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RE: A380 - Airbus Close To 'Significant Order'

Sun Dec 16, 2012 5:54 am

half of the bottom can be cargo, the top and front half will equal out the capacity of 744, i am not a professional, but will that be too heavy??
 
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RE: A380 - Airbus Close To 'Significant Order'

Sun Dec 16, 2012 5:57 am

Haven't read all the entries, so forgive me if this speculation has already been offered, but it was interesting that the demo A-380 stopped in HNL on its way to HKG a few days ago. Could it be that Cathay may have renewed interest?
 
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RE: A380 - Airbus Close To 'Significant Order'

Sun Dec 16, 2012 6:14 am

http://www.taipeitimes.com/News/taiwan/archives/2012/11/12/2003547499

The A380 is reported to be visiting Taipei as well. This newslink from a local Taiwan paper on Nov 12 says Dec 11 is the scheduled date when the A380 will visit Taiwan "and then Hong Kong". Plans have changed it seems or they may still proceed to Taipei at some point.

BR seems unlikely but Ci is still a strong possible as a buyer.

[Edited 2012-12-15 22:17:32]
 
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Sun Dec 16, 2012 6:45 am

From what I have read CX will take another look at the need for a VLA during 2013, so this current proposed A380 order won't be from CX going by that.

Personally I think CX do have a case for 12-15 VLAs for routes like LAX, SFO, JFK, LHR and possibly YVR, FRA, CDG. Be that A380s, or 748Is.

Hoepfully the order this thread is about would be a new order though i'm not to sure who if thats the case being significant. Maybe someone like ANA for 10 for their busiest long haul routes?!
 
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RE: A380 - Airbus Close To 'Significant Order'

Sun Dec 16, 2012 7:17 am

Quoting cx828 (Reply 200):
half of the bottom can be cargo, the top and front half will equal out the capacity of 744, i am not a professional, but will that be too heavy??

The FAA no longer certifies Combi aircraft for Commercial use.

Quoting tommy525 (Reply 202):
BR seems unlikely but Ci is still a strong possible as a buyer.

I doubt CI needs the A380 for its operation though. CI has placed a firm order for 14 A350-900 back in 2008 and just about a week ago they announced that they will be ordering 6 B777-300ER to replace their existing A340-300. Apparently it is said that they are looking at replacing their ageing B747-400 with either the B777-300ER or the A350-1000.
 
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RE: A380 - Airbus Close To 'Significant Order'

Sun Dec 16, 2012 7:38 am

Quoting andrewtang (Reply 204):

Quoting cx828 (Reply 200):
half of the bottom can be cargo, the top and front half will equal out the capacity of 744, i am not a professional, but will that be too heavy??

The FAA no longer certifies Combi aircraft for Commercial use.

Theoretically they would be allowed to have the whole main deck as cargo, and just use top deck for passengers (or perhaps the reverse), but that would need quite a bit of expensive customizing by Airbus, and I don't think any route would be so cargo heavy and passenger light (and any such route would be better served by dedicated freighter).

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Sun Dec 16, 2012 8:11 am

Quoting PIEAvantiP180 (Reply 28):

You guys can for certanly take DL off the list. At least for as long as the current managment team is running the show. Yesterday during DL investor day conference R. Anderson mentioned several times that the A380 will not provide a reasonable ROI for DL over a 30year span. A reporter asked him how do you compare buying VS and an A380 and he said it does not come close.

Not only this, but Anderson has stated to employees before that the plane "is to big to make money". Delta wants twins.

Quoting EddieDude (Reply 84):
Agree. I would think DL would order the 77W before the 748i, let alone the A380.

Twins are the future at Delta.

Quoting cedarjet (Reply 89):
Cedarjet's bet is United. Their 747s are among the oldest in the business and there are a load of routes they fly that can't be flown with anything less than jumbo capacity - namely, Australia, and their routes from SFO, ORD and NYC to Japan and China. A 777 replacing a 747 is a major step down in capacity and I don't think they're ready to cede that kind of market share to Qantas, Delta, JAL, Nippon, Air China et al.

UA has been dumping 747s and replacing them with 777s. Routes like ORD-NRT, LAX-NRT are now on 777s or 787s. The A350 (IMO a mix of 900s and 1000s) will replace the 747 at UA.

Quoting EK413 (Reply 105):
Considering DL are going ahead with a 49% stake takeover of VS would it be possible that DL have decided to take on VS A380 order and topped it up with an additional 10 frames to replace the B744 fleet from 2017 which was the latest delivery date for VS A380s...

Delta wont operate the A380 unless they have a huge, huge change in management.

Quoting Stitch (Reply 108):

DL is husbanding their cash by purchasing used airframes. There is zero chance they're going to drop tens of billions on brand new A380-800s

Not only this but Delta has been upgrading the fleet to push back fleet renewal. IMHO a mix of 777s and 787s will replace the the 747s. NWs plan was to replace the 747s with 787s....

Quoting gigneil (Reply 180):
I think they'll have to go with an A350-1000 on the routes

agreed. Some routes are still to big for the 900. (a good bit of SFO-Asia)

Quoting FreshSide3 (Reply 194):
The UA pilots just now got a new contract, so that increases the chances.....

not really. Negotiations 101. You hang something like the A380 or 717 to get a contract to pass. Its fairly odd to wait till after a contract to start talking about airplanes.
 
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RE: A380 - Airbus Close To 'Significant Order'

Sun Dec 16, 2012 8:14 am

Quoting Deltal1011man (Reply 206):
UA has been dumping 747s and replacing them with 777s.

No they haven't. They have exactly 1 fewer 747 than they have always had.

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RE: A380 - Airbus Close To 'Significant Order'

Sun Dec 16, 2012 8:25 am

Quoting andrewtang (Reply 204):
Apparently it is said that they are looking at replacing their ageing B747-400 with either the B777-300ER or the A350-1000.

Their large 744F fleet suggests the 748F has a future at CI, which makes the 748I seem possible also.
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Sun Dec 16, 2012 8:28 am

Quoting gigneil (Reply 207):
No they haven't. They have exactly 1 fewer 747 than they have always had.

UA has been, over the last few years, been dumping 747s and replacing them with 777s. (or just cutting the capacity without replacement)

UA at its peek had 44(per Boeing) 744s. They are down half of that. Yes most of that was during BK but IIRC UA exited BK with ~30 744s and is down to 24?(is its 25 with the Charter or 24 with the Charter?)

Not a bad thing, all the US carriers are going that route. Again, I wouldn't be shocked at all to see the 787 replace the bulk of the Delta 747 fleet.
 
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RE: A380 - Airbus Close To 'Significant Order'

Sun Dec 16, 2012 1:05 pm

Quoting zeke (Reply 190):
Regionally a lot of cargo is carried under the floor, the cost is not that great, on a TPE flight it might be around 50 kg of additional fuel per tonne of cargo, on a ULH like NYC, it might be tens time that much of fuel needed to carry each additional tonne of cargo. This has significant impact on the yield from the flight.

Which is why non-stop long haul caqrgo ops will remain a minority - it is cheaper to stop half way to top up the tanks.

Quoting Deltal1011man (Reply 206):
Yesterday during DL investor day conference R. Anderson mentioned several times that the A380 will not provide a reasonable ROI for DL over a 30year span.

He just bought 3 - well, 49% of VS's order for 6!
 
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Sun Dec 16, 2012 5:04 pm

Quoting cx828 (Reply 197):
just a wild assumption, is it possible to have a 380 combi like Air China one to the 747M, so they can still have the passenger capacity of the old 744 and have the same cargo capacity as 77W and maintain the frequency as 4 daily to LHR or JFK.

The cost to design and certify it, coupled with the inflexibility to adjust loads between passengers and cargos, and the added empty weight needed for fire and smoke protection would almost assuredly make such a plane economically unfeasible to operate, IMO.



Quoting andrewtang (Reply 204):
The FAA no longer certifies Combi aircraft for Commercial use.

The FAA will certify a new combi, but said certification rules require the passenger and cargo cabin volumes be permanently set during initial assembly. Therefore, such a plane only makes sense where you fly the same number of passengers and pallets every flight with no deviation in load factors.

And I would be very surprised if there were any, much less many, routes where load factors are so set.
 
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RE: A380 - Airbus Close To 'Significant Order'

Sun Dec 16, 2012 11:10 pm

Quoting Stitch (Reply 211):
And I would be very surprised if there were any, much less many, routes where load factors are so set.

They don't need to be as rigid as you are outlining. You can still fly a dedicated freighter to deal with strong freight demand and sub in a passenger aircraft for strong pax demand. However, given that no airline has wanted such a thing tells us that they are still too rigid for them.
 
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RE: A380 - Airbus Close To 'Significant Order'

Sun Dec 16, 2012 11:18 pm

Quoting thegeek (Reply 212):
They don't need to be as rigid as you are outlining. You can still fly a dedicated freighter to deal with strong freight demand and sub in a passenger aircraft for strong pax demand.

At that point, why run the combi?

Might explain why some combi operators are moving to dedicated passenger or freighter fleets or are favoring planes like the 777-300ER (and eventually the A350-1000) that has so much underfloor volume it's almost a combi.  

[Edited 2012-12-16 15:19:01]
 
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Sun Dec 16, 2012 11:42 pm

Last Friday I was lucky enough to see a couple of AF A380s while transitting CDG. Yes one looked dirty, I was bemused to notice. Seeing it in person from the terminal it looked better than from pictures. And it seemed to me that changing your perspective by taking some steps left and right also affected the aesthetics.
 
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Mon Dec 17, 2012 12:52 pm

Quoting JerseyFlyer (Reply 210):
He just bought 3 - well, 49% of VS's order for 6

IMHO Virgin wont ever have an A380....
 
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Fri Dec 28, 2012 1:59 pm

So? Just one more working day left in 2012. Any chances for this "significant" MoU in 2012? I doubt it... If at all it will happen in 2013 and maybe it's even better this way
 
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Fri Dec 28, 2012 2:35 pm

Quoting N14AZ (Reply 216):
Just one more working day left in 2012. Any chances for this "significant" MoU in 2012? I doubt it...

You may be surprised what will show up in the last few days of 2012. But you'll probably have to wait for Airbus's annual press conference around 17th January to find out.   
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RE: A380 - Airbus Close To 'Significant Order'

Sat Dec 29, 2012 1:24 am

Quoting mariner (Reply 120):
Bugger reality. I doubt this will happen, this is what I would LIKE to see:

I would love to see that, but teh chance is 0.1%.

Quoting Stitch (Reply 213):
or are favoring planes like the 777-300ER (and eventually the A350-1000) that has so much underfloor volume it's almost a combi.

That is one issue with the A380. No combi required, the new widebodies substitute. Even the 787 brings a significant amount more cargo. Some of the 'combi duties' is being absorbed into regular service.

That isn't to say I do not remain an A380 fan. There are still a tremendous number of routes for the big plane. If they would only get production in hand we'll see more orders. Of course I hope for the A389...

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Sat Dec 29, 2012 2:17 am

Quoting Deltal1011man (Reply 209):
UA has been, over the last few years, been dumping 747s and replacing them with 777s. (or just cutting the capacity without replacement)
Quoting Deltal1011man (Reply 209):
UA at its peek had 44(per Boeing) 744s.

That doesn't sound right to me. I'll meet you halfway however.

I can find production records for 28 747-422s. I was under the impression that total was 24, but I'll take 28.

I have LN:

733
759
762
806
819
820
866
867
881
882
919
985
1085
1088
1113
1121
1126
1141
1168
1193
1197
1201
1207
1209
1211
1218
1221
1245

If you can show a list different than that, I'd be interested.

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RE: A380 - Airbus Close To 'Significant Order'

Sat Dec 29, 2012 5:53 am

The following 747-400's have left the UA fleet:-

N172UA
N176UA
N183UA
N184UA
N106UA (this was a -451 built for NW but NTU)
N186UA
N187UA
N188UA
N189UA
N190UA
N191UA
N192UA
N194UA
N108UA
N109UA

There are 24 in service and 6 stored if my data is correct.

Now, back to the topic, who's it going to be?
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Sat Dec 29, 2012 6:03 am

If UA orders some, I hope they come to IAH!
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Sat Dec 29, 2012 9:37 pm

OMG ME TOO.

I love IAH.

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Wed Jan 02, 2013 4:03 pm

First post!
Happy New year everybody!


I was kind of hoping to know something more about this "significant order" by now, any rumors at all?


Many thanks,


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Wed Jan 02, 2013 7:44 pm

Even if an MoU was signed before the end of 2012, I wouldn't expect to hear about it until Airbus's Annual Press Conference around the middle of January.
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Wed Jan 02, 2013 9:35 pm

Slightly off topic but relevant as well; does the A380 have a high cargo capacity by weight compared to that available by space? Given its magnificent wings and four engines, surely it must be able to lift some heavy and expensive shizzle regardless of the fact that it can't carry massive amounts of low value but space taking product. The 748i and 77W may have a lot more space available in their bellies for cargo, but what are they able to lift compared to the A388?

This must have some bearing no?

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Wed Jan 02, 2013 9:39 pm

In terms of Maximum Structural Payload, the A380-800 is rated to about 93t at the 575t TOW. The 747-8 is rated at 82t and the 777-300ER at 70t.
 
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Wed Jan 02, 2013 9:53 pm

Quoting Stitch (Reply 226):
In terms of Maximum Structural Payload, the A380-800 is rated to about 93t at the 575t TOW. The 747-8 is rated at 82t and the 777-300ER at 70t.

That's fairly significant. So if you're able to focus on high value and heavy cargo, and lots of passengers, the A388 is definitely the aeroplane for you.
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Wed Jan 02, 2013 10:31 pm

Quoting motorhussy (Reply 227):
So if you're able to focus on high value and heavy cargo, the A388 is definitely the aeroplane for you.

So maybe EK's large fleet of 380s is related to Dubai's status as a major gold trading hub?  
 
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Wed Jan 02, 2013 11:19 pm

Quoting jet-lagged (Reply 214):
Last Friday I was lucky enough to see a couple of AF A380s while transitting CDG. Yes one looked dirty, I was bemused to notice. Seeing it in person from the terminal it looked better than from pictures. And it seemed to me that changing your perspective by taking some steps left and right also affected the aesthetics.

Personally I think the best view is when stood between 4:30 and 5 o'clock relative to the bid bird (or between 7 and 7:30 o'clock obviously).
 
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Wed Jan 02, 2013 11:41 pm

Quoting Stitch (Reply 226):
In terms of Maximum Structural Payload, the A380-800 is rated to about 93t at the 575t TOW. The 747-8 is rated at 82t and the 777-300ER at 70t.

If you subscribe to the belief the A380-800 seats about 100 more pax than the 747-8, then the MSP delta doesn't look all that noteworthy:

A388 - 110kg x 525 pax = 57.75t
748 - 110kg x 425 pax = 46.75t
77W - 110kg x 340 pax = 37.4t

The remaining capability for revenue cargo under the max-zero-fuel line is identical for the A388 and 748 (35.25t) and is not far off for the 77W (32.6t).
 
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Thu Jan 03, 2013 3:40 pm

The A380 sure is the aircraft.....way to GO!
 
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Thu Jan 03, 2013 4:11 pm

this has been on the forum for some time now and we have not heard of what this significant order really is? anybody with inside information to enlighten us all who this is going to be?
 
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Thu Jan 03, 2013 10:43 pm

Quoting CM (Reply 230):
The remaining capability for revenue cargo under the max-zero-fuel line is identical for the A388 and 748 (35.25t) and is not far off for the 77W (32.6t).

Let me make sure that I understand--These numbers are just loading up the aircraft to max payload with no fuel on board? So if the 3 planes were all flying the same route, and were each fueled accordingly, then after boarding the passenger numbers you give plus the necessary fuel, the remaining cargo capacity is going to look very different, correct? The A388 will require more fuel than the 748 for most missions, and so the 748 will have more available cargo capacity, even though the pre-fuel capacity is identical. The 77W takes less fuel than either VLA, so the capacity gap will shrink after fueling. Am I interpretting correctly? Does the 77W actually end up with more available cargo capacity than the two larger planes for some missions? Thanks for being patient with me.
 
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Thu Jan 03, 2013 11:04 pm

Quoting CM (Reply 230):

Am i correct in saying, If you load them up with cargo to full capacity than they are not going to fly the brochure ranges as advertised by Boeing and Airbus.
 
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Thu Jan 03, 2013 11:24 pm

Quoting travelhound (Reply 234):
Am i correct in saying, If you load them up with cargo to full capacity than they are not going to fly the brochure ranges as advertised by Boeing and Airbus.

The brochure ranges are with a full compliment of passengers and their bags so yes, if you add revenue cargo on top of that, range will be less.

The A380-800 with an 85t payload is good for about 6600nm. The 747-8 with an 82t payload is good for about 5900nm and the 777-300ER with a 70t payload is good for about 5700nm. These figures are for no winds aloft and at OEM spec OEW.
 
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Thu Jan 03, 2013 11:34 pm

Quoting red zeppelin (Reply 233):
Let me make sure that I understand

I'm looking at a non-restricted route for the three aircraft.

Here are some basic assumptions for the mission:

Stage Length - 4,000 nm.
Passenger + their bags weight - 110 kg
Load factor - 100%
Seats: (I guessed here at comparable layouts, so may be not quite apples-to-apples)
- A388 - 525
- 748 - 425
- 77W - 340

Given the above mission rules, if we fill each airplane to max structural payload for the mission, they will all bump up against MZFW rather than their respective MTOW limits, so it makes a good basis of comparison for looking a structural payload capability. Here's how the math works out:

Total pax & bags weight:

A388 - 57.75t
748 - 46.75t
77W - 37.4t

Subtracting that from the total available payload capability under the MZFW line, the available capability to lift revenue payload on the mission is:

A388 - 35.25t
748 - 35.25t
77W - 32.6t

This is a comparison of how much structural capability each aircraft has to carry revenue (belly) cargo on this mission. The weight of fuel does not have to be considered here, because we are not operating at MTOW.

What CXB77L was hinting at in reply #59 is that once all the passenger bags are in the hold, the 777 and 747-8 have more remaining cargo volume into which you can put the above 32t-35t of cargo. If you are hauling revenue cargo which is high density and crams a lot of weight into a few pallet positions, it's no problem. However, if you are hauling flowers, packages or some other low-density cargo, the 747-8 and 777-300ER may both offer more revenue cargo capability than the A380-800.

Quoting travelhound (Reply 234):
Am i correct in saying, If you load them up with cargo to full capacity than they are not going to fly the brochure ranges as advertised by Boeing and Airbus.

This is absolutely true. "Brochure Range" (usually called "design range") is how far the airplane will fly with every seat filled plus passenger bags, but no revenue cargo.
 
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Thu Jan 03, 2013 11:37 pm

not sure if they did already but i was reading that Transaero from russia looking to roder 4 A380

would be significant because it would be the first order from russia ?
 
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Fri Jan 04, 2013 12:11 am

Quoting sydaircargo (Reply 237):
not sure if they did already but i was reading that Transaero from russia looking to roder 4 A380

would be significant because it would be the first order from russia ?

Transaero already has signed an MoU (they did so in Oct 2011). The article in the first post mentions that Leahy hoped to have an MoU for this order signed by the end of December, so it is not Transaero.

[Edited 2013-01-03 16:12:27]
 
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Fri Jan 04, 2013 8:26 am

Transaero also firmed their A380 order in the beginning of 2012.
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Fri Jan 04, 2013 9:42 am

Probably won't find out till 17th January or just before, when Airbus are going to announce their 2012 O&D.
 
 
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Tue Jan 15, 2013 9:09 am

Most promising sign yet - although wouldn't call the A333 and 77W comparable!
 
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Tue Jan 15, 2013 9:35 am

Quoting Deltal1011man (Reply 215):
irgin wont ever have an A380....

         The VS A380 order was another publicity stunt...

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Tue Jan 15, 2013 9:38 am

Quoting EK413 (Reply 243):
The VS A380 order was another publicity stunt...

I wouldn't say that.. It was made in better economic times where RB had slightly more ambitious growth plans. Times change.... A problem with ordering an aircraft so many years in advance.
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Tue Jan 15, 2013 9:47 am

Quoting Bthebest (Reply 242):
Most promising sign yet - although wouldn't call the A333 and 77W comparable!

They are as comparable or non-comparable as the 77W vs the 748I.

Quoting SKAirbus (Reply 244):
I wouldn't say that.. It was made in better economic times where RB had slightly more ambitious growth plans. Times change.... A problem with ordering an aircraft so many years in advance.

Exactly.
 
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RE: A380 - Airbus Close To 'Significant Order'

Tue Jan 15, 2013 12:19 pm

Quoting india1 (Reply 241):

Turkish?

http://thepeninsulaqatar.com/interna....html

Sounds like more likely than unlikely to me:

(a) French trade minister will be visiting Turkey
(b) rapprochement between France and Turkey after withdrawal of the French law that irked Turkey

(a) + (b) = Let's do some business now we're on good terms again!

IMO TK would be a significant recruit to the A380 customer base, potentially buying quite a few over the years.
 
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RE: A380 - Airbus Close To 'Significant Order'

Tue Jan 15, 2013 1:16 pm

Quoting india1 (Reply 241):
Turkish?

http://thepeninsulaqatar.com/interna...urkey-plan-major-airbus-order.html

Interesting article. It struck me as written by someone bursting to lead on a story but who has been sworn to secrecy for now.

TK would be a huge coup for the A380 family. Is this the final giant of the region, from the Black Sea to the Gulf of Aden, joining the others in flying the beast?

Quote:
Smell The Coffee •
It has to be the A380. The Boeing offering is the final, last gasp of an ageing old lady in the form of the B747. Her time is past and the A380 is eating her breakfast. Moreover, the B777-300ERs do the job of the B747 at a fraction of the cost and Turkish already operate them.
A huge. bold step for a bold, brave airline; well done Turkish if this turns out to be true.



Almost a.net-esque !

Quoting EK413 (Reply 243):
         The VS A380 order was another publicity stunt...

It was nothing of the sort.

The A380 was seen by Virgin as the next leap in air travel and the opportunities it offered. Airbus, despite the a.net belief / myth that Virgin wanted to dump all the A346s, was very much in favour and the operating principals and logistics of an Airbus fleet appealed greatly.

There is no doubt SRB exploited the situation to his usual advantage and of course went over the top with the promises he made regarding what a Virgin A380 would feature, but the economics and forward forecasts made a good case for the A380 as and when the B744 fleet would be rolled over. They were never going to be 700 seaters for the beach fleet, but a natural replacement of the LHR B744s and development of the service provided on board.

Events haven't been kind to the A380's prospects at Virgin since, though I will again say I believe they will take them.

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RE: A380 - Airbus Close To 'Significant Order'

Tue Jan 15, 2013 8:38 pm

DL could easily use the airplane on NRT, TLV, and MNL flights. I et irbus wold give thema premium disount just to get the aiplanes into the U. Remember when Airbus "gave" 4 A300's to EA to stimulate an order?
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RE: A380 - Airbus Close To 'Significant Order'

Tue Jan 15, 2013 8:53 pm

It's Turkish Airlines. Announcement may be coming tomorrow (Wednesday Jan 16, 2012).

At least what I read it said that the French trade minister will meet with Turkish officials tomorrow. Apparently Turkish is in discussions with Airbus for 150 aircraft.

[Edited 2013-01-15 13:01:16]

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