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Iraq To Pay Kuwait Airways $500M For Invasion

Tue Jan 22, 2013 7:44 pm

After 22 years, Kuwait Airways has agreed on a settlement with the Iraqi government for the destruction of four airliners and theft of six others during the 1990 invasion. Kuwait had originally sought $1.2 billion.

A British Airways 747 was also destroyed during the invasion.

Full AFP story: http://www.nycaviation.com/2013/01/k...es-destroyed-during-1990-invasion/
 
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RE: Iraq To Pay Kuwait Airways $500M For Invasion

Tue Jan 22, 2013 8:23 pm

I'm glad this is being settled.

Seems like Iraq finally understands that this legal matter had to be concluded to remove ongoing threats against its aviation sector.

Shame it took waiting two decades to get KU some justice.
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RE: Iraq To Pay Kuwait Airways $500M For Invasion

Tue Jan 22, 2013 8:39 pm

Is there an inventory of what was destroyed or was it all A300s?
 
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RE: Iraq To Pay Kuwait Airways $500M For Invasion

Tue Jan 22, 2013 9:08 pm

http://www.airfleets.net/flottecie/Kuwait%20Airways.htm

Airfleets indicates 2 A300-600 and 2 B767-200's.

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RE: Iraq To Pay Kuwait Airways $500M For Invasion

Tue Jan 22, 2013 9:08 pm

According to Wikipedia, 42 aircraft were destroyed belonging to Kuwait Airways - then 10 stolen.
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RE: Iraq To Pay Kuwait Airways $500M For Invasion

Tue Jan 22, 2013 9:19 pm

KU lost more then just planes. They had their hangars, corporate office, training center and lots of objects from spare tires to type writters looted away to Iraq.

Sadly KU never properly recovered from the tragic set back.
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RE: Iraq To Pay Kuwait Airways $500M For Invasion

Wed Jan 23, 2013 3:01 am

What compensation do the human shields off of the BA flight receive? A friend
of the family was held in Iraq. He's still suffering because of the physical and
mental abuse he received.
 
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RE: Iraq To Pay Kuwait Airways $500M For Invasion

Wed Jan 23, 2013 10:32 am

What will KU use 500M for? If Kuwait had not been invaded then, and KU didn't have it's fleet destroyed or taken, is there any chance they could now be one of the strong powerhouses in the Middle East?
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RE: Iraq To Pay Kuwait Airways $500M For Invasion

Wed Jan 23, 2013 1:35 pm

Quoting RWA380 (Reply 7):
What will KU use 500M for? If Kuwait had not been invaded then, and KU didn't have it's fleet destroyed or taken, is there any chance they could now be one of the strong powerhouses in the Middle East?

I understand that KU is soon to invest in about 20 new aircraft, although I think they'll need much more than $500m to do that.

As to KWI being a major regional hub if the Iraqis had not invaded, I doubt it. KU has never been the most imaginative or visionary of airlines, though I can only imagine that it must be quite shocking/saddeing for Kuwaitis to see how the likes of QR, EY and EK have developed, while KU - which has been operating since the mid 1950s - has effectively stalled. It's not as if Kuwait is a poor country!

I think part of the reason is that for many years after the Gulf War, with Saddam Hussein still in power, there was still a lot of nervousness in Kuwait about its future and a reluctance to invest there, hence - apart from replacing destroyed aircraft - KU barely grew. I have no doubt that if Kuwait had someone with the vision and energy of QR's AAB, then KU would be a far larger and more successful airline today.
 
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RE: Iraq To Pay Kuwait Airways $500M For Invasion

Wed Jan 23, 2013 5:16 pm

KU were always a cheaper option tot he Fare East back in the 80's. They certainly had a good operation back then. The only drawback they had was no alcohol.
 
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RE: Iraq To Pay Kuwait Airways $500M For Invasion

Wed Jan 23, 2013 5:25 pm

What ever happened to the BA tail fin? I heard a british soldier managed to ship it back to England and had it in his back yard? BA insurers found out and recovered it? Can someone else elaborate?
 
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RE: Iraq To Pay Kuwait Airways $500M For Invasion

Wed Jan 23, 2013 5:35 pm

Doesn't this pave the way for Iraqi Airways to take delivery of some aircraft or something?
 
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RE: Iraq To Pay Kuwait Airways $500M For Invasion

Wed Jan 23, 2013 5:35 pm

Quoting gulfstream650 (Reply 4):

According to Wikipedia, 42 aircraft were destroyed belonging to Kuwait Airways - then 10 stolen.

No, according to Wikipedia, 10 aircraft were stolen, and of those 4 were destroyed. The other 6 were returned by Iran in 1992.

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RE: Iraq To Pay Kuwait Airways $500M For Invasion

Wed Jan 23, 2013 8:21 pm

Quoting kaitak (Reply 8):
As to KWI being a major regional hub if the Iraqis had not invaded, I doubt it. KU has never been the most imaginative or visionary of airlines, though I can only imagine that it must be quite shocking/saddeing for Kuwaitis to see how the likes of QR, EY and EK have developed, while KU - which has been operating since the mid 1950s - has effectively stalled. It's not as if Kuwait is a poor country!

Well said, couldn't agree more.

Quoting kaitak (Reply 8):
I have no doubt that if Kuwait had someone with the vision and energy of QR's AAB, then KU would be a far larger and more successful airline today.

Now it is in the privatization process so hopefully we can see some light at the end of the tunnel.
I think within the next three years we will see the new and improved KU. a major fleet change in process by leasing 5 to 10 aircraft initially, then a new order of aircrafts. by then, the new KWI terminal 2 should be ready.
Lets hope this come to reality soon.
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RE: Iraq To Pay Kuwait Airways $500M For Invasion

Thu Jan 24, 2013 4:13 am

Quoting bennett123 (Reply 3):
Airfleets indicates 2 A300-600 and 2 B767-200's.

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RE: Iraq To Pay Kuwait Airways $500M For Invasion

Thu Jan 24, 2013 6:01 pm

Will Iraqi Airways get any compensation from the Iranians for all the aircraft they flew to Iran for protection and then "disappeared" into the IAF or IR, or were used presumably spares ? I suppose not since Iraq was the aggressor in the whole situation.

As I recall it was largely Il76s but one of the 747-270C and a 737-270C went East.

I would love to know what happened to the SP they had YI-ALM. There's a picture on Wikipedia (link below) not sure if this is the same one or not, registration appears to be different ......anyone know?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Iraqi_Airways_727-200,_747-SP.jpg
 
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RE: Iraq To Pay Kuwait Airways $500M For Invasion

Thu Jan 24, 2013 9:35 pm

Quoting kaitak (Reply 8):
I understand that KU is soon to invest in about 20 new aircraft, although I think they'll need much more than $500m to do that.

Hearing that for quite some years now and so far nothing has happened. 
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RE: Iraq To Pay Kuwait Airways $500M For Invasion

Thu Jan 24, 2013 10:58 pm

Quoting n729pa (Reply 15):
I would love to know what happened to the SP they had YI-ALM. There's a picture on Wikipedia (link below) not sure if this is the same one or not, registration appears to be different ......anyone know?

Iraqi had more than 1 SP...
ALM (Saddam's flying palace) is, AFAIK, abandoned (officially stored) in Tunisia, along with YI-AGP (747-200)
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RE: Iraq To Pay Kuwait Airways $500M For Invasion

Fri Jan 25, 2013 8:14 am

Quoting northstardc4m (Reply 17):
Iraqi had more than 1 SP...
ALM (Saddam's flying palace) is, AFAIK, abandoned (officially stored) in Tunisia, along with YI-AGP (747-200)



Thanks very much for that, I hadn't realised there were two either. Sad to see, I don't suppose the Tunisian ones will ever fly again.



I wonder if Saddam hid all his weapons of mass destruction inside his 747s....has anyone checked?   
 
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RE: Iraq To Pay Kuwait Airways $500M For Invasion

Fri Jan 25, 2013 9:04 am

Quoting n729pa (Reply 18):
The other 747-200s are both "stored" in Iran, without markings.

One was overhauled and is now with the IRIAF. The other one appears to have been used for parts.
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