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Evergreen Airlines Parks The 747-200 Classics

Fri Dec 28, 2012 4:53 am

Quoting FI642 (Reply 49):
They are working one one. Oh boy are they. Beware!!

So I've heard. Luckily AMC won't take the 767 and there is no conversion program for the 777.
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Evergreen Airlines Parks The 747-200 Classics

Fri Dec 28, 2012 5:42 am

Quoting airtran737 (Reply 48):
Omni doesn't have a freighter program. Atlas is the new juggernaut in the AMC business. They are everywhere.

Doesn't an AMC contract include moving pax for the DOD? Or were those GIs riding in the back of the Omni DC-10s that my son-in-law was flying, just in disguise?  
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Evergreen Airlines Parks The 747-200 Classics

Fri Dec 28, 2012 5:59 am

If Evergeen is truly in a crunch it will be a shame to see the regular visits of their classics come to an end here in Nagoya. Their birds have been regular visitors to NGO for the last few years, and always get the observers on Skydeck in an excited frenzy as both departures and arrivals have a tendency to use just about the entirety of rwy 18/36.


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Evergreen Airlines Parks The 747-200 Classics

Fri Dec 28, 2012 6:11 am

Quoting airtran737 (Reply 50):
So I've heard. Luckily AMC won't take the 767 and there is no conversion program for the 777.

Are you sure about that? I see an awful lot of North American 767s at my base moving personnel!
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Evergreen Airlines Parks The 747-200 Classics

Fri Dec 28, 2012 6:51 am

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I do not know who all is, but it is for an Afghanistan "shuttle".
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Evergreen Airlines Parks The 747-200 Classics

Fri Dec 28, 2012 7:12 pm

Quoting mayor (Reply 51):
Doesn't an AMC contract include moving pax for the DOD? Or were those GIs riding in the back of the Omni DC-10s that my son-in-law was flying, just in disguise?
Quoting KC135Hydraulics (Reply 53):
Are you sure about that? I see an awful lot of North American 767s at my base moving personnel!

You boys neglecting to read the post correctly? Did I not say "Omni doesn't have a freighter program. Atlas is the new juggernaut in the AMC business. They are everywhere."

Freighter being the operative word in this sentence. Omni doesn't own a DC-10, 777 or 767 freighter, although they are working on adding the 767 freighter which AMC won't use due to its contours.
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Evergreen Airlines Parks The 747-200 Classics

Fri Dec 28, 2012 7:27 pm

Quoting airtran737 (Reply 55):
You boys neglecting to read the post correctly? Did I not say "Omni doesn't have a freighter program. Atlas is the new juggernaut in the AMC business. They are everywhere."

Freighter being the operative word in this sentence. Omni doesn't own a DC-10, 777 or 767 freighter, although they are working on adding the 767 freighter which AMC won't use due to its contours.

It wasn't your post where I missed freighter......it was further up the line where I missed it. It should have been obvious to me in those posts, when they were referring to BCFs, 777Fs, etc., that it was a cargo contract they were talking about.




BTW, does anyone know if the Air Force still contracts with freight carriers within the CONUS in the LOGAIR program?

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Evergreen Airlines Parks The 747-200 Classics

Sun Dec 30, 2012 12:16 am

Another one came into Pease last night, so that makes four. A Southern Air 744 also came in; quick-thinking spotters could have taken a photo of five 747s on the tarmac there this morning...something not even Boston can boast.

The 744 left for Dover late this morning, but those Evergreen 747s aren't going anywhere in the imminent future.
 
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RE: Evergreen Airlines Parks The 747-200 Classics

Wed Jan 02, 2013 4:50 pm

It will be interesting to see how it all plays out with Evergreen and the rest of the charter carriers. Ryan, World and Southern have all gone bankrupt recently. Omni and Atlas seem to be in a stable position. Not really sure how Kalitta is doing, but they always seem to make it.
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RE: Evergreen Airlines Parks The 747-200 Classics

Thu Jan 03, 2013 2:11 am

Quoting airtran737 (Reply 58):
It will be interesting to see how it all plays out with Evergreen and the rest of the charter carriers. Ryan, World and Southern have all gone bankrupt recently. Omni and Atlas seem to be in a stable position. Not really sure how Kalitta is doing, but they always seem to make it.

Agreed, I specifically am interested in seeing how this all plays out!
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RE: Evergreen Airlines Parks The 747-200 Classics

Thu Jan 03, 2013 5:35 am

Closure of LAX ground handling operation announced today, effective date 28Feb13. E.A.G.L.E. handles four carriers - LH, LX, MU and TN. Two of the four had notified E.A.G.L.E of their intent to change vendors. A third was "strongly rumored" to be changing. The fourth....merely rumored.

I believe the competing vendors smelled blood in the water and really put forth an effort to solicit EV's carriers.

Real good employees @ Evergreen - LAX. My thoughts are with them and I'm hoping they'll land in new positions quickly.
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RE: Evergreen Airlines Parks The 747-200 Classics

Thu Jan 03, 2013 8:18 am

Quoting airtran737 (Reply 58):
Not really sure how Kalitta is doing, but they always seem to make it.

CK has at least 2 747's parked next to building 81 at JFK for the past 2 weeks.
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RE: Evergreen Airlines Parks The 747-200 Classics

Thu Jan 03, 2013 8:48 am

Last Friday night EIA had to send a crew that was ready to depart JFK to IAH when the crew was serve a Federal Court injunction to cease and desist operating an engine on a 744F due to back payments on one of its powerplants. The flight was being operated as an SV flight. SV canceled the remaining 5 days left on the contract ending a long term relationship.
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RE: Evergreen Airlines Parks The 747-200 Classics

Thu Jan 03, 2013 10:05 am

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LOGAIR & Quicktrans have been gone 20 years.
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RE: Evergreen Airlines Parks The 747-200 Classics

Thu Jan 03, 2013 10:13 am

Jeez, it seems Evergreen is dying a death of a thousand cuts. Loosing E.A.G.L.E stations, owing back payments on everything. I wish the best to the employees, because when EV goes under, it seems a lot of good people will be out of work.
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RE: Evergreen Airlines Parks The 747-200 Classics

Thu Jan 03, 2013 8:21 pm

Southern Air has been operating out of HIK for sometime now ... they took over the EIA flights.
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RE: Evergreen Airlines Parks The 747-200 Classics

Thu Jan 03, 2013 8:53 pm

Quoting rsmith6621a (Reply 62):
Last Friday night EIA had to send a crew that was ready to depart JFK to IAH when the crew was serve a Federal Court injunction to cease and desist operating an engine on a 744F due to back payments on one of its powerplants. The flight was being operated as an SV flight. SV canceled the remaining 5 days left on the contract ending a long term relationship.

Did they get the plane out of JFK or is it still at the hangar?
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RE: Evergreen Airlines Parks The 747-200 Classics

Fri Jan 04, 2013 12:18 am

Quoting airtran737 (Reply 66):
Did they get the plane out of JFK or is it still at the hangar?

I do not know....it was suppose to go to MCI for repaint back to EIA colors today. I doubt that is possible if the aircraft has only 3 horses on the wings.

Also the crew was sent back to the hotel,I was not clear in my post.
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RE: Evergreen Airlines Parks The 747-200 Classics

Fri Jan 04, 2013 12:40 am

Quoting airtran737 (Reply 58):
Not really sure how Kalitta is doing, but they always seem to make it.

I had heard a rumor that Kalitta was going to park their 200s at the beginning of this year, but alas they are still operating them, so who knows what they are up too!

Could we be seeing the beginning of the end for major ACMI cargo ops in the US? Is this just a phase, or is this the new reality? Can the likes of World and Southern and Evergreen pull through, or will we be left with just Atlas for major cargo ops? Not trying to be dramatic, just a realistic question with all of the foreign wars winding down, contracts drying up and the lack of affordable 744F and BCFs
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RE: Evergreen Airlines Parks The 747-200 Classics

Fri Jan 04, 2013 1:40 pm

Quoting cbphoto (Reply 68):
Could we be seeing the beginning of the end for major ACMI cargo ops in the US? Is this just a phase, or is this the new reality? Can the likes of World and Southern and Evergreen pull through, or will we be left with just Atlas for major cargo ops? Not trying to be dramatic, just a realistic question with all of the foreign wars winding down, contracts drying up and the lack of affordable 744F and BCFs

I think that the like of World and Southern will survive in the long term. World has worked hard to diversify their cargo customers and not rely solely on AMC, as has Southern. They are both in Chapter 11 trying to shed debt, rationalize their fleets, and come out with a good product at a decent price. 747BDSF's can be had for about $400,000 a month and as more 777-300ER's and A350-1000's come on the market, there will be more 747's available for conversion thus lowering the lease rates.
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RE: Evergreen Airlines Parks The 747-200 Classics

Sat Jan 05, 2013 4:35 pm

Looks like Southern is retiring another 742 today, N783SA is on its way from JFK to MHV. 95500+ hours, 18500+ cycles.

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RE: Evergreen Airlines Parks The 747-200 Classics

Sat Jan 05, 2013 4:52 pm

Quoting Spacepope (Reply 70):
Looks like Southern is retiring another 742 today, N783SA is on its way from JFK to MHV. 95500+ hours, 18500+ cycles.

That ex-Nippon Cargo plane did a lot of mid- and shorthaul work in its career then with the average flight time just over 5 hours. 95500 hours alone is not really much for a 25 year old 747.
 
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RE: Evergreen Airlines Parks The 747-200 Classics

Sun Jan 06, 2013 5:43 pm

How much of that US DoD cargo that is transported on all those Volga AN124's could be moved on the B747-200's that are getting parked.
Funny if it's true that the DoD don't contract B747-200 anymore but the AN124 is fine.
I understand the AN124 can haul things the B747-200 can't but if this cargo was moved by C5 or C17 that would free up some lift the old B747-200 can do.
Seems unfair that US Freight companies are parking planes because of lack of demand but the US DoD continue to use the Volga, Polet, and Antonov companies.

Anyway just a thought
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RE: Evergreen Airlines Parks The 747-200 Classics

Sun Jan 06, 2013 6:17 pm

Quoting jetset (Reply 72):
How much of that US DoD cargo that is transported on all those Volga AN124's could be moved on the B747-200's that are getting parked.
Funny if it's true that the DoD don't contract B747-200 anymore but the AN124 is fine.
I understand the AN124 can haul things the B747-200 can't but if this cargo was moved by C5 or C17 that would free up some lift the old B747-200 can do.
Seems unfair that US Freight companies are parking planes because of lack of demand but the US DoD continue to use the Volga, Polet, and Antonov companies.

Anyway just a thought
Jetset

My guess, 0% of it! The AN-124 is a special beast with the rear folding ramp (or nose ramp) and the large cargo bay and can carry special items. My guess is even if all of the C-5s and C-17s are used, the DOD still has excess heavy cargo to be lifted, they would contract the AN-124! The 747 and AN-124 can't be used in the same sentence when it comes to hauling freight, they are just 2 completely different animals!


Just my two cents though!
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RE: Evergreen Airlines Parks The 747-200 Classics

Mon Jan 07, 2013 3:25 am

I have seen the AN-124 at March ARB on several occasions. Every time, it had Marine Corps helicopters loaded and flight aware indicated it was heading to Hawaii. I believe the AN-124s are being used over the C-17 because of the front loading and the width and height of the cargo bay. The AN-124 is larger than the C-5, so I guess the Marine Corps finds it a better suit for transporting its helicopters.
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RE: Evergreen Airlines Parks The 747-200 Classics

Mon Jan 07, 2013 4:51 am

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I got a nice video of her landing as well. Glad I did. Such a graceful bird.
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RE: Evergreen Airlines Parks The 747-200 Classics

Mon Jan 07, 2013 7:37 am

Quoting airtran737 (Reply 66):
Did they get the plane out of JFK or is it still at the hangar?

I saw the ex SV Cargo plane taxing in JFK early Saturday morning. The SV logo on the tail was painted over and all the world except for Cargo was painted over. Still in SV general colors though.
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