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RE: Turkish Aviation February 2013

Thu Feb 07, 2013 5:07 pm

Quoting TK787 (Reply 43):
So, I left DL Skymiles for Turkey flights and started flying TK mostly to IST, putting those miles toward UA Mileage Plus.
After a year, I found out that I can't get to a Premier Level with those miles, since I haven't flown any UA flights.

No brainer IMO, move to TK's M&S program. UA's MP is useful only if you're flying UA, LH, NH etc. - due to the bonus miles on those airlines. However the requirement of 4 flights on UA metal is a bummer. As is the lack of any extra benefits when flying TK as a UP *G.
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RE: Turkish Aviation February 2013

Thu Feb 07, 2013 10:13 pm

Winter storm expected in NYC and area tomorrow. More than 1000 flights cancelled.
TK cancelling tomorrows NYC flights or play the divert game to Boston, IAD and such????
 
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RE: Turkish Aviation February 2013

Thu Feb 07, 2013 10:38 pm

Flights to Friedrichshafen have been announced with starting date 02MAY:

TK1385 IST FDH 1405 1605
TK1386 FDH IST 1655 2050

Loaded as 4 weekly with A320.
 
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RE: Turkish Aviation February 2013

Thu Feb 07, 2013 10:43 pm

Quoting HB-IWC (Reply 52):

Yep!
Luxor and Aswan next on the list, beginning of March, followed by Houston beginning of April.
 
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RE: Turkish Aviation February 2013

Fri Feb 08, 2013 4:34 am

Quoting HB-IWC (Reply 52):

Flights to Friedrichshafen have been announced with starting date 02MAY:

TK1385 IST FDH 1405 1605
TK1386 FDH IST 1655 2050

Loaded as 4 weekly with A320.

Oh - c'mon .... now you are going to fly to every college town in Germany?!!! 

Just kidding ... bring it on, TK! Your european network will be unparalleled soon.
 
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RE: Turkish Aviation February 2013

Fri Feb 08, 2013 4:37 am

Quoting TK787 (Reply 51):
Winter storm expected in NYC and area tomorrow. More than 1000 flights cancelled.
TK cancelling tomorrows NYC flights or play the divert game to Boston, IAD and such????

BOS is in a worse shape, actually ... they are expected to get much more snow in New England.

My flights from DEN-BOS on friday has been cancelled twice already ... am hoping that I can get home late on Saturday atleast ...   
 
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RE: Turkish Aviation February 2013

Fri Feb 08, 2013 7:05 am

Quoting TK787 (Reply 51):
Winter storm expected in NYC and area tomorrow. More than 1000 flights cancelled.
TK cancelling tomorrows NYC flights or play the divert game to Boston, IAD and such????

TK3 is on the way, hope to see them landing safely to JFK
 
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RE: Turkish Aviation February 2013

Fri Feb 08, 2013 1:01 pm

Quoting emrecan (Reply 56):
TK3 is on the way,

TK3/4 should be OK. I hope TK1 cancels.
NY is expecting up to 50cm of snow, with 100km winds. 3000 flights already cancelled in the area.

[Edited 2013-02-08 05:04:51]
 
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RE: Turkish Aviation February 2013

Fri Feb 08, 2013 1:27 pm

Egypt Air Cargo are operating a weekly freighter service CAI-IST according to their winter schedule.
 
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RE: Turkish Aviation February 2013

Fri Feb 08, 2013 1:47 pm

Can someone help me with loads on a TK flight? Can you please PM me..
 
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RE: Turkish Aviation February 2013

Fri Feb 08, 2013 2:00 pm

Quoting TK787 (Reply 57):
I hope TK1 cancels.

Well, it is on its way. By the time it gets to NYC, more than likely it will be stuck at the airport. I am so glad that I'm not on JFK-IST flight tonight, it will be a mess.
 
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RE: Turkish Aviation February 2013

Fri Feb 08, 2013 10:30 pm

Another look back at the past.

This time THY schedules for 1963 - the 30 year anniversary of the airline.

Route / weekly frequency / equipment type;

Istanbul - Ankara - 42x - mix Fokker 27, Viscount
Istanbul - Izmir - 21x - F-27
Istanbul - Bursa - 21x - DC3
Istanbul - Bandirma - Balikesir - 7x - DC3
Istanbul - Yalova - 3x - DC3
Istanbul - Afyon - Antalya - 2x - F27
Istanbul - Athens - Rome - Frankfurt - 3x - Visount
Ankara - Samsun - Trabzon - 7x - F27
Ankara - Diyarbakir - Van - 2x - DC3
Ankara - Malatya - Diyarbakir - 2x - F27
Ankara - Kayseri - Elazig - 2x - DC3
Ankara - Adana - 7x - F27
Ankara - Adana - Lefkose - 5x - F27
Ankara - Adana - Beirut - 2x - Viscount
Ankara - Izmir - Athens - 3x - F27


The fleet in 1963 was composed of;

4 - Viscount Vickers
8 - Fokker F27
6 - DC-3
2 - C-47 Cargo

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RE: Turkish Aviation February 2013

Sat Feb 09, 2013 5:16 am

Quoting TK787 (Reply 60):
more than likely it will be stuck at the airport.

Wow, TK12 took off on time.
With all the snow around NYC, and all cancellations at JFK; kudos to the crews at JFK.
Maybe someone know the load on the flight?
http://flightaware.com/live/flight/THY12
By the way, 4800 flights have been cancelled so far around the region.

[Edited 2013-02-08 21:53:21]
 
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RE: Turkish Aviation February 2013

Sat Feb 09, 2013 5:39 am

I have a question related to Turkish Airlines' expansion in SAW. I suppose that for now they are targeting the O&D markets but what is the possibility of them expanding their operations to build a new hub that would initially offer connections between the wider Middle Eastern area to Europe? Is this their plan or are they going to develop their operations just for the needs of the O&D market?


On a side note, interesting times ahead for Turkish Airlines in the Balkans as Pegasus has directly attacked them on several key routes. When it comes to Zagreb, Turkish Airlines will finally have a free access to the market from this summer. They will no longer have to deal with Croatia Airlines and its protector, the Croatian government.
 
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RE: Turkish Aviation February 2013

Sat Feb 09, 2013 5:47 am

Quoting JU068 (Reply 63):
Is this their plan or are they going to develop their operations just for the needs of the O&D market?

TK to base 15 aircraft at SAW this summer. This is only temporary to take some load off of IST. The plan might be to have everythin under one umbrella when the new airport opens. But by then SAW might become a secondary hub just like airlines using JFK, LGA and EWR at the same time.

Quoting JU068 (Reply 63):
interesting times ahead for Turkish Airlines in the Balkans

Pegasus ordered almost 100 NEOs, I bet they will challenge TK on all its short haul routes in the future out of SAW and even the new airport.

So maybe these two questions above are related.
 
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RE: Turkish Aviation February 2013

Sat Feb 09, 2013 6:01 am

Quoting TK787 (Reply 64):

Thanks, well looking at the schedule of the new routes launched out of SAW it seems to me that they are building waves of arrivals and departures which would indicate they are interested in more than just the O&D. How crowded is SAW? Can it handle both Turkish Airlines and Pegasus expanding so fast? How is Pegasus doing financially?

By the way, looking at the new airport and its location, is seems to be a bit outside the city. Is there a large catchment area? I am asking because one day when IST is closed down, could SAW become the more convenient airport for people who travel into Istanbul?
 
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RE: Turkish Aviation February 2013

Sat Feb 09, 2013 2:00 pm

Quoting JU068 (Reply 65):

SAW is also expanding, with a new runway. I think both SAW and Pegasus doing fine. Pegasus should be fine finanacially if they could afford to order 100 or so NEOs.
New Istanbul airport will still be the more convenient even though farther, since TK will have its own terminal and most international flights both TK and others will be out of the new Istanbul. SAW also will keep serving people living on the Asian side for both domestic and int. destinations.
 
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RE: Turkish Aviation February 2013

Sat Feb 09, 2013 2:30 pm

Also, more new metal for TK;
-TC-JSF 321 made first flight Feb4
-TC-JHP 738 delivered Feb7
and MNG Cargo
-TC-MCC A300-600F Feb9

and possible delivery of the 332 Prestige for the Turkish government next month.

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RE: Turkish Aviation February 2013

Sat Feb 09, 2013 4:46 pm

Does anyone know what this Swiss lady has been doing in IST this past couple of days? Last time I saw a Swiss wide body in IST was lights years ago and those were the good old MD11s...

http://www.flightradar24.com/data/airplanes/hb-jme
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RE: Turkish Aviation February 2013

Sat Feb 09, 2013 4:50 pm

Quoting JU068 (Reply 63):
On a side note, interesting times ahead for Turkish Airlines in the Balkans as Pegasus has directly attacked them on several key routes. When it comes to Zagreb, Turkish Airlines will finally have a free access to the market from this summer. They will no longer have to deal with Croatia Airlines and its protector, the Croatian government.

On the other hand, Turks now need a visa to go to Croatia (as of April 2013) so I guess it's popularity will also decrease... Over the past few summers, we have seen many charter flights from IST to DBV... I guess we wont be seeing too many of them this summer...
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RE: Turkish Aviation February 2013

Sat Feb 09, 2013 6:02 pm

Quoting TK787 (Reply 66):
New Istanbul airport will still be the more convenient even though farther, since TK will have its own terminal and most international flights both TK and others will be out of the new Istanbul. SAW also will keep serving people living on the Asian side for both domestic and int. destinations.

That I understand but what I was referring to was getting to the airport from the city. The current airport is more than convenient because you are in the city. I was just wondering if moving the airport outside the city will make SAW more attractive.

Quoting TurkishWings (Reply 69):

Good point, but I was wondering if Turkish Airlines might actually add flights to Zagreb in order to feed its hub. According to some sources Croatia Airlines is bleeding money on its Istanbul service and it was advised to cancel it. This would be good news for TK and potentially Pegasus.
 
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RE: Turkish Aviation February 2013

Sun Feb 10, 2013 2:33 pm

Could someone tell me what is happening with Atlas Jet? Have they launched Istanbul-Ankara flights?
 
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RE: Turkish Aviation February 2013

Sun Feb 10, 2013 2:46 pm

Quoting JU068 (Reply 71):

Could someone tell me what is happening with Atlas Jet? Have they launched Istanbul-Ankara flights?

no, TK lobby was too heavy...
 
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RE: Turkish Aviation February 2013

Sun Feb 10, 2013 3:09 pm

Quoting stylo777 (Reply 72):

Thanks for that. But what do you mean that their lobby was too strong? What did they do? Isn't it between AtlasJet and Ankara airport to establish these links or do they need the government's approval?
 
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RE: Turkish Aviation February 2013

Sun Feb 10, 2013 6:30 pm

Simply put Atlasjet did not receive the permits to enable the service.
They later said they would explore running the service from Sabiha Gökçen instead. (and compete against Pegasus)

In the mean time Atlasjet has entered some other markets in January using the capacity - Adana, Gaziantep, Kayseri, Van and Kars.

Its interesting to note the new Atlasjet CEO came over from THY in October where he was incharge of AnadoluJet. (he also previously worked in the US for America West), so these route ideas are very much his.
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RE: Turkish Aviation February 2013

Sun Feb 10, 2013 7:45 pm

I flew back from London to Istanbul by 738-JHO , delivered just a few days ago . I have never been such a new plane before . It was even smelling like a new car and even the wings were shining differently . Interior was looking great in business class specialy when they turned on blue lights of sky interior. Even though it was 22.30 flight load factor was I guess over 70 percent. So ea least my return trip paid off  
 
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RE: Turkish Aviation February 2013

Sun Feb 10, 2013 8:29 pm

Quoting LAXintl (Reply 74):
Simply put Atlasjet did not receive the permits to enable the service.

exactly; and I heard also the airport slots weren't granted.
this protectionism particularly on this route is ridiculous in my eyes.
 
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RE: Turkish Aviation February 2013

Sun Feb 10, 2013 10:12 pm

Quoting JU068 (Reply 71):
Could someone tell me what is happening with Atlas Jet? Have they launched Istanbul-Ankara flights?

They are also operating Summer flights between Istanbul and Mykonos aswell as from some other Turkish cities.
 
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RE: Turkish Aviation February 2013

Mon Feb 11, 2013 12:27 am

 
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RE: Turkish Aviation February 2013

Mon Feb 11, 2013 1:59 am

Quoting radiopolitic (Reply 78):
New Turkish Airlines uniforms?

No, this is NOT the new uniform of TK. This is just a study leaked in to the social media and taken out of proportion. TK has NOT selected this uniform.

Cheers
 
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RE: Turkish Aviation February 2013

Mon Feb 11, 2013 4:34 am

Scratch one more off that list... Malta flights have been announced from 25MAY:

TK1369 IST MLA 1235 1420
TK1370 MLA IST 1515 1835

Thrice weekly with B73W and A319.
 
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RE: Turkish Aviation February 2013

Mon Feb 11, 2013 7:35 am

Quoting LAXintl (Reply 74):
In the mean time Atlasjet has entered some other markets in January using the capacity - Adana, Gaziantep, Kayseri, Van and Kars.

I hope they do well. Have switched to KK (Atlasjet) whenever possible. They are currently offering the best and most competitive J/C product in Turkey. They have even partnered with Securedrive for a complimentary airport transfer service. TK is usually charging double and triple on fares to BJV and have cut their offerings at their domestic IST CIP lounge due to a conflict with BTA (TAV's catering subsidiary). Anyway I hope KK will truly become a well established full service carrier in Turkey offering an alternative in this segment.
 
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RE: Turkish Aviation February 2013

Mon Feb 11, 2013 10:09 am

Quoting LAXintl (Reply 74):
Quoting OA260 (Reply 77):

Thank you. How are they doing financially though? Are they also expanding internationally and how serious of a competitor are they for Turkish Airlines?

I wonder what impact Turkish Airlines' launch of Malta will have on Emirates which have been operating this route via Larnaca for many years now. The route is currently operated by a B777-200.

[Edited 2013-02-11 02:11:44]
 
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RE: Turkish Aviation February 2013

Mon Feb 11, 2013 5:20 pm

Atlasjet is private so its hard to gauge their financial position.

However if I had to guess, I suspect they continue to lose money which is the catalyst for these 180-degree turns in their business strategy. We know from a US charter airline that Atlasjet owes them several million in aircraft leases.

For a little background on them -
o Formed in 2001 by German/Turkish holding group. Primarily a charter and ACMI airline with 757s
o In 2004 - Turkish travel company buys about half. Company business plan evolves into scheduled service on domestic and Europe routes with focus on becoming a quality competitor against TK. Corporate rebranding, frequent flyer program, joins IATA, e-tickets, fleet changes - A32x's, Bombardier RJs. Even negotiations on 2 A340 leases, and business venture with BA.
o 2006 shake up with German partner selling out.
o 2007 finances further deteriorate (its expensive to run a scheduled airline) and fleet and routes shrink mostly into domestic airline. Late 2007 a chartered MD-80 crashes due pilot error. Bad PR for Atlasjet.
o 2008 management shakeup. Back almost entirely to charter / ACMI model with small fleet.
o 2009 focus on charter/ACMI ops with contracts in Saudi Arabia especially. Become first A330 operator outside TK in Turkey.
o 2010 timid steps back into scheduled service - domestic/Cyprus. Investment from Russian partners, relaunch frequent flyer program. Says they turned a profit for the year.
o 2011 more schedule service - domestic, Iraq, Iran, Kosovo.
o 2012 growth in domestic flying, lots of it point to point markets. New senior management team brought in.


So it seems they want to get back to what they were doing back in 2004-2007. Time will tell if they will succeed this time.
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RE: Turkish Aviation February 2013

Mon Feb 11, 2013 7:21 pm

Quoting ASA (Reply 54):
Oh - c'mon .... now you are going to fly to every college town in Germany?!!!

Most Turks in the Vorarlberg (Austria) will be happy with this decision  
Quoting LAXintl (Reply 83):
fleet changes - A32x's, Bombardier RJs

Do they still have an order for the C-Series???
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RE: Turkish Aviation February 2013

Mon Feb 11, 2013 7:31 pm

Per Bombardier press release its was a LOI (letter of intent) at the time.

I have not seen anywhere this has been converted to a solid order.

Also according to wikepedia the order is listed as a "Commitment" but not converted to firm order as some other airline have.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Bombardier_CSeries_orders

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RE: Turkish Aviation February 2013

Mon Feb 11, 2013 7:34 pm

Quoting LAXintl (Reply 83):

Thanks. So is the extra capital coming in from Russia? (who is covering their losses?)

By the way, what happened to Borajet? I remember someone writing on here that they were working with Turkish Airlines... Wikipedia says they have 5 Atr 72-500 and that they fly to eight destinations.
 
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RE: Turkish Aviation February 2013

Mon Feb 11, 2013 8:22 pm

Quoting LAXintl (Reply 85):

I have not seen anywhere this has been converted to a solid order.

Sad to hear, hope that they convert it to an order

Quoting ju068 (Reply 86):

By the way, what happened to Borajet? I remember someone writing on here that they were working with Turkish Airlines...

IIRC, TC-YAB and -YAC are still being operated on behalf of Anadolujet
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RE: Turkish Aviation February 2013

Tue Feb 12, 2013 9:34 am

Quoting tcm (Reply 81):
I hope they do well. Have switched to KK (Atlasjet) whenever possible. They are currently offering the best and most competitive J/C product in Turkey.

True, also Economy class is by far one of the best I have seen (worldwide!). In one league with the old Lauda Air! AMAZING!
Unfortunately KK is suffering from very bad publicity in the last couple of weeks:
1. RYAN INTERNATIONAL is accusing KK of non-payment for leasing their A330 N772RD
2. the route ESB-IST was dropped after sale started without any information and passengers left stranded...

Quoting TK787 (Thread starter):
Please continue with your news, photos, rumors, and good old sense of humor.

   my Turkish is not the best- but as I understand THY is dropping the booze on domestic flights for cost cutting reasons: http://hurarsiv.hurriyet.com.tr/goster/ShowNew.aspx?id=22571705
 
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RE: Turkish Aviation February 2013

Tue Feb 12, 2013 1:13 pm

Quoting debonair (Reply 88):
THY is dropping the booze on domestic flights for cost cutting

It says cost cutting and lack of demand.
I for one never traveled J domestic TK, so to me I never had a drink on my domestic flights with TK since TK doesn' serve alcohol in Y. I can do without a drink for an hour, I hope so.
But when traveling with PG on domestic, I always buy a drink. So much cheaper than the airport lounges.
Domestic flights are so short, a full single aisle with a meal service, coupled with a drink service can get crazy. I've seen it.
Same with TK discontinuing duty free carts on long haul.
But if you ask me, J pax should be treated like J pax and given that extra bit of touch. Why wouldn't a "4-star, globally yours, most countries flown,....." airline shouldn't carry 20 little bottles of booze on board for J pax beats me?
 
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RE: Turkish Aviation February 2013

Tue Feb 12, 2013 2:53 pm

Will be interesting to see if Atlasjet can develop into something this time around.

Over the years we have seen a string of scheduled domestic airlines that come and go in Turkey.

Outside of Pegasus none have been able to hang on and grown into something sizable in the long run. And even Pegasus was touch and go in the beginning, but smartly opted to go to SAW and for a long time grew while avoiding direct competition with TK. Atlasjet on the otherhand chose to go head to head against TK at IST. This time it seems they are doing more point-to-point flying, while splitting their Istanbul ops both at IST and SAW.

Speaking of Pegasus, I read they signed a deal with KLM UK Engineering for 737 C checks.
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RE: Turkish Aviation February 2013

Tue Feb 12, 2013 3:07 pm

Is there a possibility to see Pegasus join an alliance?
 
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RE: Turkish Aviation February 2013

Tue Feb 12, 2013 3:26 pm

Quoting ju068 (Reply 91):

A LCC in an alliance is not too common... Not sure but who knows?
 
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RE: Turkish Aviation February 2013

Tue Feb 12, 2013 4:05 pm

Guys... relax!
What is this race to the moon here?

More destinations by the hour, new aircraft, new uniforms, new what I don't know.
Slow down a bit...

There are limits. There is a more sensible approach to just blind growth.. IST airport is a limit for the next 4 years. Safety is a limit, other..? And I don't think it is sustainable to fly IST-LAS or what else new crazy destination..
I only hear more and more and more...

TK is a good carrier and I can see some of their current growth potential, but.. it has limits.
Please don't try to blindly compete with Emirates on the terms of "mine is bigger".
Stay humble, find smart ways to become sustainable as a business.

I don't want to see the gods punish such insanity.
 
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RE: Turkish Aviation February 2013

Tue Feb 12, 2013 6:09 pm

Quoting leftyboarder (Reply 92):

Well Air Berlin is a member of oneworld, so I am sure Pegasus could be interesting for the other alliances, especially now that the Turkish economy is booming. Then again, it would mean that some airline would have to shift some of their operations from IST to SAW.
 
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RE: Turkish Aviation February 2013

Wed Feb 13, 2013 12:42 am

Ali Sabanci (owner/chairman of Pegasus) gave an interview last month.

He specifically said he was very open to codesharing/feeding airlines serving Turkey, particularly longhaul ones, but did not see an alliances in the future. It would simply complicate the LCC operation, and require it to adopt host of new complex policies to match others and requiring added financial investment.

Anyhow - you cant compare Air Berlin (which Pegasus parent has a 15% investment in ironically)
AB has been becoming more and more a regular airline including its longhaul ops, and product offering like premium business cabin, more complex FF program, hubs network, etc.
Pegasus is still very much a keep it basic LCC.
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RE: Turkish Aviation February 2013

Wed Feb 13, 2013 7:05 am

TK will launch CND flights as of June'13.. The tickets are on sale @thy.com.

Let's see how they will perform on this destination..
 
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RE: Turkish Aviation February 2013

Wed Feb 13, 2013 5:10 pm

To celebrate Valentine's Day, Turkish Airlines is offering all passengers that originate from its US markets specialty decorated gift box of sweets such as heart shaped brownies, cupcakes, and flan between February 12 - 14.
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RE: Turkish Aviation February 2013

Wed Feb 13, 2013 5:21 pm

Quoting LAXintl (Reply 97):
To celebrate Valentine's Day, Turkish Airlines is offering all passengers that originate from its US markets specialty decorated gift box of sweets such as heart shaped brownies, cupcakes, and flan between February 12 - 14.

I would prefer being served beer or wine.
 
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RE: Turkish Aviation February 2013

Wed Feb 13, 2013 7:44 pm

Quoting LAXintl (Reply 97):
To celebrate Valentine's Day,

6-7 years ago, on a New Year's Eve flight; JFK-IST, ( a light load, 50% LF or so), everyone was given a 375ml. French Champagne with a big slice of chocolate cake. Yummmm!

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