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RE: Irish 5/13: Climbing Through The Turbulence

Sun Apr 07, 2013 10:16 pm

Quoting ClassicLover (Reply 48):
If you have a Gold Circle card, you can board at any time - so yeah, something to note for the future perhaps.

I didn't fancy it to be honest, by the time I'd arrived at the gate from the lounge there was already a crowd surrounding the desk and I decided just to board in my group rather than squeeze past everyone!

Quoting ClassicLover (Reply 48):
Only faults on the flights were the return sector - the crew waited until they came to me with the trolley to serve me. The crew member tried to give my voucher back. After that when I asked for tea, he tried to charge me and I said it was included - and his response was, "Oh, it's fine, I'm not bothered" ... !!! Anyway, the crew still aren't across it and if no-one is ordering the meals that is not too surprising.

Agree about the beef, way too much lettuce but the potato salad is lovely! I was offered a drink with my meal and I asked whether it had to be tea or coffee and the crew member laughed and said, "not at all, it's any drink you like" so I took a Coke.

Seems the service still a needs a bit of getting used to for crew.
 
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RE: Irish 5/13: Climbing Through The Turbulence

Sun Apr 07, 2013 11:43 pm

Jet 2 have suspended all Belfast Int flights due to safety concerns with runway works taking place. Flights operating from BHD however that is not possible for all routes ie TFS and ACE so possible stop in DUB if its not resolved. Very bad news for BFS managment.

http://www.jet2.com/new/status

[Edited 2013-04-07 16:45:30]
 
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RE: Irish 5/13: Climbing Through The Turbulence

Mon Apr 08, 2013 5:51 am

Quoting Jamie2k9 (Reply 51):

Has the relations between BFS and LS broken down recently? I find it strange that only LS has been affected as it seems to be business as usual for everyone else.

A huge blow to BFS, but who is truly at fault remains unclear.

BHD must be loving the new splash of colour!
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RE: Irish 5/13: Climbing Through The Turbulence

Mon Apr 08, 2013 8:52 am

Quoting Jambost (Reply 52):
Has the relations between BFS and LS broken down recently? I find it strange that only LS has been affected as it seems to be business as usual for everyone else.

Yes indeed why have other carriers not suspended their flights UA / EZY etc...

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Good news for the EI/EY USA codeshare :

Etihad Airways and Aer Lingus codeshare gains US regulatory

Etihad Airways, the national airline of the United Arab Emirates (UAE), has received approval from the United States (US) Department of Transportation to put its 'EY' flight code on Aer Lingus' transatlantic services out of Dublin, Ireland.

From today Etihad Airways will offer ten weekly codeshare flights via Dublin to Boston, eight to Chicago, 12 to New York and bookings can now be made.

http://www.zawya.com/story/Etihad_Ai...US_regulatory-ZAWYA20130408083546/

[Edited 2013-04-08 02:16:24]
 
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Mon Apr 08, 2013 10:03 am

Not a good day for Jet2 . First they switched to BHD and now an aircraft with the same passengers onboard are stuck at BHD due to technical difficulties. Then another flight from LBA to FAO was over an hour into the flight when it had to turn back to LBA for technical issues also.
 
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Mon Apr 08, 2013 11:10 am

UTV have a statement from the MD :

Safety fears prompt Jet2 to leave airport

Low-cost airline Jet2 has revealed it is leaving Belfast International Airport over fears the current runway system is unsafe.

http://www.u.tv/news/Safety-fears-pr...-bd598ca42c88#.UWKhapwYFIN.twitter
 
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Mon Apr 08, 2013 11:22 am

What is going on in LS?

Rumour on another forum suggests FOD incidents has repeatedly damaged their aircraft.

Perhaps their BFS base is losing money therefore deciding to leave in a huff with a bonus claim?

The only theory that could possibly make sense in my opinion so far.
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RE: Irish 5/13: Climbing Through The Turbulence

Mon Apr 08, 2013 11:24 am

Quoting Jambost (Reply 56):
What is going on in LS?

An interesting bit in this article :

Jet2 stops flying from Belfast International Airport

"We can confirm that we are engaged in an extensive runway re-surfacing project at Belfast International, but the unseasonal weather has prevented any substantive work taking place for almost three weeks," it said.

"During this down-time, one Jet2 aircraft has been reported as exhibiting engine-related problems on three occasions.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-22063816
 
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Mon Apr 08, 2013 11:50 am

Certainly events on the night of the 4th wouldn't have helped matters;BFS was closed from 22.00hrs to 22.30 in relation to works on the runway.This resulted in 4 aircraft in the hold,3x Easyjet and 1 from Jet2,and after an extensive hold, 3 flights landed,the ESY38BY returned back to EDI with a possible fuel issue.As the 3 aircraft were landing,the EDI flight was on short finals to land back in EDI.All in all a poorly handled operation in this day and age!!! What with a certain summit coming up lets hope all is sorted by then!!!!!!

[Edited 2013-04-08 04:53:52]
 
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Mon Apr 08, 2013 11:57 am

Quoting Nibog (Reply 58):
.All in all a poorly handled operation in this day and age!!! What with a certain summit coming up lets hope all is sorted by then!!!!!!

Certainly seems so . Maybe something to be investigated and for those in charge at BFS to answer to the carriers and the customers alike.
 
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Mon Apr 08, 2013 12:02 pm

Quoting OA260 (Reply 59):
Maybe something to be investigated and for those in charge at BFS to answer to the carriers and the customers alike.

Totally agree with you,ask any passenger on that Easyjet flight that had to return to EDI after a short hop over to BFS,all due to work on the runway which surely could have been held back until all inbounds were sorted and before the night freight flights start.
 
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Mon Apr 08, 2013 12:14 pm

Quoting OA260 (Reply 57):

Cheers, I was pretty slow to submit last my post.

LS seem confident that BFS runway maintenance is responsible.

Assuming that BFS are not responsible, does this tell us that LS days in BFS are numbered? Or is it just harsh safety first publicity?,

Just observing the last few posts I cannot help to think that BFS deserve this kick up their backside.

[Edited 2013-04-08 05:18:34]
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Mon Apr 08, 2013 12:20 pm

Quoting Jambost (Reply 61):
Assuming that BFS are not responsible, does this tell us that LS days in BFS are numbered? Or is it just harsh safety first publicity?

I wonder how Easyjet feel,they are by far the biggest customer @ BFS?.
 
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Mon Apr 08, 2013 12:52 pm

Statement from BFS :

Statement from Belfast International Airport regarding Jet2.com

We can confirm that we are engaged in an extensive runway re-surfacing project at Belfast International, but the unseasonal weather has prevented any substantive work taking place for almost three weeks.

During this down-time, one Jet2 aircraft has been reported as exhibiting engine-related problems on three occasions. No other airline, nor indeed any other Jet2 aircraft or aircraft of this type, has reported any similar issue. A full investigation is underway to assess what actually occurred. At this stage, there is no conclusive evidence connecting these reported problems with the runway maintenance at Belfast International Airport. Despite this, and indeed the implementation of additional precautionary measures by the airport in the meantime, the airline has decided to withdraw all flights.

http://www.belfastairport.com/en/new...nal-airport-regarding-jet2com.html

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Also heard that in the mean time some flights will operate from LDY with bus transfer.
 
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Mon Apr 08, 2013 1:00 pm

Quoting Nibog (Reply 62):

I imagine U2 will sit back and enjoy the show and even possibly state that none of their flights are disrupted unlike LS.

However if they do have similar concerns I imagine they are discussing the matter to be resolved behind closed doors to maintain a good relationship with BFS management. The relationship between BFS and U2 is what some could say is keeping FR away  
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Mon Apr 08, 2013 1:03 pm

Quoting Jambost (Reply 64):

I imagine U2 will sit back and enjoy the show and even possibly state that none of their flights are disrupted unlike LS.

Indeed and apparantly LS are looking compo from BFS !

Such a shame as its over shadowed their new route announcements.
 
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Mon Apr 08, 2013 1:21 pm

I just imagine FR with these events and remind myself that it is LS,

Does anyone know what their load factors are like in general?
If LS are losing money through their BFS base, would they use this as an exit strategy with some possible compensation on the way out?

Again sounds like something FR would do but not LS so probably pointless mentioning such a theory.

Will be interesting to see what they say about their international flights, can the runway at LDY support flights to the Canaries?
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Mon Apr 08, 2013 1:23 pm

Reported on PPRUNE that stones were found in one of the aircraft engines at Belfast...
 
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Mon Apr 08, 2013 1:26 pm

Quoting Jambost (Reply 66):
Will be interesting to see what they say about their international flights, can the runway at LDY support flights to the Canaries?

AFAIK yes because some major UK Tour Operators have these types of flights in the Summer.
 
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Mon Apr 08, 2013 10:41 pm

I'm a regular on the LGW-DUB route and I've noticed that air fares leaving on a Friday returning on a Monday have doubled compared to this time last year and that's for both FR and EI. I used to be able to get a £55-75 return ticket but now it's more like £110-120. Obviously this is good for both of them as I've yet to be on a flight that's not even close to under 80% full. Has anyone else noticed a drastic increase in their regular fares?
 
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Mon Apr 08, 2013 11:10 pm

Quoting Aer Lingus (Reply 69):
I'm a regular on the LGW-DUB route and I've noticed that air fares leaving on a Friday returning on a Monday have doubled compared to this time last year and that's for both FR and EI. I used to be able to get a £55-75 return ticket but now it's more like £110-120. Obviously this is good for both of them as I've yet to be on a flight that's not even close to under 80% full. Has anyone else noticed a drastic increase in their regular fares?

Yes totally. I used to be able to get flights to LGW for EUR65-70 and now its EUR110-130 so I have certainly noticed it.
 
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RE: Irish 5/13: Climbing Through The Turbulence

Tue Apr 09, 2013 7:03 am

Interesting story about the possible impact of climate change on N Atlantic air journeys from the BBC today.
It is somewhat appropriate to the theme heading of Irish 5/13.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-22063340
 
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RE: Irish 5/13: Climbing Through The Turbulence

Tue Apr 09, 2013 11:07 am

Anyone know what name A320 EI-CVG had?
I do enjoy a spot of flying, especially when it's not in economy!
 
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Tue Apr 09, 2013 11:28 am

Quoting ClassicLover (Reply 72):
Anyone know what name A320 EI-CVG had?

St . Flannan IIRC
 
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Tue Apr 09, 2013 11:55 am

Handy page to bookmark, names, age, and config of all the current EI fleet:

http://corporate.aerlingus.com/companyprofile/fleet/index.html
 
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Tue Apr 09, 2013 12:45 pm

Quoting ClassicLover (Reply 72):
St . Flannan IIRC

The name that EI-DVG has now? ... you're right if it were DVG, but I am looking for CVG. I have it in Flight Memory but it's the only Aer Lingus aircraft I never took the name down for.

Quoting EagleBoy (Reply 74):
Handy page to bookmark, names, age, and config of all the current EI fleet:

http://corporate.aerlingus.com/compa....html

Oh, I use that all the time!

EI-CVG is no longer in the fleet, which is why I was asking.

My next flight on Aer Lingus is my 100th flight with them and it will be a nice milestone to pass   276 flights so far in my life, fun!
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Tue Apr 09, 2013 1:32 pm

Quoting ClassicLover (Reply 75):
The name that EI-DVG has now? ... you're right if it were DVG, but I am looking for CVG. I have it in Flight Memory but it's the only Aer Lingus aircraft I never took the name down for.

Are you sure that was the reg? I have a rough list of EI historic flight, can't find that reg. What aircraft type?
Could it have been EI-CPG or EI-CDG?

[Edited 2013-04-09 06:32:53]
 
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Tue Apr 09, 2013 1:36 pm

Quoting EagleBoy (Reply 76):
Are you sure that was the reg? I have a rough list of EI historic flight, can't find that reg. What aircraft type?
Could it have been EI-CPG or EI-CDG?

Definitely an A320 - maybe it should be DVG and I took it down incorrectly or typed it in to Flight Memory incorrectly. Entirely possible!
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Tue Apr 09, 2013 1:40 pm

Must have been.
First 4 EI A320 were EI-CVA..B..C..D, Next deliveries were all EI-DEx series, last few are EI-DVx.
-CPG is St.Aiden and -CDG was St.Molling (B735)
 
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Tue Apr 09, 2013 1:48 pm

Quoting EagleBoy (Reply 78):
Must have been.

Perfect, thanks for that   Solves a little mystery for me!
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Tue Apr 09, 2013 5:08 pm

Quoting dstc47 (Reply 71):
possible impact of climate change

More Climate Model junk science, best ignored
 
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Tue Apr 09, 2013 6:17 pm

Quoting Aer Lingus (Reply 69):
Has anyone else noticed a drastic increase in their regular fares?

   I try to fly back to Ireland frequently but the gradual increase in fares generally has begun to put me off, especially on LGW-NOC which is handy for me. Fares on this route are frequently downright extortionate. I dislike flying FR but their fares are more steady and I usually end up booking with them because the previous small premium I was prepared to pay to fly EI is no longer that small!
 
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Tue Apr 09, 2013 9:20 pm

Jet2 will return services to BFS from Wednesday,

Quote:
Update re: Flights scheduled to operate from Belfast International from Wednesday 10th April 2013

Following our decision to temporarily suspend operations at Belfast International Airport, due to safety concerns during the current maintenance programme on the main runway, we have today come to an agreement with the airport that we will now operate all our flights using the alternative North/South runway. This will take effect from Wednesday 10th April, until further notice. This decision follows close consultation with the airport and a detailed safety assessment conducted today. All our customers due to travel from Belfast International this week should go to the airport as normal.

We would like to apologise for the inconvenience this has caused however the safety of our customers is of paramount importance and we will not operate from Belfast International Airport%u2019s main runway until the resurfacing has finished.

Rather cobwebs choking their engines than stones!   
Perhaps they see now how much their tantrem has truley cost, plus a damaging image would only push some of their potential PAX towards their direct and indirect competitors.
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Wed Apr 10, 2013 11:19 am

Afternoon all. I had my first flights with Aer Lingus Regional yesterday on the DUB to SEN route. I flew out on the early morning flight and then back in the evening on the last flight out of SEN. While the flights were fine, both on EI-EHH, I must say the loads were particularly light. We had 13 passengers in the morning and only 9 on the way back!

Still, nice to get in a couple of ATR flights again.
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RE: Irish 5/13: Climbing Through The Turbulence

Wed Apr 10, 2013 3:17 pm

Quoting EIDAA (Reply 83):
I must say the loads were particularly light. We had 13 passengers in the morning and only 9 on the way back!

It's down to six weekly for next winter which isn't very encouraging but I believe February was its second best month since it started and the winter schedule probably still needs to be finalised so it could have a chance.
 
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Wed Apr 10, 2013 5:10 pm

Quoting EIDAA (Reply 83):

Thats not good on a business day and if thats the kind of numbers its getting on other days too.
 
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Wed Apr 10, 2013 6:17 pm

The reduced EIR schedules for next winter are for early T/A bookings via DUB, it won't be June until EIR confirm their schedules but I do think that DUB-SEN will be dropped by summer 2014.
 
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Wed Apr 10, 2013 8:57 pm

Quoting EIDAA (Reply 83):

I flew KIR-DUB and back on Saturday and both flights good loads. The morning one in particular was packed with just two or three empty seats on the AT4. I had EI-BYO outbound and EI-CPT inbound; two different crews. I paid €95 for the return journey.
 
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Wed Apr 10, 2013 9:37 pm

Quoting Jamie2k9 (Reply 86):
but I do think that DUB-SEN will be dropped by summer 2014.

Well hopefully we will see DUB-LPL in it's place. Long overdue.
 
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Wed Apr 10, 2013 9:48 pm

Hi there! I've been following this thread for the past 3-4 years so I've decided to at last sign-up as a member!  

The thread is always good fun to read and now I hope to join in. I've an interest both in the 'spotting' and commercial sides of aviation, and hope to get some Trip Reports up too!


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Wed Apr 10, 2013 10:15 pm

Quoting 321NEO (Reply 89):
I've decided to at last sign-up as a member!

Welcome! Hope you enjoy posting and get stuck in with the discussion!

Some great videos you have too  
 
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RE: Irish 5/13: Climbing Through The Turbulence

Thu Apr 11, 2013 8:19 am

Some interesting figures from Aer Lingus and others :

Aer Lingus staff costs still among highest in the European industry

AER Lingus still has the fifth-highest costs per employee among European airlines, despite pay cuts and freezes in the past four years.

A survey by international aviation group CAPA said the cost per employee at Aer Lingus was €74,818 on average, way above the average at Ryanair, where the average is €49,182.

The most expensive employees are at the troubled Scandinavian airline SAS, where the average is €104,342.

British Airways is at number nine, at €66,851. That is lower than Easyjet, where the average is €70,472.

http://www.independent.ie/business/i...he-european-industry-29188671.html

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By the way, here's my YouTube channel: http://www.youtube.com/user/Shamrock...ircle

Welcome. Some nice videos there. Must fire them up on the Apple TV later and watch in HD
 
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Thu Apr 11, 2013 10:28 am

Quoting OA260 (Reply 91):
AER Lingus still has the fifth-highest costs per employee among European airlines, despite pay cuts and freezes in the past four years.

I read that - it was quite surprising really - after pay cuts and freezes it's still that high!
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Thu Apr 11, 2013 12:02 pm

Article on EY-EI codeshare tie up from the Gulf News.

http://gulfnews.com/business/aviatio...ingus-codeshare-gets-nod-1.1167996

More interestingly, I noticed the following paragraph...

....Commenting on the deal, aviation analyst, Andrew Charlton of Aviation Advocacy, told Gulf News: “This will be a very attractive service for many of its [Etihad’s] customers, because of the pre-clearance of US Customs that can be done in Dublin. It opens a very welcome route to the US for many, and for Etihad it gives them a huge competitive advantage against Emirates and Qatar Airways.
“The question, however, is for how long? Ireland has been debating the application from Emirates for sixth freedom flights (ie, Emirates flights that go Dubai-Dublin-NYC) for some time. To date, it has refused them but this would seem to indicate that it will now be forced to concede them.”...

First I've heard of EK looking for 6th freedom rights out of Ireland.
 
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Thu Apr 11, 2013 12:40 pm

Quoting ThrottleHold (Reply 93):
(ie, Emirates flights that go Dubai-Dublin-NYC) for some time

It wouldn't surprise me if EK did want them from Ireland and in fact eventually get them. The thing is what impact it would have on Aer Lingus.

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Runaway deer sparks airport alert

D’oh! A deer, a runaway deer sparked a major security alert at Cork Airport yesterday.
The bizarre incident triggered a full-scale deer hunt, which was still under way around the airfield perimeter last night, to ensure the animal can’t gain access to the airfield again.

The wild animal, believed to be an adult male, somehow found its way on to the airfield yesterday afternoon.

http://www.irishexaminer.com/ireland...r-sparks-airport-alert-228006.html

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Airline defends rugby flights price rise

Soon after the final whistle was blown in Munster’s quarter-final clash with Harelquins on Sunday, the airline started selling seats from Shannon to Montpellier for the Apr 27 semi-final fixture against Clermont Auvergne.

However, since then, the cost has increased by €150, from €355.98 on Sunday to €505.90 last night, and Ryanair has confirmed the prices will rise even more. A similar flight from Dublin cost about the same yesterday.


http://www.irishexaminer.com/ireland...gby-flights-price-rise-227991.html

Thoughts on this ? Its a case of supply and demand I guess. I wouldn't pay EUR505 though that's for sure.
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Ryanair wants airline bid Vat refund

Ryanair claims it should be refunded €770,000 in Vat for professional services related to its unsuccessful 2006 bid to take over Aer Lingus, the High Court has heard.

http://www.irishexaminer.com/busines...airline-bid-vat-refund-228039.html

Thoughts? Should they get a refund?
 
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Thu Apr 11, 2013 3:16 pm

The newest Airliner World states that Air Contractors is planning to wet-lease three B757s to Aer Lingus. All of these coming from Finnair.
 
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Thu Apr 11, 2013 4:24 pm

Quoting finnishway (Reply 95):
The newest Airliner World states that Air Contractors is planning to wet-lease three B757s to Aer Lingus. All of these coming from Finnair.



Yep.
They probably got their info from this site anyway.  
Quoting OA260 (Reply 91):

British Airways is at number nine, at €66,851. That is lower than Easyjet, where the average is €70,472.

While i am quite surprised to see how high the averages are, comparing one airline to another is not really valid as it doesn't take into account outsourced functions which could dilute the others figures.
With this BA versus U2 example, you probably see BA's average watered down by the fact that they have 1000's of ground handling staff on their own books which form a large percentage of overall employees. These staff tend to be unskilled and earn lower salaries than Pilots and Engineers.
For Easyjet, you probably have a lot of these jobs outsourced so not appearing in their figures.

On the SAS example, as far as i know all their handling/customer service is a separate company SGS. Again probably not reflected in the figures.

But i'm still surprised by the EI figure as they have still got quite a lot of lower paid catering/customer service/handling staff on their own books, so i would expect a lower average. It must mean there are a lot of people earning over 100k in EI!
 
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RE: Irish 5/13: Climbing Through The Turbulence

Thu Apr 11, 2013 5:32 pm

Quoting ThrottleHold (Reply 93):
“The question, however, is for how long? Ireland has been debating the application from Emirates for sixth freedom flights (ie, Emirates flights that go Dubai-Dublin-NYC) for some time. To date, it has refused them but this would seem to indicate that it will now be forced to concede them.”...

First I've heard of EK looking for 6th freedom rights out of Ireland.

Me too! I am surprised that EK would want them, given that they could reach most cities in the US from DXB; I know they are doing MXP-JFK. I wonder if the reason for the refusal is that they are looking at cities already served directly from DUB. If they were to serve new cities, like MIA, PHX or LAS, perhaps there would not be such a problem?

I think the issue is that if they were to give EY these rights (and why are we talking about sixth freedom rights - I thought these would be fifth?) , I guess they'd have to do the same for EK. If they can get different carriers to do different routes, it would be very good for tourism.

I was working on some timetables today and it occurred to me that if EY were to extend their morning flight (for example) to the US, the return flight from the US could be schedule to coincide with the current departure from DUB to AUH, e.g.:

Currently:
(0220-0730) AUH-DUB
(0920-1950) DUB-AUH

You could fit (for example) a DUB-MIA service in there, departing at c.08.50, arriving MIA at 12.50 (assuming 9h) and then, leaving at 18.30 and arriving into DUB at about 07.30-08.00.) Of course, not great for hub connections on the outbound, but still, worthy of consideration.

Quoting OA260 (Reply 94):
D’oh! A deer

A female dear?
 
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RE: Irish 5/13: Climbing Through The Turbulence

Thu Apr 11, 2013 5:57 pm

Quoting kaitak (Reply 97):
(and why are we talking about sixth freedom rights - I thought these would be fifth?)

If you take the "classic" meaning of fifth, they'd have to be, say, MIA-DUB-AUH flights, albeit with the ability to buy sectoral tickets. Sixth seems to get used to refer to being allowed operate flights entirely unconnected to your home country. Although the worlds least accurate encyclopaedia claims that that should be called seventh freedom!
 
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RE: Irish 5/13: Climbing Through The Turbulence

Thu Apr 11, 2013 6:32 pm

Quoting finnishway (Reply 95):

Will be very interesting to see how EI configures the cabins and the choice of seats/IFE

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