted a photo of it.

I guess so....

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RE: AA 777-300ER Delivery Flight

Thu Dec 13, 2012 5:35 pm

Quoting WROORD (Reply 69):
Their look is very classic and should not be tinkered with.

And, it won't work on the composite aircraft that are coming.
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RE: AA 777-300ER Delivery Flight

Thu Dec 13, 2012 8:04 pm

Quoting YYZBound (Reply 59):
The ONE person I had talked to who had seen the renderings had told me "they've gone retro". Granted, what he might consider 'retro' may not be to others...not sure if that applies to the font, or the stylization of the eagle, etc.

Both sources have also said that there is something about the new livery that will be particularly 'stunning' when the sun shines on it in the sky....which, I take to mean there will be something iridescent in the paint like what Air Canada has.

Or maybe the blue matches the color of the sky....*shrugs*

Iridescent? I ventured in the first thread on this subject that the base coat lends itself quite nicely to platinum decals for the titles and the Eagle logo. (Think back to the now defunct SilverJet for what that might look like.) Specifically with the titles, I am thinking outlined in platinum with blue as the infill color.

As to the retro influence, it is already apparent in the design of the First Class Cabin. AA means to reinvent itself by re-imagining its streamline moderne past. If that is the case, could we see the return of the Eagle logo in the circle? That logo would look great on a white tail. Moreover, with the titles, will we see the return of the RetroJet font.

The only thing I can't quite figure is how they keep the color red with this base coat and how they would do the cheatline with the diagonal banding of the tail.
 
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RE: AA 777-300ER Delivery Flight

Fri Dec 14, 2012 1:19 pm

Quoting N737AA (Reply 72):
Quoting 817Dreamliiner (Reply 67):
Well, your gonna need to explain why 7LB is now painted like 7LA, Matt Cawby just tweeted a photo of it.

I guess so....

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My coworker at PAE/BFI said not to get too excited, just the marketing folks rolling out their latest marketing gimick.

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RE: AA 777-300ER Delivery Flight

Fri Dec 14, 2012 2:31 pm

Quoting N737AA (Reply 75):
My coworker at PAE/BFI said not to get too excited, just the marketing folks rolling out their latest marketing gimick.

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RE: AA 777-300ER Delivery Flight

Fri Dec 14, 2012 5:42 pm

Quoting SPREE34 (Reply 73):
Quoting WROORD (Reply 69):
Their look is very classic and should not be tinkered with.

And, it won't work on the composite aircraft that are coming.

The only change needed is to paint the fuselage with the same type of silver metallic paint used by half a dozen other carriers, for example the final NW livery.

The SkyTeam livery is another example.


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Fri Dec 14, 2012 5:55 pm

Quoting Viscount724 (Reply 77):
The only change needed is to paint the fuselage with the same type of silver metallic paint used by half a dozen other carriers, for example the final NW livery.

The SkyTeam livery is another example.

Is that darker than what the A300s wore? Or even Eastern's 727-100 & A300?

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Quoting Deltal1011man (Reply 36):
*sigh* every time i see pictures of AA planes at DWH it makes me sick.

UGH.....that comment just makes me barf!   
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RE: AA 777-300ER Delivery Flight

Fri Dec 14, 2012 6:21 pm

Quoting 727LOVER (Reply 78):
Get ready.........because recently I've seen several AA planes in the old DL hangar @ TPA!

Wow. I it fairly sad that you think it makes me sick because its AA.
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Quoting 727LOVER (Reply 78):
UGH.....that comment just makes me barf!

Ah yes. I should be just tickled sh*tless that AA having DWH means Delta had to lay off a ton of people and send work to places like Mexico and China. Should be happy to know some really good guys have to fly Atlanta weekly because they couldn't move their family.

Try not to think of every single person on the site as a 5 year who enjoys getting into stupid peeing contest normally seen on here. I'll be just as sick to see some crappy company like TIMCO/PIMCO/AAR's logo on the AFW base as I am about PIMCO logos on the Delta TPA hangar or the AA logos on DWH. I'm worried about my craft, not stupid crap like most on here.

oh, and FWIW, I'd much rather see AA have DWH than a company like PIMCO.

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RE: AA 777-300ER Delivery Flight

Fri Dec 14, 2012 7:01 pm

Well I just looked at the video about the NEW AA. Takes me back 25 years ago to an ad put out by EA was the same thing including people and planes blah blah blah, and of course Frank Borman walking through employees with his senseless smile spuing out bs! Look at the old EA ad and this new on by AA, and substitute AA over the EA one. Same Stuff!!!! I don't care what the plane is, and don't care how it's painted. Until customers are treated properly and have a good sense of flying then new ads and paint jobs aren't going to do it. By the same token, passengers have got to stop employees like they are their personal servants. Respect.
 
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RE: AA 777-300ER Delivery Flight

Sat Dec 15, 2012 2:36 pm

Just a question: when AA will reveal the new livery to the public? Do they have a date for this???
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RE: AA 777-300ER Delivery Flight

Sat Dec 15, 2012 8:33 pm

Quoting lollomz (Reply 81):
Just a question: when AA will reveal the new livery to the public? Do they have a date for this???

That's what everybody in the forum is waiting for. No one knows the exact date, management probably does but they don't want to announce it yet to the public. I think it will happen by late January. If not January, February.
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RE: AA 777-300ER Delivery Flight

Sat Dec 15, 2012 9:43 pm

Quoting american 767 (Reply 82):
That's what everybody in the forum is waiting for. No one knows the exact date, management probably does but they don't want to announce it yet to the public. I think it will happen by late January. If not January, February.

I would think we'd know by the end of January at the latest considering this a/c goes into revenue service on 1/31. Yes it's possible AA puts the a/c in service before the livery is finished, but I don't think that is likely.
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RE: AA 777-300ER Delivery Flight

Sun Dec 16, 2012 12:33 am

Quoting lollomz (Reply 81):
Just a question: when AA will reveal the new livery to the public? Do they have a date for this???

The day AA emerges from bankruptcy which I expect is coming soon. That's the delay because otherwise you'd have seen this aircraft already painted in the new colors. Would be a real surprise to me if they debuted the new livery before emerging.
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RE: AA 777-300ER Delivery Flight

Sun Dec 16, 2012 2:10 am

Quoting dtw757 (Reply 84):
The day AA emerges from bankruptcy which I expect is coming soon. That's the delay because otherwise you'd have seen this aircraft already painted in the new colors. Would be a real surprise to me if they debuted the new livery before emerging.

I believe it's been done before.

Let's face a few realities:

1) They are not going to put the aircraft into service without fully painting it in AA titles. Mr. Horton already said that it would be painted in the new colors, explicitly. If they don't paint it completely, it will have to be removed from service for painting, which costs a lot of revenue. If they don't paint it completely, it is not recognizable as an American aircraft and instead is unmarked, which unacceptable.

2) They are not going to delay EIS just because of timing the branding. The timing of the unveiling is important but not so important as to justify keeping the aircraft grounded pending clearing bankruptcy. The new brand must be introduced prior to EIS, period. EIS is not going to move on account of branding.

3) They did not paint their first two 77W frames in some special colors just for the heck of it. This is very obviously the background for the new livery. If there were going to be a special livery just for the new 77W, they would have said so. Instead, Mr. Horton explicitly said that it would wear the new AA livery.

Whether this makes you happy or sad, AA is changing its livery. Barring extraordinary circumstances, N717AN will wear the new livery when it goes into service. In all likelihood, all future deliveries will be painted in the new livery unless they are carrying a special colorscheme.

Quoting Viscount724 (Reply 77):
The only change needed is to paint the fuselage with the same type of silver metallic paint used by half a dozen other carriers, for example the final NW livery.

It looks completely different than bare metal and, IMHO, would look like a lame attempt at pretense. Times change and liveries need to change with them.
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RE: AA 777-300ER Delivery Flight

Sun Dec 16, 2012 2:24 am

Does anyone have any guesses when the entire new livery will be revealed?
 
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RE: AA 777-300ER Delivery Flight

Sun Dec 16, 2012 5:12 am

Probably when -7AN enters revenue service or shortly prior to that.
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RE: AA 777-300ER Delivery Flight

Sun Dec 16, 2012 12:34 pm

Quoting 777STL (Reply 87):
Probably when -7AN enters revenue service or shortly prior to that.

7AN is in revenue service, has been for a long time


Also 7LB second 777-300 is due for delivery Dec 19
 
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RE: AA 777-300ER Delivery Flight

Sun Dec 16, 2012 12:40 pm

Quoting JoePatroni707 (Reply 88):

7AN is in revenue service, has been for a long time


I think he means N717AN...
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RE: AA 777-300ER Delivery Flight

Sun Dec 16, 2012 1:30 pm

Quoting Need2Fly (Reply 32):
I think these liveries would look beautiful on the new AA!

I likde the first one, but don't think they will go that drastic, I bedt most will be underwhelmed.

Quoting N737AA (Reply 75):
My coworker at PAE/BFI said not to get too excited

Exactly what I think, with exception of a handful of carriers, liveries are created more white, and sterile looking with little originality. I like TG, HA off the top of my head.

Quoting american 767 (Reply 82):
management probably does but they don't want to announce it yet to the public.

I think AA should not put thedmselves under any unnessisary public announcement dates, just in case something goes wrong, it does not look like a public blunder they could have avoided by keeping quiet, until the paint is almost dry.

If UA & AA do merge, I am sure it would be best to hold off on repainting planes, just in case something changes with the livery of the merged carrier, this 777 could possibly become one of few that gets this new livery until the merger settles up.
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RE: AA 777-300ER Delivery Flight

Sun Dec 16, 2012 4:17 pm

Quoting JoePatroni707 (Reply 88):
7AN is in revenue service, has been for a long time

N717AN is NOT in revenue service and you knew that was what I meant. Don't be obtuse.

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RE: AA 777-300ER Delivery Flight

Sun Dec 16, 2012 5:54 pm

Quoting RWA380 (Reply 90):
If UA & AA do merge

I hope you mean US, because UA/AA wouldnt ever be allowed to merge for anti trust issues!

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RE: AA 777-300ER Delivery Flight

Sun Dec 16, 2012 6:28 pm

Quoting 777STL (Reply 91):
N717AN is NOT in revenue service and you knew that was what I meant. Don't be obtuse.

7AN is also a fleet number. Typically AA refers to fleet numbers. N717AN will be known as 7LA.
 
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RE: AA 777-300ER Delivery Flight

Sun Dec 16, 2012 7:27 pm

Quoting JoePatroni707 (Reply 93):
7AN is also a fleet number. Typically AA refers to fleet numbers. N717AN will be known as 7LA.

We know that, but not everyone here can identify aircraft by fleet number... Hence we use the reg.
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Sun Dec 16, 2012 8:43 pm

Quoting DocLightning (Reply 85):
Quoting Viscount724 (Reply 77):
The only change needed is to paint the fuselage with the same type of silver metallic paint used by half a dozen other carriers, for example the final NW livery.

It looks completely different than bare metal and, IMHO, would look like a lame attempt at pretense. Times change and liveries need to change with them.

Branding is important but not on the aircraft since passengers have made their purchase decision by the time they see the aircraft. In my opinion, whatever AA does to their livery will no impact on their traffic or revenue. Other things are more important like their product and service. That's where they should be spending their limited cash resources -- on the inside of the aircraft -- not on the outside.
 
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RE: AA 777-300ER Delivery Flight

Sun Dec 16, 2012 10:19 pm

Quoting DocLightning (Reply 85):
I believe it's been done before

If they are planning on unveiling the new livery before emerging from bankruptcy, then why is it not fully painted yet? I think it's going to be a simultaneous announcement; They will emerge and unveil the new livery on the same day.
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RE: AA 777-300ER Delivery Flight

Mon Dec 17, 2012 1:26 am

Quoting allegiantflyer (Reply 86):

Does anyone have any guesses when the entire new livery will be revealed?

Before 31 January.

Quoting Viscount724 (Reply 95):
Branding is important but not on the aircraft since passengers have made their purchase decision by the time they see the aircraft.

Branding on the aircraft is very important. One very important job of advertising and branding is not to promote your product, but to simply increase awareness. Everyone knows American Airlines exists and is familiar with its brand. However, when you go to the airport, even if you are flying another carrier, you will see AA airliners coming and going. The result is that the thought "American Airlines" goes through your head in some manner.

The hope is that the next time you go to book a ticket, the thought: "American Airlines" might go through your head in some manner. The exterior of an aircraft is one of the best billboards that exists.

Quoting dtw757 (Reply 96):
If they are planning on unveiling the new livery before emerging from bankruptcy, then why is it not fully painted yet? I think it's going to be a simultaneous announcement; They will emerge and unveil the new livery on the same day.

If they can arrange it, then that is what they will do, I agree. However, they are not in 100% control of when they will formally be released from bankruptcy. If the aircraft needs to go into service prior to that time, they will be forced to reveal the livery and new brand before they formally emerge from bankruptcy.
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RE: AA 777-300ER Delivery Flight

Mon Dec 17, 2012 3:38 am

Quoting 817Dreamliiner (Reply 94):
We know that, but not everyone here can identify aircraft by fleet number... Hence we use the reg.

In that case, use the entire registration. There's a difference between "N717AN" and "7AN", and AA uses fleet numbers almost exclusively for its operations. I also thought he was referring to ship 7AN.
 
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RE: AA 777-300ER Delivery Flight

Mon Dec 17, 2012 3:42 am

Quoting OB1504 (Reply 98):

I have to agree with this.

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