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Aeromexico Restarting Rocky Point

Wed Mar 20, 2013 8:33 pm

http://finance.yahoo.com/news/aerome...ncies-international-165700334.html

PPE-LAS. It wasn't bookable on the website yet so no info on equipment or frequencies. Last attempt was from LAX with Saab 340s prior to the opening of the new airport. Before the travel downturn it seemed most of the tourism in Rocky Point came from AZ and CA, I would have thought PHX or LAX might have worked better. In any case it's positive news, hope it lasts.
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RE: Aeromexico Restarting Rocky Point

Wed Mar 20, 2013 8:38 pm

Where does that plane go beyond PPE or LAS? Are they adding domestic service to PPE too?
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RE: Aeromexico Restarting Rocky Point

Wed Mar 20, 2013 9:30 pm

It's twice weekly ERJ-145.
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RE: Aeromexico Restarting Rocky Point

Thu Mar 21, 2013 1:55 am

Interesting choice, LAS. As for Phoenix the flight would probably not work as it's a very short drive to Puerto Penasco.
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RE: Aeromexico Restarting Rocky Point

Thu Mar 21, 2013 3:38 am

Agree with IMissPiedmont. Tons of traffic between Phoenix and Rockey Point but really most people pack the car full for a long weekend and bring everything including food. So a flight to PHX would probably not be feasible.
 
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RE: Aeromexico Restarting Rocky Point

Thu Mar 21, 2013 3:51 am

Quoting PHXFlyer16 (Reply 4):
Agree with IMissPiedmont. Tons of traffic between Phoenix and Rockey Point but really most people pack the car full for a long weekend and bring everything including food. So a flight to PHX would probably not be feasible

That was always true of course, but it is different now. For one, the border checkpoint became notorious for 8, yes 8 hour delays coming back to AZ. But also of significance is that the drive from the border to Rocky Point has become, for lack of a better term, risky. I won't get into the argument as to how real the risk is, but in the very least, that is a very common, if not the predominant, perception. I loved going down there, but especially with a family now, I won't risk that drive, or the border wait. So I could see that flight having some success as people overfly that road.
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RE: Aeromexico Restarting Rocky Point

Thu Mar 21, 2013 4:01 am

All valid points 4holer (pun intended), however I would contend that you are the exception a d that most AZ rocky point visitors fall into one of two categories:

1) I'm young, broke, and in college and have nothing to lose, F-it, I'm driving!
2) if its not safe enough to drive, then I really wouldn't feel safe there either.

Most people who aren't thrilled about driving to Rocky Point aren't thrilled with Rocky Point in general and would opt for Cabo or Cancun. Just my opinion. I'd love to see the flight from PHX but I can't find a way to justify it. Who knows, maybe LAS works and they give PHX a shot next!
 
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RE: Aeromexico Restarting Rocky Point

Thu Mar 21, 2013 7:24 am

Is Puerto Penasco generally called Rocky Point in the States? I only know it under its Spanish name.
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RE: Aeromexico Restarting Rocky Point

Thu Mar 21, 2013 9:02 am

I always thought this was an Arizona destination -- I've never heard of anyone talking about going to Rocky Point/Puerto Peñasco outside of there.
 
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RE: Aeromexico Restarting Rocky Point

Thu Mar 21, 2013 12:53 pm

Quoting mah4546 (Reply 2):
It's twice weekly ERJ-145.

Looks like they're adding HMOPPE too, which would explain where the aircraft is coming from and would also be PPE's first(?) domestic connection as well.
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RE: Aeromexico Restarting Rocky Point

Thu Mar 21, 2013 5:07 pm

Quoting flyingalex (Reply 7):
Is Puerto Penasco generally called Rocky Point in the States? I only know it under its Spanish name.

Pretty interchangable here. In the past, I'd say the English verion of Rocky Point prevailed, but in these more "sensitive and considerate" times, the version preferred by the locals is very much more common. Having said that, the old Rocky Point version is much easier to say in English so it will probably never fade too far away.

Quoting PHXFlyer16 (Reply 6):
most AZ rocky point visitors fall into one of two categories:

1) I'm young, broke, and in college and have nothing to lose, F-it, I'm driving!
2) if its not safe enough to drive, then I really wouldn't feel safe there either.

Most people who aren't thrilled about driving to Rocky Point aren't thrilled with Rocky Point in general and would opt for Cabo or Cancun. Just my opinion. I'd love to see the flight from PHX but I can't find a way to justify it.

Probably also true. But they aren't trying to fill a 757 either. Enough people to support a smaller plane could probably be found.
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RE: Aeromexico Restarting Rocky Point

Thu Mar 21, 2013 10:01 pm

Quoting 4holer (Reply 10):
Enough people to support a smaller plane could probably be found.

Probably, but can that be done at a price point which supports the operating costs of an E145 considering that PPE is a destination favored by the price-sensitive?
 
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RE: Aeromexico Restarting Rocky Point

Fri Mar 22, 2013 1:57 am

A friend of mine just went down last weekend and she said the border crossing took 30 minutes. I also thought it would be much worse but she said that is normal. I haven't crossed since 1989 so I can't say for sure.
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RE: Aeromexico Restarting Rocky Point

Fri Mar 22, 2013 3:05 am

Quoting ScottB (Reply 11):
Probably, but can that be done at a price point which supports the operating costs of an E145 considering that PPE is a destination favored by the price-sensitive?

They tried a SF3 from LAX and if you blinked you missed it, and the LF were abysmal. I don't see how LAS on a more expensive, larger plane would be better. Maybe a casino is backing it?
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RE: Aeromexico Restarting Rocky Point

Fri Mar 22, 2013 3:16 am

I've often thought that the perfect "startup airline" would be flying a PC-12 on the FFZ-PPE-FFZ run 1X daily, then 3X daily on weekends.
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RE: Aeromexico Restarting Rocky Point

Fri Mar 22, 2013 4:13 am

Quoting johnboy (Reply 8):
I always thought this was an Arizona destination -- I've never heard of anyone talking about going to Rocky Point/Puerto Peñasco outside of there.

However, it's a recent focus of development, with government and private funds, and is quite a bit more than it was when I was in Arizona in the 90s when Rocky Point was mainly an RV destination. I don't think it's a FONATUR project like Loretto (or Cancun, or Cabo, or Ixtapa), but smaller scale. At any rate, I figure they stand a better chance attracting Las Vegas crowds (as a metro area) than Phoenix. I bet Denver might be good, too.

Quoting EA CO AS (Reply 14):
I've often thought that the perfect "startup airline" would be flying a PC-12 on the FFZ-PPE-FFZ run 1X daily, then 3X daily on weekends.

That is a good idea! Would you need an international arrival facility at Falcon Field? I read that Rocky Point is also a free zone not requiring a visa, so maybe that helps.

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RE: Aeromexico Restarting Rocky Point

Fri Mar 22, 2013 1:47 pm

Quoting MaverickM11 (Reply 13):
I don't see how LAS on a more expensive, larger plane would be better. Maybe a casino is backing it?

I don't see why a casino would. The population of the community is around 50,000 and there's a whole lot of nothing in the vicinity. I guess maybe for retirees who feel like a gambling trip to Lost Wages?

Quoting rampart (Reply 15):
Would you need an international arrival facility at Falcon Field? I read that Rocky Point is also a free zone not requiring a visa, so maybe that helps.

The U.S. would still screen incoming passengers, and it appears that Falcon Field lacks the capacity to handle international arrivals, even on private aircraft.
 
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RE: Aeromexico Restarting Rocky Point

Sat Mar 23, 2013 2:39 am

The route will be HMO-PPE-LAS with an Erj145! I'm not sure about the frequencies yet!

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RE: Aeromexico Restarting Rocky Point

Sun Mar 24, 2013 2:10 pm

While living in Tucson, I went just about every year to Puerto Peñasco. It was a four hour drive. It is the closest coast to Tucson. I am happy to see AM renewing service. I was hoping to see PHX and TUS also. The boarder facilities are insufficient to handle a large volume of traffic. A long wait to re-enter the USA, as is the case here in Tijuana doesn´t motivate going into Mexico.
 
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RE: Aeromexico Restarting Rocky Point

Sat Mar 30, 2013 12:08 am

It will be flown on 4 and 7.

Unless the government of Sonora do some more for Puerto Peñasco, this will not work out.

Magnicharters has strong interests in flying there from MEX but the risk is high as NO one knows Puerto Peñasco and GMT will have to do all the noise.

Puerto Peñasco will become more known by maybe 2020. Puerto Peñasco will go slow as once Los Cabos back in the late 90s was so unknown or unpopular among MEX, GDL and MTY.

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