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Qatar And Ethiopia Sign Air Service Agreement

Thu Apr 11, 2013 9:02 am

http://nazret.com/blog/index.php/201.../10/ethiopia-qatar-sign-agreements

Never knew there there wasn't any ASA between Qatar And Ethiopia. Now that it is signed, let's see who starts DOH - ADD first .... ET or QR!
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RE: Qatar And Ethiopia Sign Air Service Agreement

Thu Apr 11, 2013 9:10 am

I would not have guessed that Qatar Airways does NOT operate the Doha-Addis route yet!, considering QR's relentless and merciless expansion into Africa and the World at large !

[Edited 2013-04-11 02:12:00]
 
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RE: Qatar And Ethiopia Sign Air Service Agreement

Thu Apr 11, 2013 10:14 am

doesnt say anything on frequencies though...please try to find this out as this is big news for QR who should pounce on it immediately.

ADD-GCC market sizes in 2012 were HUGE and very high yielding at the same time. There is only EK, ET and 3 weekly GF A320s to contend with as the SV flights mainly target KSA bound pax only. Anyways the market sizes are as follows:

DXB 255,000
JED 150,000
RUH 130,000
KWI 105,000
MCT 40,000
DMM 35,000
BAH 11,000
DOH 7,000
AUH 6,000

Other big markets for QR to tap into to/from ADD include:

IAD 90,000
LHR 50,000
PEK 39,000
BEY 39,000
FCO 31,000
CAN 30,000
CDG 22,000
ARN 20,000
BKK 18,000
MXP 16,000
BOM 15,000
DEL 11,000
OSL 8,000
 
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RE: Qatar And Ethiopia Sign Air Service Agreement

Thu Apr 11, 2013 1:14 pm

In order to ensure that QR reaps the maximum benefit, they need to launch ADD with a split schedule so that all the major markets beyond the GCC region are covered adequately with quick connections via DOH in both directions. Therefore the flight scheduling options should be as follows:

4 weekly day time services

*This will ensure good 2 way connections to GCC, ISC and certain SE Asian destinations.

QR XXX Dep DOH 0950 Arr ADD 1330
QR XXX Dep ADD 1430 Arr DOH 1805

3 weekly overnight services

*This will ensure good 2 way connections to GCC, North America and Europe

QR XXX Dep DOH 2140 Arr ADD 0120+1
QR XXX Dep ADD 0220 Arr DOH 0555

If daily operations are not allowed and only 4 weekly are, then each of the above should be flown twice a week as the main focus will be O&D + GCC bound traffic which is connected very well via DOH with the proposed schedule.

Also regardless if 4 or daily frequencies are allowed, QR needs to utilize for 2 weekly flights at least an A330 (preferably on daytime services) as the yield and cargo revenue to/from ADD is very lucrative all across QR's network. Plus with the big market sizes on offer, it can easily fill an A330 year round on this medium haul route at 80-85% in the passenger cabin.
 
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RE: Qatar And Ethiopia Sign Air Service Agreement

Thu Apr 11, 2013 8:38 pm

This is all part of a renewed diplomatic relations being re-established between Qatar and Ethiopia. Qatar has been accused of financing terrorist groups within Ethiopia and in Somalia and Eritrea. Good news that page is now turned.

Quoting behramjee (Reply 2):
ADD-GCC market sizes in 2012 were HUGE and very high yielding at the same time. There is only EK, ET and 3 weekly GF A320s to contend with as the SV flights mainly target KSA bound pax only. Anyways the market sizes are as follows:

Thanks behramjee for the usual empirical data. Is this all O&D data? Also, FZ is missing with their 3x weekly flights DXB-ADD.

QR has a lot more to gain from this BASA than ET. Good news for the traveling public to have yet another option out of ADD.
 
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RE: Qatar And Ethiopia Sign Air Service Agreement

Fri Apr 12, 2013 8:16 am

Quoting behramjee (Reply 2):
ADD-GCC market sizes in 2012 were HUGE and very high yielding at the same time. There is only EK, ET and 3 weekly GF A320s to contend with as the SV flights mainly target KSA bound pax only. Anyways the market sizes are as follows:

DXB 255,000
JED 150,000
RUH 130,000
KWI 105,000
MCT 40,000
DMM 35,000
BAH 11,000
DOH 7,000
AUH 6,000

Other big markets for QR to tap into to/from ADD include:

IAD 90,000
LHR 50,000
PEK 39,000
BEY 39,000
FCO 31,000
CAN 30,000
CDG 22,000
ARN 20,000
BKK 18,000
MXP 16,000
BOM 15,000
DEL 11,000
OSL 8,000

The above figures do not show the O&D from ADD but rather Pax that ET carried through it's hub ADD. O&D traffic from ADD is about 30% of the traffic carried by ET. I doubt EK even has 50% load out of ADD on most days on its 330. BMI and KLM recently stopped ADD because of poor loads. QR might do ok to the middle east because there are a lot of domestic workers that travel to these destinations from ADD and are always looking for the cheapest fare.
 
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RE: Qatar And Ethiopia Sign Air Service Agreement

Fri Apr 12, 2013 10:11 am

Quoting dkny (Reply 5):
The above figures do not show the O&D from ADD but rather Pax that ET carried through it's hub ADD. O&D traffic from ADD is about 30% of the traffic carried by ET. I doubt EK even has 50% load out of ADD on most days on its 330. BMI and KLM recently stopped ADD because of poor loads. QR might do ok to the middle east because there are a lot of domestic workers that travel to these destinations from ADD and are always looking for the cheapest fare.

you are 100% wrong. My figures show the total market size carried by all airlines including ET.

The figures are only of passengers flying from ADD or ending their journey in ADD itself ! Transit passengers of other airlines are included obviously for example EK has a high market share % on Asia-ADD and India-ADD.

As far as ET is concerned, it does include figures of ET but point to point passengers bound to/from Ethiopia !

Quoting ETinCaribe (Reply 4):
Thanks behramjee for the usual empirical data. Is this all O&D data? Also, FZ is missing with their 3x weekly flights DXB-ADD.

yes ADD-DXB market size figure of 255,000 includes ET, EK, FZ and the transit carriers such as KQ
 
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RE: Qatar And Ethiopia Sign Air Service Agreement

Fri Apr 12, 2013 2:17 pm

Quoting behramjee (Reply 6):
yes ADD-DXB market size figure of 255,000 includes ET, EK, FZ and the transit carriers such as KQ

Thanks again for the clarifications, behramjee. And it adds up in my quick napkin calculation.

CAPA has an article on ET this week (very weak one by their standards, all info is nothing new, plus missing info on Zambia hub negotiations, 77W/77L orders, add'l 788 lease orders, etc.)
http://centreforaviation.com/analysi...-worlds-high-growth-regions-102851

Article states that seat capacity on ET alone ADD-DXB for week of Apr8-14 is 9268. Extrapolating for a whole year (fully understanding that capacity will vary but again this is a rough calc) gives us some 480k seats/year. A332 for EK flying daily adds another 100k seats. FZ is 30k per annum. SO with these alone, direct ADD-DXB is 610k/yr. So ADD-DXB O&D would represent ~42% (a bit less most likely when adding KQ and others). So the numbers make sense to me  
 
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RE: Qatar And Ethiopia Sign Air Service Agreement

Sat Apr 13, 2013 7:19 am

Quoting ETinCaribe (Reply 7):
Thanks again for the clarifications, behramjee. And it adds up in my quick napkin calculation.

CAPA has an article on ET this week (very weak one by their standards, all info is nothing new, plus missing info on Zambia hub negotiations, 77W/77L orders, add'l 788 lease orders, etc.)
http://centreforaviation.com/analysi...-worlds-high-growth-regions-102851

Article states that seat capacity on ET alone ADD-DXB for week of Apr8-14 is 9268. Extrapolating for a whole year (fully understanding that capacity will vary but again this is a rough calc) gives us some 480k seats/year. A332 for EK flying daily adds another 100k seats. FZ is 30k per annum. SO with these alone, direct ADD-DXB is 610k/yr. So ADD-DXB O&D would represent ~42% (a bit less most likely when adding KQ and others). So the numbers make sense to me

you're most welcome and thank you for the compliment...I have some interesting info for you i.e. ET's top markets that feed its double daily DXB services

ADD 55%
ABV 7%
LOS 7%
EBB 3%
PNR 2%

Those were the top 5...# 5-10 are HRE, DLA, LBV, ACC and MPM respectively

So basically, ET's O&D (point to point) traffic on the ADD-DXB-ADD sector is 55% and the remaining 45% are transit passengers bound to other destinations of which the top 10 I have mentioned above.

Now as far as Emirates is concerned on the ADD route, its daily flights are filled with the below mentioned top 10 feeder markets:

DXB 31%...so their main focus is transit passengers and not O&D
PEK
RUH
JED
MCT
PVG
MEL
ICN
KWI
HKG

[Edited 2013-04-13 00:23:28]

[Edited 2013-04-13 00:35:24]
 
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RE: Qatar And Ethiopia Sign Air Service Agreement

Sat Apr 13, 2013 8:16 am

Quoting behramjee (Reply 6):
you are 100% wrong. My figures show the total market size carried by all airlines including ET.

I stand corrected. Thank you

Quoting behramjee (Reply 8):
ADD 55%
ABV 7%
LOS 7%
EBB 3%
PNR 2%

Those were the top 5...# 5-10 are HRE, DLA, LBV, ACC and MPM respectively

I never knew.

Do you know what percentage feeds into the IAD from ADD and what are the other big feeders to IAD

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