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MAS Orders 36 ATR72-600

Tue Dec 18, 2012 8:33 am

And the next big order for ATR (even though a MoU at the moment only):

20 ATR 72-600 for MASwings, 16 for Firefly. Delivieres to start mid-2013.

http://www.flightglobal.com/news/art...gns-mou-for-36-atr-72-600s-380318/

The next big order lost by the Q400. Guess it shows that at the moment efficiency wins hands down over speed.
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RE: MAS Orders 36 ATR72-600

Tue Dec 18, 2012 9:03 am

MASwings and Firefly already operate 22 x ATR72-500 between them, so I assume BBD never expected to win this order anyway.

ATR72 is a very nice aircraft, so no wonder they sell well.
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RE: MAS Orders 36 ATR72-600

Tue Dec 18, 2012 9:13 am

Quoting CRJ900 (Reply 1):
ATR72 is a very nice aircraft, so no wonder they sell well.

Especially the MASWings ATR, but where are they going to put these? It was like 20% load BKI-BWN-BKI when I flew them with excessive ground time and premium service. And the fare was cheaper than a train ride back here in the Nordics.
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RE: MAS Orders 36 ATR72-600

Tue Dec 18, 2012 9:47 am

Surprising that they would feel the need to replace their existing fleet of ATR72-500s, as they're pretty new, I presume ATR made them a good offer to replace the whole fleet, rather than top up their existing fleet.
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RE: MAS Orders 36 ATR72-600

Tue Dec 18, 2012 4:24 pm

Quoting AirbusA6 (Reply 3):
Surprising that they would feel the need to replace their existing fleet of ATR72-500s, as they're pretty new, I presume ATR made them a good offer to replace the whole fleet, rather than top up their existing fleet.

As far as I know ATR don´t accept -500 series orders, only the existing ones, so any new order for ATR must be a -600 series. By the way the second ATR-600 simulator just opened a few weeks ago in Singapore so that show us that they really expect good loads of planes around South East Asia.

Quoting CRJ900 (Reply 1):
MASwings and Firefly already operate 22 x ATR72-500 between them, so I assume BBD never expected to win this order anyway.

Exactly, it was quite difficult for them to get this order.
 
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RE: MAS Orders 36 ATR72-600

Tue Dec 18, 2012 5:17 pm

Quoting migair54 (Reply 4):
As far as I know ATR don´t accept -500 series orders, only the existing ones, so any new order for ATR must be a -600 series. By the way the second ATR-600 simulator just opened a few weeks ago in Singapore so that show us that they really expect good loads of planes around South East Asia.

SE Asia is an ATR stronghold anyway, they operate all over the region, so that makes sense.
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RE: MAS Orders 36 ATR72-600

Tue Dec 18, 2012 5:24 pm

Most MASwings runs are too short for the economics of the Q400 to catch up as well, another mark against BBD on this one, but not surprising either. Under 200nm is not where the DH4 shines.
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RE: MAS Orders 36 ATR72-600

Wed Dec 19, 2012 7:20 am

Quoting Flying-Tiger (Thread starter):
Guess it shows that at the moment efficiency wins hands down over speed.


Airlines have known that since the 70's. Guess someone forgot to tell Bombardier  
Quoting northstardc4m (Reply 6):
Under 200nm is not where the DH4 shines.


So basically Russia is their last hope for major orders ? Would the Q400 even be able to cope with your typical russian airfield ?

http://www.ainonline.com/aviation-ne...ier-sees-bright-future-q400-russia
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