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RE: Turkish Aviation March 2013

Sun Mar 17, 2013 9:29 am

Quoting LAXintl (Reply 98):
We have some frequent flyers posting here. See comments of TK787 in reply 63. Full J class cabin again on his flights this week.

J fare in the upper $3000s JFK-IST if I remember correctly but Comfort class was around $1000, still half full. J is so booked that this is the second flight I have seen Turkish celebrities flying Comfort since the J is full. (The ones that can easily afford to fly up front, like Acun Ilicali)
 
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RE: Turkish Aviation March 2013

Sun Mar 17, 2013 2:07 pm

Quoting HB-IWC (Reply 99):




I will go like this; cut out half of comfort to install business cabin than go 10 abreast economy for more profit and more push comfort class. But I hope no one read this from management 
 
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RE: Turkish Aviation March 2013

Sun Mar 17, 2013 8:05 pm

Any particular reason why TK is sending its A333 to Dushanbe tonight?
 
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RE: Turkish Aviation March 2013

Sun Mar 17, 2013 10:02 pm

The new wide body order which was given last year including 2 class configuration  
 
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RE: Turkish Aviation March 2013

Mon Mar 18, 2013 3:25 am

Quoting HB-IWC (Reply 80):
In a first sign that additional B77W capacity is about to come online, TK has loaded the following extra and upgauged flights from 01JUL:


IST-ICN showing 777 without Comfort Class, any other routes with those newly leased 777s?

[Edited 2013-03-17 20:34:58]
 
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RE: Turkish Aviation March 2013

Mon Mar 18, 2013 4:49 am

Quoting vincewy (Reply 104):
IST-ICN showing 777 without Comfort Class, any other routes with those newly leased 777s?

TK090/091 IST ICN IST and TK015/016 IST GRU EZE GRU IST are the routes that will operate withtout comfort class. They also take exactly 3 frames to operate, with a 7-hour ground time in ICN and 3 h 45 in IST in between flights. Pretty tight scheduling, so expect the occasional sub with comfort class on these routes.

TK is also not offering any First Class service on these flights, so I would expect these routes to operate with a 38-seat J cabin, including the 30 regular Jet Airways J-seat and the 8 First Suites.
 
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RE: Turkish Aviation March 2013

Mon Mar 18, 2013 7:55 am

Quoting HB-IWC (Reply 105):

I guess just you guys suggested. I am happy Comfort stays on the JFK route.

Quoting tozbek (Reply 103):
The new wide body order which was given last year including 2 class configuration

You might have the inside info on this, any idea on how many seats on each class? Thanks.
 
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RE: Turkish Aviation March 2013

Mon Mar 18, 2013 12:56 pm

Mahan air listing Isparta in ir destinations menu, nothing in schedule.
 
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RE: Turkish Aviation March 2013

Tue Mar 19, 2013 12:49 pm

According to the latest Presentation of TK, the 737-400 will leave this year, the 737-700 in 2015 and by 2017 they will have only 8 A319, 17 A320.

All leaving smaller A/C will be replaced by only 4 320NEO and ! 113 A321 CEO/NEO.

Is this a sign, TK is aware that there will be huge delays with the Third Airport? The only way they can boost capacity at Atatürk Airport is by using larger A/C.
Assumed, there will be no delay with the third Airport. Are 8 A319 enough to introduce new secondary destinations in Europe and Middle East?

Does anybody has operating cost numbers for A319/A320/A321 on a specific route?
 
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RE: Turkish Aviation March 2013

Tue Mar 19, 2013 12:58 pm

Quoting tkfan (Reply 108):
All leaving smaller A/C will be replaced by only 4 320NEO and ! 113 A321 CEO/NEO.

Personally I expect an order for the B737MAX-8 to replace all the B737-800NG. And for the B737-700/A319 segment the CS300 could maybe have a chance...
 
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RE: Turkish Aviation March 2013

Tue Mar 19, 2013 1:01 pm

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RE: Turkish Aviation March 2013

Tue Mar 19, 2013 1:12 pm

This is the delivery schedule I made using their presentation and the info on latest order. Don't know how deliveries of A320/320NEO/321NEO is split so put those together.

TYP 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 TOT
333 4 3 3 2 5 8 5 0 0 0 0 30
77W 5 7 0 0 3 7 5 5 0 0 0 32
739 0 2 7 1 0 5 0 0 0 0 0 15
738 0 2 2 6 10 0 0 0 0 0 0 20
321 0 8 7 9 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 24
NEO 0 0 0 0 0 13 14 6 27 25 32 117
319 0 6 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 6
33F 1 1 1 1 1 0 0 0 0 0 0 5
TOT 10 29 20 19 19 33 24 11 27 25 32 249

Sorry that the table looks screwed up when copied.
 
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RE: Turkish Aviation March 2013

Tue Mar 19, 2013 1:13 pm

According to Boeing's website there are 14 -800's and 6 -900ER's unfilled deliveries from that order at the end of February. One -900ER was already delivered this month, so now there are 14 -800's and 5 -900ER's unfilled.
 
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RE: Turkish Aviation March 2013

Tue Mar 19, 2013 1:30 pm

Quoting sirtoby (Reply 109):
Quoting LAXintl (Reply 110):

I expect also a follow on order with Boeing. Seeing how popular the -700MAX is, I dont think TK wants to order them.

on another not, the first delivered 737NG are almost 15 years old. time to replace at least half of its 738 fleet in the coming years.

Quoting sirtoby (Reply 109):
And for the B737-700/A319 segment the CS300 could maybe have a chance...

This might be a solution for new destinations and thinner routes, but only with the new Airport.
Otherwise it would be a waste of slots at Atatürk Airport.
 
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RE: Turkish Aviation March 2013

Tue Mar 19, 2013 1:46 pm

Quoting leftyboarder (Reply 111):

Your table implies about >180 Aircraft yet to be delivered??
Taking into account they have nearly 210 A/C today.... sums up to Kotil's forecast.

In an previous interview, Temel Kotil said, their fleet will have 375 A/C by 2020

I wonder how long they will keep the A340-300  
 
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RE: Turkish Aviation March 2013

Tue Mar 19, 2013 1:47 pm

Yes the first batch of 738s are 15 years old this year. In total there is 18 that were delivered between 1998-2000 that will need to be considered pretty soon.
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RE: Turkish Aviation March 2013

Tue Mar 19, 2013 2:33 pm

Quoting tkfan (Reply 114):
Your table implies about >180 Aircraft yet to be delivered??
Taking into account they have nearly 210 A/C today.... sums up to Kotil's forecast.

In an previous interview, Temel Kotil said, their fleet will have 375 A/C by 2020

 

Yep, 190 to be exact   Taking retirements into consideration, we might see 300 or so frames by 2020. Of course we will see more orders by then.

About the 343s, does anyone even have an idea? Even the 734s are still here at the ripe age of 21  

[Edited 2013-03-19 07:34:01]
 
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RE: Turkish Aviation March 2013

Tue Mar 19, 2013 2:36 pm

Are ACT rebranding to MyCargo or will they continue as they are?
 
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RE: Turkish Aviation March 2013

Tue Mar 19, 2013 2:50 pm

In commercial marketing sense they use MyCargo to play on their other MyTechnic MRO business name.

Airlines name however remains ACT, but some things like business cards, letter also show MyCargo branding.

btw - they lost their managing director last week when he resigned.
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RE: Turkish Aviation March 2013

Wed Mar 20, 2013 1:14 am

TK is back to GE engines on latest A330-300 order. They had gone with Rolls Royce on the -300 previously.

Turkish Airlines orders more GE CF6 engines for Airbus A330 fleet
http://atwonline.com/engines/turkish...gines-airbus-a330-fleet#node-77261

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RE: Turkish Aviation March 2013

Thu Mar 21, 2013 6:15 am

Looks like TK has wet leased three 77W from Jet Airways according to this http://www.ch-aviation.ch/portal/new...ease-more-b737-800s-to-sun-express Where will the other 4 come from ?
 
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RE: Turkish Aviation March 2013

Thu Mar 21, 2013 6:53 am

Quoting TK773ER (Reply 120):
Where will the other 4 come from ?

As far as I know, there was talk about 7 additional wide bodies, but so far only these 3 have been confirmed. Did the original plan call for 7 aircraft to come from 9W but did the deal for the last 4 aircraft fall through? 9W's new relationship with EY seems to have come between this deal. I wonder whether there will indeed be 4 additional widebody frames or whether fleet reinforcements will be limited to just 3.

While the 3 B77Ws will be deployed on the GRU EZE and ICN routes, nett increase in flying so far has only been the addition of 3 weekly IST GRU EZE and 2 weekly IST IAH services, so TK should still have some room for further expansion, maybe to lauch Boston or Manila or make Kuala Lumpur daily.
 
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RE: Turkish Aviation March 2013

Thu Mar 21, 2013 7:10 am

Well, it seems MLE-CMB, KIX, and CAN will be daily (in addition to boosts for IAH, GRU-EZE, ICN) in W13, but that is still far away... Also, LOS becomes daily 332. All from airlineroute.net.
 
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RE: Turkish Aviation March 2013

Thu Mar 21, 2013 11:33 am

Quoting leftyboarder (Reply 122):
Well, it seems MLE-CMB, KIX, and CAN will be daily (in addition to boosts for IAH, GRU-EZE, ICN) in W13

Let's not forget that in the second half of 2013 the first 2 A333s from the new order of 20 frames will join the fleet. That will easily cover the additional frequencies to make those routes daily.
 
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RE: Turkish Aviation March 2013

Fri Mar 22, 2013 4:38 pm

not only passenger side is grow like crazy, but also cargo! lattest addition to TK Cargo fleet is a leased MNG 332freighter. as far as I know the MAS Cargo 33F is also still under contract. picture can be seen on skyliner (horrible livery...)
 
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RE: Turkish Aviation March 2013

Fri Mar 22, 2013 11:57 pm

TC-MNE and TC-MNY, the two MNG A300s leased by TK for its Hajj flights in 2006, wore a similar hybrid as TC-MCZ

Skyliner does also show the first 737 for Pegasus Asia, the Kyrgyz subsidiary
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RE: Turkish Aviation March 2013

Mon Mar 25, 2013 8:26 am

http://kokpit.aero/ugur-cebeci-bir-kasik-suda-bogulmak
According to this article, TK couldn't decide on the new uniform and decide to stay with the current ones.
The writer explains it nicely, why TK makes such small PR mistakes with controversial uniform decisions or cutting back alcohol service on most domestic F pax, while trying to become a global carrier.
 
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RE: Turkish Aviation March 2013

Mon Mar 25, 2013 10:32 am

Quoting TK787 (Reply 126):
TK couldn't decide on the new uniform and decide to stay with the current ones.

Good choice if its not broke dont fix it  
 
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RE: Turkish Aviation March 2013

Tue Mar 26, 2013 1:10 am

Quoting HB-IWC (Reply 121):
While the 3 B77Ws will be deployed on the GRU EZE and ICN routes, nett increase in flying so far has only been the addition of 3 weekly IST GRU EZE and 2 weekly IST IAH services

I wonder if TK intends to launch new South American destinations from next year. Santiago can be easily operated by a 332 if the route has stops in Brasilia, which is Brazil's main domestic hub.
 
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RE: Turkish Aviation March 2013

Tue Mar 26, 2013 11:50 am

Istanbul Ataturk is losing a customer. airBaltic will shift all of its operations to SAW; the airline stated that they are doing this so that their customers can arrive faster to the city centre but also so that the airline can improve its schedule so as to offer better connections in Riga.

The airline will move on March 31, it currently operates daily B737-300 flights.
 
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RE: Turkish Aviation March 2013

Tue Mar 26, 2013 12:46 pm

Apparently the last remaining 734s at TK have been given US registrations and are leaving very soon. The end of an era and one less subtype to manage. Now the 343s are the oldest subfleet.
 
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RE: Turkish Aviation March 2013

Tue Mar 26, 2013 2:48 pm

Quoting JU068 (Reply 129):
he airline stated that they are doing this so that their customers can arrive faster to the city centre

 

What city center are they talking about? If its Istanbul and all the tourism areas, they went the wrong direction.

IST is mere kilometers away, while SAW is on another continent !


Anyhow - no loss. Frankly more and more carriers should look to SAW, however they need to be mindful it is away from the business and tourist heart of the city still. SAW side is primary residential suburbs.
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RE: Turkish Aviation March 2013

Tue Mar 26, 2013 6:21 pm

Sounds like the LH-TK venture idea is still strong.

Lufthansa will keep as consultant a retiring LH board member to help "deepen cooperation with Turkish Airline".

Story:
http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/...thansa-board-idUSBRE92J12K20130320

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RE: Turkish Aviation March 2013

Tue Mar 26, 2013 6:38 pm

Quoting LAXintl (Reply 131):

Haha I found it strange too. Ataturk is very close to the city while SAW is, like you said it, on another continent. I guess airBaltic is after the lower yielding passengers which are very price sensitive so they had to recalculate their costs. Also, I guess that the fact that they couldn't change their flight times could be another important factor.
Then again, with Turkish Airlines increasing its presence in Riga it doesn't really matter.
 
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RE: Turkish Aviation March 2013

Tue Mar 26, 2013 7:43 pm

Lufthansa Cargo link FRA-TLV to IST in summer, thrice weekly MD11F.
 
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RE: Turkish Aviation March 2013

Tue Mar 26, 2013 10:15 pm

Quoting JU068 (Reply 133):

Actually considering the traffic on the European side of the city specially during the rush hours makes SAW is very attractive. I live in the Anatolian side (Beykoz) and both airport is almost the same distance and if i have the opportunity I always prefer to use SAW for domestic flights . I would say if you are not arriving up to 9 or 10 am to SAW , weekdays it is not so bad to cross the bridges to the other side .
 
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RE: Turkish Aviation March 2013

Tue Mar 26, 2013 10:36 pm

Quoting umit (Reply 135):
Actually considering the traffic on the European side of the city specially during the rush hours makes SAW is very attractive. I live in the Anatolian side (Beykoz) and both airport is almost the same distance and if i have the opportunity I always prefer to use SAW for domestic flights . I would say if you are not arriving up to 9 or 10 am to SAW , weekdays it is not so bad to cross the bridges to the other side .

Yes but what about tourist ? Area like Topkapi or Aga Sophia are far closer to IST.

For example the Havas bus from IST to Taksim says 40min per their website, but from SAW its 1.5hr.

SAW might be good for local market, but I think for tourist its out of the way, unless the fare savings are so significant to put up with the added time and inconvenience.
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RE: Turkish Aviation March 2013

Wed Mar 27, 2013 11:47 am

From Turkish Airlines' Facebook page:

'Time for a new guess for our new destination! One new hint for every 1000 Likes!'

Does anyone know which destination they might be referring to?

Quoting umit (Reply 135):

Could be. They are also referring to a free bus ride to the city centre, so that might seem attractive enough to those travelling on a tight budget.
Then again, I think it has more to do with the slots and charges than with the distance from the city centre.
 
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RE: Turkish Aviation March 2013

Wed Mar 27, 2013 2:24 pm

Quoting JU068 (Reply 137):

Most probably IAH. From 1st of April TK launches IAH flights.
 
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RE: Turkish Aviation March 2013

Wed Mar 27, 2013 5:16 pm

Hi,

This is my first post here in this forum.

I'm living in Ankara. TK105 was my first flight and used to be main flight for Ankara passengers connecting to the world back in 90s (now it is TK2105 I believe). I travel frequently mostly with TK, but also with EK, LH, KL, OA, A3, 9W, IT. I also provide data to FR24 as LTAC.

Next week I'll be on TK33, the first flight to IAH on 1st of Apr and be back on 5th. The flight is completely sold out and I'll provide you a short TR.

Now I'm on my way to DXB and just landed at IST. I saw below plane which I suppose is the first leased 777W with a registration VP-xxx. Can any one confirm it?

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RE: Turkish Aviation March 2013

Wed Mar 27, 2013 6:40 pm

Quoting TK105 (Reply 139):

Welcome to a.net , very nice introduction by the way. Nice picture , I did not know TK uses planes without painting them .
 
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RE: Turkish Aviation March 2013

Wed Mar 27, 2013 6:55 pm

Quoting emrecan (Reply 138):

They just announced it, it was Aqaba 
 
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RE: Turkish Aviation March 2013

Wed Mar 27, 2013 7:22 pm

@TK105

That's VP-CAL, a VIP B777-200LR

I saw it on FR24 this morning..
 
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RE: Turkish Aviation March 2013

Wed Mar 27, 2013 8:42 pm

While we are at it, any real prospects that sometime in this decade, TK create a European base in ADB, with direct flights to major European Airports (CDG, LHR, DME/VNO, AMS, FCO, MXP/LIN, BCN, MAD), major Star Alliance hubs (BRU, ZRH, DUS, VIE) and both (FRA) ? That would somehow relieve IST, follow-up with the growth of the Izmir area, prevent competitors from gaining too much footage there, and ensure further utilisation of some newly-ordered NB frames...
 
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RE: Turkish Aviation March 2013

Wed Mar 27, 2013 10:37 pm

AMS, DUS, FRA, ZRH, VIE are already flown by SunExpress from ADB, and I think that we will see XQ flying the other destinations instead of TK. However, I wish to fly AMS-ADB directly (or RTM-IST-ADB) with TK in the summers.
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RE: Turkish Aviation March 2013

Wed Mar 27, 2013 11:49 pm

TK cant even maintain its 2-class product to Ankara due lack of premium demand let alone services to Europe from Izmir.

Sun Express, or competing LCC like Pegasus is the better model to serve Izmir, which by its location is more leisure heavy anyhow.

For now TKs focus is building a secondary base at SAW, while AnadoluJet focuses on Ankara.
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RE: Turkish Aviation March 2013

Thu Mar 28, 2013 5:30 am

Wouldn't seasonality also prove to be a problem for Turkish Airlines in Izmir?
 
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RE: Turkish Aviation March 2013

Thu Mar 28, 2013 8:38 am

Quoting LAXintl (Reply 145):
TK cant even maintain its 2-class product to Ankara due lack of premium demand

This is primarily being that the business class is actually not a real business class. The seats are the same seats as economy seats (the middle seat empty) and 34 inch legroom. This is not a business class, at best a premium economy class.

The lounge access is not a big deal - you can get it free with credit card clubs and also Miles and Smiles levels.

Usually the ticket prices being at least 2 or 3 times higher than economy, with no difference in comfort, people rather buy economy class. Proper business class seats would make a huge difference.
 
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RE: Turkish Aviation March 2013

Thu Mar 28, 2013 4:49 pm

In this thread it says Air France is adding Istanbul service from Paris Orly. Sounds like a existing flight is being shifted away from CDG.
Air France Reform And Strengthen Orly Network (by mercure1 Mar 28 2013 in Civil Aviation)

Funny, how TK after many decades moved from ORY to CDG, and now AF look to try ORY-IST.

Edit - found it in GDS

AF1856 ORY-IST 1025-1440 A321
AF1857 IST-ORY 1535-1810 A321

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[Edited 2013-03-28 10:11:29]
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RE: Turkish Aviation March 2013

Fri Mar 29, 2013 6:36 am

Quoting TK105 (Reply 139):

According to http://kokpit.aero/vip-777-kimi-tasiyor , this T7 brought the president of Cameroon to Istanbul

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