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RE: Irish 1/13; Brave New World

Mon Jan 07, 2013 3:01 pm

Is CityJet going Low Cost? This article is in French, but outlines some of the changes that the airline is introducing?

http://www.latribune.fr/entreprises-...air-france-face-aux-low-cost-.html


"Un aller simple à 49 euros TTC, en baisse de 20 euros par rapport au prix plus bas tarif proposé jusqu'ici en classe économique (69 euros). En contrepartie, des services jusqu'ici inclus dans le prix du billet qui disparaissent et deviennent pour certains des options payantes : c'est l'offre tarifaire sur 58 lignes domestiques et européennes au départ des bases de Paris-Orly, Marseille, Nice Toulouse mais aussi de London City Airport (les vols sont opérés par Cityjet) qu'a annoncée ce lundi Air France pour attirer les passagers dont le prix est le principal critère dans le choix d'une compagnie aérienne. "
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Mon Jan 07, 2013 5:06 pm

Quoting OA260 (Reply 47):
Quoting shamrock321 (Reply 48):

I hope the BA flights from BHD are more reliable, I want a good impression of BA on my first flight with them next week.
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RE: Irish 1/13; Brave New World

Mon Jan 07, 2013 8:35 pm

Interesting to note this Hawaiian Airlines order for A321Neos, which will be used on flights between Hawaii and the mainland; that's going to require 180mins ETOPs and of course, the range, at 3,600nm, is very favourable. I think a certain carrier will be watching this quite closely (sadly, not for flights to Hawaii!)
 
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RE: Irish 1/13; Brave New World

Mon Jan 07, 2013 11:25 pm

Quoting OA260 (Reply 47):
Lounge staff at DUB say there are quite a lot of delays on the BA DUB flights especially in the evening.

I wonder why. It´s not like they´re sending the old 734s.

Quoting dstc47 (Reply 49):
Good news from OCK.

Do you mean NOC?  
Quoting eicvd (Reply 51):
I hope the BA flights from BHD are more reliable, I want a good impression of BA on my first flight with them next week.

Hopefully it´ll be a better experience for you Mark!
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Tue Jan 08, 2013 12:11 am

With Brit Air, Regional & Airliner merging together to make HOP for french regional flying and the new low cost strategy AF are rolling out, where does that leave Cityjet? Go it fully alone?

Never made sense to me why they still have HQ in DUB ( tax reasons?) when most of the operation is based in LCY.

Anyone with a better insight?
 
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RE: Irish 1/13; Brave New World

Tue Jan 08, 2013 12:38 am

Quoting shamrock321 (Reply 48):

Hmm well a good recovery email from BA has been received and they specifically mentioned that they are looking into areas where they can bring DUB in line with the consistency of BAs other stations. So it seems they are aware and took onboard the issues I have raised. BA customer service is very good I have to say that. Just when things go wrong they are at the mercy of their handling agents at out stations which fall below the BA standard. Anyway lets hope its not a half hearted effort due to cutting the route eventually. I quite like having BA back on the route. Over the last number of weeks 5 out of 6 flights have been great with great crew.

Quoting eicvd (Reply 51):

Indeed Im sure it will be and you will enjoy .  
Quoting aerdingus (Reply 53):

I know all my flights have been ex BD aircraft.
 
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Tue Jan 08, 2013 9:03 am

Quoting aerdingus (Reply 53):
Do you mean NOC?

Yes indeed, or Knock, not OCK!
 
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RE: Irish 1/13; Brave New World

Tue Jan 08, 2013 12:25 pm

The Sunday Times makes apology to Ryanair and pays substantial damages. Nice to see that the money is going to the Jack and Jill Children's foundation.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/gree...de/2013/jan/07/sundaytimes-ryanair

[Edited 2013-01-08 04:26:48]
 
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RE: Irish 1/13; Brave New World

Tue Jan 08, 2013 3:17 pm

SNN has updated its profile on The Route Shop. I find it interesting that they see the requirement for additional capacity on the SNN-AGP and SNN-BOS routes.

http://www.therouteshop.com/shannon-airport/
 
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RE: Irish 1/13; Brave New World

Tue Jan 08, 2013 4:52 pm

Quoting AmricanShamrok (Reply 58):

SNN has updated its profile on The Route Shop. I find it interesting that they see the requirement for additional capacity on the SNN-AGP and SNN-BOS routes.

http://www.therouteshop.com/shannon-...port/

Well EI seem to have taken the hint on the extra capacity to BOS with the swapping over the schedule for BOS and JFK this year. I know it is only 1 extra flight but it is a start. Now if we could get some other airline to fly direct to Ireland from BOS it would be great. EI have a monopoly on this route.
 
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Wed Jan 09, 2013 12:01 am

Aer Lingus have started tests at JFK T5, EI-ELA was parked at one of the gates today and the plan is to start operations on St. Patrick's Day! A few photos were posted on Instagram so start date might not be 100% accurate.

Quoting AmricanShamrok (Reply 58):
SNN has updated its profile on The Route Shop. I find it interesting that they see the requirement for additional capacity on the SNN-AGP and SNN-BOS routes.

Interesting to see LTN still listed as an unserved UK route which they see having significant potential, would love to see Aer Lingus Regional start but don't think it's likely.
 
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Wed Jan 09, 2013 9:02 am

Hi folks;

I know this was discussed here before but I don't remember what the answer was  
Does the EI109 clear immigration in DUB now that it's at 15:45?

Looking at NYC in June and hopefully on the 109, but not if I have to do immigration at the other side.

Thanks
 
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Wed Jan 09, 2013 12:45 pm

More speculation on an FR deal with Boeing, 200 aircraft mentioned. MoL also uses the press conference to put the boot in at 2 legacy airlines who are not in great shape in bad way.

http://www.independent.ie/business/i...ng-for-200-new-planes-3347205.html

"Boeing have plenty of availability in the order book," Mr O'leary said. "We are in the fairly early stages of talks to see if we can reach an agreement on price."

"We are talking to 60 new airports we do not fly to it, some in Israel, we are inundated with requests and airport deals at the moment. We are frankly less enthused by Russia, Ukraine and those countries at the moment."

...Mr O'Leary predicted that the incumbent carriers in Scandinavia and Poland won't survive in their current form amid competition from domestic and foreign low-cost rivals....
 
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Wed Jan 09, 2013 4:52 pm

Quoting auntie (Reply 61):
Hi folks;

I know this was discussed here before but I don't remember what the answer was  
Does the EI109 clear immigration in DUB now that it's at 15:45?

Looking at NYC in June and hopefully on the 109, but not if I have to do immigration at the other side.

Thanks

The US Immigration closes at around 2pm IIRC. EI 109 clears immigration in the US.
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Wed Jan 09, 2013 6:30 pm

Quoting cipango (Reply 63):

USPC will have extended opening hours from 31 March. The 15.45 to JFK and ORD as well as the 16.15 to BOS will clear in Dublin .
 
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RE: Irish 1/13; Brave New World

Wed Jan 09, 2013 6:57 pm

Speaking of the 109, I just saw that it is not daily from now until March. I guess with only 4 330's operating per day(5 on Thurs from Feb), it gives EI a chance to get extented maintenance on some of them. EI-DAA is just back a check and I think Ei-DUO is in now.
 
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RE: Irish 1/13; Brave New World

Wed Jan 09, 2013 7:33 pm

Quoting cipango (Reply 63):
Quoting Jamie2k9 (Reply 64):

Thanks guys!

And Happy First a.net Birthday Jamie2k9  
 
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RE: Irish 1/13; Brave New World

Thu Jan 10, 2013 2:50 pm

Quoting EIBoston (Reply 65):
EI-DAA is just back a check and I think Ei-DUO is in now.

Any news on the WIFI installation work due to take place this winter? I assume launch is still planned for March, but installations will take place during the winter base maintenance program.
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Thu Jan 10, 2013 5:57 pm

Quoting EIDAA (Reply 67):
Any news on the WIFI installation work due to take place this winter? I assume launch is still planned for March, but installations will take place during the winter base maintenance program.

One would assume they will be done this winter. EI-EDY flew to France on Monday for a spell in the hanger.
 
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RE: Irish 1/13; Brave New World

Thu Jan 10, 2013 8:54 pm

Dublin had 19.1 million passengers in 2012 up 2% or 360,000 passengers.
Cork had 3.34 million passengers dwon from 2.4 million
Shannon had 1.4 million down from 1.6 million
http://www.dublinairport.com/gns/at-...p_2_At_Dublin_Airport_in_2012.aspx

2013 looks like another possitive yerar for Dublin with lots of extra capacity already announced:
Etihad - daily B777 replace A330 from 1 July
Turkish - 10 weekly IST up from 7 from 31 Marc
Iberia Express - 2 daily for July 13 up from 9 weekly and 10 weekly for August up from 8 weeklu
Delta - extra 3 weekly B763 flights from Mid June-Late August and larger B763 on daily rotation for the summer.
SAS - extra capacity to OSL and slight increase on CPH with A320 replacing MD-80
American - new daily JFK service from June
US Airways - B767 replace B757 on PHL from 1 May
Norwegion - New 2 weekly HEL service and extra flights to OSL
Air Canada - YYZ resumes a few weeks earlier in 2013
Aer Lingus - Growth on T/A routes
Aer Lingus Regional - new 3 daily BHX, EDI up to 5 daily (replace A320) + 2 extra based aircraft at DUB (one overnights in BHX)
Blue Air - OTP increases from 2 to 3 weekly for peak summer
Smartwings - New weekly PRG service from June
Air Moldova - Increase to 2 weekly and extend season resumes 30 April and uses E190 and via LGW and not FRA
Lufthansa - Increase MUC from 2 to 3 weekly from 1 May-2 October
Charter flights seem to have a slight increase for the summer to.

There could be one or two more things I leaving out but thats from top of my head. Also expect Emirates will add a second daily flight at some stage in 2013.
 
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RE: Irish 1/13; Brave New World

Fri Jan 11, 2013 11:09 am

Bit of an update in the IT today:

http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/...nance/2013/0111/1224328669970.html

"Ryanair has been told by the European Commission that it must propose further concessions to rescue a bid for Aer Lingus, according to reports. European Commission officials met executives from Dublin-based Ryanair in Brussels two days ago to discuss anti-trust objections to the bid and outlined shortcomings in remedies proposed by the carrier in December, Bloomberg reported yesterday. Ryanair had until the end of the month to respond."
 
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RE: Irish 1/13; Brave New World

Sat Jan 12, 2013 5:20 pm

Irish Air Letter says that the A320s to be used for the Virgin deal are DEI, DEO and two former Meridiana A320s I-EEZF and I-EEZG and not the rumoured CVA-C. These are to be kept in the fleet.
 
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Sun Jan 13, 2013 12:00 am

Not EI-DEI....the 'EI' on the tail always looked deliberate.....in case anyone didn't recognise the livery
 
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Sun Jan 13, 2013 11:15 am

Nice photo from Shannon in the good old days ...


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My dear old Granny, Lord rest her, used to tell me how she and the family would drive down from Quin (a little village near Ennis) and see all the planes at Shannon. My grandfather, a garda sergeant, was involved in the rescue efforts for the KLM Connie that came down in the Fergus estuary, about ten years before. That was the accident where they only knew a plane had come down when a mud covered KLM pilot stagged into the control tower to tell them!
 
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Sun Jan 13, 2013 12:31 pm

Quoting kaitak (Reply 73):
My dear old Granny, Lord rest her, used to tell me how she and the family would drive down from Quin (a little village near Ennis) and see all the planes at Shannon

Ah, Capitol

Nice photo of an age when the general public regarded aircraft as a subject of interest and not as a source of a noise complaint and airports actually welcomed spectators with viewing terraces.

Hard to believe but in the early days much of the ramp at Shannon was only defended by a moveable barrier, rather like those you find today dividing lanes at airport check in desks! The blast fences and security screens came later.
 
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RE: Irish 1/13; Brave New World

Sun Jan 13, 2013 1:09 pm

Speaking of Shannon, 2012 passenger numbers dropped to a mid-1980s low of 1.39m in its fifth successive year of decline.

http://www.independent.ie/national-n...enger-numbers-down-2m-3348970.html

However, it appears to have bottomed out here - passenger numbers will actually grow this year for the first time since 2007, taking into account increased capacity by EI (earlier start dates for BOS, JFK, new FAO route), UA (new ORD route), US (return of PHL) and a 100% increase in Turkish charter traffic in the summer (all of this despite the removal of RE's second based AT7 during the summer)

There are also one or two exciting announcements to be made over the coming months...stay tuned  
 
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RE: Irish 1/13; Brave New World

Sun Jan 13, 2013 8:02 pm

Quoting kaitak (Reply 73):
My grandfather, a garda sergeant, was involved in the rescue efforts for the KLM Connie that came down in the Fergus estuary, about ten years before. That was the accident where they only knew a plane had come down when a mud covered KLM pilot stagged into the control tower to tell them!

That accident is well covered here and if you Google PH-LKY and the captain's name, Viruly, some Dutch sites with photos etc. come up. http://aviation-safety.net/database/record.php?id=19540905-0
 
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RE: Irish 1/13; Brave New World

Sun Jan 13, 2013 11:35 pm

Quoting IRISH251 (Reply 76):
That accident is well covered here and if you Google PH-LKY and the captain's name, Viruly, some Dutch sites with photos etc. come up. http://aviation-safety.net/database/...905-0


Yes, I've read a good bit about it in the past; I think Capt. Viruly was a very well known KLM pilot at the time and indeed an author of a well known book. He was also KLM's chief pilot, a position he had held for 10 years, when the previous chief pilot - the famous Capt. Parmentier - had been killed in another Constellation crash near Prestwick.

I think KLM lost quite a number of Connies; there was another lost after takeoff from SNN, from which unfortunately there were no survivors. That was in 1958, with the loss of 99 people; the cause of that crash was never accurately established, due to the depth to which the wreckage sank.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/KLM_Flight_607-E

[Edited 2013-01-13 15:48:27]

[Edited 2013-01-13 15:55:01]
 
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Mon Jan 14, 2013 7:15 am

Quoting IRISH251 (Reply 76):
Speaking of Shannon, 2012 passenger numbers dropped to a mid-1980s low of 1.39m in its fifth successive year of decline.

I was expecting that there would be a slight decline in passenger numbers at SNN this year but it is disappointing to hear it is still falling at a rate of 14% per year. On a more positive note, it is good to hear most of the decline is due to falling US troop numbers (a revenue stream that SNN was always going to have to learn to live without) rather than a further decline in local traffic. However, there are plenty of reasons to be reasonably optimistic for the forthcoming year.
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Mon Jan 14, 2013 3:06 pm

Quoting AmricanShamrok (Reply 75):
There are also one or two exciting announcements to be made over the coming months...stay tuned

Am I correct to suspect this could be official news on the Canadian and Russian rumours? the next few months will crawl by!
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Mon Jan 14, 2013 6:10 pm

Quoting tonymctigue (Reply 78):
On a more positive note, it is good to hear most of the decline is due to falling US troop numbers (a revenue stream that SNN was always going to have to learn to live without)

Yes, military ops are not in the SNN business plan; nice to get the traffic but not something the airport authority is focused on growing as much as commercial and transit business. However in saying that, it is hoped military preclearance will be approved sometime this year.

Quoting Jambost (Reply 79):
Am I correct to suspect this could be official news on the Canadian and Russian rumours? the next few months will crawl by!

No, not Canada or Russia...but let's just say one fairly big transit announcement, NOT Transaero (expected to be announced quite imminently actually) and one less significant, but still great, shorthaul route announcement  
 
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Mon Jan 14, 2013 9:31 pm

Well, today I noticed that the new pre-order menu items are available on the Aer Lingus web site.

I have a Seared Beef Salad and a Chicken Noodle Salad all booked for my DUB-CDG and CDG-DUB in two weeks time. Quite looking forward to giving them a taste!!

Meanwhile, I flew BA at the weekend - DUB-LHR-EDI-LHR-DUB. I have to say the BMI A320 seats are really hard on the bum conpared to the BA seats. I thought the "catering" was piss poor - a choice of a tiny bag of crisps, chocolate cookies or a fruit and nut mix and a drink. Considering I had it 4 times on 4 flights, it got a bit boring, and I tried it all. It's adequate.

The old EI GC lounge that is now the DAA T1 lounge was pretty basic. The Galleries South in T5 - amazing! I had 5 quarters of sandwiches (cucumber, sausage, chicken, and more) then noticed the hot foot! Amazing! Serve yourself so I had moroccan meatballs over cous cous and some wine. Delicious! Galleries lounge in Edinburgh small but well served... but the real revelation was the BA UK and Ireland lounge which is the former BMI UK and Ireland lounge. Really impressed with the design and the space and the low lighting. Lovely! I had two bowls of soup (and that was the last of the soup in the lounge) and some crisps and read the paper. Afterwards, boarding was from Gate 8A, and lo and behold the lounge has another exit directly at that gate.

The fast track at all ports was great, but as an Australian passport holder, I flummoxed the guys in T5 on the way out - he said I didn't need a landing card as I was in the common travel area and just stamped the passport. On the way back in T1, I was told that the Republic of Ireland wasn't part of the common travel area, and when I queried it, I was told that Belfast and Northern Ireland were but the Republic wasn't. Fail to the girl at Border Control in Terminal 1. Couldn't believe it at all really.

Fun times anyway  
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Mon Jan 14, 2013 9:44 pm

Quoting AmricanShamrok (Reply 80):
No, not Canada or Russia...but let's just say one fairly big transit announcement, NOT Transaero (expected to be announced quite imminently actually) and one less significant, but still great, shorthaul route announcement

If its a T/A route then it has to be United DUB-SFO.
 
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Mon Jan 14, 2013 10:10 pm

Quoting Jamie2k9 (Reply 82):
If its a T/A route then it has to be United DUB-SFO.

I don't think so; UAL has announced its flights for next Summer and sadly, DUB-SFO doesn't figure.

Also, AmericanShamrok refers to a transit announcement, so I think it's in relation to a new route through Shannon.
 
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Mon Jan 14, 2013 10:16 pm

Quoting ClassicLover (Reply 81):
I thought the "catering" was piss poor - a choice of a tiny bag of crisps, chocolate cookies

Indeed Im fed up with those Lily Obrien cookies too   Still its better than what you used to get on BMI ! My recent flights have been in and out of BHD so UK Domestic and thus cookies no CE cabin or meals.

Quoting ClassicLover (Reply 81):
but the real revelation was the BA UK and Ireland lounge which is the former BMI UK and Ireland lounge. Really impressed with the design and the space and the low lighting. Lovely! I had two bowls of soup (and that was the last of the soup in the lounge) and some crisps and read the paper. Afterwards, boarding was from Gate 8A, and lo and behold the lounge has another exit directly at that gate.

Its a nice space to relax . Only issue is no plug sockets near the sofas only by the work stations. Also the catering other than the soup is dire. One thing I miss is the access to the Star lounge in T1 where there was a decent hot buffet. I guess you win some you loose some.

T5 F Class lounge with the lovely Champagne bar is a favourite of mine though. Cant beat a nice glass of Bollinger before a T5 departure. Not too long to wait for me thankfully  
 
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Tue Jan 15, 2013 4:44 am

Quoting kaitak (Reply 83):

I miss read tha post, thanks for pointing it out.

AmericanShamrok at least confirm which airport it will be from..
 
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Tue Jan 15, 2013 7:28 am

Quoting Jambost (Reply 79):
Quoting AmricanShamrok (Reply 80):
No, not Canada or Russia...but let's just say one fairly big transit announcement, NOT Transaero (expected to be announced quite imminently actually) and one less significant, but still great, shorthaul route announcement
Quoting kaitak (Reply 83):
Also, AmericanShamrok refers to a transit announcement, so I think it's in relation to a new route through Shannon.
Quoting Jamie2k9 (Reply 85):
AmericanShamrok at least confirm which airport it will be from..

Clearly there is something quite fascinating in the pipeline and AmericanShamrock is doing a wonderful job of keeping us all in suspense by telling us 90% of the news but not not divulging the details.... Look forward to hearing what it is all about!
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Tue Jan 15, 2013 10:57 am

Quoting OA260 (Reply 84):
Indeed Im fed up with those Lily Obrien cookies too Still its better than what you used to get on BMI ! My recent flights have been in and out of BHD so UK Domestic and thus cookies no CE cabin or meals.

Yeah, I know what you mean. To be honest, I actually prefer having a BOB option - hungry? Buy a breakfast. At least it's then real food. Still, the flights were very short so I really can't complain too much.

Quoting OA260 (Reply 84):
Also the catering other than the soup is dire.

Agree with you there. It was crisps or crisps. The soup was lovely!

Quoting OA260 (Reply 84):
T5 F Class lounge with the lovely Champagne bar is a favourite of mine though. Cant beat a nice glass of Bollinger before a T5 departure. Not too long to wait for me thankfully

I've not had the pleasure. You'll have to guest me in one day   ... I do have a bottle of Bollinger in my cupboard from Christmas which I am saving though.

The loads on the BA flights were fairly light as well. I was having a bit of a ponder and I wondered if it would make sense for BA to codeshare with EI and basically pool all the flights together. That would free up a couple of A320s for EI to open other routes/increase frequency and fill the BA aircraft. I guess it might not be possible unless they removed Club Europe and made the Dublin flights a la UK domestic. It was a thought anyway!
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Tue Jan 15, 2013 5:53 pm

Quoting AmricanShamrok (Reply 80):

No, not Canada or Russia...but let's just say one fairly big transit announcement, NOT Transaero (expected to be announced quite imminently actually) and one less significant, but still great, shorthaul route announcement
Quoting tonymctigue (Reply 86):

Exciting times for SNN, congratulations to their Independence and I wish them the best success for the future to come.

Belfast could not have a worse possible start to the new year, tourist killing images from the city has dampened my hopes for new inbound tourist routes.
I wonder if UA have suffered declining load factors from Newark to Belfast, we need American tourists to keep the route viable.
Also I doubt EY / EK / QR would consider possibly launching a direct middle eastern route any time soon, despite relying on transfer traffic to Australia and beyond.

Good luck to both BFS & BHD , it will be a challenging year.
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Tue Jan 15, 2013 6:15 pm

Quoting ClassicLover (Reply 87):
Yeah, I know what you mean. To be honest, I actually prefer having a BOB option - hungry? Buy a breakfast. At least it's then real food. Still, the flights were very short so I really can't complain too much.

True . Thats why I like the new EI approach to BOB before departure. Id like an option on BA for that also . Basically you would still get your basics cookies etc.. but have the option to upgrade to a hot meal. I can see BA being against that though as if offered on the DUB route it would dillute their CE product. It could work for Domestics though.

Quoting ClassicLover (Reply 87):
You'll have to guest me in one day  

You would be most welcome  
Quoting Jambost (Reply 88):
Belfast could not have a worse possible start to the new year, tourist killing images from the city has dampened my hopes for new inbound tourist routes.

True. Although I have flown into BHD last week and thought I may have some issues as you can never tell where it will flare up. The area around BHD is a prime location for such displays of ''culture''. Thankfully there were no issues at all and I got to Central in a taxi and then the Enterprise to Newry without issues. Some tourists being interviewed mentioned that their flight was empty coming over. Its hard to judge what effect it is having as its a quiet period now anyway. My flight last week was rather empty also. Hopefully the icy weather will calm things down. I hear those Pennys fleeces don't work that well in the cold.    
 
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RE: Irish 1/13; Brave New World

Tue Jan 15, 2013 8:33 pm

It's been reported on another forum that there was a significant movement in EI shares at about 10.45am this morning, of about 1.2m; some speculation that EY is increasing its shareholding.

Apparently the share price has also increased significantly.
 
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RE: Irish 1/13; Brave New World

Wed Jan 16, 2013 3:04 am

The Aer Lingus share price is currently at €1.22 and has been climbing since the start of the year but more noticeably in the past few days. The Business Post reports the shares have risen as the Competition Commissioner has said Ryanair is about to submit new concessions, maybe some feel these may actually give Ryanair a chance of getting their bid through?

I've lost count how many time Ryanair has submitted new concessions.

Quoting ClassicLover (Reply 81):
I thought the "catering" was piss poor - a choice of a tiny bag of crisps, chocolate cookies or a fruit and nut mix and a drink.

I think BA catering has fallen behind in the past year or two for economy flights in Europe, it seems to be a very small snack like the options you mention and not much else. A couple of weeks ago I was on Lufthansa MUC-LHR and the crew spent most of the flight handing out sandwiches, regular drink refills and even blankets to anyone who wanted them! Once the initial service had finished the crew came around again with a second round of drinks and handing out the remaining sandwiches, that kind of performance left a lot of airlines in the shade.

Overall in Europe I think we're very lucky that low fare carriers have really upped their game with catering as well, it used to be one of the negatives but is now an added bonus for choosing them over the full service carriers, the menus are far more extensive and usually taste better with price not really being an issue. I'm pleased to see Aer Lingus as one of the leaders in this but they're not alone, Nicki, Norwegian and Air Berlin have got some great meal options too. I'd actually like to see Air Berlin in Ireland but it looks very unlikely with all their cutbacks.

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RE: Irish 1/13; Brave New World

Wed Jan 16, 2013 7:29 am

Quoting OA260 (Reply 89):
True. Although I have flown into BHD last week and thought I may have some issues as you can never tell where it will flare up. The area around BHD is a prime location for such displays of ''culture''. Thankfully there were no issues at all and I got to Central in a taxi and then the Enterprise to Newry without issues. Some tourists being interviewed mentioned that their flight was empty coming over. Its hard to judge what effect it is having as its a quiet period now anyway. My flight last week was rather empty also. Hopefully the icy weather will calm things down. I hear those Pennys fleeces don't work that well in the cold.    

I went to Belfast near the start of December, the first weekend of the current ""displays of "culture"". The flights were busy as expected at that time of the year. On the news just before we left for the airport they were reporting the riots in Belfast. We thought about not going and just staying at home, However we did go and saw nothing, other than a few guys with a ladder trying to fix a union jack to every lamp-post on the Upper Newtownards road.

My point is it takes very little to scare tourists off, they see the images on the internet of TV news and they think all of NI is like that.

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RE: Irish 1/13; Brave New World

Wed Jan 16, 2013 8:15 am

Quoting Richcandy (Reply 92):
My point is it takes very little to scare tourists off, they see the images on the internet of TV news and they think all of NI is like that.

That is unfortunately the problem and even though it is a silly reason for people to not go somewhere, it otfen does affect people's travel plans. Given that you'd always expect December flights leading up to Christmas to be very busy and January flights to be very quiet, one cannot gain an accurate picture what if any affect it will have. The Easter and summer bookings will give a more accurate picture.
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RE: Irish 1/13; Brave New World

Wed Jan 16, 2013 11:59 am

Quoting tonymctigue (Reply 93):
Given that you'd always expect December flights leading up to Christmas to be very busy and January flights to be very quiet

True.

This month is believed in the travel trade to be the time many people make their holiday decisions, so the film and headlines from Belfast may be exceptionally unhelpful to air carriers serving NI at this time. Dont know how much coverage the rather insular US channels have given, but the riots are getting very considerable coverage on European TV channels.

Of course the scope is isolated, as it always was in the bad times, but a considerable number of travellers are risk adverse. The horseburger story wont help either.
 
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RE: Irish 1/13; Brave New World

Wed Jan 16, 2013 12:32 pm

Quoting dstc47 (Reply 94):
This month is believed in the travel trade to be the time many people make their holiday decisions, so the film and headlines from Belfast may be exceptionally unhelpful to air carriers serving NI at this time. Dont know how much coverage the rather insular US channels have given, but the riots are getting very considerable coverage on European TV channels.

Indeed and quite busy so far apparently which is good to see. With regards to coverage abroad it is getting a lot on most major channels. Even my own Family were asking me about it yesterday and how far away I was from it. They also didn't understand why its happening. That's the thing tourists will see the video footage on TV and it will have an impact on some as they don't understand its only in limited areas etc.. Tourism NI always seem to have it back to normal for a while only to have their efforts ruined by a small minority. With regards outbound traffic I doubt we will see a noticeable effect. Even during the troubles NI folk and business travellers continued to travel.
 
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RE: Irish 1/13; Brave New World

Wed Jan 16, 2013 5:11 pm

Quoting dstc47 (Reply 94):
Dont know how much coverage the rather insular US channels have given, but the riots are getting very considerable coverage on European TV channels.

Yet to see any coverage here. Syria, Mali, Hugo Chavez's health, Chinese smog and 787 issues in Japan - that's the majority of what the "media" see fit to report as news from outside the U.S., so unless there is an escalation the impact on travel should hopefully be minimal. More likely to see an impact from fare increases or a shift in the exchange rate.
 
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RE: Irish 1/13; Brave New World

Wed Jan 16, 2013 5:25 pm

Businesses in Belfast are counting the cost of a wave of riots they fear could undermine a fledgling tourist boom and scare foreign investors away from a city desperate top shake off its reputation for violence.

http://uk.reuters.com/article/2013/0...ence-economy-idUKBRE90A0ZV20130111

A 75% drop in beds sold at the Europa is scary ! Based on that and other hotel occupancy rates it would be interesting to see the figures from the airlines for January when available.
 
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RE: Irish 1/13; Brave New World

Wed Jan 16, 2013 5:44 pm

Quoting OA260 (Reply 97):
Businesses in Belfast are counting the cost of a wave of riots they fear could undermine a fledgling tourist boom and scare foreign investors away from a city desperate top shake off its reputation for violence

And it's a downward spiral too; more violence, more jobs lost, more idle hands, more frustration and anger.

Surely there has to be a solution to this; all this rioting over a bloody flag!

Quoting dstc47 (Reply 94):
The horseburger story wont help either.

Absolutely, there needs to be some clear answers and Tesco needs to answer the first one. Is there horsemeat in their burger, yea or ... neigh!

I thought in this day and age that all meat could be traced back to source; how the hell did a horse get into an abbatoir?

Anyway, back to aviation!

I'm surprised that there hasn't been any clarification of the large volume of shares traded; it seems very odd to me that such a high volume of shares can be traded without anyone knowing who the new holders are?
 
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RE: Irish 1/13; Brave New World

Wed Jan 16, 2013 10:11 pm

Quoting kaitak (Reply 98):
I'm surprised that there hasn't been any clarification of the large volume of shares traded; it seems very odd to me that such a high volume of shares can be traded without anyone knowing who the new holders are?

Indeed, could be an investment group hoping to sell on to FR or EY making a previously planned top up purchase.

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