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RE: AA's 77W Is On The Move

Mon Jan 14, 2013 4:15 pm

This is the final paint scheme! See, they already applied the titles "American" to the fuselage.. so enjoy this new livery everyone, we now know how the entire fleet will look!      
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RE: AA's 77W Is On The Move

Mon Jan 14, 2013 4:19 pm

Quoting WA707atMSP (Reply 47):
Somewhere deep within AA's headquarters, the few people who actually know what the livery will look like, and when it will debut, are laughing at all the rumours and supposition they're seeing on this thread, and the other AA livery thread, and saying "Nobody on Anet has any ****ing clue what is going to happen!"

LOL I totally agree with you on this   

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RE: AA's 77W Is On The Move

Mon Jan 14, 2013 4:34 pm

Looking at the nose gear doors, I'm curious. Does the ship no. "7LA" appear to be in a slightly different typeface? I went through the database to look at AA aircraft and the ship nos. on nose gear doors. The number is usually in the Helvetica typeface that AA uses as part of the brand.

Maybe it's just the angle, but the letters "LA" seem to be slanted a bit to the right. It also appears that the letters "ETOPS" are also slanted to the right.

AA liveries prior to the current one used typefaces which slanted to the right.

I remember on an earlier posting, someone mentioned that he had a conversation with a couple of AA employees who worked at HQ. They claimed to have seen an artist rendering of the new livery, and that the base paint that the 773s are in is part of the livery. They also said that the new livery had somewhat of a retro look. Certainly the slant lettering on the nose gear doors would be consistant with a new livery/brand that had a retro look.

I wouldn't have noticed, except for the numbers "77-3" in a gold tone on the doors.
 
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RE: AA's 77W Is On The Move

Mon Jan 14, 2013 6:50 pm

As time moves on its more likely aircraft will either EIS as you see them now or delay EIS. We are just a tad over two weeks away from the big day and just guessing it will take about a week at least to get each aircraft done. So we are right on top of that date with nothing planned.....
 
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RE: AA's 77W Is On The Move

Mon Jan 14, 2013 7:30 pm

Quoting catdaddy63 (Reply 42):
7LC returned to PAE painted just like the first two.

6 days ago. And it's the only 77W within proximity to a paint hangar at the moment. Anyone know if it's sitting on the ramp or in a hangar at PAE?
 
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RE: AA's 77W Is On The Move

Mon Jan 14, 2013 7:35 pm

Maybe we should ask agents Mulder and Scully of the X Files to investigate because I have a feeling that aliens are behind this AA new livery  Just kidding of course. Why does it take more than a week to paint an aircraft? Remember that AA's 77W's are already painted and only require minor things to add to the aircraft as it is now.

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RE: AA's 77W Is On The Move

Tue Jan 15, 2013 1:37 am

I'm probably reading way too far into it, but could we see a greyscale sort of livery? I'm thinking a grey base, big black titles (same font) and a splash of red/blue/white (vertical stripes?) on the tail with the logo in black.
 
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RE: AA's 77W Is On The Move

Tue Jan 15, 2013 2:12 am

Quoting eksath (Reply 48):
Here are some pictures from the arrival and departure.

Beautiful photos, Suresh. It's good to know that someone was able to snap some photos of her at the other end of her flight.

Not sure about others, but I think that it's one sharp looking airplane (especially in the first photo). That color looks like it could make for a neat VIP livery.
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RE: AA's 77W Is On The Move

Tue Jan 15, 2013 2:20 am

I'm actually supprised of the fact that there have not been any "grey VIP 777 at MIA/DFW" threads.
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RE: AA's 77W Is On The Move

Tue Jan 15, 2013 2:36 am

There's supposed to be something regarding the New AA this week, right? Wednesday maybe?
 
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RE: AA's 77W Is On The Move

Tue Jan 15, 2013 2:57 am

Quoting Gulfstream650 (Reply 58):
I'm actually supprised of the fact that there have not been any "grey VIP 777 at MIA/DFW" threads.

With four(?) threads on the paint scheme pushing into the four figures total of posts, I think every a.net member knows those are AA planes.  

Of course, the "American" text next to Door 1L / 1R is probably a helpful hint, as well.  
 
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RE: AA's 77W Is On The Move

Tue Jan 15, 2013 3:08 am

Interesting that there are 6 windows for the 2 rows of F, and only 3 windows for the 2 rows of J in the first zone.
 
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RE: AA's 77W Is On The Move

Tue Jan 15, 2013 3:13 am

Quoting Mcoov (Reply 59):
There's supposed to be something regarding the New AA this week, right? Wednesday maybe?

Is that confirmed or just a rumour from someone here?
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RE: AA's 77W Is On The Move

Tue Jan 15, 2013 3:22 am

Quoting B747forever (Reply 62):
Is that confirmed or just a rumour from someone here?

I'll go out on a limb and say that is an A.net rumor or a rumor nonetheless.
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RE: AA's 77W Is On The Move

Tue Jan 15, 2013 3:33 am

Are those AA pilots or Boeing pilots flying that plane when she was at MIA?
 
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RE: AA's 77W Is On The Move

Tue Jan 15, 2013 4:26 am

Quoting PDX88 (Reply 54):
6 days ago. And it's the only 77W within proximity to a paint hangar at the moment. Anyone know if it's sitting on the ramp or in a hangar at PAE?

FWIW, there is a paint hangar at the Boeing San Antonio TX location.
 
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RE: AA's 77W Is On The Move

Tue Jan 15, 2013 5:01 am

Quoting B747forever (Reply 62):

I feel like if/when AA is going to announce a new livery they would have a big press conference in DFW about it; with all sorts of press and something posted on Facebook with a teaser of the new livery on the 77W. But what do I know?  
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RE: AA's 77W Is On The Move

Tue Jan 15, 2013 5:01 am

Quoting B747forever (Reply 62):
Quoting chepos (Reply 63):

Well, AA usually does their quaterly report on the third wednesday of the following month, so lets see that would be.............. The 16th. So unless something major changed due to the bankruptcy process, we should have the report out on wednesday and if there is any big announcement, I would expect it to be made public that day. So It may not be only a rumor.......... We just have to, again, sit and wait.
 
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RE: AA's 77W Is On The Move

Tue Jan 15, 2013 5:06 am

Quoting Robt760 (Reply 65):
Quoting PDX88 (Reply 54):
6 days ago. And it's the only 77W within proximity to a paint hangar at the moment. Anyone know if it's sitting on the ramp or in a hangar at PAE?

And there is another paint hanger that Boeing regularly sends aircraft to be painted. Its right down the road...Meacham Field in FTW. They could easily send them there for painting!
 
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RE: AA's 77W Is On The Move

Tue Jan 15, 2013 5:08 am

Quoting SXDFC (Reply 64):
Are those AA pilots or Boeing pilots flying that plane when she was at MIA?

AA flight number gotta be AA pilots.

http://flightaware.com/live/flight/A...8/history/20130113/1400Z/KDFW/KMIA
 
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RE: AA's 77W Is On The Move

Tue Jan 15, 2013 5:44 am

Quoting SXDFC (Reply 64):
Are those AA pilots or Boeing pilots flying that plane when she was at MIA?
Quoting 71Zulu (Reply 69):
AA flight number gotta be AA pilots.

Correct.
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RE: AA's 77W Is On The Move

Tue Jan 15, 2013 12:29 pm

Quoting Mcoov (Reply 59):
There's supposed to be something regarding the New AA this week, right? Wednesday maybe?

Only thing new this week at AA is the new Jetnet (company internal website)...and it is Wednesday.
 
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RE: AA's 77W Is On The Move

Tue Jan 15, 2013 8:17 pm

Quoting JoePatroni707 (Reply 71):
...and it is Wednesday.

I was guessing the day.
 
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RE: AA's 77W Is On The Move

Tue Jan 15, 2013 8:22 pm

Tangentially related question:

Is there a law or regulation stating that an airliner must carry the airline's name (or DBA) if it is to fly in revenue service?
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RE: AA's 77W Is On The Move

Tue Jan 15, 2013 8:26 pm

Quoting DocLightning (Reply 73):
Is there a law or regulation stating that an airliner must carry the airline's name (or DBA) if it is to fly in revenue service?

Yes, there is for 14 CFR 121 carriers, namely 14 CFR 119.9(b):

§ 119.9 Use of business names.

(a) A certificate holder under this part may not operate an aircraft under part 121 or part 135 of this chapter using a business name other than a business name appearing in the certificate holder's operations specifications.

(b) No person may operate an aircraft under part 121 or part 135 of this chapter unless the name of the certificate holder who is operating the aircraft, or the air carrier or operating certificate number of the certificate holder who is operating the aircraft, is legibly displayed on the aircraft and is clearly visible and readable from the outside of the aircraft to a person standing on the ground at any time except during flight time. The means of displaying the name on the aircraft and its readability must be acceptable to the Administrator.
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RE: AA's 77W Is On The Move

Tue Jan 15, 2013 9:22 pm

How the heck has this not been reveled yet?

Not going through the 3000 previous messages, has it been announced if AA is re-painting their entire fleet, new and old, with the new design?
 
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RE: AA's 77W Is On The Move

Tue Jan 15, 2013 9:26 pm

Quoting BlueBus (Reply 75):
Not going through the 3000 previous messages, has it been announced if AA is re-painting their entire fleet, new and old, with the new design?

That would be standard procedure for any new livery.

Quoting TZTriStar500 (Reply 74):
(b) No person may operate an aircraft under part 121 or part 135 of this chapter unless the name of the certificate holder who is operating the aircraft, or the air carrier or operating certificate number of the certificate holder who is operating the aircraft, is legibly displayed on the aircraft and is clearly visible and readable from the outside of the aircraft to a person standing on the ground at any time except during flight time. The means of displaying the name on the aircraft and its readability must be acceptable to the Administrator.

So what about alliance liveries in which the name of the airline might not even be visible to someone who can't read the reg?
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RE: AA's 77W Is On The Move

Tue Jan 15, 2013 9:36 pm

Quoting DocLightning (Reply 76):
So what about alliance liveries in which the name of the airline might not even be visible to someone who can't read the reg?

I'd say these are pretty visible:

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RE: AA's 77W Is On The Move

Tue Jan 15, 2013 9:51 pm

**Rumor**

AA to announce new livery on Thursday.

**end of rumor**

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RE: AA's 77W Is On The Move

Tue Jan 15, 2013 9:54 pm

Quoting flyfree727 (Reply 78):
**Rumor**

AA to announce new livery on Thursday.

**end of rumor**

They'd better! This is getting ridiculous!
 
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RE: AA's 77W Is On The Move

Tue Jan 15, 2013 9:58 pm

Quoting flyfree727 (Reply 78):
**Rumor**

AA to announce new livery on Thursday.

**end of rumor**

We'll see... I hope so though, the last rumor did say sometime this week...
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RE: AA's 77W Is On The Move

Tue Jan 15, 2013 10:15 pm

Quoting DocLightning (Reply 76):
So what about alliance liveries in which the name of the airline might not even be visible to someone who can't read the reg?

From the examples, it can actually be quite small as long as its visible standing next to the aircraft to meet the rule. In essence, anything else can be put on the aircraft itself as long as the intent of 14 CFR 119.9(b) is met. The rules are different for registration numbers which are under 14 CFR 45.23 to 45.29.
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RE: AA's 77W Is On The Move

Tue Jan 15, 2013 10:36 pm

Pinnacle's "Operated by Pinnacle Airlines, Inc" is pretty small but legible:

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RE: AA's 77W Is On The Move

Tue Jan 15, 2013 10:54 pm

Quoting 71Zulu (Reply 82):
Pinnacle's "Operated by Pinnacle Airlines, Inc" is pretty small but legible:

As is the "Operated by ExpressJet Airlines" found on EV aircraft.

Oddly enough, both DL Connection and UA Express planes for EV have the same decal with UA's font of choice, FF Clan, on the stickers. I guess printing DL-specific decals with Whitney instead of FF Clan was cost-prohibitive.   

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RE: AA's 77W Is On The Move

Tue Jan 15, 2013 10:58 pm

Quoting 71Zulu (Reply 82):
Pinnacle's "Operated by Pinnacle Airlines, Inc" is pretty small but legible:

also, such regional carriers usually maintain a "DBA" ("Doing Business As") for their major regional contracts, right? IIRC, a "DBA" can be used as the main name. Pinnacle Airlines DBA Delta Connection.
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RE: AA's 77W Is On The Move

Tue Jan 15, 2013 11:12 pm

Quoting DocLightning (Reply 84):
also, such regional carriers usually maintain a "DBA" ("Doing Business As") for their major regional contracts, right? IIRC, a "DBA" can be used as the main name. Pinnacle Airlines DBA Delta Connection.

Either that or "Operated By", as in "United Express operated by ExpressJet Airlines", with "Operated By" being more common these days than "DBA".
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RE: AA's 77W Is On The Move

Wed Jan 16, 2013 12:47 am

Quoting FWAERJ (Reply 85):
Either that or "Operated By", as in "United Express operated by ExpressJet Airlines", with "Operated By" being more common these days than "DBA".

Yes, as it presents the marketed name first, instead of the regional first.
 
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RE: AA's 77W Is On The Move

Wed Jan 16, 2013 2:40 am

Quoting flyfree727 (Reply 78):
**Rumor**

AA to announce new livery on Thursday.

**end of rumor**

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Just about time they announce it.
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RE: AA's 77W Is On The Move

Wed Jan 16, 2013 5:51 am

Quoting B747forever (Reply 87):
Just about time they announce it.

Would someone please call up AA's HQ and tell them that they are killing us by holding off on the new livery and won't they please think of the poor A.nutters who are DYING to see it and then will (undoubtely) voice all sorts of scorn when they finally do see it?

Surely AA's corporate management cares deeply about us...

  
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RE: AA's 77W Is On The Move

Wed Jan 16, 2013 8:18 am

Quoting flyfree727 (Reply 78):
**Rumor**

AA to announce new livery on Thursday.

**end of rumor**

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Realistically is there any 77W or 738 that could even be painted at this point ? It seems hard to believe.
 
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RE: AA's 77W Is On The Move

Wed Jan 16, 2013 1:00 pm

The truth is that due to globaliation and the rise of Asia, the branding will change from "American" to "Chinese". It's going to be a culture shock at first but it's for the best in the long term.....
 
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RE: AA's 77W Is On The Move

Wed Jan 16, 2013 1:23 pm

Quoting runway23 (Reply 89):
Realistically is there any 77W or 738 that could even be painted at this point ? It seems hard to believe.

How so? How long does it take to put decals on?? No one said the titles have to be painted on....

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RE: AA's 77W Is On The Move

Wed Jan 16, 2013 2:40 pm

Well, results are out for the 2012 4th quarter and full year. And no mention of the new livery at all.
 
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RE: AA's 77W Is On The Move

Wed Jan 16, 2013 3:02 pm

Horton announced today on message to employees that the new livery will be revealed VERY soon! I guess it'll be this week!  .
 
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RE: AA's 77W Is On The Move

Wed Jan 16, 2013 4:49 pm

 
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RE: AA's 77W Is On The Move

Wed Jan 16, 2013 4:59 pm

Quoting PRAirbus (Reply 93):
Horton announced today on message to employees that the new livery will be revealed VERY soon! I guess it'll be this week! .

His definition of very soon and airliners.net definition of very soon are likely two different things.
Perhaps the new livery will be released before any airplanes are painted??? At this point its anyones guess.
 
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RE: AA's 77W Is On The Move

Wed Jan 16, 2013 5:47 pm

Quoting JoePatroni707 (Reply 95):
His definition of very soon and airliners.net definition of very soon are likely two different things.
Perhaps the new livery will be released before any airplanes are painted??? At this point its anyones guess.

I'd expect them to make a big deal like Delta did at the time. And this is AA changing their livery and branding, it is a huge deal.
 
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RE: AA's 77W Is On The Move

Wed Jan 16, 2013 7:26 pm

AA's future new branding will be its latest brand development in the past 30yrs????
 
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RE: AA's 77W Is On The Move

Wed Jan 16, 2013 7:34 pm

Quoting N243NW (Reply 18):
For the airline to debut its brand-new flagship aircraft on one of its most prestigious international routes with nothing more than a blank placeholder nightmare would be a PR fiasco. I have a feeling that AA's got something up their sleeves for this aircraft, and there are still more than 2 weeks to go before EIS.

I'm smelling emergence from bankruptcy in 2 weeks. This bird goes to the paint shop later this week, new branding applied. Then 2 weeks from now, hey presto, out of bankruptcy, new logo, new branding, new flaghship aircraft etc..,the new AA!
 
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RE: AA's 77W Is On The Move

Wed Jan 16, 2013 7:36 pm

Quoting PRAirbus (Reply 97):

AA's future new branding will be its latest brand development in the past 30yrs?

Hopefully, the new branding will be just as time-enduring.
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