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Quoting LAXintl (Thread starter): With first class cabins often going empty, or at discount rates typical of business class fares, according to Thierry Antinori, EVP of passenger sales at Emirates, "We are currently looking at how we can fit out some A380s with only two classes," EK is "unhappy with load factors in First Class". |
Quoting LAXintl (Thread starter): As the industry split grows between carriers that opt for ultra-luxurious first class cabins, while others ditch the concept entirely and look to provide a top end business class cabin instead, looks like Emirates is considering joining the list of airlines scrapping F class on some of its A380s. |
Quoting MaverickM11 (Reply 3): uoting LAXintl (Thread starter): With first class cabins often going empty, or at discount rates typical of business class fares, according to Thierry Antinori, EVP of passenger sales at Emirates, "We are currently looking at how we can fit out some A380s with only two classes," EK is "unhappy with load factors in First Class". Well, well, well....color me unsurprised. That shower isn't generating revenue? |
Quoting MaverickM11 (Reply 3): Well, well, well....color me unsurprised. That shower isn't generating revenue? |
Quoting PHX787 (Reply 1): Sure ifs f class and you gotta pay in order to play, more or less, but its all about prices. If EK is charging extravagant prices for their F class less people will fly. Plain and simple. |
Quoting JAAlbert (Reply 6): Maybe its just sour grapes for me (usually sitting in the cattle class) but some of the first class products seem to me just so over the top they become vanity products. A flat bed is great, comfortable seats and work space fine, but showers and private mini-suites seem ridiculous to me. Many international flights are less than 11 hours and most of the flat bed business class offerings are more than adequate even for ultra long haul. |
Quoting qf002 (Reply 8): I don't see this is a suggestion to remove F in existing planes, but rather to take some without F in future. |
Quoting Stitch (Reply 12): I can see LHR needing First Class, but does MAN? |
Quoting Stitch (Reply 12): I was under the impression EK always planned to operate A380s in a two-class configuration of Business and Economy Classes. |
Quoting flyguy89 (Reply 4): I see it all as cyclical really. What F used to be is now Business Class, and what Business Class used to be is now Premium Y. When international Business Class originally started it was pretty much the same as Premium Y until TWA and other carriers started upgrading the seating from Y seats with more legroom to recliner premium-style seats. |
Quote: Emirates has upgraded its evening service from Manchester from a two class Boeing 777-300ER to a three class Boeing 777-300ER, with the service starting on Saturday 1st September 2012...... Emirates has identified Manchester as an important hub in the UK and this announcement supports the continued commitment and investment by the airline in the North West of England. |
Quote: Emirates finds ‘unprecedented demand’ for First and Business class services from Manchester |
Quoting migair54 (Reply 15): If they offer it´s because they really have the demand.... |
Quoting BlueShamu330s (Reply 20): I am on my iPad, so don't have the link, but EK are on record as saying First yields from MAN have been stellar, hence the introduction of First on all 3 daily rotations and the not too shabby investment in lounge facilities at MAN. |
Quoting MaverickM11 (Reply 21): |
Quoting TWA772LR (Reply 24): Maybe if they didn't chard $20,000 for a seat, they would have more people flying in F. |
Quoting LAXintl (Reply 11): With EK having such a diverse network, a one cabin fits all concept does not work in all markets. |
Quoting Stitch (Reply 12): I was under the impression EK always planned to operate A380s in a two-class configuration of Business and Economy Classes. |
Quoting TWA772LR (Reply 24): Maybe if they didn't chard $20,000 for a seat, they would have more people flying in F. |
Quoting ekgold (Reply 13): having been upgraded numerous times from J to F on the T7 with the suite, its rough going back to J, let alone Y |
Quoting Danfearn77 (Reply 22): Watch this space for the evening flight to switch to an A380. Rumour I've heard is it will later this year... |
Quoting david_itl (Reply 25): (a) EK not as expensive as some people think |
Quoting david_itl (Reply 25): (b) no deep discounting for F out of MAN! |
Quoting Roseflyer (Reply 16): Business class is so good that few are willing to pay for First Class. I predict first class almost disappearing in the next 10 years. Premium economy will grow, and we will be at the same seating configuration that we had 20 years ago, but with new names. |
Quoting MaverickM11 (Reply 3): Quoting LAXintl (Thread starter): With first class cabins often going empty, or at discount rates typical of business class fares, according to Thierry Antinori, EVP of passenger sales at Emirates, "We are currently looking at how we can fit out some A380s with only two classes," EK is "unhappy with load factors in First Class". Well, well, well....color me unsurprised. That shower isn't generating revenue? |
Quoting BlueShamu330s (Reply 20): I am on my iPad, so don't have the link, but EK are on record as saying First yields from MAN have been stellar, hence the introduction of First on all 3 daily rotations and the not too shabby investment in lounge facilities at MAN. |
Quoting LH7478i (Reply 30): A general suggestion about the apparently industry wide F problem : why not further decrease F cabin size? |
Quoting brilondon (Reply 29): If that were the case then they would not be talking like they are talking. I am more of the opinion that what they say then and what reality is may be two different things. |
Quoting david_itl (Reply 25): Just looked at MAN-SYD... with 3 A380 sectors, it comes in at just over $11,000 for a trip departing |
Quoting MaverickM11 (Reply 3): Well, well, well....color me unsurprised. That shower isn't generating revenue? |
Quoting AirlineCritic (Reply 28): Hmm.... maybe that's an idea. Anybody want to help me found a new low-cost airline that offers business class-only service? We could subcontract the actual aircraft and service from Ryanair, but have all tickets and marketing material speak about business class seats (all 189 of them in the 737). There'd even be plenty of voluntary upgrades to First Class (isle seat) and five course meals with beef main course (water, napkin, chips, beef jerky, a candy). I'm sure it would be a big marketing success! Think of the Facebook updates about your First Class upgrades! |
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Quoting ekgold (Reply 13): dont knock it until you have tried it..... having been upgraded numerous times from J to F on the T7 with the suite, its rough going back to J, let alone Y |
Quoting LAXintl (Reply 27): Here in LA, one can easily land 20-40% off headline premium class rates by using the proper travel agency with their net rates and airline contracts. |
Quoting L0VE2FLY (Reply 37): How many people take a shower every 14 hours? Which is the length of EK's longest A380 flight. Pax can't go for a sprint or a work out in-flight! Plus if you're flying F you can shower and use deodorant at the airport lounge. |
Quoting JAAlbert (Reply 44): Quoting L0VE2FLY (Reply 37): How many people take a shower every 14 hours? Which is the length of EK's longest A380 flight. Pax can't go for a sprint or a work out in-flight! Plus if you're flying F you can shower and use deodorant at the airport lounge. |
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Quoting L0VE2FLY (Reply 37): How many people take a shower every 14 hours? Which is the length of EK's longest A380 flight. Pax can't go for a sprint or a work out in-flight! Plus if you're flying F you can shower and use deodorant at the airport lounge. |
Quoting zippyjet (Reply 45): If it's available people will take advantage of it especially a novelty like in flight shower. |
Quoting spud757 (Reply 41): It'd be pretty stupid to upgrade all 3 flights to include F cabins if demand & yield wasn't there. Could have stuck with the 2 class 77W service. |
Quoting HB-IWC (Reply 42): In the near future, an increasing proportion of EK's B77W fleet will comprise 2-class aircraft. EK's 4 latest B77W deliveries have been 2-class aircraft, in part to fund additional frequencies to 2-class markets such as Manila and Jakarta, but also in part to change current 3-class routes to a 2-class product. |
Quoting HB-IWC (Reply 42): In the not so distant future, I can see markets such as Lisbon, Prague, St Petersburg, Athens, Warsaw, Algiers and Phuket revert to a 2-class product. Evidently, there are also a couple of existing A380 routes which are experiencing below average F demand. Amsterdam and Rome are likely among those markets. |
Quoting zippyjet (Reply 43): a lot of tired coach and business class passengers would jump at the chance at getting rubbed at 35,000 feet and melting their stress away in a steam or sauna then a nice shower. |
Quoting lightsaber (Reply 47): Any hints on EK's 2-class layout? |
Quoting Roseflyer (Reply 16): Business class is so good that few are willing to pay for First Class. I predict first class almost disappearing in the next 10 years. Premium economy will grow, and we will be at the same seating configuration that we had 20 years ago, but with new names. |
Quoting LAXintl (Thread starter): As the industry split grows between carriers that opt for ultra-luxurious first class cabins, while others ditch the concept entirely and look to provide a top end business class cabin instead, looks like Emirates is considering joining the list of airlines scrapping F class on some of its A380s. |