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RE: Philippine Aviation Thread 2013

Sun May 12, 2013 11:46 pm

Quoting dforce1 (Reply 48):
Does anybody know if PAL's new A330-300's and the leased A340 from Iberia will have personal televisions with video on demand like the B777?

I'm not confident with the leased A340s, but I am pretty sure the new A330s will have AVOD. I wonder if the A321s though will be equipped though.
 
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RE: Philippine Aviation Thread 2013

Mon May 13, 2013 9:27 am

Here's an interesting news item I discovered. SEAir is cancelling their flights to Davao in favour of increasing flights to Bacolod. I wouldn't have guessed that Bacolod is more profitable than Davao. But I suppose both Bacolod and Davao represent the few routes in the country where all of the Philippine carriers compete. It's especially interesting given that Air Asia - Zest just launched new service to Bacolod which is bound to spark a fare war. What do you make of it?

http://www.philippineflightnetwork.c...air-suspends-flights-to-davao.html
 
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RE: Philippine Aviation Thread 2013

Thu May 16, 2013 8:41 am

Quoting dforce1 (Reply 45):

What is the maximum size of aircraft they are hoping to accommodate after the runway extension?

What they were hoping for and what is practical in the short - medium term may be too far apart.....

http://philippineairspace.blogspot.com/search/label/caticlan%20airport

Given the GC distances from MPH to potential destinations, just one city falls close to the 500nm range from a 1,147m TOFL requirement of the E170 - the smallest jet in production that still has a decent revenue potential.....

http://www.embraercommercialjets.com/img//download/138.pdf

Maybe they could better their 1,000m target and add 300m more of runway by 2016 so it might be granted a 2C classification. Would be more than good enough for small bizjets.

Quoting dforce1 (Reply 45):
Is anything planned for the terminal?
http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-6C_WRrCWJsI/Tgh2dJTKVZI/AAAAAAAAGlo/zqcRhy6IQ_g/s1600/ph3-250611_RB-1.jpg
http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-6C_WRrCWJs...Rhy6IQ_g/s1600/ph3-250611_RB-1.jpg

http://i1191.photobucket.com/albums/z463/pangyao/Caticlan%20Airport/cadc.jpg
http://i1191.photobucket.com/albums/...angyao/Caticlan%20Airport/cadc.jpg

Gotta love the idea of a VLA @ MPH...    !

Not sure what will become of this.....

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http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-mh4ok8y-bQ.../New_Caticlan_Airport_Terminal.jpg

Quoting crownvic (Reply 46):
the r/w will be expanded to 1900m from 890m. Long enough to accommodate flights from most Asian cities.

Don't know if it was a misprint or the goal was updated, but they were looking at 1,500m only in 2025.....

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http://www.gcmap.com/map?P=mph-hkg/i.../oka&MS=wls&MR=300&MX=540x540&PM=*

Thus, they could only fly to the rest of the cities within the E170's 2100nm range then. By which time, the G2 E-Jets will have long been in service. It might be best if they kept the NEOs at KLO.
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RE: Philippine Aviation Thread 2013

Fri May 17, 2013 5:10 pm

Quoting Devilfish (Reply 52):
Given the GC distances from MPH to potential destinations, just one city falls close to the 500nm range from a 1,147m TOFL requirement of the E170 - the smallest jet in production that still has a decent revenue potential.....

Would the Bombardier C-Series be effective here? It seems ridiculous if they wait until 2025. They will have a much better chance of meeting their tourism goals if they get this in place by 2016.

I also wonder why aren't there any regional jets currently in the Philippines? The only one that comes to mind is SkyJet's Bae-146.

[Edited 2013-05-17 10:11:53]
 
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RE: Philippine Aviation Thread 2013

Sat May 18, 2013 4:25 am

Quoting dforce1 (Reply 53):
Quoting Devilfish (Reply 52):
Given the GC distances from MPH to potential destinations, just one city falls close to the 500nm range from a 1,147m TOFL requirement of the E170 - the smallest jet in production that still has a decent revenue potential.....

Would the Bombardier C-Series be effective here? It seems ridiculous if they wait until 2025. They will have a much better chance of meeting their tourism goals if they get this in place by 2016.

I also wonder why aren't there any regional jets currently in the Philippines? The only one that comes to mind is SkyJet's Bae-146.

[Edited 2013-05-17 10:11:53]

Well, when you have Airbus giving the store away all over Asia with A319/320 types, why would you even bother with an RJ? Missile launched  
 
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RE: Philippine Aviation Thread 2013

Sat May 18, 2013 5:00 am

Hey guys! I've been away for a while and it was a surprise to find all the interesting posts you've been doing during the month.
Last night I found something that I thought would be of interest to some of you too. On CABs website they usually publish statistics of domestic and international passengers in the Philippines, but never before have I seen detailed information of ALL airlines, and even more so, the load factor of every airline operating in the country:

http://www.cab.gov.ph/statistics/category/international-3 (Choose the first file)

The most notable figures according to me are the following:

EK: On January 1, the airline added a third flight on a 77W (a 50% increase in capacity), but still the airline kept an LF of 91% on all three flights! Usually the LF decreases after adding capacity and then gradually gain back, but EK seems to have filled the new flight up without any problems.

EY, QR and GF haf LFs of 90%, 89% and 84%.

HA: LF of 36%?? No wonder the airline is cutting Manila!

NOTE: ALthough I do find the numbers reliable, the LFs has to be double checked. Example: EKs figure of 210,210 passengers has been divided by 90 days, which is 2336. This figure has in turn been divided by six flights, and your result is 389 passengers per flight. CAB has chosen the 427-seated 77W to get an LF of 91%, but EK mostly use a 442-seated 77W which gives you an LF of 88%.

After realising this, I noticed that the figure for DL and SV (and maybe others?) are surely correct, but the LF is incorrect! The LF on HA is unfortunately correct.

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RE: Philippine Aviation Thread 2013

Sat May 18, 2013 6:39 am

If Philippine Airlines is looking to acquire more wide bodies, I wonder if they would consider purchasing these aircraft. Must be cheaper than getting them brand new....

http://worldairlinenews.com/2013/05/...ling-all-eight-boeing-777-200-lrs/
 
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RE: Philippine Aviation Thread 2013

Sat May 18, 2013 1:43 pm

Quoting dforce1 (Reply 53):

Would the Bombardier C-Series be effective here?

The CS100 might...but there are no specifics yet regarding short field performance on their website (other than generalities) that would indicate its compatibility with MPH.

http://media.bombardiercms.com/cseries/medias/cseries/galleries/cseries_path_large_en_cs007.jpg
http://media.bombardiercms.com/cseri...es/cseries_path_large_en_cs007.jpg

http://cseries.com/info/en/#/cseries/technology/

The CS100 would need more than twice the current available runway length at Caticlan...assuming roughly the same 2,056m TOFL as the E190 for full range...compared to the E170's 1,644m requirement.

Quoting dforce1 (Reply 53):
It seems ridiculous if they wait until 2025.

A big part of the problem is 'right-of-way' acquisition. The government could invoke 'eminent domain' but it would still have to pay the owners' asking price. Forcing the issue may lead to an interminable legal battle. And then there are the geo-technical and environmental hurdles.

All these will require vast sums of money that people of the province will see as favoring parochial financial interests and foreign leisure seekers...versus the wider KLO community. Which in turn could give rise to social unrest...as we have the opposite of NIMBYs here. Politics being what it is, it's entirely possible the government would take the easy way out.

Quoting dforce1 (Reply 53):
I also wonder why aren't there any regional jets currently in the Philippines?

The frequency demand in the country is not as acute as in the West. The market is more efficiently and profitably served by bigger aircraft. It's only in cases like MPH where they want to bring in regional travelers directly that twinjets like the E170 begin to be considered (turboprops beat it locally). It'll help that used E170s are immediately available at reasonable cost...pending G2 EIS in 2018.....

http://www.flightglobal.com/news/art...year-service-entry-in-2018-383416/

Besides, it's doubtful Bombardier and Embraer could match A & B's financial clout.


Quoting dforce1 (Reply 56):
If Philippine Airlines is looking to acquire more wide bodies, I wonder if they would consider purchasing these aircraft. Must be cheaper than getting them brand new....

I guess it's more likely for PR to order 787s than buy those.  
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RE: Philippine Aviation Thread 2013

Sun May 19, 2013 11:55 pm

Just found what I've been searching for.....

http://cseries.com/info/en/#/cseries...y/urbanoperations/cityconnections/

So, the CS100 could do 1,500nm from a 1,200m takeoff run, and basically cover most of the target cities in the region.....

http://www.gcmap.com/map?P=&R=1500nm%40mph&MS=wls&MR=360&MX=540x540&PM=*
http://www.gcmap.com/map?P=&R=1500nm...0mph&MS=wls&MR=360&MX=540x540&PM=*

If proven true, then it'd be much better than the E170 - with lower seat-mile cost due to greater pax capacity. The GTF EJets would have a tough act to follow and face stiff competition...at least for ops into this tiny airport.

I wonder which airlines in the region are interested in the CSeries or the G2EJets    ?

Now, if only the CAAP and DOTC could achieve 1,300m by 2016...    ...!

[Edited 2013-05-19 17:15:05]
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RE: Philippine Aviation Thread 2013

Mon May 20, 2013 9:14 pm

The opening of Laguindingan Airport postponed for June 15, 2013 may face another delay.....

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-m6ajez6AOW0/UZkkAprmgnI/AAAAAAAAAqQ/oR_CJF9g850/s1600/ladpmarch2012.jpg
http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-m6ajez6AOW...R_CJF9g850/s1600/ladpmarch2012.jpg

http://newsinfo.inquirer.net/396831/...de-oro-airport-undergoes-dry-run-2

Quote:
"The DOTC announced recently that the opening of the Laguindingan Airport will be moved from end of this month to June 15 in light of a request from the airlines to be given more time to rearrange flight schedules.

Misamis Oriental Governor Oscar Moreno welcomed the DOTC announcement.

'I am happy that the DOTC took a step backward in order to take another look to address the concerns of the public,' he said."


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http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-yHf8EhPCSy...AqY/rQghVNdf5C4/s1600/65045465.jpg


Concerned parties claim the lack of navigational aids as the reason for the need to defer the opening anew. But wasn't the $13M loan funding for those approved a long time ago?       .....

http://philippineairspace.blogspot.c...llion-navaid-for-laguindingan.html
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RE: Philippine Aviation Thread 2013

Tue May 21, 2013 7:52 am

Why are PR quitting DEL?
 
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RE: Philippine Aviation Thread 2013

Tue May 21, 2013 4:18 pm

Quoting 777way (Reply 60):
Why are PR quitting DEL?

Poor sales was given as the reason.....

http://philippineairspace.blogspot.com.au/2013/05/pal-quits-delhi.html

Quote:
"Philippine Airlines announced that it will be cancelling flights to Delhi from June 17, 2013 due to poor sales. Passengers affected after that date will be accommodated by airline partners. Flights to Bangkok remain unchanged. Services to Delhi has seen flight downgrades from Airbus 330 to Airbus 320 until the airline finally pulled the plug to the Indian Capital."
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RE: Philippine Aviation Thread 2013

Mon May 27, 2013 9:27 pm

Quoting Devilfish (Reply 28):
That strongly argues for the third option which brings the most immediate and tangible results for the least outlay. They could maximize the operations at NAIA while not adding to airspace congestion by having another busy one so close by ...there would be an adequate diversion airport suitably located to handle emergencies or absorb overflow flights in case of downtime in the other.

This option also brings the benefits of a gateway nearer to the broader population base in central/western/northern Luzon ...at the same time keeping the premier airport for the national capital region and southern/eastern provinces ...in contrast to IATA's preference for a single Manila airport.

Option 1 leaves no wiggle room, Option 2 seems a tentative solution, and Option 3 is open ended.

Looks like the government is setting aside P3 billion for construction of a P6 billion budget terminal for Clark Airport next year. Is this a sign that the government is now leaning towards Option 2?

http://www.philippineflightnetwork.c...on-allocated-for-clark-budget.html

Has anyone seen any drawings of what a proposed budget terminal would look like? The government said that it wasn't part of the original plans...
 
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RE: Philippine Aviation Thread 2013

Tue May 28, 2013 8:45 am

Quoting dforce1 (Reply 62):

Looks like the government is setting aside P3 billion for construction of a P6 billion budget terminal for Clark Airport next year. Is this a sign that the government is now leaning towards Option 2?

I would hate to see anything more budget than the existing facilities. The recent upgrade of CRK has been a joke. Having said that, it probably would be a good idea to have a completely new terminal and start from scratch.

I know Philippines have limited resources, but why does it always have to be budget, discount and lowcost. Everything just always seem so mediocre. I would love to see something properly done, which the country could benefit from!
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RE: Philippine Aviation Thread 2013

Tue May 28, 2013 9:35 am

Seems like China Eastern is launching its first route to the Philippines in october, by launching a daily PVG-MNL service on A320.
Midnight arrival and departure, I guess this was the only slot they could get. Anyone who knows if these flights will be good for connections at PVG?

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RE: Philippine Aviation Thread 2013

Tue May 28, 2013 11:22 am

Quoting CityAirline (Reply 64):
Seems like China Eastern is launching its first route to the Philippines in october, by launching a daily PVG-MNL service on A320.

Actually, it's their second. The first route was PVG-CEB, which was launched a few years ago, and is currently operated on a seasonal basis.

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Anyway, since we're talking about Greater China, I think it would be fitting to announce that Z2 and 5J have announced reductions in their services to Taiwan. Z2 has suspended their KLO-TPE flights until further notice, while 5J has postponed the launch of CEB-TPE indefinitely due to the row between the Philippines and Taiwan.

http://www.interaksyon.com/business/...est-air-suspends-flights-to-taiwan

http://www.interaksyon.com/business/...suspends-maiden-cebu-taipei-flight

Meanwhile, in other news, PR has announced that it is upping its no-show fee for domestic flights to P1500, and it is reducing domestic baggage allowances systemwide (PR and 2P) from 15 kilograms to 10. It is also increasing excess baggage fees on domestic flights to P200/kilogram.

http://www.interaksyon.com/business/...-passengers-cuts-baggage-allowance

Also, it seems that not all is lost for HA, as it has received an extension of its authority to fly to the Philippines. While it is pulling out on July 31, its authority has been extended to 2015, and they will consider resuming service to MNL should market conditions allow it to be more profitable.

http://www.interaksyon.com/business/...s-permit-to-fly-to-the-philippines
 
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RE: Philippine Aviation Thread 2013

Tue May 28, 2013 2:49 pm

Akiestar, I was thinking about PVG-CEB too, but that route is charter right, not a regular service.

[Edited 2013-05-28 07:50:59]
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RE: Philippine Aviation Thread 2013

Wed May 29, 2013 1:28 pm

Quoting CityAirline (Reply 66):
Akiestar, I was thinking about PVG-CEB too, but that route is charter right, not a regular service.

I was under the impression that it was a scheduled service, not a charter.
 
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RE: Philippine Aviation Thread 2013

Thu May 30, 2013 2:40 am

Not really aviation related, but I thought some of you would be interested anyway. The Philippine economy has grown fast during last three years, but as the Q1 2013 growth was released today, the economy grew by an amazing 7.8 %! This is even faster than China (7,7%), India, Indonesia and all ASEAN economies.
http://www.abs-cbnnews.com/
Lets all hope this growth shows sustainable and reflected in the country's aviation business.

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RE: Philippine Aviation Thread 2013

Fri May 31, 2013 4:04 pm

I was reading the FlightGlobal news headlines and there were a couple that got my attention. Unfortunately, I don't have a subscription so cannot enjoy access to the full article. I was hoping that maybe some people here could help fill in the blanks...

HEADLINE 1:

"Philippine carrier PAL Express plans to launch four new domestic services in June. It will start a four times weekly Iloilo-Puerto Princesa service on 1 June. This will be followed by thrice weekly Iloilo-General Santos, Cebu-Busuanga and ..."

What would the fourth new route be?

HEADLINE 2:

"Philippine Airlines (PAL) plans to configure its incoming fleet of Airbus A321 and A330-300 aircraft in four classes to cater to a larger range of passengers. The A321s will be configured with 202 seats, including 12 business, 36 premium economy and ..."

The official headline says that PAL will be introducing four classes of service. But here, I only see Business and Premium Economy. It's fairly obvious they will be maintaining an economy section which leaves one question unanswered - are they going to introduce a first class? If anyone has any information about the configurations of both aircraft, would appreciate any extra info.

Can't find anything anywhere else on the web. No clue how Flight Global gets this info!
 
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RE: Philippine Aviation Thread 2013

Fri May 31, 2013 4:33 pm

Quoting dforce1 (Reply 69):
What would the fourth new route be?

Not necessarily new: 2P is restarting USU-PPS (Busuanga-Puerto Princesa), which was discontinued just last year.

I am curious though: 2P is taking over ILO-GES, which was a PR route. Perhaps the economics did not justify PR metal being used on this route?

Quoting dforce1 (Reply 69):
It's fairly obvious they will be maintaining an economy section which leaves one question unanswered - are they going to introduce a first class? If anyone has any information about the configurations of both aircraft, would appreciate any extra info.

The configurations haven't been made public yet, as far as I know. At the same time, PR has no immediate plans of reintroducing First Class after getting rid of it in 2008. If I had to guess, it could be the reintroduction of Econolight (ultra-basic economy class, complete with LCC-like service), but I am not sure.
 
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RE: Philippine Aviation Thread 2013

Fri May 31, 2013 6:45 pm

I need some help...

According to wikipedia Fil-Asian Airways http://www.filasianair.com started operations on March 27th 2013 between Zamboanga and Cebu... Is it true? Which a/c is used, NAMC YS11?

Also any news about ASTRO AIR - https://www.facebook.com/AstroAir ?!
 
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Fri May 31, 2013 8:07 pm

Quoting debonair (Reply 71):
According to wikipedia Fil-Asian Airways http://www.filasianair.com started operations on March 27th 2013 between Zamboanga and Cebu... Is it true? Which a/c is used, NAMC YS11?

Also any news about ASTRO AIR - https://www.facebook.com/AstroAir ?!

I am following both of these closely myself. From what I understand, Astro Air has been operating weekly charter flights between Kalibo and Taipei but has yet to begin scheduled service. I can't seem to get in touch with anyone from there but will keep trying.

This is the most recent information I have:
http://www.philippineflightnetwork.c...international-ready-to-launch.html

In regards to Fil-Asian Airways, they have not started operations. I got a message from their e-commerce officer via their Facebook page (which gets updated) and he said they are TRYING to launch this June. He is going to send me more information on Monday about their plans and I will write up an article. Not quite sure why there are delays. And yes, they will be using the NAMC YS11! Looking forward to flying in that! Anyway, will let you know more once I hear it .

Here is their Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/FilAsianAir
 
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RE: Philippine Aviation Thread 2013

Sat Jun 01, 2013 12:59 am

Quoting dforce1 (Reply 72):
Quoting debonair (Reply 71):
According to wikipedia Fil-Asian Airways http://www.filasianair.com started operations on March 27th 2013 between Zamboanga and Cebu... Is it true? Which a/c is used, NAMC YS11?

Also any news about ASTRO AIR - https://www.facebook.com/AstroAir ?!

I am following both of these closely myself. From what I understand, Astro Air has been operating weekly charter flights between Kalibo and Taipei but has yet to begin scheduled service. I can't seem to get in touch with anyone from there but will keep trying.

This is the most recent information I have:
http://www.philippineflightnetwork.c....html

One of the ex Manila Airlines MD83s is rotting away at CRK. It will not fly again in this state. I think Astro Air is not intending to put that one back to service.
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RE: Philippine Aviation Thread 2013

Sat Jun 01, 2013 9:18 pm

Quoting Confuscius (Reply 3):
Speaking of airports, it seems like construction has stopped on SLIA (Bicol International).

If you were referring to this, the delay appears to have been worked out now.....

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http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-quFcTr7Mcn...of+Bicol+International+Airport.jpg

http://philippineairspace.blogspot.c...ecures-bicol-airport-contract.html

Quote:
"The Sunwest Construction Development Corporation (SCDC) has been cleared by the Regional Trial Court of Mandaluyung City to begin construction of the 1.2 billion pesos Daraga Airport Project phase 1 after the court confirmed the awards by DOTC of the contract to the company.

The 1.2 billion contract includes airside development covering the runway strip construction, concrete paving of runway, construction of taxiway, rigid pavement, and other peripheral works.

Legal challenges has been thrown by losing bidders, BSP & Co Inc and 4B Construction Corp.on the capacity of the company to undertake the bid. Judge Maria A. Cancino-Erum of RTC Branch 211 dismissed both companies' petition for lack of jurisdiction."


Seems the "right considerations" have been made.   

Quoting dforce1 (Reply 62):
Looks like the government is setting aside P3 billion for construction of a P6 billion budget terminal for Clark Airport next year. Is this a sign that the government is now leaning towards Option 2?

It appears more like Option 3.....

http://clarkaviationconference.com/w...-Conference-Solis-Feb-18-Final.pdf

[quote=dforce1,reply=62]Has anyone seen any drawings of what a proposed budget terminal would look like? The government said that it wasn't part of the original plans...

Those could be the images in the above link...not too sure though.


Quoting dforce1 (Reply 72):
And yes, they will be using the NAMC YS11! Looking forward to flying in that!

No c/n number to determine provenance, but definitely a beautiful plane    .....

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RE: Philippine Aviation Thread 2013

Sun Jun 02, 2013 1:02 am

I'm not sure how often we follow airport improvements here on A.net, but I figure we should see some of them, particularly since this is where our tax money goes! 

(I am still a skeptic of this administration, but I'm glad they're doing something right.)

Calbayog Airport (CYP)

http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showpost.php?p=100310826&postcount=145

Catarman National Airport (CRM)

http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showpost.php?p=88716537&postcount=37

http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showpost.php?p=102834280&postcount=746

http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showpost.php?p=102834368&postcount=747

Roxas Airport (RXS)

http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showpost.php?p=102121363&postcount=292
 
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RE: Philippine Aviation Thread 2013

Sun Jun 02, 2013 4:35 am

[quote=Devilfish,reply=74]No c/n number to determine provenance, but definitely a beautiful plane .....

Any chance this is the Aero Majestic YS-11 that was flying out of Zambo last year? I have not heard anything about them recently.
 
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RE: Philippine Aviation Thread 2013

Thu Jun 06, 2013 8:15 pm

The schedules for PAL's new Saudi routes have been released:

Manila – Dammam 3 weekly
PR682 MNL1630 – 2100DMM 333 135
PR683 DMM2230 – 1240+1MNL 333 135

Manila – Jeddah 4 weekly
PR680 MNL1445 – 2105JED 333 x246
PR681 JED2235 – 1405+1MNL 333 x246

Manila – Riyadh 6 weekly
PR654 MNL1400 – 1930RUH 333 x6
PR655 RUH2100 – 1145+1MNL 333 x6

Airline route update claims that these A333s will be all-economy configured, do you guys know anything about this?
If true, I'd say it's a smart move by PAL to be very Y-heavy on these routes, although wouldn't it be better with atleast a small J-cabin with maybe 12 or 18 seats.

AUH was already released a while ago:

PR656 MNL1625 – 2145AUH 343 D
PR657 AUH2315 – 1225+1MNL 343 D

Now only DOH and DXB remain.

/Alex

[Edited 2013-06-06 13:18:31]
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RE: Philippine Aviation Thread 2013

Fri Jun 07, 2013 2:08 am

if these supposedly A333s are going to be all economy, meaning it will be flown by PALexpress, contrary to the billboards on Philippine Airline properties at the airport parameters, all these are going to be flown by PAL and only DXB was assigned to PALexpress, so which goes to what and where?

Considering PALexpress will be getting 8 brand new A333s then I wander where these machine will be flown aside from DXB if almost all mideast destinations have been assigned to its mother company.... Any thoughts? insiders perhaps?
 
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RE: Philippine Aviation Thread 2013

Fri Jun 07, 2013 4:25 am

Any thoughts on this? Oman air and Jet airways (india) have been denied traffic rights to MNL.

http://www.emirates247.com/news/emir...by-philippines-2013-06-04-1.509078

from the article:
The Philippines has denied the applications of Oman Air and India’s Jet Airways to fly to Manila, owing to the limited capacity of the Ninoy Aquino International Airport (NAIA).

“We are denying foreign airlines, such as Oman and Jet Airways…” an unnamed source at the Civil Aeronautics Board (CAB) was quoted as saying by ‘The Philippine Star’ on Tuesday. “It is not that the market is becoming less vibrant. It is due to the infrastructure.”

Oman Air and Jet Airways had filed separate applications with the CAB for the issuance of Foreign Air Carrier’s Permit (FACP), in order that they could operate international scheduled air transportation services to and from the Philippines.
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Quoting Devilfish (Reply 61):
Quoting 777way (Reply 60):
Why are PR quitting DEL?

Poor sales was given as the reason.....

http://philippineairspace.blogspot.com.au/2013/05/pal-quits-delhi.html
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So the only direct link between India and Phil is gone ....again. but DEL was always a bad choice. BOM would have been better choice but just my 2 cents....

Am pretty sure jet airways with its good on board product would have a better run if they are given the route but i guess they wanted to serve from BOM instead of DEL.
 
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RE: Philippine Aviation Thread 2013

Fri Jun 07, 2013 4:36 am

Quoting [email protected] (Reply 79):
Any thoughts on this? Oman air and Jet airways (india) have been denied traffic rights to MNL.

http://www.emirates247.com/news/emir...09078

They were not denied traffic rights per se: they were denied slots. 9W and WY are still free to fly to any point in the Philippines except to MNL, but the CAB ruled that out.

http://businessmirror.com.ph/index.p...gestion-costs-naia-2-big-air-deals
 
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RE: Philippine Aviation Thread 2013

Fri Jun 07, 2013 4:55 am

Quoting Akiestar (Reply 80):
They were not denied traffic rights per se: they were denied slots. 9W and WY are still free to fly to any point in the Philippines except to MNL, but the CAB ruled that out.

http://businessmirror.com.ph/index.p...deals

All the more reason why CRK should be developed as the gateway...and high speed connectivity between CRK and MNL.

I flew out from Phil a week back. Started from Clark in my car on a saturday at 1400 hrs for the 1825 EK departing from MNL. Managed to step into NAIA at 1735 hrs.   

Am waiting for the day EK starts DXB-CRK but i guess the time spent on the road from MNL-CRK i will just spend in the immigration queue in DMIA....well something has to happen. I hope DMIA authorities are geared up for a 440 seater aircraft...currently it is a harrowing time when 2 A320s come in at the same time.  

My friends have a tough time when i explain to them the 40 to 45 mins it takes to get airborne from pushback on an emirates flt when RWY 24 is in use. that kind of underscores how congested MNL is.
 
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RE: Philippine Aviation Thread 2013

Fri Jun 07, 2013 6:37 am

Quoting debonair (Reply 71):
According to wikipedia Fil-Asian Airways http://www.filasianair.com started operations on March 27th 2013 between Zamboanga and Cebu... Is it true? Which a/c is used, NAMC YS11?

Fil-Asian Airways is the former Mid-Sea Express. I wonder what happened to their other planes?

Quoting dforce1 (Reply 72):
Not quite sure why there are delays.

I was reading through SkyscraperCity and the cause may be with the aircraft itself. Since the Piper Seneca crash back in 2012 that killed Jesse Robredo, the CAAP has ordered that all aircraft have to be re-certified as airworthy by a reputable MRO licensed to certify that aircraft (this is called the "Robredo Rule"). Since there are no MROs in the Philippines for the YS-11, and I don't know if they have tried looking abroad, the plane is effectively grounded.

http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showpost.php?p=102597879&postcount=3423
 
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RE: Philippine Aviation Thread 2013

Fri Jun 07, 2013 6:45 am

Anyway, since I think the memo missed people here. 

http://business.inquirer.net/125323/...ifting-restrictions-on-ph-airlines
 
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RE: Philippine Aviation Thread 2013

Fri Jun 07, 2013 3:31 pm

Quoting airlinebuilder (Reply 78):
if these supposedly A333s are going to be all economy, meaning it will be flown by PALexpress, contrary to the billboards on Philippine Airline properties at the airport parameters, all these are going to be flown by PAL and only DXB was assigned to PALexpress, so which goes to what and where?

If this is the case, I find it more reasonable. I always tohught sending PAL to Saudi and PALExpress to Dubai was very, very strange. I mean their routes to Saudi must be 99% OFW, while their route to DXB would (surely be atleast 95% OFW aswell) atleast see some business.
Although competition is higher on DXB-MNL...

Well it'll be interesting to see which routes get what...
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RE: Philippine Aviation Thread 2013

Fri Jun 07, 2013 5:14 pm

Quoting Akiestar (Reply 83):
Anyway, since I think the memo missed people here.

Saw it earlier, however...given how previous announcements misfired, decided to give it a bye.

But if true, this is one really big bombshell...  ...

http://i395.photobucket.com/albums/pp39/istilomodelo/SANMIGUELCORPORATION.jpg
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Lucio Tan sells PAL

                          

Quote:
"In a deal valued at one billion us dollars, Lucio Tan has sold his remaining 51% equity stake of PAL Holdings to the Philippines largest conglomerate San Miguel Corporation.

The deal includes the sale of Air Philippines which carries the brand of PAL Express.

Last year, San Miguel paid US$ 500 million to Tan for a 49-percent stake in PAL Holdings in April 2012 for management control of both Philippine Airlines and Low Cost Carrier Air Philippines.

The airline has since embarked on an aggressive expansion to its route network riding on the massive equity infusion by its stockholders as it launched US$ 7 billion refleeting program comprising 54 wide and narrow bodied aircraft from Airbus."


http://philippineairspace.blogspot.c...u/2013/06/lucio-tan-sells-pal.html


There were rumblings in the local business media about it...but nothing definite was published. Perhaps El Capitan was sore his brew was not sold on PR flights?         

It's a wonder for how long SMC would keep PR given RSA's comment that it's a business and there's no room for sentimentality (though I think it was about SMC's beer operation)?   



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RE: Philippine Aviation Thread 2013

Fri Jun 07, 2013 6:32 pm

Just heard from a person involved in the EU/EASA audit that CAAP has passed the audit and the inspection team will recommend to lift the blacklisting.  
Apparrently the results are even better than when ICAO made its audit earlier ...
Sounds promising   

Among the philippine carriers only Zest Air seems to give inspectors some headaches ...

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RE: Philippine Aviation Thread 2013

Sat Jun 08, 2013 3:43 am

So, from how I gather this, SMC paid $1.5 Billion in total for PAL ($500M for the initial 49% and $1B for the remaining 51%)? Is this airline really worth that much money? I don't get it...
 
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RE: Philippine Aviation Thread 2013

Sat Jun 08, 2013 4:40 pm

Quoting [email protected] (Reply 81):
All the more reason why CRK should be developed as the gateway...and high speed connectivity between CRK and MNL.

Undeveloped aerial view of Clark.....

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http://i307.photobucket.com/albums/n...0/ferrarilover08/dmia_from_air.jpg

Development proposals were supposed to be submitted last February but no new plans have been seen (publicly, that is) so far. The following images are generic plans from many years ago.....

http://www.clarkab.org/maps/mainzone.jpg
http://www.clarkab.org/maps/mainzone.jpg

http://www.clarkab.org/maps/DMIA_master_plan.jpg
http://www.clarkab.org/maps/DMIA_master_plan.jpg

http://s77.photobucket.com/user/ryucloud/media/DMIA.jpg.html

http://s77.photobucket.com/user/ryucloud/media/DMIA-2.jpg.html

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http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5087/5286150734_aa38620397.jpg


Sadly, purported CRK terminal renderings appearing on the web are of something else...composed largely of enthusiasts' daydreams for this gateway. It may be a while yet before actual final designs can be available (which will still have to grind through an exasperating approval and funding process).


Quoting MHG (Reply 86):
Among the philippine carriers only Zest Air seems to give inspectors some headaches...

After the "unholy" alliance, can the CAAP expect differently? Now that Z2 is practically on its own and no longer has the MA-60s, I wonder if Mr. Y would acquire a few of these to continue flying into MPH.....

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.....perhaps with some feed from his "partners"? His Zest Air livery will look great on the Q200 for this leisure destination    .

The way things are looking now, it will be some years yet (if ever) before jets can operate into and out of MPH.....

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Quoting crownvic (Reply 87):
So, from how I gather this, SMC paid $1.5 Billion in total for PAL ($500M for the initial 49% and $1B for the remaining 51%)? Is this airline really worth that much money?

From this Inquirer report, it seems SMC just forwarded the original $500M and paid an additional $500M.....

http://business.inquirer.net/125921/lucio-tan-sells-rest-of-pal-to-smc

Quote:
According to a source from the Lucio Tan camp, the transaction involves the acquisition by San Miguel of 51 percent of the airline currently owned by the tobacco and beer magnate.

The deal is valued at $500 million and, once executed, would give San Miguel president Ramon Ang complete control over the board of the country’s largest airline.

In April 2012, San Miguel also paid $500 million for a 49-percent stake in PAL Holdings Inc., which controls the airline. Under that transaction, the conglomerate infused $500 million in equity into PAL and was also handed management control over it.



Considering the flight entitlements alloted to PAL in the various bilaterals and the large SMC investments in infrastructure connected to aviation, the conglomerate clearly sees it as a vital element in their business strategy.

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RE: Philippine Aviation Thread 2013

Sun Jun 09, 2013 1:08 am

Quoting Devilfish (Reply 88):
Development proposals were supposed to be submitted last February but no new plans have been seen (publicly, that is) so far. The following images are generic plans from many years ago.....

Actually, the plans seemed to have changed. Instead of a layout similar to KUL or HKG, CRK is now pursuing a plan similar to SIN.

http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showpost.php?p=103570980&postcount=9329

Quoting Devilfish (Reply 88):
I wonder if Mr. Y would acquire a few of these to continue flying into MPH.....

I doubt it, now that AK controls Z2.

Quoting Devilfish (Reply 88):
The way things are looking now, it will be some years yet (if ever) before jets can operate into and out of MPH.....

Well, SkyJet has long-term plans of flying their BAe 146 to MPH, so let's see how that goes. They're starting service to SUG this August, and they're already flying to BSO, VRC and USU.
 
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RE: Philippine Aviation Thread 2013

Sun Jun 09, 2013 12:58 pm

Quoting Akiestar (Reply 89):
Actually, the plans seemed to have changed. Instead of a layout similar to KUL or HKG, CRK is now pursuing a plan similar to SIN.

Thank you very much for the link.....

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The layout looks more efficient now and will allow phased construction...it actually resembles LAX with its sideways 'U' configuration. However, it doesn't show a fast rail connection like in the old concept...are they doing away with it? Also, there doesn't seem to be POV parking in the immediate vicinity of the terminals. It will be quite inconvenient for travelers to haul their luggage and boxes onto shuttles or an AGT to the GTC. I guess they're limiting curbside access for security and to reduce traffic...but what would they accomodate for spotters?   

There will be much demolition and siteworks as a lot of old existing structures need to be torn down, and existing underground utilities dug up, replaced or redesigned and rerouted. Mt. Pinatubo had already done some of the demolition...I wonder what risk factor they are assigning to it.

Quoting Akiestar (Reply 89):

Well, SkyJet has long-term plans of flying their BAe 146 to MPH, so let's see how that goes.

Long-term is apt...as I don't see them making much headway under the current conditions at MPH. Besides, it's unlikely they'd be allowed to use jets there ahead of the airport operator.

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IMHO, they'd be better off acquiring ATRs than operating with the restrictions linked in #40. It should be fairly easy finding used 42-500s in good condition to lease or buy relatively cheap. Its derated PW127Es would be a plus for the short field profile rather than the four thirsty hairdryers on the 'jumbolilit' carrying just 60 passengers.   
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RE: Philippine Aviation Thread 2013

Sun Jun 09, 2013 5:16 pm

Quoting Devilfish (Reply 90):
it doesn't show a fast rail connection like in the old concept...are they doing away with it?

Not at all. The HSR link between Manila and CRK pops up quite often in the news. The latest word we have on it is that the JICA got someone to make a study.

http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showpost.php?p=104046144&postcount=9429

Quoting Devilfish (Reply 90):
rather than the four thirsty hairdryers on the 'jumbolilit' carrying just 60 passengers.


Their 146 seats 94 passengers.

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RE: Philippine Aviation Thread 2013

Sun Jun 09, 2013 6:51 pm

Quoting Akiestar (Reply 91):
The latest word we have on it is that the JICA got someone to make a study.

Thanks again for that. From the link.....

Quote:
"The JV will also conduct a feasibility study, including the basic design parameters and a preliminary cost estimate. The preliminary feasibility study prepared by JICA last year envisioned a standard gauge line on an elevated alignment"

An analysis of alternatives between a fully elevated carriageway on piers vs tracks on built-up fill above maximum historical flood levels at selected segments along the PNR's right-of-way should show the safest, most economical way to achieve this vital connection to MNL.

Quoting Akiestar (Reply 91):
Their 146 seats 94 passengers.

I don't know if the CAAP would backpedal on their predecessor's conditions that only 83-seat Series-100s limited to 60 pax could be deployed there. It's the sort of brinksmanship that got the country into Cat II in the first place. Of course, even Avro RJ 100s will likely be allowed once the hill is cropped and the runway is long enough to accept EMB175s, CS100s and the smaller A & B narrowbodies. However, they might be looking outer medium term for that, at best.
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RE: Philippine Aviation Thread 2013

Mon Jun 10, 2013 6:34 am

Quoting Devilfish (Reply 88):

Undeveloped aerial view of Clark.....
Quoting Akiestar (Reply 91):

Not at all. The HSR link between Manila and CRK pops up quite often in the news. The latest word we have on it is that the JICA got someone to make a study.

http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showpo...=9429

Thanks for the links   

I can see that plans have been aloft since 2005 and now nearly 8 years hence .... nothing has translated to reality   in the meanwhile how much is the increase in pax that NAIA has catered to in the past 8 years? Am pretty sure on the airside things are already stretched to their limits. Now even if we are optimistic that in the next 5 years CRK will be developed    will it not be too little too late?
 
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RE: Philippine Aviation Thread 2013

Mon Jun 10, 2013 9:10 am

With regards to the newly planned Saudi Arabia services by PAL using an all Y class configured A333, can someone please reveal how many Y class seats this aircraft type shall have on board?

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RE: Philippine Aviation Thread 2013

Mon Jun 10, 2013 10:25 am

Quoting behramjee (Reply 94):
can someone please reveal how many Y class seats this aircraft type shall have on board?

PAL hasn't released the seat plan yet. But if this will be an all-economy A333, 2P might be operating this, not PR.

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Anyway, some news: PR is starting twice-weekly MNL-MWX on July 25!

http://www.philippineairlines.com/fl...mnlmwx_mwxmnl_timetable.jsp?to=MWX
 
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RE: Philippine Aviation Thread 2013

Mon Jun 10, 2013 3:58 pm

Finally some sense denying 9W and WY slots as the situation just gets worse by the day.

CRK airport is off the menu for me whatever development there will be... I won't post it publicly so PM me if you want a very bizarre story.

This PQ/Z2 tie-up is interesting... Haven't followed the news when travelling. But MNL T4 has very properly coloured red passport control desks ready.  

That YS11 I will fly asap if it becomes real, kicked myself for not doing it with Interisland before. Has SEAIR I really gotten an ATR42 for ITI? That's what the inflight mag said. I thought they only had DO228s?
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RE: Philippine Aviation Thread 2013

Mon Jun 10, 2013 6:12 pm

Quoting Lufthansa747 (Reply 96):
Has SEAIR I really gotten an ATR42 for ITI? That's what the inflight mag said. I thought they only had DO228s?

RP-C4201. I flew it 2 weeks ago myself. In basic Azerbaijan Airlines colours.
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RE: Philippine Aviation Thread 2013

Mon Jun 10, 2013 7:48 pm

Quoting Akiestar (Reply 95):
Anyway, some news: PR is starting twice-weekly MNL-MWX on July 25!

Interesting, this will be the first destination in Korea outside Seoul and Busan.
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RE: Philippine Aviation Thread 2013

Tue Jun 11, 2013 1:49 pm

hey, everyone try booking online on PAL, their Middle East is already available on line and the seat plan are all economy A333s.

Ethiopian will be flying to Manila 3x a week via Hong Kong starting July 3. fyi

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