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Titan Airways 767, Now BA175 Into JFK

Mon Mar 18, 2013 6:00 pm

I see that BA is using a Titan Airways craft G-POWD as BA 175 LHR-JFK today.
Question, does the cabin match the BA level, would a Club World passenger get a flat bed,could not find a picture.
If not I guess compensation is due. Does this happen often long haul?

[Edited 2013-03-18 11:01:50]
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RE: Titan Airways 767, Now BA175 Into JFK

Mon Mar 18, 2013 6:06 pm

It's an all-economy configuration, already announced on ba.com, which covers flights from March 16th - 20th.

http://www.britishairways.com/travel...lightops/public/en_gb?p_faqid=4648

Those traveling in higher classes have been offered another flight or a full refund. The substitution is due to a few planes being out of service unexpectedly, without enough slack in the fleet to cover.
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RE: Titan Airways 767, Now BA175 Into JFK

Mon Mar 18, 2013 6:17 pm

Quoting AeroWesty (Reply 1):

Wow, great reply thanks.  
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RE: Titan Airways 767, Now BA175 Into JFK

Mon Mar 18, 2013 6:20 pm

Quoting AeroWesty (Reply 1):
Those traveling in higher classes have been offered another flight or a full refund. The substitution is due to a few planes being out of service unexpectedly, without enough slack in the fleet to cover.

The straw that broke the camel's back in this case was an engine failure on a B744 at DFW.
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RE: Titan Airways 767, Now BA175 Into JFK

Mon Mar 18, 2013 7:10 pm

Quoting AeroWesty (Reply 1):
Those traveling in higher classes have been offered another flight or a full refund.

Seems like everyone can get a refund, not only Business travellers.

If I booked a BA Economy ticket I would want to avoid this inferior service...
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RE: Titan Airways 767, Now BA175 Into JFK

Mon Mar 18, 2013 7:14 pm

Flew on POWD the other day up to EDI, immaculate cabin, IFE was switched off, and 777 interior, very clean and professional crew, no complaints..
 
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RE: Titan Airways 767, Now BA175 Into JFK

Mon Mar 18, 2013 7:14 pm

Quoting a3xx900 (Reply 4):
Seems like everyone can get a refund, not only Business travellers.

Of course. But only those in the higher classes were proactively offered a switch or refund, as their ticketed cabin of service no longer existed. Those in Economy have to request a change or refund themselves if they prefer not to travel on Titan.
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RE: Titan Airways 767, Now BA175 Into JFK

Mon Mar 18, 2013 7:42 pm

You know, it's funny, I had to wait for her to get towed into the gate at T7 and was thinking how interesting it was to see her there. This explains why she's here! Caught a pic for y'all, sorry it's not a.net quality, but still got a pic:

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RE: Titan Airways 767, Now BA175 Into JFK

Mon Mar 18, 2013 8:28 pm

Since we're discussing BA at JFK

Any idea why a BA 777 was at T8 the other day?

Last gate on the end of midfield concourse.

I found that odd.

I would say this was Thursday night
 
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RE: Titan Airways 767, Now BA175 Into JFK

Mon Mar 18, 2013 8:32 pm

I'm surprised BA just didn't cancel the flight and re-book pax to one of the number of frequent BA and AA services to JFK.
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RE: Titan Airways 767, Now BA175 Into JFK

Mon Mar 18, 2013 8:40 pm

Quoting a3xx900 (Reply 4):
Seems like everyone can get a refund, not only Business travellers.

If I booked a BA Economy ticket I would want to avoid this inferior service...

What makes you think it would be inferior to the usual BA economy ?
 
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RE: Titan Airways 767, Now BA175 Into JFK

Mon Mar 18, 2013 8:45 pm

Quoting jfklganyc (Reply 8):
Since we're discussing BA at JFK

Any idea why a BA 777 was at T8 the other day?
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RE: Titan Airways 767, Now BA175 Into JFK

Mon Mar 18, 2013 8:48 pm

Quoting Bongodog1964 (Reply 10):
What makes you think it would be inferior to the usual BA economy ?

I'd argue it would actually be better for Economy passengers. BA's JFK services are either 747s (with a 3-4-3 layout in Economy) or 777s (with a 3-3-3 layout). The Titan 767 has a 2-3-2 layout. I know which of those configurations I would prefer!
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RE: Titan Airways 767, Now BA175 Into JFK

Mon Mar 18, 2013 8:51 pm

Quoting a3xx900 (Reply 4):
If I booked a BA Economy ticket I would want to avoid this inferior service...

I would much prefer a 7-abreast (2-3-2) 767 to even a 9-abreast (3-3-3) 772. Only a 1 in 7 chance of a middle seat, compared to 1 in 3. And Titan's seat map shows 265 seats while Boeing shows 290 seats at 31-32 inch pitch possible in an all-Y configuration on a 763, so the seat pitch doesn't appear to be too cramped.
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RE: Titan Airways 767, Now BA175 Into JFK

Mon Mar 18, 2013 9:34 pm

Quoting AeroWesty (Reply 1):
It's an all-economy configuration, already announced on ba.com, which covers flights from March 16th - 20th.

http://www.britishairways.com/travel...lightops/public/en_gb?p_faqid=4648

The BA website states "Unfortunately on these flights we can only offer you an Economy meal, reduced inflight entertainment system using drop down screens and there will be no inflight shopping available."

But the ZT website images shows seatback IFE in all seats !? This seems like a much better than usual service for BA Y class customers on the route.

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RE: Titan Airways 767, Now BA175 Into JFK

Mon Mar 18, 2013 9:40 pm

Quoting flyingalex (Reply 11):
Quoting jfklganyc (Reply 8):
Since we're discussing BA at JFK

Any idea why a BA 777 was at T8 the other day?
http://www.britishairways.com/travel...lightops/public/en_gb?p_faqid=4619

Yep, some terminal issues. Been screwing up a few flights, not just BA.
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RE: Titan Airways 767, Now BA175 Into JFK

Mon Mar 18, 2013 9:48 pm

J and F (and possibly Y+) pax get rebooked onto a different service. Personally would love to fly Titan to NY, very unusual and make some pocket money selling safety cards on eBay.

Reminds me of when AA had one of their long haul 757s go tech at Boston one evening before a transatlantic flight, so they sent a domestic machine to London (all AA 757s are ETOPS mx'd -ERs so no problem with legality or range) with the domestic F class in the front; those booked in J were put on the BA 747 (or 747s - is it two a night?) (and maybe a few on VS) and the "F" (I use the term loosely) cabin was used for gold card holding Y pax.
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RE: Titan Airways 767, Now BA175 Into JFK

Mon Mar 18, 2013 9:53 pm

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RE: Titan Airways 767, Now BA175 Into JFK

Mon Mar 18, 2013 9:58 pm

Quoting sandyb123 (Reply 14):
But the ZT website images shows seatback IFE in all seats !? This seems like a much better than usual service for BA Y class customers on the route.

No difference really as all BA long haul Y seats have IFE screens
 
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RE: Titan Airways 767, Now BA175 Into JFK

Mon Mar 18, 2013 11:57 pm

Quoting a3xx900 (Reply 4):
If I booked a BA Economy ticket I would want to avoid this inferior service...

I flew on a short European service on this aircraft a while back and I remember thinking at the time how I wouldn't mind doing a longer flight on it. It's a beautiful aircraft inside. Comfortable soft light grey leather seats, all with PTV and ample legroom. The service was also very good, offered with plenty of warm smiles by a very professional cabin crew. I was extra impressed, given that they were providing another airline's service at the time, which would have been unfamiliar to them, but as a passenger off the street, with no particular knowledge or expectation of the product, you would never know.

If I knew this aircraft was operating a flight I could easily switch to from one I was booked on, I would volunteer myself for the switch.
 
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RE: Titan Airways 767, Now BA175 Into JFK

Tue Mar 19, 2013 12:40 am

With the J.V., AA gets snarled up with this too. AA has internal instructions for folks booked on these flights as AA* codeshare bookings (flights AA*6140/6133), 16-20MAR. As AA doesn't have regulatory authority to codeshare on Titan, they have to cancel the AA* segments and rebook and reticket people still wanting those flights on the prime BA flight numbers. Since they are only Y aircraft, they are contacting the folks in the premium cabins to offer reaccomodation on other AA*/BA flights within 5 days, offer voluntary downgrades on the Titan flights with differences refunded, or cancel and full refund. Coach passengers are offered alternate flights or refunds if they don't want to fly Titan.
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RE: Titan Airways 767, Now BA175 Into JFK

Tue Mar 19, 2013 5:22 am

Titan has a reputation for excellent cabin service and high standards. It's used by some of the most exclusive travel agencies for their services, worldwide, and I would be delighted to find they were operating my flight and replacing the usual mediocre BA product.   
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RE: Titan Airways 767, Now BA175 Into JFK

Tue Mar 19, 2013 5:53 am

Quoting jfklganyc (Reply 8):

Work on jetties in terminal 7 has meant that there is not enough room for all the BA departures so the BA177 is leaving from terminal 8 for the most of March.

[Edited 2013-03-18 22:54:42]
 
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RE: Titan Airways 767, Now BA175 Into JFK

Tue Mar 19, 2013 8:46 am

Quoting ajs123uk (Reply 22):
Work on jetties in terminal 7 has meant that there is not enough room for all the BA departures so the BA177 is leaving from terminal 8 for the most of March.

BA116 is the affected service.
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RE: Titan Airways 767, Now BA175 Into JFK

Tue Mar 19, 2013 9:20 am

Quoting Wingtips56 (Reply 20):
As AA doesn't have regulatory authority to codeshare on Titan, they have to cancel the AA* segments and rebook and reticket people still wanting those flights on the prime BA flight numbers.

Surely this is completely incorrect. Titan aren't operating the flights, they have been wet leased by BA to opearet a BA coded flight.
 
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RE: Titan Airways 767, Now BA175 Into JFK

Tue Mar 19, 2013 9:36 am

Quoting AeroWesty (Reply 1):
Those traveling in higher classes have been offered another flight or a full refund.

Does that man if I was due to be flying Business or First Class and opted to take this flight and fly in Economy, they will give you a full refund and can basically fly across the pond for free?

If so, I would slum it and bite their hand off for the refund!

I thought the aircraft had PTVs for IFE, so surprised it mentions drop down screens. Unless they haven't got the IFE loaded on the PTVs at short notice.
 
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RE: Titan Airways 767, Now BA175 Into JFK

Tue Mar 19, 2013 9:49 am

Quoting gilesdavies (Reply 25):
Does that man if I was due to be flying Business or First Class and opted to take this flight and fly in Economy, they will give you a full refund and can basically fly across the pond for free?

No, it means you can either be moved to a different flight in the same class of travel (BA has about a dozen daily departures to NYC, so you should be able to find something that works for you), or you can cancel your trip entirely and get a full refund.

Or you could voluntarily downgrade to Economy to fly on the Titan bird, but then you would not be entitled to compensation since downgrading was your idea.
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RE: Titan Airways 767, Now BA175 Into JFK

Tue Mar 19, 2013 11:41 am

G-POWD at JFK last night.
 
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RE: Titan Airways 767, Now BA175 Into JFK

Tue Mar 19, 2013 11:49 am

Quoting flyingalex (Reply 3):
The straw that broke the camel's back in this case was an engine failure on a B744 at DFW.

I was wondering what caused BNLK to sit here at DFW for 6 days. Thanks!
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RE: Titan Airways 767, Now BA175 Into JFK

Tue Mar 19, 2013 1:46 pm

I've been loading this flight for the past 3 days, no cargo just baggage. It's a dream to load too much better than our b767s. How old is POWD?

A Titan B757 arrived earlier today at T5, not sure how long that's with us for?

[Edited 2013-03-19 06:52:57]
 
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RE: Titan Airways 767, Now BA175 Into JFK

Tue Mar 19, 2013 2:23 pm

Quoting LhrRampRats (Reply 29):
I've been loading this flight for the past 3 days, no cargo just baggage. It's a dream to load too much better than our b767s. How old is POWD?

10 years:

http://www.airfleets.net/ficheapp/plane-b767-30847.htm
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RE: Titan Airways 767, Now BA175 Into JFK

Tue Mar 19, 2013 3:26 pm

So out of BA's 52 777s, 55 747s and the longhaul 767s, they have no slack in their fleet? Even with several aircraft in maintenance that is amazing aircraft utilisation.

Also, economy loads to NYC must be very high to not be able to put all of the economy passengers of the cancelled flights on any the 8 daily flights to NYC, or on AA flights.

This cannot be financially the best option, it would be interesting to hear the rationale behind the decision to charter the Titan jet.
 
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RE: Titan Airways 767, Now BA175 Into JFK

Tue Mar 19, 2013 4:51 pm

I saw that bird yesterday when my flight from FRA arrived an hour early. I was wondering what that was. A few minutes later, I also spotted a BA Narrowjet (looked like an A319) taxiing. Wondering why that plane was there. The weather was so bad. We sat on the tarmac because JFK did not have a gate for us. Had to wait for the AF A380 to depart and use that one instead  
 
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RE: Titan Airways 767, Now BA175 Into JFK

Tue Mar 19, 2013 5:08 pm

Quoting buck3y3nut (Reply 32):

The A319 was infact an A318 which operates the all business class service from LCY via SNN!!!!! Surprised you've never heard about it!
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RE: Titan Airways 767, Now BA175 Into JFK

Tue Mar 19, 2013 5:48 pm

Flew on this one back from LCA in December. I was booked into Club and received a refund of the difference in fare between Economy and Club as well as €60 compensation.

All the details on the aircraft and service are posted in the TR I wrote, which was mentioned above.
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RE: Titan Airways 767, Now BA175 Into JFK

Tue Mar 19, 2013 6:02 pm

That interior looks pretty good! It's certainly lightyears ahead of BA's shorthaul 767 interior!

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RE: Titan Airways 767, Now BA175 Into JFK

Tue Mar 19, 2013 7:32 pm

Quoting ajs123uk (Reply 22):
Work on jetties in terminal 7 has meant that there is not enough room for all the BA departures so the BA177 is leaving from terminal 8 for the most of March.



BA116 is the affected service.

Quoting flyingalex (Reply 23):
Quoting flyingalex (Reply 23):

D'oh , apologies, you are of course correct its the 116, I should know I operated on it last week, (177 was the outbound service I operated and I misread my roster!!)

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